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Re: LF: Tasmania? Yes!

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Subject: Re: LF: Tasmania? Yes!
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 00:20:46 +0100
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Today Stefan and I got a long wav recording from Edgar J. Twining, starting 2013-11-01 16 UT, shortly after the potential reception of dashes from DK7FC in Orford, Tasmania. Signals from all three EFR utility transmitters (DCF49, HGA22, DCF39) could be found in the recording. Using the same default samplerate and LO settings that Edgar applies on his grabber, the idle frequency from HGA22 appeared to be centered on 5429.95 Hz audio, which is about 72 mHz lower than expected from the actual transmit frequency.
 
This offset is in good agreement to the observed -75 mHz offset on the DK7FC signals, showing that this was indeed a real reception.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Tasmania?

...
From my point of view, the best contribution to a "proof" would now be verifying the receiver's frequency calibration offset. On yesterday's screenshots, the HGA22 line seemed to be just half a pixel below the tick. Simply by zooming in on it you could measure the offset much better, even though the line is spread by some tens of milliHz due to the FSK modulation. Last year I took some effort to measure HGA's idle frequency in detail against a calibrated Rubidium source. The result was 135430.022 Hz, with only very little variation of a milliHz or so (see attached).
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Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Tasmania?

Stefan, Edgar,
 
the inset was taken from a local grabber screenshot http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/df6nm_Eu_131101_1710.jpg, which was reduced in width to 50% to account for different scrolling speeds, and aligned horizontally solely by the 15 UT timestamp. The matching "7" came out as a result afterwards.
 
In my opinion this is a valid detection. It would be very unlikely that pure noise would produce such a result, and there has not been any indication of a spurious carrier on this frequency in Orford.
 
The small offset in the frequency calibration (about -75 mHz) is surely within expected tolerances of the receiver's free running crystal oscillator. This is in accordance with the Orford HGA spectrum, which shows the peak also very slightly below the 135430.0 Hz grid line.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Tasmania?

Hello Markus, LF!

Yes, i saw these 3 dashes (which are "dits" on that QRG and time) in one line. And if they are from me, it must be the end of the 7. And i was transmitting the 7 just to that time.
Did you place your grabber image overlay onto Edgar's image so it fits the 3 dashes or did you place it so that the time stamp fits to your time?

If "we" call this a valid ID and detection, then these 16833 km are a new #3 world record distance on 2200m! (according to http://136.73.ru/h_qso/index.htm )
Do "we"? Would others agree/disagree?

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 01.11.2013 20:11, schrieb Markus Vester:
Edgar, Stefan,
 
yes, I think it's there. On the Orford grabber around 15:40 UT, it looks like four dashes belonging to a "7" and the first dash from the following "F". Also later perhaps some more bright pixels on the same (dot) frequency (136171.89 on the RX scale, versus 136171.9625 Hz sent by Stefan).
 
 
The time of reception coincided with a period of good SNR from HGA22 in Orford, whereas DCF39 happened to be in a fade.
 
Congratulations! Guess it's time for the two of you to open up a bottle!
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Tasmania?

LF,

Is there a trace of my signal on that grabber? I can see something, very weak, and only if you know the frequency and what letter was sent to which time. But it is close to my QRG, a shift of maybe -35 mHz. The DFCW element length looks OK and the DFCW shift too. But VERY weak. Could it be right or am i dreaming? Can someone else see what i mean? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101251787/testIDC.html
Comments?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 01.11.2013 14:47, schrieb Stefan Schäfer:
BTW, Bob...

...did you ever try to leave a trace on the LF grabber of Edgar J. Twining in Tasmania? We were trying this spring/fall period but, so far, without success. I will make another attempt today though.
The path your you would be that: http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=FN12LQ&from=qe37wk Not impossible! A bit shorter than for me and even more hops on sea water for you!
Link to his garbber is: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101251787/testIDC.html
A suitable mode would be DFCW-180 or QRSS-120. Suitable frequency 136.173 kHz. Suitable time: -3...+2 hours arround your sunrise!
Worth a try!

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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