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Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

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Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF
From: "Graham" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 21:11:55 +0100
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Alan,
 
The only  addition I would  add , is ,  a  pre - amp  and    band - pass   filter 
 
Not  forgetting , the  £5 devices  are  not  expecting  a  signal  injected  directly  into the  AD  convertor ,  the  gain falls  off  past   2 MHz by some   10 may be  15 dB and  there  is  a  image  response , same  as  a  super-het ,  caused  by  the  sample  rate , up in the  HF bands
 
There  are  various  transformer coupling cct's  , Ive  only  ever used  a   0.01 uF  to the  inter stage  coupling  cap  ,  a   3 mm   surface mount  device ,  makes  a  good  solder  post ..
 
Works  behind  a    ATU , but a  pre-amp  would  not  go  amiss , though  data  seems  to  decode  'as is'  the   pre amp  ideally  would  have  a  out put  Z round  200  ohms , other than  that ,   just  select  'direct  sample'  in the  sdr   set  up  box  , that  turns  off  the   vhf  front and  the  scales  are   direct   frequency   read out  , zero  the  off  set  in the  driver  and  you  have  a  'good'  RX
 
There  are  various  devices  about ,  but  for  £5 gives  a  good  way  in  , the  band pass  filter  would  benefit  any  of the  more  expensive  devices , but  as  to  actual  realisable  advantage , post  processing ,   that  might  be  difficult  to  evaluate  for  data  operation , a pre amp  would  up the  noise floor , as would the  band pass  filter ,   first  off  try  it  as  is ..
 
I live  not  far  from  BBC  radio  Merseyside , multiple  qrg  Tx  , and in a direct  play off  .. the  £5  dongle  gives  better   Rx  on  80  meters  and  160  , than the  ft897-d    , which tends  to  over  load  , neither  as  good  as  the  ra6790gm lf [no pre-amp], but  that's  from a  different  drawing  office , with   5 to 7 watts  drive  to the  first  mixer
 
73-Graham
G0NBD
 
 

From: Alan Melia
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 12:40 AM
Subject: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi Iban, They do work, but you must realise they are not intended as radio receivers, and in many aspects their performance as radios is compromised by their design as line measuring instruments. Problems include IMD and lack of front end filtering, some lack audio output. Yes you can get round this or you can be lucky that you location and antenna help mitigate the problems. 
 
You might be better to consider an SDR these days but make sure it really cover the frequencies of interest. Graham G0NBD has information on direct sampling mods to the DVT-B dongles. In Europe there are a lot more LF signals from very strong stations than in the US so be careful of US opinions that rate these as receivers. I have a couple of W&G units which while useful as test equipment are less than brilliant and barely worth their cost as receivers.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:30 PM
Subject: LF: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi,

I'm looking to purchase a 3586C. Somebody is using it? 

Can give-me feedback about to use in 136 and 477 kHz?

Thanks for advance

73! Iban
eb3frn

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