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Re: LF: RE: Loop vs Marconi

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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Loop vs Marconi
From: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:08:08 +0000
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Dear Bill, LF Group

At 23:50 13/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
. My data and mathematical
studies indicate that a simple 50'x50' loop with a .37" conductor is ~6db
inferior to a 50' tall vertical, having a 50' diameter top hat and with a
elaborate ground system located in an open field.

One point worth making - US Lowfer activity centres around 185k, while in Europe we are concerned with 137k. Since the radiation resistance of a vertical varies with the square of frequency, while that of a loop varies with the 4th power, the difference in frequency swings things in favour of the loop for lowfers by roughly (185/137)^2, about 2.6dB, if everything else is equal. Alternatively, you could scale the size of antennas with the wavelength, so to get the same result as Bill is talking about on 136k, we would be looking at a basic dimension of 68 feet (21m) instead of 50 feet - unrealistically big for most of us, unfortunately.

My back-of envelope-reckoning goes like this:- A 10m high, 40m long antenna is the biggest I can put up. As a vertical, it has a radiation resistance of around 26milliohms. Using the same space, and with a bit of clearance for obstacles on the ground, a loop would be about 320m^2. This has a radiation resistance of 140 micro-ohms. If we are lucky, and the loop acts as if it is over a perfect ground plane, this might increase to 280 micro-ohms. To get the same radiated power, the current would have to be sqrt(26m/280u) times bigger, about 48A instead of 5A. The loss resistance of the vertical is about 40 ohms, so efficiency is about 0.00065. To get the same efficiency from the loop, the loss resistance would have to be kept down to (280u/0.00065) = 0.43 ohms. But there is also the problem of directionality of the loop. Due to the shape of my garden, it must run due E-W. But the USA, for example, is in a NW direction. This results in about 3dB "loss" in field strength in the desired direction. So to produce the same field strength as the vertical in the USA, the current would have to go up by 3dB to 68A. For the same transmitter power, this would require loss resistance to be kept below 0.22ohms.

I am not sure how feasible it is to reach these figures, but I am sure it is easier to make a vertical with 40 ohm loss resistance capable of 5A antenna current than it is to make a loop with 0.22ohms and 68A antenna current. At the least, getting a sufficient amount of metal into the air would require stronger antenna supports than I currnetly have. There are plenty of unknown variables which might shift the result either way by several dB, but these can only be found by experiment. I do plan to try back-to-back comparison experiments between a loop and vertical antennas when time permits, probably next summer - but I will be surprised if a practical loop antenna proves to be more efficient than a vertical.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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