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Re: LF: European Loran in Tasmania

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Subject: Re: LF: European Loran in Tasmania
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 20:05:01 +0200
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Hi Stefan,
 
guess it depends on what you want to achieve. Your signal strength is above average, and some dashes have already been detected several times in Tasmania. You may now be aiming to convey a complete callsign or a message. Considering that an opening will often last less than an hour, DFCW 600 may already be too slow for this purpose. Although, as Paul Nicholson recently pointed out, visual QRSS or DFCW may not be the most efficient schemes in terms of data throughput at limited SNR.
 
On the other hand, others with more limited ERP would probably be very happy with a simple and unique overseas detection of the presence of their signal. For this purpose, very long carriers and half-milliHz detection bandwidth (aka "6000") have proven extremely valuable at VLF. My point was that such a narrow bandwidth would still be supported by the stability of an LF long-distance path.  
 
How different is 100 kHz from 137? I think that although there may be some differences (eg. less groundwave absorption and smaller phase variability at lower frequency), the general behaviour seems quite similar. Although I havent attempted a proper quantitative analysis, the strength of 100 kHz Loran signals eg from Japan or America seemed to be fairly well correlated with propagation conditions observed by LF amateurs or DCF39.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 

From: DK7FC
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: European Loran in Tasmania

Hello Markus, Edgar, LF,

Does that mean you would recommend to try slower DFCW modes than 180 ? Maybe 600, like in the old VLF days?
What could be the difference in propagartion between 2200m and 3000m ?

73, Stefan

Am 26.09.2014 01:50, schrieb Markus Vester:
Last night, Edgar J. Twining in Moonah, Tasmania has successfully picked up several Loran-C signals from the other side of the world. He was using an E-field antenna connected to his Excalibur receiver, tuned to a 6 kHz band around 100 kHz. For phase and timing reference, the rising edge of 1pps pulses from a GPS device was capacitively injected to the antenna line. In the wee hours between 18 and 19:50 UT, Edgar produced a set of four 20-minute recordings, which were then postprocessed here using my homebrew "LoranView" averaging software.
 
Attached image is the result using one-minute averaging. Each of the 40 columns corresponds to the repetition rate and delay of a single Loran station, dual rated stations appear twice. The order of slots is generally west to east, with the exception of the GRI 7950 chain at the right which has been added later. Horizontal timescale within each slot is equivalent to the 12 kHz samplerate, ie. 83 us per pixel or 2 ms in each slot. Vertical scale is one pixel per minute, from 18 (bottom) to 19:50 UT (top), with three 11 minute interruptions due to the gaps between files. Colour hue corresponds to received carrier phase, referenced to the 1pps pulse shown in the leftmost slot. The slots for the Chinese navigation stations are empty as these have been off air for a couple of days, presumably for maintenance.
 
Edgar's is getting solid traces even from his furthest station, Lessay at 17521 km, which is radiating 250 kW peak or about 3 kW average power on each of the two rates. As all Loran stations share a common frequency band, the fact that he doesn't have nearby stations probably helps to reduce crossrate clutter, allowing him to fully exploit the sensitivity of his excellent receive setup.
 
Interestingly, the colour of the very distant traces is changing only slowly, indicating phase stability of the path on the order of an hour or so. This confirms that sub-milliHz bandwidths can indeed be useful to enhance slow weak-signal communication on 137 kHz.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
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