Return to KLUBNL.PL main page

rsgb_lf_group
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: LF: VLF exciter

To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:00:29 +0100
Authentication-results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of [email protected]) smtp.mail=[email protected]; dkim=pass [email protected]
Delivered-to: [email protected]
Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1388314829; bh=n7N7q0pSssbTpDdcSxwA8sqxF7SYnhoPGWaEvudQd3w=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kijdgTgljv+FQhc30MuIADwTdHSJE2o8bDyDtyGicxcpkiyp4Rm4QoWqMyoqx19uM ZpnOHQQj+jtWL9pJyKEyWSDZlufF/3c/EFN1KAbbWaKE1fkIP42xKu8HfyUg9OB3w6 mj/fUja1wBrIUMKQaIe4ubPfFlJ82lQKGwWB5yUY=
Importance: Normal
References: <20C550A7D07741688C6A26E73CBCF741@White> <[email protected]> <DDBCC8F2ADC5452C85E1D13889D0C423@White> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Reply-to: [email protected]
Sender: [email protected]
Hi Wolf,
 
I think Stefan was only trying to solve the simpler problem of generating a dual squarewave drive for his VLF PA, and was not aiming for amplitude modulated output yet. So when he transmits Opera we'll just have to live with ultra-strong keyclicks, devastating the 9 kHz band all over Europe ;-)) 
 
But I remember that in 2011 we discussed about transmitting high-quality Hell piccies. As you say, the Kahn technique with a separate AM modulator is certainly a good and efficient option. At VLF, outphasing (aka Chireix or LINC technique) between two half-bridges would be a valid alternative. There's some software for the purpose (including Basic source code ;-) on
This works in conjunction with your SndOutpt audio utility, generating the two outphasing carriers at the left and right stereo output.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF exciter

My suggestion:

Use two outputs from the stereo soundcard:
An "amplitude" and a "phase" channel. The output from the phase channel will be a square wave, coherent, constant amplitude, fed to the divider chain. The "amplitude" channel delivers, well, the amplitude (as a waveform with variable voltage) which, after rectification, drives the final voltage via an additional mosfet. I think the software option is already there, and iirc it has been used (by Jim ?) for an LF PA.
This way, you could even use amplitude shaping if the bandwidth (from the hard-keyed PA) was a problem - which I don't think it is, on VLF.

Cheers,
  Wolf

 (p.s. problem with the "very long command lines" already fixed, new SL version will be uploaded soon).

Am 29.12.2013 02:43, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:

Am 28.12.2013 23:33, schrieb Markus Vester:
[...]
 
PS Any progress on bypassing the divider in your VLF transmit chain?

Aaah, no, i forgot that. So i cannot transmit OP32 on VLF because it would be incoherent then. So i have to key the PA via a VOX and OP32 tones, still :-/

In this H bridge PA config, an exact 50% duty cycle isn't needed, so i may actually remove the divider. But then i need a solid and defined input signal wave form! How do i get an inverted signal then? A transformer isn't possible since i like to have a wide frequency range of the PA. So far it works from 10 Hz to > 100 kHz. With the frequency divider, the wave form can be quite distorted, no problem unless the peak reaches the necessary voltage level. So maybe it is better to build the VOX circuit instead? Also i want to leave the PA circuit as it is, for nostalgic reasons :-)
Or do you have another idea? I remember that circuit with the XOR gates...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>