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Re: LF: USA issued 68 to 76 kHz band with 10 W ERP

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Subject: Re: LF: USA issued 68 to 76 kHz band with 10 W ERP
From: Jim and Hannelore Fisher <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 15:12:05 +0000
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At one point in the early 1970s, I as W8KJN was using a balloon-lifted 5/8wl 40M vertical for an RSGB 40M contest (worked really well). I used a war surplus balloon and wire, cutting the wire to 5/8wl and loading it with my tuner on my USAF MARS HT4G (civilian predecessor of BC610). My experience was that the radiating element was somewhat more stable and vertical if the balloon was tethered upwind and the radiating element was nominally vertical. It did sag and bounce a bit in windy conditions. Of course, that requires the space for an upwind anchor site.
 
If I were to try another balloon- or kite-supported antenna I would repeat that approach.
 
A neighbour's son came by while I was adjusting things and inquired what I was doing. I replied I was fishing for flying fish (we were by an inland lake). The neighbour was a ham and came over for the evening and, with my wife and me, enjoyed a sip by the the glow of the final and the mercury vapour rectifiers and the lights on the HT4G and R-390A.
 
73,
 
Jim, VE1JF
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Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: LF: USA issued 68 to 76 kHz band with 10 W ERP

Markus, Stefan, LF,

      Please keep in mind that 10W represents an upper limit, we are free to run anything below that!

     About Quadcopters - the limitation is the life of the battery - which is on the order of 15 minutes, even if it could lift enough weight, it wouldn't last long! (The more weight it must lift the higher the battery drain!)

     A better solution might be a remote controlled airship (zeppelin) where the helium supplies the lift and motors provide steering only.


73 Warren K2ORS

  


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Markus,

Am 04.08.2013 09:46, schrieb Markus Vester:
 
Stefan, 10 W ERP is not that hard - anyone who can radiate 80 W ERP on 136 will be able to do 10 W on half the frequency ;-))
Oh yes indeed. The radiation resistance of the wire is about 1/4 and the needed L is about 4x, so the coil losses will be 4x higher too. The ground losses may drop a bit. Then it depends on the ratio of coil losses to ground losses. So 80W is realistic :-)

I don't know anything about LF propagation on that band. Is it much different to 2200m? And what are the distance records?

Yesterday night a friend showed me his new GPS-stabilized quadrocopter. It's stunning how it could just about be parked in midair, despite some lateral winds. Seems that would make a great antenna carrier! Not all of the neighbour's seemed to enjoy it as much as we did...
MOST interesting! Did you ask him what the weight can be lifted? And will it still be stable then? Is it expensive? Do you fear some EMC problems? (The topic should be discussed in a new subject then)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



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