RE: LF: Re: FT-817 at LF/MF

["Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>]

Hello Roger,

i use a FT857 and like your experience it works fine with a PA0DRT Miniwhip antenna on 500KHz and poor on 137KHz. Since i use for 137KHz the G0MRF Preamp (http://g0mrf.com/preamp.htm) receiption is much, much better on 137KHz and i'm happy so far with it.

 

thanks

regards

Marco

DD7PC

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Montag, 31. August 2009 10:12
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FT-817 at LF/MF

Thanks for these figures Jim. They back up my practical 
experience.

Yes, on 500kHz the FT817 works surprisingly well with the 
lash-up untuned antenna but clearly matching what antenna I have would help 
further.  

On 137 kHz the FT817 RX is unusable and I've been trying 
with a simple SBL1 up-converter with some post mixer gain. If I'm going to take 
a more serious interest in 137/500kHz I'll have to work on the antenna and a 
better receive system, especially on 137kHz. My real interest is 10m but at the 
moment the LF bands are far more interesting, HI. 

Thanks again for this 
helpful data.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/8/30 James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>

Dear Roger, LF Group,

Re: using the FT-817 and long wire for receiving the WSPR beacons - I have an FT-817 also, which I mostly use with a converter for VLF - MF reception due to its poor sensitivity at low frequencies. I just did a quick sensitivity check on mine - the following figures are for 10dB SNR using the 500Hz CW filter:

4.5MHz (the output frequency of my converter):
"IPO on" (ie. preamp off) -117dBm
"IPO off" (preamp on) -125dBm

Sensitivity is much the same over the HF range.

502kHz:
IPO on -105dBm
IPO off -108dBm

137kHz:
IPO on -89dBm
IPO off -80dBm

So sensitivity is about 20dB down on 500k, which is more or less passable, but a bit disastrous at 137k where it is around 30 - 40dB down depending on whether the preamp is selected or not.

The un-tuned wire will also be a contributing factor - at low frequencies, it will have a high capacitive impedance with a huge mismatch to the low impedance RX input. You can expect to lose a further 20dB or more at 500k, and 30dB or more at 137k, compared to having some sort of antenna tuner.

These figures are not unusual  for the situation of using a "random" wire with typical amateur HF rigs with general coverage RX, so it is not surprising people often get reasonable results at 500k using this sort of setup for receive, but 137k usually needs a bit more sorting to get useful reception

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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