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RE: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?

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Subject: RE: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
From: "Clemens Paul" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:59:20 +0100
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Hi Gery,
 
depending on the antenna/matching sytem Q some might have a SWR-BW
issue,i.e. not enough bandwidth (3kHz) with a decent swr
for SSB.
Lossy sytems would be better in this respect...
I remember a QSO on 160m with a German OM using the famous (in Germany)
Siemens tuned loop antenna (circumference about 8m and very
wide conductor diameter) which was used by military and Bundesgrenzschutz.
He tuned to SWR 1.0 with a CW carrier but when he started talking in SSB SWR
went up to >3 and output power
of the TRX  was folded back.
There is a 1.1kHz wide digital SSB mode called FreeDV 
http://freedv.org/tiki-index.php
My personal experience with that mode seems not very promising.
You need at least 10dB SNR for a stable decoding and the voice sounds like
from a robot. 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 


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        From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:37 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
        
        
        Hi,
         
        I kind of like the idea of an SSB channel. I just pulled out the
conditions of my first secial license for 160m from 1973 or 1974. That said
1815 to 1835 kHz with 10 Watts in CW, additionally one SSB channel for 1832
to 1835 kHz, so why not trying this on 630m, too? Here in Germany we are
currently limited to 800 Hz bandwidt but I am sure we can sork towards a
special license under certain conditions such as daylight operation only ..
sounds good to me!
         
        Vy 73
         
        Geri, DK8KW
         

                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Graham <mailto:[email protected]>  
                To: [email protected] 
                Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:58 PM
                Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?

                Hi Pete
                 
                Its  quite  obvious that  the  allocation  is   quite  able
to  support  normal   armature  activity , and  why  not  ? its no  longer a
experimental  allocation , its just the  same  as   10  or top  band , un
expected  results  today though !  ssb  sounds  odd  , may  be  as  the
path is  stable ,   sstv ?  must  be a  narrow  mode  , and the  'new'
digital  voice  is 2KHz  , but that  requires  a  linear  Tx  path  
                 
                As  for  the  band edge 
                 
                 I'm  straining  to  find  a  engineering   reason  , that
wspr  and  qrss  has  decided to  run mid band ? Im sure  users had a
reasonable discussion  at the  introduction  of the  band , to  place the
modes  at the  edges , with  live  cw a the  lower  portion ?  its well
know  that  these  long  carrier  modes  cause  disruption  to  other  band
users and  are  well  placed  at the  band  edges  , 'vanity  beacons'  is a
term I have  seen  noted  in referral, as occupancy  increases , by users
not  linked or  even  aware  of   discussions   taking place on these
groups , i'm sure there  will  be  problems  leading  to  the  introduction
of  band plan's  , for  some  the  plans  form  part of the  licence
conditions ..
                 
                Is Opera  a vanity  system ? , actually  no, it  compliments
ros-  data  mode in that  the  ave s/n   readings  can be used to  determine
if  a  path  will  support  the  data  mode , each  having  the  same
averaging  s/n  reading  taken along the  time  line  , 
                 
                73 -G..
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                
                
                From: M0FMT <mailto:[email protected]>  
                Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM
                To: [email protected] 
                Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?

                Hi all
                 
                One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used
during daylight hours no DXing!
                
                
                73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
                

                                                From: Graham
<[email protected]>
                        To: [email protected] 
                        Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 16:13
                        Subject: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
                        

                        Quite  intriguing  propagation  on this  'new'  band

                         
                        From  some  unexpected  early  600 mile  +   Opera
decodes  last  night  , to  several   wspr   TA  decodes ,  [G8's  again ..]
to   today's   test  with  Gary  using   USB-SSB  voice , 
                         
                        Where  as at   1300z   we  had  5/9  signals each
way  as  expected   over 25 miles  ,  GI3PDN   Ray  , called  on CW , to
give  a  report of  5/9 across  the  Irish   Sea  , some  100  miles  for
our  two  signals , his  CW also  in the  5/9/9  region, one  wonders  how
far  inland  the signals  travelled  ?
                         
                        After a  short 3  way  qso,  we closed the  test
round 1330z  ,  may  not of been  quite  as  sociable  after  dark  , but
with a  small  Ae  , 40 x 70  ft  iv L  and   35  ft  Top load  vert  , 50
watts  pep  , results  defiantly   superior  to  say  160  mtrs  using  the
same  Ae's 
                         
                        73 -G
                        G0NBD
                         
                         
                         



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