From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 2 11:42:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MSM_PRIO_REPTO,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v729gkZq006761 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:42:47 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dcpzV-0004AT-Ok for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:30:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dcpzR-0004AK-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:30:53 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-6.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dcpzO-00017k-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:30:52 +0100 Received: from malcoHP ([79.69.154.143]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id cpzLd3siDbjdZcpzLdLAkw; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:30:48 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=1605; t=1501666248; bh=SS1s38DepcxVdPpVTJbQ75j2qNdUDmQfpTT/jalnpD4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=eBjC795K0yFfgNcEGxg/yqrFTdnmMmqeXnh+LQipP7EeFma46nKb2ftxJmJxmxjkP bFBR2wK3y6BD0aic2pydqBLbrK15BQ3H7v1UZ18WHfmzngk+vfrRnOsDHEbu2WTyRV fQlku4ZV8peE8v7vKcaQBMxreVspvsCJJFQtliDo= X-Originating-IP: [79.69.154.143] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.2 cv=ONFX5WSB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:117 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=JyZsw3pnmue5cKBXSJIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=TazdMWDB9nhLzNob5okA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Message-ID: From: "mal hamilton" To: , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAy8xpxg4vPHk8VzmVaxX5LNy6oDZLB07Wg+P8v4OiZ0lvZzI9ADVemlpqvqcysoZy8G1z1dq0ZExSmQh8vtgJMuqwyZIPUf2s1yiVwmnUCiewWbK/9S 3oV6MI66EwG3p6+jNCAU4/S4XK1QHEUUgv/axE8zphX0GBVjwKlUaDc7MFYeWn23Zbbbxw3Wg3EeYeP1es3fbdOUUvPxRmBl0tKRHiKNVCWRdx9MQ3rZY+Rd X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: LF: TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01D30B7A.67A8D5B0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12313 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01D30B7A.67A8D5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TEST DE G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01D30B7A.67A8D5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01D30B7A.67A8D5B0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 2 11:54:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v729rwCY006800 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:53:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dcqEc-0004GV-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:46:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dcqEa-0004GM-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:46:32 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-6.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dcqEX-0001DC-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:46:31 +0100 Received: from malcoHP ([79.69.154.143]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id cqEWd3uyRbjdZcqEWdLCES; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:46:29 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=1605; t=1501667189; bh=j6EijJsYiIucVuvKAR2ERo9BSEua+jfStcB3mM0agcw=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=RWyRdcvFN1Ge/odY5KvrAZA6op9PGkAVBHzxuermCHNE+zhEDD2VdS4vZs/x4rAyo iMICCFV7DNbIN/h1Bz3jUBzG2brGjo88iJgnJGF+TT+uKshUBQuDZo4+l0r/LiujpE 4xjtSELjwLfgr16PKVjh8VBGyb1Denw3f1qRvpBk= X-Originating-IP: [79.69.154.143] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.2 cv=ONFX5WSB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:117 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:17 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=GoqwstHNAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=VyABpsLdxnayOzDGzUYA:9 a=gp4f37Vrgfgxz7k3:21 a=d7S9bwmwySh5JIJ0:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=ab5jZ2Eirzg5UulmNNkA:9 a=FGh4YjDAuXrilUnG:21 a=gfgi7erVOiAu9TaI:21 a=cyG7EFycyQbAAnCA:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=oTwB1A9rbfsA:10 a=5letXc1NyAMA:10 a=1GSbIA61q4gA:10 a=aif6eW07jeEVVZOP0pFm:22 a=fK1jZSgjKPFatbRoI9mg:22 a=5aLEZlHgtCWrS4oMx5Sh:22 Message-ID: <57E4250A198C446A8AB0D9889E9E988F@malcoHP> From: "mal hamilton" To: , Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:46:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfH3w8pARRwGSATmTbqaA4QqMNtWB4au+2QTf5wVTu9+wiQHbRfkFZAAEz1oRS+dqGP98aKW4NgPHv7zh8XNmudn7fuLbCR41IsquEHu5i6g1ewidx+/q 0fykNyA4dIAR53Z2c2YO0RfR2ja3mO/LWllUdUu2TfVlNM7KYDyIAItC8UX7/s552tROqYFO0WANFP4gUdyW65juYFNZAfRIXdEOYwjxjcQjGzgQ2OSbCgKw X-Scan-Signature: 1cb78c31825c7c80b3149495a451aa69 Subject: LF: Fw: [rsgb_lf_group] Re:: 472kHz Friday evening anyone? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01D30B7C.987CEAD0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12314 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D30B7C.987CEAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: mailto:rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 4:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re:: 472kHz Friday evening anyone? =20 Dave Will look out for u on CW early afternoon I am getting into dk7fc over 800 Km mid day daily on wspr Plus other EU stns gl de Mal/G3KEV G3KEV=20 On 29 Jul 2017, at 09:04, g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group] = wrote: =20 GM LF, I listened and called yesterday from 20.30 to 21.30 GMT around 472.5 = kHz=20 There were a few odd cheeps and chirps of about S7 but no discernable = CW 73 Chris G3XIZ __._,_.___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Posted by: Mal Hamilton =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Reply via web post =E2=80=A2 Reply to sender =E2=80=A2 Reply to = group =E2=80=A2 Start a new topic =E2=80=A2 Messages in this topic (3) = =20 Visit Your Group=20 =E2=80=A2 Privacy =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 Terms of Use=20 . =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D30B7C.987CEAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
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On 29 Jul 2017, at 09:04, g3xiz@yahoo.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group] = <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk>=20 wrote:

