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Re: LF: A question of calibration

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Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration
From: "Dave Brown" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:31:07 +1200
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It's instructive to look at plots of the variation of wave impedance with distance from the source. These plots (acknowledgements to John Middleton and Marconi Insts, "Engineers EMC Workbook")

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tractorb/zfreespace.jpg

are for 47.7 MHz to scale the distance for lambda/2.pi to 1 metre, but the principle remains the same for any frequency. The selection of lambda/2.pi for the transition between near and far field regions makes much more sense when you see it plotted this way. Note the impedance scale is on the extreme right.

DaveB, NZ


----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration


Yes, it would be "certainly true" that 10 times the recognised
distance is in the far field. It certainly provides a huge safety
margin!

Most texts use 2.pi, although I did once see 4.pi quoted.

Andy  G4JNT


On 28/09/2007, Malcolm Harman <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Andy.

Interesting, have a look at
http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/radiation_theory.htm where via the 500kHz section (so presumably meant for electrically small antennas) it says "It is generally well known that the far-field is predominantly a radiation field; this is certainly true when the distance is greater then 10 x lambda/2pi." So there seems to be a factor of 10 difference from your
equation.

So using the RSGB paper, far field equates to 955 metres. Since the CCIR curves for LF/MF propagation give 3mV/m at 1km for 100mW erp and is within the distance ground conductivity has much effect, that's where I have been
measuring.

73 Malcolm
(G3NZP)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration


> There appear to be two meanings to the term "far field" when > applied > to antennas. One is usually reserved for electrically LARGE > antennas > and is the point where the wavefront can be considered to be > planar.
> This distance is usually taken to be
> 2.D^2/lambda, where D = largest antenna dimension and lambda = > wavelength.
>
> For electrically small antennas, the "far field" is beyond where > the > magnetic and electric components (which roll off faster than the > 1 / > R^2 of the radiation field) can be considered to be > insignificant.
> This value is usually taken as being
> lambda / (2.pi)
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
> FOr LF field strength measurement
>
> On 28/09/2007, Malcolm Harman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> John.
>>
>> Fascinating stuff and all your are papers duly saved. I sort of >> knew
>> PA0SE
>> must be right and while E/H = 377 ohms between the Helmholtz >> coils, we
>> have
>> to go to the far field of an antenna before a "plane" wave is
>> sufficiently
>> well formed and once again E/H = 377 ohms. Thanks for the >> clarification.
>>
>> 73 Malcolm.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Andrews" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration
>>
>>
>> > Malcolm,
>> >
>> >> Hi. Can anyone reassure me.
>> >
>> > Be reassured. Your meter is measuring the magnetic field, and >> > the >> > calibration setup is primarily generating a magnetic field. >> > The cal is >> > being done under near-field conditions to permit the use of >> > low power
>> > and
>> > take advantage of knowing the mag field accurately based on >> > geometry
>> > and
>> > current measurement. The scale conversion to electric field >> > remains
>> > valid
>> > as long as you agree to take your real measurements under >> > far-field
>> > conditions.
>> >
>> > A further discussion of calibration techniques including a >> > simpler
>> > arrangement than Helmholtz coils may be found at:
>> > http://www.w1tag.com/LF_FSM.htm
>> >
>> > John Andrews, W1TAG
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>






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