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LF: Re: Re: NOV UPDATE

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Subject: LF: Re: Re: NOV UPDATE
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:47:14 -0000
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James,



That's a interesting, report on your 'actual' findings , I run a inverted 'L' here as well, but alas not the 40 meter top , a little more like 40 feet ! , but the top is a two wire capacity section spaced some 4 feet apart (no reason, that's how long the two conduit off cuts where) . From what I could gather, I think I have managed round 75 mW with 25 watts feed to the atu at the base of the ae , this is based on comparisons with other stations, range reports and the erp calculators.



In a linear situation I doubt I could reach the power level required to attain 1 watt erp with such a short system, without replicating a small marine installation and even then it would be non-linear. A UK warship would only run 200/300 watts on MF !



Optimised modelling of the system always dictates a much larger capacity section. In this situation increased wattage to the antenna looks to be the only way to enhance the signal, but from experience I doubt it will defeat the skip distance



I'm quite amused at concept of running wattage levels well in to three figures to what amounts to a self confessed high gain system , 400 watts is a quoted as the carrier level feeding the local MW multi channel transmitter ! , perhaps half a gallon (us) is stretching the plunger a tad more than really necessary ?



G ..





----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE


Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,

G3KEV wrote:
As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
need 200w.

This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:

P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)

The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency would
give 1.8W ERP.

The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
generate 1w erp.

For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA efficiency
would be more realistic.

A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
lucky
at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
metres
high with a very long horizontal part.
The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
hedges,
other antenna wires in the vicinity.

The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at my
home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and reduced
radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening, so
would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would probably
only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!

Your 1w erp might effectively be
reduced to  micro watts.
Check the near and far fields.

I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
and gained 2 db.
The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
is
different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.

The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna from its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna web pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna current:

P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2

This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the radiation resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much better
estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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