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LF: Re: VLF...alpha long selective fade?

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From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:48:34 +0200
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Dear Jay,
 
thanks for posting this interesting screenshot.
 
The fine structure in the spectrum is superposition of the three sources, transmitting coherently on the same frequency but occupying different time slots 0.6 s apart. The scheme of the 3.6 s repeating frames is currently:
 
0          3.6 s
+-----------+ 

|K E N N*. .|  14.881 kHz
|. N E K . .|  12.649 kHz
|N . K E . .|  11.905 kHz
+-----------+
 
K = Krasnodar (West)
N = Novosibirsk (Center)
E = Khabarovsk (Far East)
 * second dash from N on 14.881 has alternating phase
The mechanism is similar to selective fading, but the delay involved is not from propagation but from the (much longer) transmitter delay. If you were for example getting only N and K, the two dashes 1.2 seconds apart would result in a 0.83 Hz periodic ripple in the spectral envelope.
 
As the transmitters are laid out on a ~ 6000 km baseline, the components will have different diurnal phase variations, resulting in a slow movement of the minima in the spectrogram. If the later component is lagging more, the ripple pattern moves down in frequency (ie. contracts towards zero).
 
The plot appended here shows the three signals separated in time domain, as observed here on Mar. 20. The idea behind this was to get more data for a simple model for propagation loss, and I was expecting something along the lines of 1/sqrt(r) and -2 to -3 dB/Mm.
 
But the pattern appears to be much more complex. For example, at 11.9 and 12.6 kHz, nighttime fieldstrength from Novosibirsk at 5 Mm actually exceeds that from Krasnodar at 2 Mm (ie. the red and green thin lines go above the thick lines). This is not the case at 14.8 kHz (blue). Also, the 8 Mm path from Khabarovsk exhibits an unexpectedly deep daytime minimum. There are more plots in http://df6nm.bplaced.net/VLF/Alpha/ , showing that level and phase patterns are essentially repeating every day.
 
The results seem to indicate that a fieldstrength prediction for long ranges would seem feasible in principle, but one would have to include interference between groundwave and multiple waveguide modes. There may be favourable and unfavourable combinations of distance and frequency, which (unlike at HF) are rather fixed and will not be averaged out by slight ionospheric movements. This is also pointed out by an older dual-frequency observation of DHO at 475 km:
 
Kind regards,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: LF: VLF...alpha long selective fade?

Been monitoring / plotting the alpha stations over the past couple weeks while working to improve
the VLF receiving setup. The following very slow 'selective fade' has been seen every night that
I've looked (4 times) so it's not a one off occurrence. Anyone care to speculate on what would cause
this?

Full screen here: http://www.w1vd.com/capture/alphafade1.jpg . Condensed version as an attachment.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

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