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Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:46 +0100
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Not so sure about the balanced pre-amp, it doesn't makes double balance, only one stage should be centered,
when the aerial is balanced - the connection to once side is just as good as balanced connection, the only
improvement you can add is better linearity. The only result of a balanced amplifier is that it is more
difficult to make, but probably isn't so balanced after all.
 
As long as the background noise without pre-amplifier is 10-20dB above the background band noise
it is totally vaste to use a pre-amplifier, it may only worsening the result.
 
73
LA8AK

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Fra: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX [mailto:[email protected]]
Sendt: 19. desember 2002 02:40
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Emne: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas

The first 136 kHz US receptions of G3AQC and MØBMU made nearly two years ago were made with my 160 meter dipole.   The dipole is supported with a 1 meter side arm from the 95 foot level of a 100 foot, insulated guy wire tower.  The home brew open wire feed line was fed as a single wire with a series pot core inductor to bring the antenna to resonance.  Later test were made comparing the TA signals received with this antenna to a 3.3 square resonant loop.  This loop was matched with a single turn pick up loop.  The two antennas were comparable for 136 kHz reception most of the time.

Last year I constructed a new receive loop, octagon in shape, twenty turns, a little over 3.3 meters diameter.  This loop is center tapped and feeds a balanced preamp.  Every comparison I made showed this balanced fed loop to outperform either the old loop or the T vertical wire.  I'm a firm believer in the balanced loop design.

W4DEX
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[email protected] wrote:

Hi John and LF group,
 
Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation
appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather
than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that
situation?

John Andrews, W1TAG

A big vertical does help a lot against local noise-sources (neighbours' TVs and SMPSs), but with anything originating further away than a couple of 100m, it makes absolutely no difference.

However the directivity provided by a magnetic receive loop can be valuable. If all of the noise was coming in isotropically from the horizon, the figure-eight pattern would theoretically have 3dB better SNR than a vertical, and a cardioid combination would gain 4.8dB. In practice, of course one can often null out a source of QRM or a thunderstorm front and have far greater improvement.

The only problem I am having with small loops is that they seem to be much more prone to local pickup than the E-field antenna - at least in my suburban area which has underground mains wiring. The 86cm-diameter pair in the garden is often swamped by notorious 100Hz-modulated carriers which at the same time I can hardly see on the marconi.

73 de
Markus, DF6NM

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