Yes  that's the  problem  Jim,  from this  side,  Mal's  over the  hill ...
 I can  acquire   mf-2  lock  with  round  35/50 watts  carrier  power 
during
the  day to  John, but  need  round  150/180   for the  path  to Delft
Unfortunately , I think , due  to  Ae  modifications this  qth ,  my Rx
noise  level  is  very  high  to  the  point of  reducing Rx  s/n
considerably . so  any  comparisons  are  marred  at the  moment
Last  night  it  was  not  till  nearly  midnight , I decoded John's  wspr
tx  beacon ..
 2011-09-02 23:42   GM4SLV   0.503859   -26   0   IP90gg   0.5   G0NBD 
IO83lk   766   188
2011-09-02 23:32   GM4SLV   0.503869   -24   0   IP90gg   0.5   G0NBD 
IO83lk   766   188
 Yes  nothing  during  these  decodes  , 25  miles  to  my  east , unless 
there  is fringing
at play ?
 2011-09-02 22:46   GM4SLV   0.503852   -8   0   IP90gg   0.5   G4WGT 
IO83qo   745   186
2011-09-02 22:34   GM4SLV   0.503852   -16   0   IP90gg   0.5   G4WGT 
IO83qo   745   186
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From: "James Moritz" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:33 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: LF: Re: 500 Khz - QSO
 
Dear John, LF Group,
 
Good signals in daytime - steady with little QSB, but some QRN just
starting to build. The sea-path down the East Coast must help
enormously!
 
 
 Looking at the map, the path Shetland - Scarborough is almost entirely 
over the sea, while Shetland - Lancashire/Cheshire is about 50% over the 
rocky ground of Scotland and NW England. Looking at the ITU ground loss 
curves for 500kHz, and applying the "Millington Method" for the 
appropriate distances and ground conductivities comes up with something 
like 30dB less signal at G0NBD/G4WGT compared with G3KEV, even though the 
distance is similar. This is easily enough to make the difference between 
an audible signal and one that would require long integration periods on a 
spectrogram to detect. It might be interesting one day for you to try 
transmitting slow QRSS signals during daytime ground-wave conditions, and 
see if your signals are detectable at inland and western UK locations to 
make a comparison with east-coast locations.
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
 
 
 
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