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Re: LF: RE: ZEVS question

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: ZEVS question
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:32:21 +0200
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... been scratching my head about that 10 dB deficit. Errors in the scope measurement, or in the effective height estimate? There are uncertainties but it seems hard to explain a factor of three. Or has ZEVS gone to power save mode?
 
I now suspect there may be a more fundamental reason behind the discrepancy. When converting from magnetic to electric field, I had simply assumed that their ratio is the free space wave impedance Z0, ie. E / H = 377 ohms, or equivalently E / B = c. However in a waveguide whose height (60 km) is smaller than the wavelength (3600 km), this may no longer be the case, but the wave impedance could be less. Then on a relative scale, magnetic antennas would be more effective than electric antennas (even though in practice it still seems much easier to receive the Schumann's on a whip than a loop). This could also explain why the formula for radiated power on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_dipole predicts an order of magnitude more radiation than my simple loop-in-free-space approach.
 
73, Markus
 
PS. Most likely I'm stumbling upon things which have been known for decades. For me, it's new and fascinating anyhow....
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: ZEVS question

Eddie, Stefan,
 
yes I was surprised and exhilarated to find the Schumann humps along with the 82 Hz signal. The quest to see those always seemed like some kind of holy grail regarding low frequency work ;-)
 
Actually I had tried to see ZEVS a couple of times in the past without success. But that was without any preamplification, suffering from severe mismatch loss between the small antenna capacitance and the 1 kohm soundcard input. Another attempt using the 6 squaremeter magnetic loops in the garden also failed due to low induction voltage and coupling to underground cables.
 
The source follower has only a couple of resistors at the gate, 2.5 Mohm in series and 10 Mohm shunt. Together with the capacitances of antenna (270 pF) and a piece of coax (200 pF), the shunt makes a cutoff at 27 Hz. There is a 10 uF coupling capacitor to the soundcard which inserts another pole at 10 Hz, and in addition the soundcard internally fades out below about 7 Hz.
 
Connecting a scope to the source, I am seeing monster signals from the grids, about 1.2 V pp on 16.7 Hz (railway at 400m) plus 0.3 Vpp on 50 Hz (relatively weak due to underground supply lines). The recording gain slider is set low such that the ADC input range is about 2 Vpp. With 75% of clipping levels, the little SpecLab input scope just occasionally becomes red. Note that all software postprocessing (like noiseblanking or notch filtering) is disabled.
 
Working back through mismatch, frequency response, and antenna height, the interfering fieldstrength at this location is around 1.2 V/m at 16 Hz and 0.15 V/m at 50 Hz. The railway also has a strong fifth harmonic around 83.3 Hz, which is about half a Hz wide but fortunately doesn't seem to leak much into the ZEVS band.
 
The ZEVS carrier itself reaches -91 dB fullscale, translating to about 30 uV/m or 0.1 picoTesla. >From Fig.2 in http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~acfs/82Hz.pdf, the fieldstrength at 2.5 Mm should be -130 dBA/m or 0.4  picotesla in the main lobes (77 and 257 degrees azimuth). At 220° from Murmansk, one would expect a reduction by cos(37°), giving 0.32 pT. Thus my observation is still about 10 dB short of expectation. There also  seems to be a bit of diurnal variation both in Schumann and ZEVS levels, exhibiting a shallow minimum at sunrise.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


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Von: g3zjo <[email protected]>
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Verschickt: Mi, 3 Sept 2014 2:44 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: RE: ZEVS question

Hi Makus, Stefan, All

Very jealous here of Markus' Schumann resonances, the response of my E-Probe filter necessarily cuts off at that end.
I did try different responses a while ago and if I let much 50Hz in it overwhelms everything at this location.
It is nice to be able to see the 16.7Hz and harmonic which is sort of DX here.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

On 02/09/2014 23:45, Markus Vester wrote:
Hi Eddie, LF group,
 
it looks like despite very strong 50 Hz and 16.7 Hz harmonics, I can still receive useful ELF signals from my Marconi (currently only 3 m above the roof) with a simple BF245 source follower. The top panel of my VLF grabber http://www.df6nm.de/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm currently shows the ZEVS carrier, as well as several Schumann resonances.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

From: g3zjo
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: ZEVS question

As part of my checking that everything is OK and ready for the next
tests on ELF/ULF/SLF ? I have my Grabber
  http://www.g3zjo.talktalk.net/vlfgrabber.htm
Live on Wide and ZEVS. ZEVS is showing a good carrier at this time in my
urban environment.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

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