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LF: Re: RE: Hartmut Wolff's grabber...

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Subject: LF: Re: RE: Hartmut Wolff's grabber...
From: "Alan Melia" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:38:29 -0000
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Hi Jim I do not know of any better predictor of the probability of good conditions on LF than Dst. One problem is that most things degrade the signal :-)) Also because the ionospheric return is from around 90 to 100km altitude at night, several hops are required for completion of the path. Fading is a big problem with the possibility that, at long wavelengths, multipath may keep the received level depressed for long periods even though the apparent reflection height is continually changing.
 
I have also seen what I have refered to as "leakage", though I am unsure of the mechanism. After long periods of quiet geomagnetic conditions the received signal levels are often disappointing, despite high Dst levels >-20nT. Signals then seem to recover after a low level geomagnetic event, around Kp=4. This low level of activity would not normally show any effect, but after a period of depressed signal levels it will provide a boost. I have the though that though the E-region is ionised mainly from non-solar radiation (cosmic rays etc) and that this may not be sufficient to retain the required refractive index over a long quiet sun period. Could this result in leakage of some of the signal into space ? The additional ionisation due to precipitation from the low level event boosts ionisation at 100km altitude and "plugs the gap"....repairs the leak :-)  I have no hard evidence for this other than subjective observations during quiet periods during the solar minimum. It may be bunkum, but it works for me.
 
There does not seem to be a majik index that predicts "tonight will be good", only a series of effects that can lead to poorer conditions :-((  I guess this uncertainty is what makes LF interesting and challenging.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: hvanesce
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Hartmut Wolff's grabber...

Most interesting Bob,

 

Considering Dst indices and your reports for the last six weeks, is it safe to say that -50 or greater Dst means some bad days in this band, but benign Dsts are only a fair indicator of potentially good conditions (Dst looked good from mid-November through 6 December, for example)? I remember some appreciated counsel from the group in this regard, back in October. Does anyone have a recommendation on a next-best predictive (aiding) metric for propagation quality in this part of the spectrum? Flares? Proton flux? Preferred site for accessing such data?

 

Quite a transition (of signal strength) on Hartmut?s grabber, I?d really like to know what might have caused that. Thanks for some really interesting data Bob, Hartmut et al.

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Raide
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:17 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; Bob Raide
Subject: LF: Hartmut Wolff's grabber...

 

Was beginning to look like a "dead" night coming up on 73 band.  Up till 0045, that is, when suddenly decodes began to appear.  Starting in transmitting WSPR 15 at 2200 this evening no decodes appeared until 0045.  I went to Hartmut's grabber and the reason was obvious.  A signal emerged from nothing to what appeared to be a decodable one.  Been that way all evening with usual mild fading.
Activity on 500 also seemed to pick-up and Stefan was solid on 136 DFCW at that time onward.
It's what I find makes these longer waves interesting, to say the least-Bob, WG2XRS/4 [WG4XRS for short on digi modes] NY




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