Thanks Andy and Tom for the suggestions.
Feedline is balanced 450 ohm ladder line w/ #14 conductors.
I'm beginning to think that Bill Ashlock was correct in suggesting that the
extra 10dB loss is due to summer conditions (full foliage etc) compared to
winter conditions and perhaps my reactance readings are unreliable (perhaps
due to stray rf from BC stations)
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Talbot" <[email protected]>
> It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax,
> interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of
> issues. Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a
> crystal
>
> Andy G4JNT
> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
>
>
>
> On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground
> > level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies
> > a
> > few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom
> > of the feeder, all was OK!
> > 73
> > Tom G3OLB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Melia" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
> > Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> >
> >
> > > Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
> > > guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance
> > to
> > > resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work
> > quite
> > > well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
> > > measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
> > > clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
> > > disconnected.
> > >
> > > Good Luck with it
> > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > To: rsgb lf reflector <[email protected]>; rsgb lf reflector
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> > > Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello the list,
> > >>
> > >> I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by
> > >> tying
> > > the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and
> > match
> > > the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
> > > radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
> > > watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different
> > loading
> > > coil successfully.
> > >>
> > >> Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate
> > the
> > > reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
> > > can
> > > do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> > > changing coils and still the problem persists. If I do transmit this
> > way,
> > > my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
> > > antenna
> > > resonated properly. Any thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> > >> FN42hi
> > >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
--- Begin Message ---
It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax, interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of issues. Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a crystal
Andy G4JNT
On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <[email protected]> wrote:
Warren
I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground
level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies a
few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom
of the feeder, all was OK!
73
Tom G3OLB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Melia" <
[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
> guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance to
> resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work quite
> well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
> measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
> clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
> disconnected.
>
> Good Luck with it
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: rsgb lf reflector <
[email protected]>; rsgb lf reflector
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
>
>
>> Hello the list,
>>
>> I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by
>> tying
> the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match
> the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
> radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
> watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading
> coil successfully.
>>
>> Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the
> reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
> can
> do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> changing coils and still the problem persists. If I do transmit this way,
> my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
> antenna
> resonated properly. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
>> FN42hi
>>
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>>
>
>
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