Mal

You are correct that we have to be careful when IDing these VLF signals, but 
there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the signals received by G3ZJO, 
Paul Nicholson, M0BMU, G3XBM and others here in the UK are from the VLF 
stations stated. As Andy stated, with known on and off times of transmissions, 
very accurate frequency measurement and sometimes a clear drift pattern (as 
with OE5ODL) plus the ability to cross check time/frequency on EU grabbers 
there is really no doubt who is transmitting. This is not a contest - it is 
experimentation of the best kind. 

So, Stop wasting your energy bemoaning the good work being done by many.  
Instead say or do something constructive for once please. 

73s
Roger G3XBM

Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g)

On 5 Apr 2011, at 08:06, "mal hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Andy
> But not 100%. You have left 0.1% to the imaginatiion and that gets stretched
> at times.  There must be no doubt, no guesswork or brushing,  only absolute
> proof.
> You must have seen the senario here lots of times ie I saw a squiggle!! The
> freq seems right so does the time !! I got a 3 mm screen shot over a period
> of 24 hours must be you!!
> To avoid spurious reporting there must be positive ID SENT, one symbol or a
> cut in long carriers at intervals.
> 
> G3KEV
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: a fool in Market Harborough
> 
> 
> If the timetable shows the bus leaves at 1258, and it does leave at 1258
> 
> And it arrives at 1445. when the timetable says is should.
> 
> Then stops
> 
> And the the bus drives along a road of 430uHz
> And it at least 4dB above the road surface in that width.
> And you look just for the presence of the bus (rather than its shape
> and direction)
> 
> Then there is a 99.9% certainty the bus was there
> 
> That's basic information theory.   Not gut reaction, perception or
> intuition or belief or fantasy
> Just basic maths.
> 
> 'JNT
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 April 2011 20:13, mal hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The list you mention is no PROOF that you were on the bus. Proof needed
> was
>> TICKET and having it punched. You IMAGINED the FOOL and that you were on
> the
>> but from Market Harborough to GROBY POOL
>> You could have looked at the time table and got the information as you
>> describe, so who was Foolish.
>> I am afraid to be convinced about your bus journies we need Tickets and on
>> Radio some positive ID
>> G3KEV
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "qrss" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:39 PM
>> Subject: LF: a fool in Market Harborough
>> 
>> 
>>> Not O/T really.
>>> 
>>> I went on the bus to Market Harborough today. There were 4 people on the
>>> 870034 bus, it left on time and arrived on time. When we arrived a fool
>>> who wasn't on the bus said he doubted :-
>>> 1) the existence of the bus
>>> 2) that there was anyone on the bus
>>> 3) the start time
>>> 4) the journey time
>>> 5) the arrival time.
>>> 
>>> Its a good job that I got a the attached photo of the people on the bus.
>>> 
>>> G3ZJO
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
>