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LF: G3XIZ calling CQ in normal CW

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Subject: LF: G3XIZ calling CQ in normal CW
From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:33:31 +0100
Cc: "'Chris Osborn'" <[email protected]>
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Hello Chris, Group,


Again I am receiving your CQ-Call in Normal CW-Mode !!! on 502.7 kHz loud and clear,

vy fine audible here in JN59LN.


Sri, I don’t have a possibility for a crossband QSO on 3.566 MHz at the moment.


vy 73 de Gerhard  //  DK6NI




Von: owner-[email protected] [mailto:owner-[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Beckmann, Gerhard
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2009 22:43
An: [email protected]
Cc: 'Chris Osborn'
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority


Hallo Chris,


just now I read your sad message about reducing your CW-activities on 500 kc.

Because this band is unfortunately still not released for German radio amateurs, I am often listening for stations in CW- and QRSS - Mode, and I am always happy to hear someone on this very interesting frequency.

Also it should be taken into consideration, that not all OM’s are familiar with the new Digital Modes on this experimental band.

So I would be very happy if there would operate some OM’s still in the “traditional modes”.

Last but not least only these modes are allowing crossband.QSO’s which are making our hobby somewhat more interesting.


vy 73 de Gerhard  /  DK6NI






Von: owner-[email protected] [mailto:owner-[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Chris Osborn
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Januar 2009 10:02
An: [email protected]
Betreff: LF: 500 kHz - Silent majority


I deduce that my (fairly) frequent transmissions on MF may be causing

some annoyance and inconvenience to local stations.


Consequently I shall be QRT on 500 kHz for the remainder of this month.

This will give local stations an opportunity to use a quiet band without



I must report that sadly Adrian G4GDR has dismantled his MF equipment

and returned his N.O.V. to OfCom.

He was an active and keen MF operator and constructor but has lost interest due

to lack of activity.

I for one will miss him.


73 Chris G3XIZ




From: Dave G3WCB <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2009 22:22:55
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Silent majority

Dear LF,


Geri DK8KW and Markus did some interesting slow-voice experiments on 137 kHz a few years back.


Definitely not a DX-mode, and a bit of a bandwidth-gobbler too ;-)


Follow the link below:-



73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:owner-[email protected]]On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 05 January 2009 02:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Silent majority


Since by general consent the 600m band is now wide open for experimentation of whatever computer aided mode that can be down loaded for free off the Internet. Might I suggest the use of SSTV. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I have thousands of holiday snaps I would like to share with the world by way of a 24/7 beaconing experiment.  The result may be a bit more interesting than the shopping lists of stations worked, equipment lists and rig specifications that get churned out ad nauseam over the weekends.

I am not sure what my afore mentioned local Amateur Radio 600m op friends would feel being only a few miles away from my QTH.

No, the above suggestion is ridiculous. It does however, Einstein, Planck et al withstanding, beg the question; what is a suitable maximum bandwidth for the development of new modes on our British 3Kc/s 600m band?  I will start the ball rolling by saying a BW no more than 50c/s. G3PLX managed with less than 32c/s BW. Since there is a QSB / QRN issue on this band then hand shaking could be introduced to ensure error free data transfer a bit like X25 slow but sure yet confined in a very narrow bandwidth say 50c/s max.  We need to think outside the box and not try to shoe horn unsuitable modes onto 600m. To evoke names like Planck and co with all due respect to Alberto (who I admire immensely for his great innovations with DSP, SDR, FFT processing software) I think,  is over the top. Nobody is into book burning and denial of spectrum to impede progress but we only have 3kc/s to play with here in the UK.  I consider myself a “grunt” operator not a highflying “Einstein” radio spectrum quantum mechanic, but I would hope we are trying to do more with less and I don’t think Olivia is the answer. Whatever modes are proposed and developed, I would expect one of the cardinal points in their specification, along with very narrow BW, to be compatibility with adjacent modes like CW and the effect on adjacent stations not running that particular mode.

In the mean time I am hoping to improve my manual CW skills assuming there are any stations still interested in that form of error correcting narrow band data transfer and are still prepared to QSO with me.

Now retreating into my cave with my knuckles dragging along the ground.

Vy 73 petefmt

--- On Mon, 5/1/09, Alberto di Bene <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Alberto di Bene <[email protected]>
Subject: LF: Re: Silent majority
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, 5 January, 2009, 12:05 AM

Steve McDonald wrote:
>> There is virtually nothing new to discover or invent that has not
>> taken place on MF.
> There you go guys. You may as well stop your 600m experiments right now as
> Mal has proclaimed that there is "nothing new to discover".
Wouldn't it be
> wonderful if we could all see the future as clearly as he apparently does.
> What an amazing gift.
> VE7SL / Steve
This reminds me what Max Planck did write at the beginning of past century.
At the turn of the 20th century scientists were absolutely certain that there
was nothing more to be discovered in theoretical physics.
Max Planck, recalling the mood of optimism and conviction at that time, wrote:
“When I began my physical studies [in Munich in 1874] and sought advice from
my venerable teacher Phillipp von Jolly... he portrayed to me physics as a
highly developed almost fully matured science.... Possibly in one or another
nook there would perhaps be a dust particle or a small bubble to be examined
and classified, but the system as a whole stood there fairly secured, and
theoretical physics approached visibly that degree of perfection which,
for example, geometry has had already for centuries”.
The history of physics during the 20th century did show how dumb was that
point of view...
73  Alberto  I2PHD



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