Re: LF: MSK with a Class D transmitter...?

[<jrusgrove@comcast.net>]

Laurence ... and other interested parties

 

Just updated the web page with the improved doubler circuit that I've been using this season. I should have updated this a while ago. While the original circuit worked well on 500 kHz the duty cycle at 137 kHz was far enough off to be of concern. The new circuit is slightly more involved and band specific but the parts are a bit more 'garden variety'.

 

Here's the new circuit:

 

http://www.w1vd.com/X2LinearClassDinterface.html

 

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurence KL7UK

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:25 PM

Subject: RE: LF: MSK with a Class D transmitter...?

http://www.w1vd.com/X2LinearClassDinterface.html  or.....
 
Laurence G4DMA
 

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From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:18:36 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: MSK with a Class D transmitter...?

Its the  shift that's  the  problem  , going  for a  x2  audio  may  drop  you  out  side the  ssb  filter  pass  band .....

From: Andy Talbot

Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:09 PM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Subject: Re: LF: MSK with a Class D transmitter...?

Bin too quick to type..

NOt thinking straight...

 

You need to the upconvert either the resulting doubled audio tone by twice the RF carrier, or upconvert first and double the final RF.  Same ideas for frequency doubling can be used.

 

See http://www.g4jnt.com/LFUpconv.pdf  for a direct from audio upconverter.

 

Must fully check before hitting SEND !

 

Andy

G4JNT

On 20 April 2011 21:50, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> wrote:

I assume you are genrating the MSK from soundcard output, in which case two options come to mind:

 

1)  Double the frequency.  Full wave rectify the audio sinusoid, pass the AC part of the result into a comparator and into the divider.  Alternatively, as the signal bandwidth is probably quite low, square up the audio to start with, feed into one inpiut of an XOR gate.  Delay the waveform by 90 deg and feed this into the othe side of the XOR.    Output of XOR to divider as before

 

2)   Remove the  divide by two, and replace with an inverter / buffer pair to generate the out of phase drive signals.   The  input now needs to be close to a 1:1 squarwave at output frequency.   Pass the soundcard audio into a comparator and make sure it gives a 50% duty cycles.

 

 

Andy

www.g4jnt.com

 

ps.

or 3)    Convince the software author the S/W needs modifying to give a 2.F output

 

 

On 20 April 2011 21:32, Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net> wrote:

Hi All

I wonder if someone can explain to me how to feed an MSK signal into a typical Class D transmitter?

I mean by typical that the TX has a 4013 type /2 system feeding two FET drivers to drive FETs in a push-pull configuration.

If I understand correctly due to the fact MSK does not have amplitude component to its signal that a non-linear transmitter can be used.

So, how do you do this with a Class-D TX as often used in LF/VLF?

Thanks,
Scott
VE7TIL