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Re: LF: EA5DOM going vertical

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Subject: Re: LF: EA5DOM going vertical
From: "Fausto Coletti" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:56:10 +0200
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Hi Luis,
 
have you an idea about the Q of this coil?
 
A 11m vertical without a capacitance hat need a coil of about 1.7 mH for resonate
at 472 KHz, so a reactance of about 5 Kohm.
If you divide the reactance with the Q you obtain the Rloss of the coil.
I do not think that a thin wire coil wound on a PVC support can have a Q much over 100 so,
you will have a Rloss of about 50 ohm that you must add to the ground loss.  
A 11 m vertical without capacitance hat has about 0.1 ohm of radiation resistance.
I do not know how much loss have your ground system but you said of one 11 m wire...
I am very optimistic saying another 50 ohm. So you will have 0.1 ohm of radiation resistance
with 100 ohm in series... a 0.1% efficiency...!! With 100W and considering a directivity of 1.8,
you will have an EIRP of 180 mW.
I would start to consider an air wound coil made with thicker wire or a Litz wire, with the turns spaced.
 
73, Fausto IK4NMF
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: LF: EA5DOM going vertical

Hi Stefan
 
This is a picture of the coil
25cm diameter pipe, 90 cm high
 
 
I can also fit this variometer on the top side of the pipe
 
 
The -3dB of my signals yesterday are probably due to QRN on the Rx. We had a big storm down in south EA
 
Another one is predicted for tomorrow just here and strong rain. No good for installing the coil
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM


De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de DK7FC
Enviado el: domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 23:20
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: Re: LF: EA5DOM going vertical

Hi Luis,

Am 18.10.2015 21:59, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
For the transformer I plan to recycle the one osed for the loop. It has two big toroids 80mm external diameter
and 8mm thick. Both joined make 16mm thick. Unfortunately don't know which is the material used
Hm, sounds not optimal, somehow :-) But just start with a 1:1 transformer and a 50 Ohm dummy load as a first test. If the transformer stays cold and the load (e.g. power consumption, or current meter reading of the power supply) is the same with or without the transformer, everything is fine.


Can be primary and secondary be wounded one on top of the other ??
Yes, this is recommended!

Tonight reports on my remote monitor are 3dB down. I made a modification
I have finally connected a wire from top terrace to the fire extinguish pipe which runs inside the building down
to the basements, were pumping system is located. The wire is not yet connected to the ground side of the vertical
BUT the actual radial counterpoise runs parallel to this wire for about 5m

Seems like this can be the cause of 3dB looses.
...but maybe the situation is different when matching the PA properly. In the moment you don't know at all what the feed point impedance is. ...and how the PA behaves at that impedance connected.
 Keep tuned !
RR. GL,

73, Stefan

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