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GM LF,

I listened and called yesterday from 20.30 to 21.30 = GMT=20 around 472.5 kHz
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73
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[82.70.254.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 52sm478131wrt.38.2017.08.03.07.18.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2017 07:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 15:18:34 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12315 Hello LF'ers, My next contemplated project is a GS35B valve based LF amp. I have the HT supply, a couple of GS35B's to play with and a suitable filament supply. My question is can I build an air wound LPF based on exactly the same values as the one I use on my W1VD FET based Class D amp? That gets pretty warm and I use a small PC processor fan on the centre toroid, but I am unsure if the filter characteristics are specific to a FET based amp in some ways? W1VD amp schematic here: http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-KWTX.html (1 kW amplifier) http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-KWRev3.0.pdf W1VD LPF details here: http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.html http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.pdf -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 3 19:18:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v73HI75j009366 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 19:18:08 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddJgh-0005zs-3S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:13:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddJgg-0005zj-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:13:30 +0100 Received: from rgout0106.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.126] helo=rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddJgc-00081h-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:13:29 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 59745064012E0149; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:13:22 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1501780406; bh=SvN0JwCO5WF7FyWxjs3OOyHK3+vpdSueWV+gUMAtZyo=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=NDsPJI4xUfMQGM6rtVuUZJ8MWS4W/Jf1PU6GSpQ1m7MscKsOJcyC5D4ybXnkFB82KMlcPEJybWZ2zE2L/rElbd9oSBeLCoa6ACeGzn48LI9bUpPPtECvH5wLUOXPjdpR65Srs8jbiBNYHESMqgdAHYakA5mLTaaU9oCmNhpjKrQ= Message-ID: From: "Alan Melia" To: , Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2017 18:13:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 7aa9ad08848e488e22e0ff1d71f4ef1d Subject: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12316 As a few of you may know Dave Powis G4HUP a long time provider of interesting kits marketed a calibrated antenna current meter using a clip on ferrite sensor. Sadly Dave died suddenly in April and it has fallen to some of his mates and ex-collegues to liquidate the remaining stock. You may find technical details on Dave's Web site which is still live though not accepting orders. see http://huprf.com/huprf/rf-current-meter/ The remaining stock is limited and when it's gone, it's gone If you are interested in obtaining one of these please contact me personally (start a new message dont use the Reply button) at alan.melia@btinternet.com for details PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME ON THE LIST/FORUM I WILL NOT REPLY Alan G3NYK From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 10:05:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7484s0A010511 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 10:04:55 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddXRd-0006qj-Ip for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74CGJMH010934 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 14:16:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddbRD-0007Fc-Gm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:10:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddbRC-0007FT-A9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:10:42 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddbR7-00038C-SE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 13:10:41 +0100 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.208.144.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lu8Ri-1dUHoT2XA6-011R1A for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:10:36 +0200 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 14:10:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdMMY8KZ2MZzctl4QkS96zqVwx329gAtXsBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:22XPdnNN/K1V6oxWWPjZoJz+r6offvfpZmzpAoegiCINbjyqGeM iYLqP0Y5akbS5IIEdbzv7glomC9F1oOCnWs6TutwyX43vFqyRqKR+7YMT89ZPRvhtq9kdOw K4Ay08JF06jHJI5Q2zEZknUAswdWuBt4csRHEbNEOya9nlge3zDkgipCh4F401Z8o90Z2Pv K0eW2+GIGvDEqVGyNRmOQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:YL0mC+Qtme0=:j7jNdpvUT8SHCr3yLl5uW6 2d5+QP6x13aY5e5c+liI216+5mRBJ3Jo4p+pQwbq6pfRfgWLJqrNin1Zqse4F2yUOfzmh5/+j jJVU9p71wgjwutEK+3kekxPeD2ANJ8jbenEra1TCN4EuSfX47DgPIrGXBsOl+MPCEeBqUZp24 wr5b8uSKNjPfH2xltDYF9Lqc3lBmKyOFwbCryFTyh7c9H+uG6xCjefJeIPuf847lIgIB9OX1I 08D8on9Ib5f36QMYtCkKsquZabF+k3VRr1Oi/bpdSTX3bGkLwy9L7xV5qXe6cfGMQpiIXV7Ib Ohe5/5WSdY4ALcO6AzvLYoq3cjMi0YzUmLbtDWVK9/ps//5nDUKOos1g3BlDHgEJ+VYK98ifg n3iVikBRViaRvSOHb3C1pzLMetrxHa8Q13obWcxSjT9cwvG465U9Grs3O3EU0qG+SHBmEHzxr EzpO7fE7bazCju3MR9wWbGlL5rkJONt2Q2DfyvUiVRkRZYLrLzYnQ1M2rlsyuWBVDFwqGgZds 5xCWYwHtV4W9FG0Y0Ge7TpXRO7dP00RG5Jl5iBgLwpL/HqYWjY2ACsfm1JYTLl7hqST0pdWiB LIunwTB9nGI/1Pb6Nn/jop276n+wE27QRgJG0rt6vLQbcZkLi0ZZ01GKgehbjeQxgl9SPBSjw D2GrGkMLx+yCMEHnvDQGtcGz4Eot3/ZI3HFcPgIrscvllUdrGG2SvZz9SMhr6QGw8pA7ZFaMr WRi6CJp1GEctfXCW0r+nPagUcIe6kVTwdf3SWOOYzduKsOnBPn+db6uXJ9dZ5p1vukjUPuwja uHQ/3WtKUIwr+oTZGo/xkADxywMaeOssaHONmFZsb8yVxtYpAc= X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v74CGJMH010934 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12318 Hi Chris, at the risk to state the obvious: A LPF of a solid state PA has 50 Ohms in- and output impedance. A tube type PA needs a LPF which transforms from several kOhms on the tube side to 50 Ohms at the output. Therefore the values for the lumped reactances differ considerably from the non-transforming LPF. Moreover design parameters like optimum loaded Q for the needed flyweel effect etc. come into play. The ARRL Handbook,also old versions, cover this subject in depth. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Chris Wilson >Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:19 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk >Subject: LF: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? > >Hello LF'ers, > > >My next contemplated project is a GS35B valve based LF amp. I have the >HT supply, a couple of GS35B's to play with and a suitable filament >supply. My question is can I build an air wound LPF based on exactly >the same values as the one I use on my W1VD FET based Class D amp? >That gets pretty warm and I use a small PC processor fan on the centre >toroid, but I am unsure if the filter characteristics are specific to >a FET based amp in some ways? > >W1VD amp schematic here: http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-KWTX.html (1 >kW amplifier) http://www.w1vd.com/137-500-KWRev3.0.pdf > > > >W1VD LPF details here: http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.html > >http://www.w1vd.com/LPF.pdf > > > >-- >Best regards, > Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com > > > >--- >Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft. >http://www.avg.com > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 15:28:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74DSoJ6011077 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:28:55 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddcaC-0007QN-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:24:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddcaC-0007QE-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:24:04 +0100 Received: from mailout12.t-online.de ([194.25.134.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddca9-0003Pu-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:24:02 +0100 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de (fwd27.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.132]) by mailout12.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 28B2F41F088B for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (GvX4ewZArhV1PWD115ndrgrw1vZ2MeDfvO2n7m6lWLfO+9Cc7LZyD8QWg71fzd8Zeo@[31.212.58.226]) by fwd27.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1ddca6-1KffdI0; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:23:58 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> From: "Dr. Wolf Ostwald" Message-ID: <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:24:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-ID: GvX4ewZArhV1PWD115ndrgrw1vZ2MeDfvO2n7m6lWLfO+9Cc7LZyD8QWg71fzd8Zeo X-TOI-MSGID: 70761556-10cc-41d2-a001-c12c9532d2f4 X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: Re: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12319 hi ! i think the question was about the LPF , not the tank circuit. LPF yes, if its 50 Ohms to 50 Ohms, same for all types of RF-generator. If components like feed lines and generator and load impedance all the same. Tank circuit very different, but that i read , was not the question. 