Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<<

["Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>]

Roger,

 

Either  way the  cct is nice way into  500  from hf , I have  seen a  board marketed  (possibly from Germany) that makes a  stand-alone  xtal oscillator  temperature  controlled by simply bonding the  heater board to the  xtal can, the  board having the  heater and  temperature controller  on it, a bit  of polystyrene, one  txco !

 

I think  Gary  sent me the  link a  while ago, when he was looking  for a  stable signal source .... I'm not  quite  sure which is the more  difficult route ..diy or  ex-military .. may be the  'slog factor' is the  same , diy takes a long time coming , while the  ex-military route is fine till it  falls  over .. then takes a  long time  mending  .. hi

 

I would think the  ft817 is quite  stable , what is the  master oscillator  frequency, ? it may be over 28  mhz , in which case the  drift may be only fractionally dependant on the  change  of frequency ..im my  ft897  the  mo is running on  67.87 MHz , so a  change  from 28 to  10  would  result in a  minimal improvement.

 

G ..

 

 

From: Roger Lapthorn

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:05 AM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<<

Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a single ham band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band only TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to stability.

The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we have been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorly and now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well!

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>

Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or even an over that is most important. Very Good.

I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO. I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work. It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz?

Alan G3NYK

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<<

> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27

> With the transverter "in the
> open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a
> warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down.
> This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a
> single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with
> this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not
> tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal
> oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS,
> but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS
> operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help.
>
>
> My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much
> improvement, HI.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
> 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
>
> Sounds good Roger and Graham...
> what it the stability like the problem with
> transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some
> modes they are  often not stable enough for the very weak
> signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the
> frequency of a station very accurately because you will not
> hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short
> periods.
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>
> Alan G3NYK
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> --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> > From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter
> >>DATA MODES<<
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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> > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
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> > All
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> > This  latest
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> > addition to  the
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> > HF / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door
>
> > to  data
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> > communications  on 500 ... ranging  from
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> > 'all'  the K1JT systems
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> > through to  the  single carrier
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> > multi  tone
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> > systems  of
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> > MFSK  ,  DOMINO and THOR  .. even
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> > the  almost
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> > forgotten  Amtor-arq  and Packtor modes , anyone
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> > still  have
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> > there pk232
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> > listed  are
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> > data  modes that  may be  used with
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> > non-linear systems :-
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> > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms
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> > G..
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> > From: Roger
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> > Lapthorn
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> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
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> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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> >
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> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
>
> > transverter
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> >
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> > Dear All,
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> >
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> > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to
>
> > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
>
> > CW  in a
>
> > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
>
> > facility which allows you
>
> > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series
> LC
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> > between the TX PA and the
>
> > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back
> diodes
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> > at the L and C
>
> > junction, this allows "pass through" from
> the
>
> > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>
> > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C
> part
>
> > is in parallel with
>
> > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme
> is now
>
> > working really well
>
> > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power
> out.
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> >
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> > Schematic of the
>
> > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
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> > . My
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> > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here
> earlier
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> > failed.
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> >
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> > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting,
> apart
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> > from
>
> > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been
> great
>
> > fun all the way with lots
>
> > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz,
> but
>
> > think I will now give
>
> > this a miss for now.
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> >
>
> > 73s
>
> > Roger G3XBM
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