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LF: Re: 137 grabbers

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Subject: LF: Re: 137 grabbers
From: Minto Witteveen <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:35:55 +0200
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Stefan, LF

I use the 4C6 cores in my Lowpass filter for 137. I tried the FT50-43, and the 4C6. The latter needed about 44 windings for 80 uH so it’s AL is 41 nH/T^2. (varies a bit per core). The AL of an FT50-43 is about 10 times as high. 100 uH is perfectly doable with a 4C6 core of 14 mm dia.
The Q of the FT types was around 50, the 4C6 was 140 @ 137 KHz @ 80 uH.
4C6 (originally made by Philips) is a well-known core type here in PA. The larger types are often used for HF baluns. I understand that Philips no longer makes them so they are getting harder to come by.
I bought a bunch of 14mm 4C6 cores at
http://www.vandijkenelektronica.nl/ for € 0,50 apiece.
Pot cores are more expensive but they have the advantage of being adjustable, which is nice if you want to construct (small) bandfilters…

73’s Minto pa3bca

 
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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 20:03
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 137 grabbers
 
Minto, Daniele,

@Daniele: Nice to read you also want to join in on LF! BTW VLF is not forgotten here, i want to come back in September. But want to have the LF system ready for the DX season and wat for lower QRN on the Dreamers Band...
You don't have a licence and cannot TX? Wouldn't it be worth to learn for a licence for that reason? :-)
And have you done further tests on sferics and so on your remote VLF QTH? Any news?
Just got re-fascinated by John/F5VLF about the earth antenna stuff and want to do more experiments on that antenna again but LF improvements are very time consuming! But i have holidays now :-))) I am curious how the earth antenna performs as a RX antenna on 137 kHz (directional pattern and gain and noise). As a TX antenna i will be to lossy i think and its not worth the effort carrying 100s of kg of batteries on the hill for doing some CQ calls that are not answered....

@Minto:
Am 14.08.2011 19:33, schrieb Minto Witteveen:

Above 10 MHz the gain drops off rapidly, it is nearly useless at 14 MHz. a -77 type would be much worse there I think.

Sure. I just talked about LF now. I read the -43 type is suitable for 40...400 MHz, at least this is said in the catalog...

As for the Q: I did a comparison between an FT50-43 and a 14 mm 4C6 (for my 137 KHz low-pass filter, see my website). The Q of the FT50-43 coil was abt 50, the 4C6 – with a lower Al - was 140 !!

Interesting! 140 at which L? I am searching for ferrite cores to achieve a high Q on LF, in the range of 100...1000uH. Where can i get these cores? At RS? Where do you buy them? They are usually samller, cheaper and easier to handle than pot cores.

BTW what do you think about a ferrite RX antenna for LF? Now i'm opening an older discussion i expect ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


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