73 de wolf From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 15:38:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74DcoQg011085 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:38:51 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddckm-0007XK-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:35:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddckk-0007XB-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:34:58 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddckg-0003UQ-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:34:57 +0100 Received: from fwd40.aul.t-online.de (fwd40.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.139]) by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 9575E41C3942 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:34:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (Eky9aBZUrhVRJCbXjl5aTGfB1k3zD4uQURrUgeqElENP3ivgExYD6WiMqFjlxRggGF@[31.212.58.226]) by fwd40.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1ddckZ-1R3N0i0; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:34:47 +0200 From: "Dr. Wolf Ostwald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:34:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> X-ID: Eky9aBZUrhVRJCbXjl5aTGfB1k3zD4uQURrUgeqElENP3ivgExYD6WiMqFjlxRggGF X-TOI-MSGID: b2498a6e-3124-49e5-bc61-2573832e068d X-Scan-Signature: 6aac716dc074d63ee3780b79bbe46b5d Subject: Re: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12320 hi ! I found an online calculator that allows to set the Q and the impedance for a tank circuit. http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/calculators/pi_tank.php most others are only giving a resonance equation. Which is bull for the given application. 73 de wolf df2py From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 15:40:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74De6HX011092 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:40:07 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddcmD-0007Y0-Qn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:36:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddcmC-0007Xq-OQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:36:28 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddcm8-0003V8-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 14:36:27 +0100 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.208.144.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LqiJO-1d9V1330F8-00eI3o for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:36:24 +0200 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdMNJSkyrp0wBBI2Sr+Zv+yCQ66OcgAAIlQA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:mjqrdMKQ/jjfDVJk4ruWkBgSpShgglwdhtJIuwW27bZbDK8VX7l pouLM9YbzdnlKaWKwbiXJT7cdpAV9KB2R773I5sQpQ7ClwI78pepC4JUx1cqsTXoJeiLk2A UqOmDrsVGYZayk/jtAKfL9Jp16Zy6LWEJMD9K4XE1xh2U0E3n1EiOw550DZJl5zJU96aNOP /jSkx3PdPxwuyus3z1ktw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:4f17ccV2gdY=:c8RhCTWUmFezF9FnfsVdMP PgSKPRgB0JwMDUGh3Ol9RXmrQE+kPeMQuzSq2DGs57gBm5Tb523qvQE8hgwf9Eiy2+lHrOziR RVB4UOQBFMCdUK+O86X/i0svCA2l37h57eFDf//l6DQB0n029dPXI9d5ukdKF+SBsMpjWG0bT 9zBjY8JJEp1RFYvlOylqs55CIVjMq3uKskPDRORicSi0iNNPlLhPdxrayeYb0wmluf5KI+NEF 0RkNoviFyTrGVyZ2/gh+YukqozwXaHBlUHIuFr5fzUTY7oS38Nhodhp4Gh38mRXWVqLujpoRD ewgeVnw6XWOrRstz/iPsTBEsCU3Nnh2/0jsGrYLxhv8zSJoz6EntJeSHQY03fr6F+lvCithIB hgj9GR+3VxZ+CmMml+2MI00UproQpaT7rJwQhadTdz3JJL+42V4bI6WvGACOWu3MOHLMUidIL LRx8VW6iG50FWVgBNVy3e95WXE9/SPmlANd7XVfsGq1HgUfU4R4GxNIPr9MaVE6/6B1mQsvHq 9cu2QKy0nURT1gPDZ9Q522MllCV+EqFVXj1zbcWnq25MMnciYJ+Jdy/PLpj8WuPw7wALprED3 I73GpKegccRHAnntoauQqLzECIuTzdD9MyN5qEhtPif7DlDMIPBKf3BxC1DrS4Lm0y9GvdYc6 ryfZ6MkQ4nBDAYBlg5ASsRvwkHxpeh4AfRw4Xxvo7OOz4PqHXFy2JESJ78G7UTjDKZ4jkRYqd cvNQGYfekNorwpk/JPVqCqytjN0OPZpIkYawTabnRqloEhmNCMnGj/5+2Q4HE4cYVsd2RQSi0 kuFELcmlnIAp0gesjjWSD3xUgmC3Iv1w7vy5/QoMk5tHaglIdU= X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: RE: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v74De6HX011092 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12321 Hi Wolf, ok about the tank circuit. Do you think that it does not provide enough attenuation for the harmonics so that you need an extra LPF on LF? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dr. >Wolf Ostwald >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:24 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? > >hi ! >i think the question was about the LPF , not the tank circuit. >LPF yes, if its 50 Ohms to 50 Ohms, same for all types of >RF-generator. >If components like feed lines and generator and load impedance >all the same. >Tank circuit very different, but that i read , was not the question. > >73 de wolf > > >--- >Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft. >http://www.avg.com > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 16:41:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74EfYim011226 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:41:35 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dddg8-0007ov-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:34:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dddg4-0007ok-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:34:12 +0100 Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dddg1-0003lu-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:34:10 +0100 Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id m85so21411255wma.0 for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 07:34:09 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xFG8diUATlVn67Js5SdJsOcPvUaQIOkatLuH+1MURcA=; b=AU+cw+CAeiiYwaN9GTzbbP1Ky/FfknupxXQtzsoHUhTAjtFo23B+J0v1EuJmCkrctC JCvsleaOzNQ3T/tkX0UiH/uCbCAAU/XocBrOnpAhrZv5KobUkKZ6p/dyXrVTEVPEymGG GBwj10dnhTpfmdjC5IVaE6baX3xdrVubrifvJ9+FhsTDKe8/6DTqucU8LV+BSg85hSAq ZJnUQLJBXLOhfzOvsxJlnUtgUzKIb1NN4/yMclD9IP5rSULMjixDYvJtc4czfU1TR8sD dkSI9RSn5JR/UblGtb6B+AWGG6EN7hZZmkS96C2gu+MTENYtnMkIcXxjNWUKZoUpF/RQ Y5Yg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xFG8diUATlVn67Js5SdJsOcPvUaQIOkatLuH+1MURcA=; b=Ze2XFEIqDfPuWVGoebyIgYjF2mEv8lpIwvkX6O3NrfjWcAec0UdEqAsynAzDUK+69z foxfSf+k0YhF3tfR1fAvmPKiLjt5NtQw5ev+PQx5Sm2HdiWWbFRaGdK+4rWbMcOd63tu RETjNHnCDz7943dbKRR7w3Y1lhZfSjqEDelXtWCp8oQloQUk5wIsiPgV1QkEZWlGz8KZ fe3XrahsJlFJTZ5M5022P3uGAOLV0geKslaS6O2bwHCRFlwrx4dpiuG2ckuoeHGGgtI0 o4a97KmdyOYbZkOR0ZqSUwp4stC3ISsJITOLtef6HR9esZfkNuAejV1X0hFioqBwZkNC vRtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5ixBYERxOmKWjR7YrZKcNQzwAy4aCVtU8hI6aw/8E2Qrg0mvbq6 R2cxPnSOSMC03rZX X-Received: by 10.28.218.201 with SMTP id r192mr1798238wmg.36.1501857248211; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 07:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OfficeWin7.lan (82-70-254-222.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk. [82.70.254.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a134sm3614007wma.47.2017.08.04.07.34.07 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Aug 2017 07:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:34:06 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <42526801.20170804153406@gmail.com> To: Clemens Paul In-Reply-To: References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12322 Hello Clemens, Friday, August 4, 2017, 2:36:22 PM, you wrote: > Hi Wolf, > ok about the tank circuit. > Do you think that it does not provide enough attenuation for the harmonics > so that you need an extra LPF on LF? > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ Thanks for the replies, I was wondering this myself as few tube amps use an LPF.... Opinions very welcome (and needed ;)) I was going to drive it with one of my FET amps on a lowish voltage, not sure how much drive a GS35B would need to give a healthy output though, 50 watts maybe? More? -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 17:28:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74FSd5U011315 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:28:41 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddeRw-0007z0-NI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 16:23:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddeRt-0007yr-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 16:23:37 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddeRr-0003ze-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 16:23:36 +0100 Received: from fwd21.aul.t-online.de (fwd21.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.66]) by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6200941F671A for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (E2IHniZYZhR+QGHiWTUM1nm45w-MJojBg3JdmDz0AvEGn622bR+HnXsIaagmMDVZmW@[31.212.58.226]) by fwd21.