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Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:33:27 +0200
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Hi Luis,

Am 30.09.2015 14:44, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
Hi Stefan, MF
 
I have been calculating the loop area with the help of Google Earth. Not a regular shape but counting on the known perimeter
and measures it can be estimated as 224 m2
 
I detect the RF current with this circuit from G4HUP but have not calibrated it
I don't use the meter and R3, VR1, VR2 and directly wire down the shack the output from rectifier diode and use an analog
voltmeter. The transformer is made in the same way with a ferrite clamp over loop wire and 10 turns as secondary
The 2x100R load was using 1/2w resistors and burned out when using the PA. So changed them to 2x5W resistors
On the volmeter I can get 60V dc when the antenna is tuned (minimum PA DC current). The 5W resistors still stand !
Minimum PA DC current? Not maximum? 60V DC at 50 Ohm across 2x 5W resistors? I think i do misunderstand something.
Hm, maybe it's better to use 40 turns secondary instead of 10. No need to waste power :-)
In a loop there are of course much higher currents then in a vertical antenna...

 
I'm using 800pF fixed caps and 490pF variable at about mid value to resonate the loop. Bandwith is sharp but lets me work
WSPR and Opera. So lets assume 3KHz
 
Have changed some parameters in Andy's Excel. Sized it down as a 17m diameter loop to match 224m2 loop area
Power down to 75W which is what I get with PA under 50ohm. Conductor diameter 5mm, not 6mm (great difference)
And it reports 1dBW ERP with 11A and 2904V
 
Can it be that high ?
No. 1 dBW is 1.26 W. This is not possible with such a loop and 75W. And this is why i personally prefer to avoid simulations and do measurements instead, during transmitting at that time. :-)

73, Stefan

Probably less due to mismatch in the feeding transformer
 
Nice ERP but in the wrong direction, I'm afraid :(
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM 


De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de DK7FC
Enviado el: miércoles, 30 de septiembre de 2015 13:25
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi Luis.

What is the loop RF current and the loop area? Do you know it?
Is it problematic to match the loop? You just need a C and a ferrite transformer. If you have such a relatively high perimeter, you probably need about 1 nF to resonate it? Currents may be in the range of 10A at 100W? A bandwidth of maybe 3 kHz?

73, Stefan

Am 30.09.2015 11:14, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
Hi MF
 
Probably not 2mW ERP Stefan ;-)
 
Have to reconfigure my U3 but really don't know which ERP I'm getting right now
The PA outputs 60V RMS under 50Ohm load, but the loop is not an ideal load and I can tune it
to about 80V RMS. When detuned, RMS runs up to >>100V and PA gets into problems
 
I tried to get loop performance using Andy G4JNT excel and this is what I got
 
Probably many things wrong there
What I use is a 70m perimeter loop made from RG59 coax (braid and inner shorted on ends) but not a round circle
The resonate cap is very close to what I need to tuneit. So the "equivalent" round loop diameter should be 21m 
Go figure ! :-)
 
One detail to mention:
Yesterday, it rained. Not very usual here and still not tested the loop with this Tx power and with wet terrace
It seems to me that my signals was better than before. Could the wet terrace worked as a kind of reflector or
re-shapped the radiation diagram of the horizontal loop making it more efficient for Dx ??
 
The loop is not equidistant from terrace but keeps about 3 to 4 meter high, and just 1m on the feeding point
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM


De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de DK7FC
Enviado el: miércoles, 30 de septiembre de 2015 10:18
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Asunto: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz

Hi Luis,

Ooh, very well! I'm glad that i received you the first time! Is it really 2 mW ERP?
Oh and BTW it was in WSPR, the super mode!!!! ;-)

73, Stefan

Am 30.09.2015 00:17, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
Even with the loop we are on the way ;-)

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73 de Luis
EA5DOM

De: [email protected] [[email protected]] en nombre de DK7FC [[email protected]]
Enviado: lunes, 28 de septiembre de 2015 21:47
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Asunto: Re: LF: Re: 23:35 477 EA5DOM de EB3FRN Op8 Deep Search -36 dB1489.0 Hz


Am 28.09.2015 17:02, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernández:
[...]
 
Next in the list is going vertical. Coil and variometer on the way. Keep tuned ;-)
 
73 de Luis
EA5DOM


Oh yes! Do it!!! :-) Looking forward to a QSO :-)

73, Stefan
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