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Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

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Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
From: Laurence KL7 L <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:34:27 +0000
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Thread-topic: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

I agree with Alan, Tag and Jay  -  I looked at my log and thru paper work and nothing there says otherwise - well done Paul and Chris


It was great to see LDO CT1DRP AGC DF6NM etc on the screen from KL7 on 137 and from other places around the globe way back when,


This is part of my transmission log from XDW back in 2005 when in Oklahoma and prior to BY3A ops in Shanghai


http://kl7l.com/xdw2.doc


Laurence KL7L  KL1X  KL7UK  WE2XPQ GM4DMA/KL7 AL1V WD2XDW etc!




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO
 
Alan, Paul, Markus and LF enthusiasts
 
A bit of history from this side of the pond ... to the best of my recollection. 
 
Beginning in 2003, 137 kHz Part 5 licences were issued to individual stations ... WD2XDW (KL7L), WD2XGJ (K2ORS), WD2XES (W1TAG), WD2XNS (W1VD), WD2XKO (W4DEX), etc. Some of these applications included specific wording (thanks to Warren's iniative) that contacts could be made with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stations.
 
In 2007 Warren applied for a 500 kHz Part 5 license that included himself, Bill Ashlock, W1TAG and W1VD under the WE2XGR/x callsign. Again the application included specific wording about contacts with other Part 5 and licensed amateur stations. Other stations were later added to this license.
 
Even though some on the U.S. side had the ability to contact foreign licensed amateurs there was concern on the EU side whether their licenses allowed such contacts. Based on grabber spectrograms from both sides of the pond, signal levels were certainly strong enough to allow QRSS or other digital mode QSO's on many nights between many of the band's participants. To the best of my knowledge, and John W1TAG's, there never was a two way 137 kHz QSO between the US and EU. Yes there were EU / VE contacts. Yes there were EU / US crossband contacts.
 
I would agree with Alan and Markus, that unless there is evdence to the contrary, that Paul and Chris can claim first US < > EU QSO on 137 kHz. Congratulations Paul and Chris!
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
 
 
p.s. As a side note ... on 500 kHz there were contacts between WE2XGR/2 (W1VD), WE2XGR/6 (W2ZM)  and GI4DPE and others.   
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia <[email protected]>
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Sent: 3/31/2018 1:06:49 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Paul and Markus, I was triggered to do a little searching today. (BTW I did NOT say there HAD been US<>EU 2-way QSOs with Warren K2ORS's Part 5 licencees, I just indicated I thought it unlikely there had not)
 
I have to say that I cannot find any evidence so far, despite WD2XES John's station logs showing him copied extensively in EU over many years, there is no 2-way QSO. I know the change to digital modes on a local BC station made reception almost impossible for him. By the time these Part 5 licences were issued many of the UK late-night LF addicts (G3YXM, G0MRF, G3LDO, and G3AQC to mention a few) had left the band, and a QSO at QRSS60 meant a sleepless night !. QRSS3 was possible on favourable nights but best times were often just about an hour before dawn in UK. Jay W1VD (who has better recetion to the East than John) being currently active does not indicate his knowledge of such an event.
 
That being the case I would be inclined to reinstate your claim Paul and Chris, against evidence to the contrary being put forward. Again Congratulations on your efforts. I remember being told that we would not get out of our back gardens on LF with a 1 watt ERP limit !! It is not easy but that is what makes the effort worthwhile.
 
Best Wishes
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

Hi Paul,

though I am aware that Canadian amateurs (VA3LK sk, VE1ZZ/VE1ZJ, VO1NA) have conducted successful 2-way QSO's with Europeans, I somehow don't remember having read about previous contacts involving U.S. stations. Could someone share information who did it, and when? 

73, Markus (DF6NM)

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Betreff: LF: CORRECTION regarding 2E0ILY-N1BUG QSO

It has been brought to my attention that there were two way contacts
between U.S. Part 5 stations and the UK (and perhaps other Europe)
some years back. I did not know that some Part 5 licenses were
authorized to make two way contacts with amateur radio stations.
Much of what happened during those days does not seem to be well
documented or widely known.

Therefore, with apologies to all concerned, I retract my statement
that this was the first USA to UK or USA to Europe 137 kHz QSO. It
was not my intent to take anything away from the accomplishments of
those who paved the way for amateur occupancy of these bands.

Unless someone comes forward with information to the contrary I
still believe it to be the first amateur to amateur USA to UK and
USA to Europe QSO. At the time of my original post I was thinking,
but failed to state, "amateur radio QSO".

In any case it was the most exciting QSO of my 37 years in amateur
radio and I sincerely thank Chris, 2E0ILY, for his considerable
effort and sacrifice which made it possible.

73,
Paul N1BUG

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