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1ddeRl-0EoAIi0; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:23:29 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <791401561.20170803151834@gmail.com> <9eb8f313-3b17-9da7-7e3e-3d77b2137080@t-online.de> <42526801.20170804153406@gmail.com> From: "Dr. Wolf Ostwald" Message-ID: <0694e0a6-7bc0-9f8d-c11c-0ba18bc93155@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 17:23:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42526801.20170804153406@gmail.com> X-ID: E2IHniZYZhR+QGHiWTUM1nm45w-MJojBg3JdmDz0AvEGn622bR+HnXsIaagmMDVZmW X-TOI-MSGID: f55481ad-7e85-440d-a4f3-6d8ff4c73247 X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: Re: LF: RE: LPF for a valve based (tube based) LF amp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12323 Hi Chris and Clemens, surely a Pi-circuit provides a much greater selectivity than an ordinary push-pull amp by itself. Which resembles a frequency multiplier. If one does not need many bands to cater to, a so called Pi-L circuit does an extra 10db attenuation of harmonics on the average. it does consists of a series L with output of the traditional Pi-circuit forming an extra selctive component with the output C , which is to ground. All commercial RF amps by Collins Radio Corp. had Pi-L outputs. A bit tricky to adjust on multi band amps, but on a monoband amp its just a fixed inductivity. Needles to say that an outboard 5-7-or even 9 pole Tchebycheff filter does much better. I use a 3 and a 5 pole in series. Just as it was developed. And here working on the tube amp as well. 73 de wolf df2py From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 22:48:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74Km4e7011585 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:48:06 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddjLX-0008UT-NG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:37:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddjLK-0008UK-2l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:37:10 +0100 Received: from rgout0803.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.150]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddjLH-000535-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 21:37:08 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 58BFF0800FEB4FD3; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 21:37:05 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1501879027; bh=7uhLxff6g4RRPrhv8WKm7h3qh6dL7YHpfC8CIGHwA8s=; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=oasJfzcHtN2NUrt2J8HTVtwFW+s2i986TQAhve1uuiKaBVto+QmhKRybMxQqMm9zSGNFi5582I3hq6BoVEYfKtdzaRo1pdDlRM3Khk0APo1ACczwhWB1BQcbjbk/ahvFMqeNCJXsHbHtECMWG3W2mfR1+ySq4PEjkFcF9ElnY6k= Message-ID: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: , Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 21:36:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: aee9e5eeb35c86f052d502ac97832558 Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 12324 It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for some of the LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the range up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has not been tested at this level of RF. These cores are used on mains leads carrying up to 13A so I think they will be OK. Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still available. Alan G3NYK From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 4 23:59:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v74Lx3Bl011679 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:59:05 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddkXS-0000EX-ME for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 22:53:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddkX0-0000EO-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 22:53:18 +0100 Received: from lethe.lipkowski.org ([178.32.151.135] helo=lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddkWu-0005I1-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12325 On Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Alan Melia wrote: > It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for some > of the LF QRO merchants. for qro you can buy cheap ex-warsaw pact "antenna equivalent". these are boxes which have an rf thermocouple ammeter (3A or 10A), and RC in series (usually 10ohm and 68pF, which simulates a 4m rod antenna). these were used for silent tuning of transmitters. description here: https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/2017/08/04/ekwiwalent-anteny-4m/ they do appear from time to time, i got mine for 50zl (abt 12 euro) VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 00:34:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 12326 Hi Jacek, Yes I have been collecting thermocouple meters for about 60 years. The problem with them is they are very fragile. In the UK it is generally the case that any meter offered is usually of 1940s vintage and invariably the thermal link is fused. I even played with repairing them but not really knowing what the couple was I was not successful. I keep the working ones for occasional calibration checks. I even saw no reason why you should not be able to shunt them ......but that didnt work too well....probably because of the difference between the DC and RF resistances. The ferrite transformer circuit is very rugged and I have used it over the years since toroids became easily available. I remember an RSGB Convention about 2002 when Geri brought some 3A meters thermocouple meters (I dont remember the origin) over and sold the lot. They may have been from a similar source. It is a bit like the HP and Marconi wattmeters, the thin-film sensors are very fragile, and very expensive to repair but you can easily make a unit with modern ICs that is almost as good and nowhere near so traumatic it you overload it :-)) Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacek Lipkowski" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > On Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Alan Melia wrote: > >> It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for >> some of the LF QRO merchants. > > for qro you can buy cheap ex-warsaw pact "antenna equivalent". these are > boxes which have an rf thermocouple ammeter (3A or 10A), and RC in series > (usually 10ohm and 68pF, which simulates a 4m rod antenna). these were > used for silent tuning of transmitters. > > description here: > > https://klubnl.pl/wpr/en/index.php/2017/08/04/ekwiwalent-anteny-4m/ > > they do appear from time to time, i got mine for 50zl (abt 12 euro) > > VY 73 > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 07:50:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS,T_HK_NAME_DR autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v755oNnl012259 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 07:50:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddrnk-000179-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 06:39:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddrnO-000170-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 06:38:42 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddrnL-0006S8-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 06:38:41 +0100 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de (fwd33.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.144]) by mailout09.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B063424BEF7 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 07:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (TFwEUoZarhIZl6jEMw998vtlMlUtxVYyYz99LTt+sJKMlFP8SSiNpjk7r3a2V2Ew7m@[31.212.22.23]) by fwd33.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1ddrnJ-1XmnFg0; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 07:38:37 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> From: "Dr. Wolf Ostwald" Message-ID: <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 07:38:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> X-ID: TFwEUoZarhIZl6jEMw998vtlMlUtxVYyYz99LTt+sJKMlFP8SSiNpjk7r3a2V2Ew7m X-TOI-MSGID: 9f806124-faf1-4e83-ac32-4a7949e76e33 X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12327 good morning ! a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a very risky thing. As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on with a single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts they got hot and broke. The losses can be extremely high. It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not much to do with frequency dependent losses. a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage across the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side of the resistor terminals. If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You dont want it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes. The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a high inductance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, depending on the safety factor involved with ur construction . 73 de wolf df2py From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 08:54:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v756sllg012349 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:54:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddsud-0001Jn-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:50:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddsu7-0001JZ-B9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:49:43 +0100 Received: from lethe.lipkowski.org ([178.32.151.135] helo=lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddsu3-0006f0-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:49:41 +0100 Received: from mailn.