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RE: LF: 137.500 kHz ROS MF-1 beacon

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Subject: RE: LF: 137.500 kHz ROS MF-1 beacon
From: "g3zjo" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:39:55 +0100
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I am monitoring 502kHz ROS MF1

 

Eddie G3ZJO

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 02 July 2010 13:33
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: LF: 137.500 kHz ROS MF-1 beacon

 

Reply  from R .

 

MF1 ROS is 0.837053 symbols/second.  If you can decode at -33dB (presumably in the reference bandwidth of 2.5kHz)  that's +1.7 dB S/N in a symbol bandwidth, that in the case of 16FSK with Viterbi Decoder is possible.

ROS calculate S/N for 100Hz, after tx ,  show's  S/N for an equivalent system of 2500Hz   >>  CANCEL> -36 dB <<  (end of rx text string)

 

 

From: Andy Talbot

Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: LF: 137.500 kHz ROS MF-1 beacon

 

A thought. 

MF1 ROS is one symbol per second isn't it.  If you can decode at -33dB (presumably in the reference bandwidth of 2.5kHz)  that's -1dB S/N in a symbol bandwidth.   Which I'm not sure I can believe.   FSK with good Feed Solomon, or whatever, FEC  needs 2 - 3dB S/N.

 

Is the S/N calculation being a bit optimistic?  The calculation in WSJT / WSPR gives an artificially high S/N value if the input bandwidth is restricted below a complete 2.5kHz's worth, and if impulsive noise is present.  So could ROS be suffering some similar effect?

On 1 July 2010 23:47, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:

 

Gary,

 

Just a  couple of db's   short  of a  decode  via the  web , -36 is going some though

 

RX1:

21:55 @ 13.8 Hz: *[:]V-KFY:32DM5#("")EM3H#/F[_ <CANCEL> -36 dB

G ..

 

 

From: Gary - G4WGT

Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:35 PM

Subject: LF: 137.500 kHz ROS MF-1 beacon

 

Hi LF,

 

My ROS MF-1 beacon is transmitting now with 3 minute timer.

 

Frequency is 137.500 kHz (dial 136.500 kHz USB), reports & QSO attempts very welcome.

 

ERP about 50mW.

 

73

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO

 



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