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Re: LF: Ferrite RX antennas

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Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite RX antennas
From: Piotr Mlynarski <sq7mpj@toya.net.pl>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:24:59 +0200
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Stefan Schäfer pisze:
Jim, LF,

I'll try to go on as fast as the distributor and ebay did ;-) So this is the current situation:
Decided to use the 2x7 bundle. The cross section area of 7 pcs. just 
lokks better :-) Also the complete stick is much more handy and robust.
Markus/DF6NM gave me the hint to overlap the inner rod by 50%. So i 
intentionally broke one rod and put the 2 halfs to the inner ends. One 
complete one is now in the inner center.
See: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/ferrite%20antenna%20parts.JPG

Dear Stefan,  LF Group,

when i saw the above picture with one of the ferrite rods inserted half way into the bundle of others packed hexagonaly in a first instant i've asked myself what is the reason Stefan is making a mini-device for slowing down fast neutrons..... ;) Stefan, you have a "nasty" habit of triggering various activities of almost all members of this reflector.. :) You already have created a 8.97 kHz saga and now we start to play with ferrite antenna. - of course, i , too, got infected...
Back to 70's and 80's   the  basic QRO  army equipment in some countries 
was the R-140 TRX  station. Its TX pwr was well above 1 kW in the range 
1.5 - 30 MHz.
On the receiving side , among different wire antenas,  the R-140 setup 
had so called "ferrite receiving antenna" ( polish abbrev.  FAO) for 
RX'ing  ground wave  comms
within  the range 1.5 - 12 MHz. Some time ago i managed to get this 
FAO  antenna on one of domestic auctions.
it has two very big ferrite rods  - see:    
http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/3964686700_1292246389.jpg
one such a  ferrite rod is 450 mm  long and its diameter is 40 mm. ( 
these numbers are refered to  the external housing of the ferrite material)
i put 64 turns of wire on this rod - it comes out with 714 microHenr of 
inductance so approximately 2nF cap resonates this antenna in 137 khz 
region.
It was parallel LC combination so i took  BF245 FET as buffer and 
BC109C as an amplifier.  i put this very ugly/shaky  construction down 
on the floor,
  2 meters from  the  balcony window.  On tthe balcony  i have  1  
square meter loop with 11 turns and  OP27
( see:  http://ik4hdq.net/doc/testi/smlloop.pdf  )

Loop and the ferrite antenna were oriented towards JO52WG grid-location ( dcf39). i have used SDR-IQ with 9 khz span with 137.5 set as mid freq. The ferrite antena ( placed in the middle of the room ! ) performed slightly better than loop placed outside.
ferrite: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/fer.jpg
loop:   http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/loo.jpg
yours, Piotr, sq7mpj
qth: Lodz/jo91rs/

p.s.  still have some time off so i will continue...




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