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v756ndt6012339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:49:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by mailn.lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id v756ndm2012335 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:49:39 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: mailn.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:49:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> Message-ID: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 on 10.1.3.10 X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12328 On Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Jacek, Yes I have been collecting thermocouple meters for about 60 years. > The problem with them is they are very fragile. In the UK it is generally the > case that any meter offered is usually of 1940s vintage and invariably the > thermal link is fused. [...] these are probably from the '70s. i have one, and Marcin SQ2BXI has another and both work (i know this isn't a big sample size). these seem to appear in batches at auction sites. i haven't seen them for a year, but can let you know when they appear again if you want one for your collection. they may also be more often avaliable from russian, ukrainian etc sellers right now on allegro (e-bay like auction site) there is a 10A rf ammeter and 1kW load (used for tuning the R140 military station PA), but not as cheap (319zl + shipping, exchange rate is about 4.2 zl/euro): http://allegro.pl/sztuczne-obciazenie-1kw-50ohm-amperomierz-w-cz-i6904818052.html VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 08:59:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v756xUlf012364 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:59:31 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddt04-0001Ps-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:55:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddt01-0001Pf-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:55:49 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([2001:748:100:40::2:5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddszy-0006iQ-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 07:55:48 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.141] (helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.89 #1) id 1ddszt-0007fJ-JU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:55:41 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:35476 helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1ddszt-0000v1-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:55:41 +0200 Received: from mx6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.16]:43942) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1ddsxO-0000NY-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:53:06 +0200 Received: from x4d08385d.dyn.telefonica.de ([77.8.56.93]:64502 helo=[192.168.178.26]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.89 #1) id 1ddsxO-0004yk-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:53:06 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Wolfgang_B=c3=bcscher?= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:53:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> X-Originated-At: 77.8.56.93!64502 X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: Re: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12329 ... and never forget to wind a 'secondary' over the current transformer, always terminated with low resistance. Otherwise you will quickly saturate it, which is something that NO current transformer will tolerate at moderate levels ! Running a current transformer with an "open secondary" (or non-existing secondary) should be avoided. Cheers, Wolf . Am 05.08.2017 um 07:38 schrieb Dr. Wolf Ostwald: > good morning ! > a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a > very risky thing. > As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. > But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on > with a single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts > they got hot and broke. > The losses can be extremely high. > It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not > much to do with frequency dependent losses. > a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage > across the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side > of the resistor terminals. > If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You > dont want it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes. > The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a > high inductance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, > depending on the safety factor involved with ur construction . > > 73 de wolf df2py > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 09:13:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v757DJcl012393 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 09:13:20 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddtCk-0001Xj-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:08:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddtCU-0001XY-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:08:42 +0100 Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddtCP-0006nL-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:08:39 +0100 Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id d17so14388482lfe.0 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:08:36 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Iq57rxlXCKY5bD2m5tR16sI8QN+57mUVzOS6xlOAkP8=; b=B3WgosuSn11s14cfcU6k6abVwP35A6b385u3oJDUS1DBJKVQM8ruCSON9HhPlrC3o0 YPws/aQTGUZpwMIsO5ZT/UowB3RuhIdQSTm6SBLhTC1Bxfor1BwFCY68GYIW1leEehnN TpJmPYeXdmfFiRIyJVF6sXwDRhp6XeGgHXSmmlndcUROAjUm10QsRAlbaPgfXHO8Ba6r n6UCy6LwmSA6LQ7Wm+wnU0FH/32Jq8Bmzloz1OSHjYduIBPqRnnpqx4G7Z8GJaH6G1du +LqhnSrUOQe0xFEn4Sdvq12lMKxADHORRgKUNQK/k2zTLbNvSYx6Dfavst7jH5F9aU+i Qecw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Iq57rxlXCKY5bD2m5tR16sI8QN+57mUVzOS6xlOAkP8=; b=VdXKfiK59pCGWHDFDWfB8m45nXIr3ZDfe5gd77YRPvEYHhaSYy34pkcldJMWUFh+Od 9g+7+M1txPGqOT/dMHGY5IIxeuhlRCCQZXULgjCbGWukT9YR8uRquYMSaJXx2PZ6o146 HeiuR0xPli1jhzwr1FFrsuxnQ9W/6JeUW7Se7HEOD5XB+FzZqJgWCsCrtmY1fwoBtXn1 oozOyctbGs6VEZN2JHVSl/qqQBfL1NJjDaDU/5xOXiD6QhOo+7ai9lQWbuZLtPzhti6B r1amgskjehdwR2MfKnX2rNBsiw69k1viut4QvX1vbZ6P4SSsKs6t5H8msvd8dkk0fibQ BpPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iwYHihqV5+gFFOEL/bdl/vD8baKo3Fj6G+m2G0drEZSKkNfnTG QgHzDtNMt1AJHN2zaKWYLcuMoV8cXKsn X-Received: by 10.25.59.213 with SMTP id d82mr1328366lfl.37.1501916914675; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 00:08:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.22.169 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 00:08:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> From: Andy Talbot Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 982d53dbb4bb82e9ed4f38562b2a1556 Subject: Re: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c148b842e75e40555fc4810" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12330 --94eb2c148b842e75e40555fc4810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leaving the secondary of a current transformer open-circuit once caused half a city to be blacked out when the 400kV grid network tripped http://www.g4jnt.com/Hams_Hall_Investigation_Report.pdf Quite a long report, but well worth a read. Paragraph 69 covers the findings that smoke was coming from the control equipment as a current transfomrer hadce been withdrawn from servicwe, but left in place witho O/C secondary. Andy G4JNT On 5 August 2017 at 07:53, Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher wrote: > ... and never forget to wind a 'secondary' over the current transformer, > always terminated with low resistance. Otherwise you will quickly saturat= e > it, which is something that NO current transformer will tolerate at > moderate levels ! > Running a current transformer with an "open secondary" (or non-existing > secondary) should be avoided. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > Am 05.08.2017 um 07:38 schrieb Dr. Wolf Ostwald: > >> good morning ! >> a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a >> very risky thing. >> As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. >> But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on wit= h >> a single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts they got = hot >> and broke. >> The losses can be extremely high. >> It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not muc= h >> to do with frequency dependent losses. >> a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage >> across the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side of = the >> resistor terminals. >> If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You dont >> want it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes. >> The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a high >> inductance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, depending o= n >> the safety factor involved with ur construction . >> >> 73 de wolf df2py >> >> > > --94eb2c148b842e75e40555fc4810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Leaving the secondary of a current transformer open-circui= t =C2=A0once caused half a city to be blacked out when the 400kV grid netwo= rk tripped


