Re: LF: AW: RE: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling

[Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>]

Thanks Eddie. 

Yes I saw your reports on the database along with those from M0BMU, G0KTN and G3XIZ tonight.  I will take Rik's suggestion to better match the loop and see if I can 
squeeze a few more dBs of ERP out of it. Then I think the experiment is 
done, apart from repeating it on 137kHz at a future date.

PA0A has been a very strong signal on 500kHz WSPR here tonight via the earth electrode set-up.  Last night I also copied G4JNT, G7NKS, G0NBD and PE1GRL.

73s and thanks again to everyone for the few days of fun.

Roger G3XBM

On 18 June 2010 22:51, g3zjo <g3zjo@npton.plus.com> wrote:

Hi Roger

 

I did spot you 3 times tonight -28dB, -29dB and -30dB, using my inverted L, normal TX antenna. Nothing on the Doublet, the spots are on the database now although they didn’t get uploaded at the time.

 

Eddie

 

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
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Subject: Re: LF: AW: RE: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling

 

137kHz is a project for later this year Stefan.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/6/18 Stefan Schäfer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>

Interesting!
I wish i would know my ERP during the 9 kHz test where i reached 2km. But the grabber is still not calibrated :-(

Roger, when will you try 137 kHz?

73 es gl

Stefan/DK7FC

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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe
Gesendet: Fr 18.06.2010 23:10
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling


Hello Roger,

my pennyworth:

assuming
- 50uW ERP
- antenna is traded as a loop (gain = -0.4dBd)

Due to the negative gain (-0.4dB versus dipole) a loop antenna must "radiate" 55uW to get 50uW ERP.
Since the antenna feeding current is 0.15A the radiation resistance is 2.44 milliOhm (R= P/I^2)
The radiation resistance of a small loop is : Ra = 320xPi^4*A^2/L^4
where A = loop area (m^2) and L = wavelength (m)
For 500kHz Ra = 5*10^(-7)*A^2 or A = 1416*sqrt(Ra)
If Ra = 0.00244 Ohm then effective the loop area is 70m^2

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Roger Lapthorn [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juni 2010 22:29
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Onderwerp: LF: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling


Please can someone help me with the maths? I've been trying to work out my effective loop area and I cannot get sensible answers. These are the measured or estimated numbers I have:

Voltage across "loop"  = 24.48V rms  - measured
Current flowing in "loop" = 0.15A - measured
ERP (from far field levels) = 50-100uW (may be less) based on -18dB S/N with M0BMU

>From these figures I should be able to work out the loop area, but either my calculations are wrong or the figure is correct and the effective loop area is very very small.

Help!

73s
Roger G3XBM

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