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Re: LF: Losses due to ant in tree?

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Subject: Re: LF: Losses due to ant in tree?
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:51:39 -0000
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Jim,
 
Its very hard to  estimate / guestimate  may be  move the  decimal point, one place to the  left , g4jnt beacon at  311Kmt is showing  round 10 db up on your signal at 243Kmt at the same time of day  , If  I am right the  power feed  on wspr is -6db  of the ral pulse/psk , making power  feed 25 watts 
 
Similar power / similar distance / very similar bearing , 10 db less  , possibly  0.025 % ? .....  its all  smoke and  mirrors , perhaps a little  more  smoke with wspr ? 
 
G ..  
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: LF: Losses due to ant in tree?

Hi All,

 

The vertical 5m section of my inverted L runs up into the branches of a silver birch tree.  The wire goes over a large bough at 5m or so and then comes out of the branches for some 22m down to a 4m high pole attached to the garage.

 

Has anyone a guesstimation of the losses in signal caused by running the wire through the tree?

 

Using vertload and tophat2 I calculate the antenna to be around 0.25% efficient but this assumes it is in free space.  Can anyone suggest a figure for the additional loss due to tree heating!

 

The vertical element is actually sloping at about 20 degree from the tree down to the loading coil.  The length is nearer 6metres but the vertical height over ground at the bough is about 5m.

 

(Santa may be bringing me a set of swaged poles with which to build mark 2, well away from the silver birch!)

 

With best regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS



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