Quite a long report, but well worth a = read.=C2=A0 Paragraph 69 covers the findings that smoke was coming from the= control equipment as a current transfomrer hadce been withdrawn from servi= cwe, but left in place witho O/C secondary.

Andy = =C2=A0G4JNT

On 5 August 2017 at 07:53, Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher &l= t;dl4yhf@freenet.de<= /a>> wrote:
... and never forge= t to wind a 'secondary' over the current transformer, always termin= ated with low resistance. Otherwise you will quickly saturate it, which is = something that NO current transformer will tolerate at moderate levels ! Running a current transformer with an "open secondary" (or non-ex= isting secondary) should be avoided.

Cheers,
=C2=A0Wolf .

Am 05.08.2017 um 07:38 schrieb Dr. Wolf Ostwald:
good morning !
a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a very= risky thing.
As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on with a= single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts they got hot = and broke.
The losses can be extremely high.
It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not much t= o do with frequency dependent losses.
a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage across= the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side of= the resistor terminals.
If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You dont wan= t it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes.
The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a high ind= uctance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, depending on the = safety factor involved with ur construction .

73 de wolf=C2=A0 =C2=A0df2py




--94eb2c148b842e75e40555fc4810-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 10:40:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v758eZHW012521 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:40:37 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dduZI-0001oe-Vl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:36:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dduZI-0001oV-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:36:20 +0100 Received: from mx-out.tlen.pl ([193.222.135.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dduZE-00079L-Ni for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:36:19 +0100 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.tlen.pl 10889 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2017 10:29:33 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (HELO localhost) ([127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.tlen.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2017 10:29:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: GWP-Draft Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:29:33 +0200 Message-ID: <28c2e9e84cb64f2e8cc20131b790f7a3@grupawp.pl> In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?bxi=40go2=2Epl?= To: =?UTF-8?Q?rsgb=5Flf=5Fgroup=40blacksheep=2Eorg?= X-FactoryStamp: H--- X-Originator: 89.71.152.179 X-WP-MailID: 9f11a76d01c2c2c3f248a98f541efd56 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty o2 X-WP-SPAM: NO 0000010 [sdPE] X-Scan-Signature: 318d3d373f5ffaa82e0969bd1985b258 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2PQAKLGIRUQJAYDJOOGTJnhgwp" Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?Q?Odp=3A_Re=3A_LF=3A_RE=3AG4HUP_aerial_current_meter?= X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12331 --2PQAKLGIRUQJAYDJOOGTJnhgwp Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi I have been using a military "antenna equivalent" for a ver= y long time . I paid for it about one euro. Cost at the moment is 3-5 euros. It has been working very well for years but when built on ferrite cores it burned. It's a solid military CCCP construction , it has worked in 50Hz =E2=80=93 7,5MHz frequencies. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI Dnia 5 sierpnia 2017 08:54 Jacek Lipkowski <sq5bpf@lip= kowski.org> napisa=C5=82(a): On Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Alan Melia wrote: Hi Jacek, Yes I have been collecting thermocouple meters for about 60 year= s. The problem with them is they are very fragile. In the UK it is generally = the case that any =C2=A0meter offered is usually of 1940s vintage and invariab= ly the thermal link is fused. [...] these are probably from the '70s. i have one, and Marcin SQ2BXI has another and both work (i know this isn't a big sample size). these seem to appear in batches at auction sites. i haven't seen them = for a year, but can let you know when they appear again if you want one for your collection. they may also be more often avaliable from russian, ukrainian etc sellers right now on allegro (e-bay like auction site) there is a 10A rf ammeter and 1kW load (used for tuning the R140 military station PA), but not as cheap (319zl + shipping, exchange rate is about 4.2 zl/euro): allegro.pl allegro.pl VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF=0D --2PQAKLGIRUQJAYDJOOGTJnhgwp Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hi

I have been using a military "antenna equivalent" for a ve= ry long time. I paid for it about one euro. Cost at the moment is 3-5 euros. It has been working very well for years but when built on ferrite cores it burned.

It's a solid military CCCP construction, it has work= ed in 50Hz =E2=80=93 7,5MHz frequencies.

73! Marcin SQ2BXI

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--2PQAKLGIRUQJAYDJOOGTJnhgwp-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 10:52:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v758qlm4012536 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:52:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddulE-0001wH-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:48:40 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddukh-0001w8-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:48:07 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddukc-0007Da-VS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 09:48:04 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95C9920AF8 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:48:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPcrH6WmNz104x for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:47:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5985863F.50509@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:47:59 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12332 Moin, A current transformer without a secondary winding is no current transformer but a simple coil. And most likely a bad one. Current transformer is by definition a transformer that has nearly a short cut on the secondary side. The higher the secondary impedance, the higher the stress, just in opposite to a voltage transformer. But we konw that :-) BTW, a simple "RIK20" from Reichelt, https://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=446&LA=0 holds more than 10A antenna current on 137 kHz, 'key down' (with 40 secondary turns and a 1 Ohm load behind a bridge rectifier), eeehm i mean current through a dummy load in the shack of course.... 73, Stefan PS: Wow that was the deepest summer hole in the recent days since i am member of this reflector :-) Is the new season starting now? Am 05.08.2017 07:38, schrieb Dr. Wolf Ostwald: > good morning ! > a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a > very risky thing. > As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. > But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on > with a single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts > they got hot and broke. > The losses can be extremely high. > It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not > much to do with frequency dependent losses. > a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage > across the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side > of the resistor terminals. > If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You > dont want it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes. > The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a > high inductance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, > depending on the safety factor involved with ur construction . > > 73 de wolf df2py > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 11:19:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v759JN3Y012557 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:19:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvBO-00025t-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:15:42 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvBN-00025k-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:15:41 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddvBJ-0007Kn-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:15:40 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DD0E20B63 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPdS817JyzyvF for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:15:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 11:15:35 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <597AC385.8070108@rtv5.cz> <15d88d4c847-7d6d-2b953@webprd-m86.mail.aol.com> <597B509E.8080105@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <597B509E.8080105@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 617a5faed955112e448650f4d003a84d Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060605080104060700080001" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12333 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060605080104060700080001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VLF, After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected. The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work. Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously. The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West, http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass... So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related? 73, Stefan Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC: > Hi VLF, > > I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was > used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under > maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already > dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter > PVC tube again. > So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just > connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i > found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i > decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay > away from multiples of 1 Hz. > > So, now *since 14:40 UTC* a carrier is running on *3675.005 Hz*. The > antenna current is *170 mA*. I estimate the *ERP is just 3 uW*! > > I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the *82 km* band > and that class of ERP (?). > > Hopefully the coil will hold the *15.5 kV* with just 5 stacks of > windings. It's inductance is *3.9 H* in the moment! > > I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the > feedback. > > Good luck for the VLF experts! > > 73, Stefan > > PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) > --------------060605080104060700080001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VLF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:
Hi VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes)

