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Re: LF: Low energy bulbs

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Subject: Re: LF: Low energy bulbs
From: M0FMT <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:33:33 +0000 (GMT)
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John I have had a mail from Eddie who has had spectacular results with 10meg TX made exclusively from these bits (apart from the rock of course).
 
These things can be a cheaper source of parts that any supplier my wife has not long ago bought three SFLs for 50p. They are useless as lights but a Goldmine for bits.
 
The enforced change to these things is shear Lunacy of course but I am happy with cheap bits.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX



From: John Rabson <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 10:49:26
Subject: Re: LF: Low energy bulbs

Fifty plus soldered joints, and such lamps don't seem to last much longer than tungsten ones here.  I wonder what the whole-life energy costs are compared with filament lamps.

John F5VLF

On 1 Mar 2011, at 23:21CET, M0FMT wrote:

Hi LF
 
If you are a Amateur like me trying to find components the cheap way then this may be for you;-
 
9W Philips so called energy saving SFL
         
Item Component
type
Electrical
value
Units Spec
1 Resistor 5 Ohm 0.125W
2 Resistor 5 Ohm 0.125W
3 Resistor 1 Ohm 0.125W
4 Resistor 700000 Ohm 0.125W
5 Resistor 387000 Ohm 0.125W
6 Resistor 48 Ohm 0.25W
7 Capacitor 100 nF Poly ?
8 Capacitor 23 nF Poly ?
9 Capacitor 2.3 nF Poly ?
10 Capacitor 1.6 nF Poly ?
11 Capacitor 2.2 Elec Micro F 350Vw
12 Inductor 2.795 mH Laminate  Core
13 Inductor 2.28 mH Ferite Cylinder
14 Inductor 131 (for 9T) micro H Toroid R10 N30
15 Transistor DK51   Bipolar
16 Transistor DK51   Bipolar
17 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
18 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
19 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
20 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
21 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
22 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
23 Diode 1N4007 1000V - 1A Gen Purp Rectifier
24 Diode !N4141 Fast switch small signal det
 

From this I have made a low power xtal controled Tx for 80m. and the Flurescent tube which always seems to be OK in "Failed" SFLs serves as a fine and spectacular RF indicator when located next to your LF antenna up lead.
Failed SFL units are a useful source of parts to the real Amateur.
Pictures available on request.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX



From: Stefan Schäfer <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 20:17:59
Subject: Re: LF: Low energy bulbs

Regarding energy bulbs, maybe it is an idea to put a well designed EMI filter into the bulb cable, as close as possible?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 01.03.2011 21:04, schrieb [email protected]:
I have one CFL at the moment which gives the same pattern on 24kHz. Over the years I have had all makes play up, one decided to wipe out 10MHz, that was due to a dry joint on a suppression capacitor. Dry joints have also caused other interference and total failure. I  have dismantled several CFL's, poor soldered joints are rife in them, some components can often be pulled dry from the PCB.
 Some designs are a nice source of a VLF ring core, material / type unknown, I have used them for coupling on two 500kHz / 136kHz multi turn RX Loops.

As for filament lamps, there is always the classic 'candle bulb effect' which wipes out  analogue TV, I did have the pleasure of finding one of those in a customers house once.

Eddie G3ZJO

On 01/03/2011 19:13, Mike Dennison wrote:
Today I noticed QRM on 136kHz that started when my wife switched a 
light on in our spare room. It had a low energy bulb by Status, and 
was marked "11W, 220-240V, 50/60Hz, 100mA". It is described on their 
web site as "stick type" and is bayonet fitting. The QRM consisted of 
rapidly changing noise sweeping back and forth across the band (see 
attached pic).

I replaced it with a Philips Genie WW287 light which did not seem to 
generate any noise.

The other low energy lights in the house are General Electric E27-ES 
11W bulb types which are very slow to get to full brightness, but are 
low QRM at LF. The rest are ancient filament types which are 
completely QRM-free of course.

So if you have this noise, perhaps it's one of your light bulbs.

Mike, G3XDV
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