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Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR == ON AIR TEST NOW 1545 HRS = 503 KHz

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR == ON AIR TEST NOW 1545 HRS = 503 KHz
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:09:32 -0000
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Ok Andy,

Well its decoding off air ok at my qth , keying looks ok offair and at birmingham ,
im running 10  watts per tone (20 watts peak during dual tx)

I have just made a qsy inside the passband , to set the jt65 above the wspr signal ,
jt65 now using sync  tone  1700 Hz  dial freq still  501.5 usb

Im not sure if wspr and wsjt6 will run at the same time , but I can try over the wekend if needs be , ive just downloded the windows version of wspr .. but not sorted out the
soundcard yet as he's using , 0123 ... very trad hihi


Tnx - G ..





----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR == ON AIR TEST NOW 1545 HRS = 503 KHz


Very Interesting.  In the WSJT user screen there are several sucessive
-19dB S/N individual listings and, out of 70 sequences, it has
selected 22 of them as being valid, but not one single correct decode.
 Experience on JT65B receiving the GB3RAL and GB3VHF beacons shows
that -19dB S/N will give perfect copy, and -22dB will decode after two
or three averaging sessions, so there's something very odd going on.
What I can make out on the spectrogram, the sync tone is in
more-or-less the righ place.

Your WSPR signal is just 3 Hz low, and the JT65A sync tone about 15Hz
lower that stated, which is more than near enough for a valid decode -
and the user screen shows its doing just as it should - with some
strong enough individual demods BUT NO DECODES - why???????????????.

Do I understand you are not using the actual WSJT software to encode
the data?   Are you actually sure the MultiPSK implementation is doing
its job properly.
Try WSJT 5.98

Andy  G4JNT


On 22/03/2008, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
Ok Andy,

Looks like making headway ....

I'm using multipsk (the test version) which has jt65-modes .. and for want
of a better way of describing the frequency  ..sorry if it sounds a 'cb'
like ... but .. ' The purple line' is set at the 1000 Hz mark on the
waterfall display giving 1002 hz showing on the l/h fequency window ...as you say is 270 hz (ish) from the normal point ... but if you set the prog
to  that point , means you can engauge the narrow filter

WSPR is running at 1500 Hz tone o/p giving 503.00 khz rf carrier frequency

I though jt65 would of out performed  wspr ...be intresting to  see the
parallel decodes

Tnx - G ..




----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR == ON AIR TEST NOW 1545 HRS = 503 KHz


> Hi Graham
> Yes, I've got the right sequence time and am running WSPR and WSJT
> 5.98 in parallel.  Surprising the WSJT averaging won't extract a valid
> decode.   Some of the sessions are being tagged as having the sync
> detected, with a resulting 2.5kHz S/N in the --25dB ballpark, but they
> don't want to seem to be pulled together by the averaging.  The DF
> figure is coming up as -285Hz, suggesting you're 15Hz lower than
> advertised (should be -270Hz)
>
> Do have very bad QRM here.  I've just gone over to th the old 137kHz
> antenna minus its loading coil rather than the HF vertical that was
> the existing 500kHz Rx.  The LF Tee is further from the house and
> there is about 10dB less localised E field noise.  Its a pity about
> the deliberate jamming taking place just above the upper tone
> frequency.  I'm not sure how well JT65 can cope with that.
>
> Update on the WSPR decodes below - it really does seem a very good
> weak signal mode.   I'm just about to write June's Data Column for
> radcom.   I'll give WSPR a section having now played with it for a
> while in real hard off-air conditions
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
> c:\WSPR>wspr Rx 0
> 1750   8 -17  -0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             28.3
> 1752   6 -18   0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             28.3
> 1754   5 -20   0.0   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             28.2
> 1756   3 -20   0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             28.4
> 1758   8 -18   0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             28.9
> 1800   8 -14  -0.3   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             30.1
> 1802   1 -24   0.0   0.001487                            28.7
> 1804   4 -20  -0.2   0.001487                            27.5
> 1814   3 -22  -0.2   0.001487                            28.1
> 1816   1 -23  -0.6   0.001487                            27.9
> 1818   4 -24   0.0   0.001487                            27.8
> 1820   7 -19  -0.4   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             27.4
> 1822   3 -24  -0.1   0.001487                            27.6
> 1828   2 -24  -0.3   0.001487                            20.1
> 1830   5 -23  -0.2   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             27.2
> 1832   4 -20  -0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             24.6
> 1834   4 -24  -0.3   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             21.9
> 1836   5 -23  -0.2   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             22.8
> 1842   2 -24  -0.3   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             23.2
> 1844   1 -26  -0.3   0.001487                            22.3
> 1848   7 -19  -0.2   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             21.9
> 1850   2 -24   0.0   0.001487                            24.0
> 1852   7 -19  -0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             27.3
> 1854   5 -19  -0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             23.5
> 1856   3 -19  -0.1   0.001487  G0NBD IO83 37             24.9
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22/03/2008, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ok Andy,
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look , the jt65 been running for a while now , did
>> you
>> have
>>  the 2 systems on when you decoded the wspr signals ?
>>
>> jt56 is sending at even mins , check the birmingham grabber , should >> show
>> the 2 tone sets
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> Graham ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: WSPR == ON AIR TEST NOW 1545 HRS = 503 KHz
>>
>>
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