--------------060605080104060700080001-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 11:38:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v759crAf012595 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:38:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvUj-0002ED-MP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:35:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvUi-0002E2-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:35:40 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddvUg-0007Qm-1b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:35:39 +0100 Received: from ASUS ([82.21.241.77]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id tMba1v00U1gtunm01MbahY; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:35:34 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [82.21.241.77] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=DdHq0aZW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:117 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=GoqwstHNAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=ufFjvtHFBsoZGVAB74UA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=aif6eW07jeEVVZOP0pFm:22 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 Message-ID: <272A11EB6A80467D9FA04EFAF51DD15A@ASUS> From: To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> In-Reply-To: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 10:35:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1501925734; bh=J80I1vOdUEy+Gc9CKM0KJ2i1mpvj6kaBEjkcecf/MD0=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=qOh88SvwpeYv52zDycCNaU3J+ZL+D66AHnQEoYfmGsLebrVlWXsGYQ3kD9JKx6i2s kk7bHN9O9Zd3Cv2kCKHQ9oseEu6eOHX6uYMbhX1vFcsPQF/kezBM5k++qIIvTUdkbn V5gfhu5qRVfIcuidqwoIsrmaRdRlYiVqIOzqD+GAQyWK1lktuaTfUtdswW+d5J5aJO tDpprZEH1/IMUXyMyCQSOr6qHLIgdqHUOGGrHiCyeBpNT2wqePa5E6zyvqgRKO7PNh xVJvctfpoe4e9FDEU236ZdvmpwQ54S/ym+moaCFF1mqvCNssTfBZbirYU0Gnssd/V7 bcxcz6mFmNB3g== X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12334 Hello Allan I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with the meter to around 800k? I suppose a 3way switch and extra trim pot could be added to preserve the 1A range too. Thanks for the note re-shipping Monday. Look forward to getting the Kit. 73 Ian G4GIR -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for some of the LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the range up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has not been tested at this level of RF. These cores are used on mains leads carrying up to 13A so I think they will be OK. Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still available. Alan G3NYK From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 11:50:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v759op13012617 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:50:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvfP-0002ML-PM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:46:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddvfN-0002MC-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:46:41 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddvfK-0007UJ-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 10:46:40 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E1D620A7A for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:46:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPf7x50yvz104x for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 11:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598593FD.8070804@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 11:46:37 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <272A11EB6A80467D9FA04EFAF51DD15A@ASUS> In-Reply-To: <272A11EB6A80467D9FA04EFAF51DD15A@ASUS> X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12335 Hi Ian, When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). 73, Stefan Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: > Hello Allan > > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 13:48:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v75Bm5ei012733 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 13:48:06 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddxUf-0002j0-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:43:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddxUY-0002ir-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:43:38 +0100 Received: from rgout0804.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.151]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddxUW-0007uG-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:43:37 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.5.112716:17:12.455,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1600_1699, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 58BFF0800FF9A88C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:43:35 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1501933416; bh=pJKg1+76ju4VHa+0QhY29I4XfDDo4+q+p+ryeq2wEt8=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=pWcSaUOAvsz3ZkUBzZD95UVf/nnUjRhI9o9ME05JCLpdXcZmEiGgQk9tt78nB4VAw7dDDI/Tf6t6CBWde56KfoCAN3G5cVVENcgKy7MVYe4e0/kvHQh88PZPggO+WhyDxuEJjZ3/3tWM99v6xkLtBsu4ZlukbnqGgpO9W+uMmtY= Message-ID: <6EA1FC1ACFD44C549E12D4C74CEE1E79@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat> <3D9A092BFA65418DBEE13188A4C58580@gnat> <92ce2c22-a887-bb8f-6bc2-6f03b51899d6@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 12:34:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12336 Hi Wolf yes the problems of unknown cores noted. Thetypes supplied in the kits have been tested. We have not seen fracture but if you modify the circuit for higher power it is a point to bear in mind. There seem to be a wide range of core quality and parameters sold in this format. Motto "if it gets warm it is lossy" :-)) Thanks and Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Wolf Ostwald" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 6:38 AM Subject: LF: G4HUP aerial current meter/ hazards > good morning ! > a current transformer with ferrites of unknown origin and virtues is a > very risky thing. > As these cores are widely available on swapmeets its a lure to use them. > But they can be tested. I blew a few of them by just putting them on with > a single primary turn and with power less than a hundred watts they got > hot and broke. > The losses can be extremely high. > It does not help to measure their magnetic constant. As that has not much > to do with frequency dependent losses. > a way to find out is to use a 50 ohm load and measure the RF voltage > across the terminals. Then u just put the toroid over the "hot" side of > the resistor terminals. > If the measured RF voltage drops heavily, the core is useless. You dont > want it to block, u want to derive some RF for measuring purposes. > The above core would go into pieces and additionally as it poses a high > inductance to ur feedline, the amplifier stage may go south, depending on > the safety factor involved with ur construction . > > 73 de wolf df2py > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 14:39:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v75CdHMc012776 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 14:39:18 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ddyIO-0002uC-U9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 13:35:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ddyIN-0002u3-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 13:35:07 +0100 Received: from omr-m008e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ddyIJ-00084p-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 13:35:06 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.16]) by omr-m008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 96BF13800096 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-ace09e.mail.aol.com (core-ace09.mail.aol.com [172.27.23.9]) by mtaomg-mbd02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2F19138000085 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-m101.mail.aol.com (10.74.71.91) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 05 Aug 2017 08:34:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2017 08:35:00 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1501936500; bh=en+aTPaXJWLN77GqFugxXx6NLHsjtSmeEPEeRRkGZqg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sI11NR7GAqjlYitS7Bd6pYdF+z+tyjWoU3/Z5YeGyMwjO4NgxmwwnRLz9k4sFJ0tL Ks2foYtJtqfNbGBu83MYvmKOdz+VPmGCl+aSssZpXNhV2Uj15niI9t8WIXr0uApfHG BbI1y0iNhBK0j9SbSmLjUhMBz82do1c1d8B0mkas= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc105985bb7438f1 X-Scan-Signature: 913d7a7c91a460d176c89ad756da16f9 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10673_1401077264.1501936499821" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12337 ------=_Part_10673_1401077264.1501936499821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine result of = mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit facility and posin= g the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team (specifically Tom DK1IS and B= ernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a quiet forest around their club station= and installing dedicated hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab in= stances without introducing too many errors. The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple of day= s ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in the ultra-narrow 9.3 uH= z window (waiting to be updated later tonight). Since yesterday, antenna an= d GPS connections have been greatly optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared= early this morning after "only" 9 hours of averaging.=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz VLF,=20 After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruptio= n, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.=20 The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-sound= card. The system is now completely configured including system time setting= via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the = data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and= on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools s= eems to work. Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop pr= eamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few mon= ths ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time fo= r a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more= seriously. The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive th= e weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is some= thing on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in = some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency = which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool fo= r windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will = also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording usi= ng vlfrx tools, an important step to pass... So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF= /VLF related? 73, Stefan Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hi VLF,=20 I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used= on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance,= one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the= new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.=20 So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connect= ed the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a max= imum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune t= o 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of = 1 Hz.=20 So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna c= urrent is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW! I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and t= hat class of ERP (?). Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. I= t's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment! I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feed= back. Good luck for the VLF experts! 73, Stefan PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.= de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) ------=_Part_10673_1401077264.1501936499821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This i= s a fine result of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the&nbs= p;transmit facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team = (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a quie= t forest around their club station and installing dedicated hardware, and&n= bsp;myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab instances without introducing too= many errors.

