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LF: Time & Frequency & so on

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Subject: LF: Time & Frequency & so on
From: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:31:39 +0000
Organization: University of Hertfordshire
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Dear LF Group,

Re - the discussion of GPS derrived timing, DDS frequency sources, etc. It seems to me that increasing layers of complexity being proposed could do with some review before rushing headlong at them.

There would appear to be little point in increasing the tuning resolution of signal sources much beyond the bandwidths occupied by the signals. So, for the very slow QRSS and similar modes, the bandwidth can't be much less than perhaps 10 millihertz because the propagation "lifts" do not last long enough to transmit a usable amount of data. The recent trans-atlantic tests seem to indicate that being able to vary frequency in 0.1Hz steps is adequate for dodging the QRM. A mode like BPSK requires absolute frequency errors to be much smaller than it's bandwidth, but again there would seem to be little point in being able to change the transmit frequency in very small increments, since this would just make it harder for the receiving station to find the correct frequency. Something that has become more noticeable lately is the limitations of frequency stability in current equipment. Many people currently are getting away with simple crystal oscillators, which certainly work OK for most things, but are probably now at their limits for stability for further development. So designs using DDS or otherwise obviously need to consider how a stable frequency reference can be incorporated from the outset, if high resolution is to be worth bothering with. If your DDS has a clock frequency of 25MHz, it will tune in different steps to one with a clock at 30MHz, and so there will always be a certain amount of error, even if perfectly stable. Also, thought has to be given as to how to use better reference oscillators with all the other equipment that is used for transmit and receive, such as amateur band tranceivers, DSP devices and so on. In principle, it is easy and most satisfactory to use a single reference oscillator for all the equipment that requires good frequency accuracy - but in practice, that is quite difficult to implement with most of the equipment currently in use.

It seems to me that once a high stability frequency reference has been obtained, a clock of quite impressive accuracy is also available. A reference of 0.1ppm stability would make a clock that gains or loses 1ms maximum in 2.8hours, which would probably be small compared to other errors - the only slightly tricky thing is setting it. But since you have to cope with a somewhat variable offset for the time delay between two stations, this does not seem to be a big deal.

Relying on the "compatibility" of equipment seems to be a bad idea - witness the problems running certain software with certain soundcards, and niggling frequency errors. I suppose one way round this would be for someone to by up a large batch of identical sound cards for distribution around the LF community, but does anyone really want to do this, and anyway, what would happen in 6 months time when the stock ran out, or for some reason that soundcard was found unsuitable or obsolete? Similar things can probably be said of GPS receivers. In any case, building up a system that relies on everybody using identical equipment to do the same thing seems to take all the fun out of it.

I await new ideas with interest!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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