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Re: LF: Loop vs Marconi

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Subject: Re: LF: Loop vs Marconi
From: "James Moritz" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:02:22 +0000
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Dear Jay, LF group,

At 06:33 14/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Not sure, but I think you can prove this with a small receive loop while
nulling out a local broadcast station. Tilt the loop even slightly off
vertical and away goes your null in a hurry.
Oh no it doesn't! I have tried this with an LF loop antenna - if you have the loop horizontal, it nulls out everything from all directions, including the QRN. It would appear there really is no vertical H field near the ground for the loop to pick up at LF. Pity really, you could use the horizontal loop as an omnidirectional RX antenna otherwise.
If you do this experiment with a BC band radio, and you imagine a plane 
cutting through the TX and RX, so long as you keep the axis of the ferrite 
rod in this plane (ie. at right angles to the H field), there will be a 
null in the signal however much you tilt the axis of the rod.  Try this 
experiment outdoors, away from metalwork and wires which can distort the 
fields and spoil the null.
If what you suggest about the TX loop antenna were true, the same is true 
of an RX loop antenna. This would mean you would never get a null in 
skywave DX signals with a vertical loop if they arrive at an appreciable 
angle. Experience shows you usually do get a reasonable null.
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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