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Re: LF: VX9MRC QRV 507.77 kHz/ Arcing relays &c.

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Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC QRV 507.77 kHz/ Arcing relays &c.
From: Stefan Schäfer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:52:38 +0200
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Hi Joe,

Maybe you can switch a series LC circuit which is resonant at 1850 kHz parallel to the 0.2 mH coil? For example 200 pF/37uH. You must then re-adjust the 0.2mH coil a bit. Can be calculated or done in an experimental way ;-) Then it would run without a relay. But do you really have 50 kV on that 200uH coil at 500 (137) kHz? That would mean 80 (290) A antenna current...?
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 11.10.2011 03:11, schrieb jcraig@mun.ca:
Hi Alan, Group.

Thank-you for the reply. Multiple contacts in series were considered... but the gap has to
increase by orders magnitude!  How much gap will I need for 50 kV?

Your spiral pie story was most enlightening.  My pies are ~35 turns of
4mm litz about 37 cm diameter with L=0.24 mH. A stack of 4 yields
3mH.  Each pie has ~23 metres of litz.  Do you think this is will give
the most L for the least length of litz?

VX9MRC is still sending the 8 WPM beacon as yours truly looks at a fried
relay...

Cheers
Joe

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Alan Melia wrote:

Hi Joe, why not stick two sets of normal contacts in series....doubles the
gap :-))

Alan

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VX9MRC QRV 507.77 kHz/ Arcing relays &c.


Hello Hartmut, Group.

Good to hear from you again, Hartmut.  Thank-you for  the report.

The beacon is on again, but there was some trouble: to use the tower
on 160m the 500 kHz tuning coil (0.2 mH) is shorted by a relay. The
N.O. contacts on this relay arced over. Perhaps a high voltage (vacuum)
relay would help?

This problem will be much worse on 137.777 kHz with the higher voltage.
I have some spiral wound 4mm (Decca) litz to make up the 3 mH for that
project.  (The spiral winding was inspired by G3NYK's experiments with
tuning coils on his web page.)

73
Joe

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

Am 2011-10-09 23:50, wrote jcraig@mun.ca:
Dear Group,
Reports on the 8 WPM CW beacon will be appreciated!
73
Joe VO1NA
Attached a screenshot of the 8wpm signal. The signal came up at about
23:20
and faded out at about 7:35. The strongest part was between 04:00-06:00
UTC
--
73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp

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