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Re: LF: Signal detection question

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Subject: Re: LF: Signal detection question
From: "Markus Vester" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 00:12:38 +0200
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Edgar,
 
this sounds like a very interesting concept, though perhaps not easy to realize.
 
In principle, the two reference frequencies would allow you to measure and track both the samplerate ratio and the LO difference between the receivers. By interpolating and frequency shifting of one of the data streams, you will generate phase-coherent channels, allowing you to create a two-element steerable array. Maximum ratio combining for HGA could then be used maximize the gain towards Europe while minimizing noise pickup from other directions.
 
However there may be some limitations in that approach. Due to the large receiver baseline (26 lambda), you cannot avoid creating a feathered-up antenna diagram with many narrow lobes. The largest benefit could arise from the ability to place a null on interference, which won't work so well with a narrow null versus a distributed noise source like a thunderstorm field. Also, due to the distances within Europe, maximizing the gain for HGA will not always necessarily peak the signal from DK7FC. And with changing propagation, there may also be some variation in direction of arrival, which would have to be followed by some slow adaptation of the weighting factor. By these aspects, a simple E-H cardioid in one of the sites, or a pair of more closely spaced elements might be an easier choice.
 
I have been following your experiments with interest. Looking at the two grabbers, Stefan was sometimes visible in Moonah but not (or at least not much) in Orford. Not sure whether that's due to some intrinsic noise in the Orford setup (then you might end up making things worse by adding in Orford data), or Stefan being weakened by the extra distance (then Orford data would still be useful to partially null QRN). 
 
As far as I know, Paul Nicholson is using a somewhat reminiscent setup on VLF: He has two loops and one E-field probe, whose data streams are synchronized a posteriori using GPS-derived second ticks. He then combines the loop signals using adaptive weighting for minimum QRN level.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 

From: edgar
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:26 AM
Subject: LF: Signal detection question

Hi Group,

I have recorded signals from HGA22, DCF39 and DK7FC from two antenna/receivers at different locations.

The locations are 58 km apart. Recordings are 16 bits, mono, 22050 Hz, and 1.5 hours long.

The "space" signal from HGA22, (135430 Hz) is usually stronger than from DCF39 (138830 Hz).

Is the a method that can use the signals of HGA22 (or DCF39) as a clock (reference) to look for the weak DK7FC signal in the recording?

I am wondering if the two wave files could be synchronised in some way to and then added together to cancel out the noise and highlight the DK7FC signal frequency.

Regards, Edgar
Moonah, Tasmania.


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