The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared al= ready a couple of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still s= hown in the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated la= ter tonight). Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been g= reatly optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning afte= r "only" 9 hours of averaging.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
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-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberden= ken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=
Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.= 005 Hz

VLF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_= test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hi VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF= _Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes)

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This is a fine result = of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit facility and = posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team (specifically Tom = DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a quiet forest around = their club station and installing dedicated hardware, and myself trying = to tame 14 SpecLab instances without introducing too many errors. The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple of = days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in the ultra-narrow = 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later tonight). Since yesterday, = antenna and GPS connections have been greatly optimized, and the 31 uHz = peak appeared early this morning after "only" 9 hours of averaging.=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz VLF,=20 After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an = interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.=20 The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my = Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including = system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the = carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: = The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate = correction via vlfrx tools seems to work. Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop = preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a = few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it = is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check = the system more seriously. The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive = the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is = something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then = in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that = frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has = developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that = experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message = from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass... So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, = LF/MF/VLF related? 73, Stefan Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hi VLF,=20 I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was = used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under = maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already = dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC = tube again.=20 So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just = connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i = found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i = decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay = away from multiples of 1 Hz.=20 So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna = current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW! I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and = that class of ERP (?). Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. = It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment! I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the = feedback. Good luck for the VLF experts! 73, Stefan PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at = http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html = (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) ------=_NextPart_000_0144_01D30DFB.306898F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations Stefan, Markus and DL0AO = team!

 

Is this the first far-field link between 3.000 kHz and 4.000 = kHz?

 

Another great data point in the previously uncharted and rough = terrain of 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km.

 

Analytical and computational estimates of path loss 2 kHz - 4 kHz, = 100 km - 1000 km are at best somewhat (to considerably) speculative for = lack of data, so I=E2=80=99d venture that the DK7FC/DF6NM/DL0AO team, = and all those who provided receivers, transmitters and processing for = prior tests 2 kHz - 6 kHz*, 100 km - 1000 km, have done valuable = pioneering work.

 

(great work in hardware and processing, and especially pioneering = work in characterization of propagation in a little-understood and = not-too-friendly propagation realm 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 = km)

 

From a spectator=E2=80=99s perspective this is very = exciting.

 

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0 (5 kHz and 6 kHz tests helping to assess an = upper boundary for the complicated 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km = space)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(Much credit also to = transmitter, receiver and processing work at 970 Hz making the = interesting sub-kHz world accessible) =C2=A0

 

 

Jim AA5BW

 

 

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus = Vester
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 8:35 AM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 3675.005 Hz

 

Y= es the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine result = of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit = facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team = (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a = quiet forest around their club station and installing dedicated = hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab = instances without introducing too many errors.

The first = indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple = of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in = the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later = tonight). Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been = greatly optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning = after "only" 9 hours of averaging.

Best = 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
= An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 3675.005 Hz

V= LF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without = an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like = the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable = carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The = system is now completely configured including system time setting via = the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the = data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable = and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx = tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the = circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in = the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much = lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment = in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The = crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the = weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is = something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl= 0ao_test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so = bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit = longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message = on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus = has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in = that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the = message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to = pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently = working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am = 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:

H= i VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF = coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it = is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is = already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm = diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't = know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency = downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is = not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 = mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now = since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The = antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 = uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the = 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil = will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's = inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the = carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good = luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF = spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF= _Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 = minutes)

------=_NextPart_000_0144_01D30DFB.306898F0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 21:42:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v75Jg7kG013227 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:42:09 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1de4tw-0003sY-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 20:38:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1de4tp-0003sP-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 20:38:13 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1de4ti-0000jF-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 20:38:12 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 504F920A9B for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:38:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPvGM4zzhz10HW for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 21:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59861E9A.8040806@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:38:02 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <014301d30e1c$b777ef00$2667cd00$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <014301d30e1c$b777ef00$2667cd00$@comcast.net> X-Scan-Signature: 17acae084404f211678801ec6cbf7d97 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050509080909030002040806" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12339 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509080909030002040806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jim! Am 05.08.2017 20:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net: > > Congratulations Stefan, Markus and DL0AO team! > > Is this the first far-field link between 3.000 kHz and 4.000 kHz? > Yes it is, as far as i know. Or at least it is the first detection over a distance of > 1 wavelength. The far field begins at 13 km distance. I doubt that this was done before. Now the distance is 226 km, http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=JN49IK00WD&from=JN59VK53NK or 2.77 wavelengths. > > Another great data point in the previously uncharted and rough terrain > of 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km. > Yes this is certainly an interesting point in the spectrum down to DC and i am looking forward to see some diurnal signal level changes on that grabber. At that bandwidth and/or scroll rate and the QRN which can vary by 20 dB and more it won't be easy to tell to much from the spectrogram however... BTW where is Paul and Jacek? Jacek often asked when i will do something below 5.17 kHz. Now it is the time! But certainly not the best time in the year for such tests :-) 73, Stefan > Analytical and computational estimates of path loss 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 > km - 1000 km are at best somewhat (to considerably) speculative for > lack of data, so I’d venture that the DK7FC/DF6NM/DL0AO team, and all > those who provided receivers, transmitters and processing for prior > tests 2 kHz - 6 kHz*, 100 km - 1000 km, have done valuable pioneering > work. > > (great work in hardware and processing, and especially pioneering work > in characterization of propagation in a little-understood and > not-too-friendly propagation realm 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km) > > From a spectator’s perspective this is very exciting. > > * (5 kHz and 6 kHz tests helping to assess an upper boundary for > the complicated 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km space) > > (Much credit also to transmitter, receiver and processing work > at 970 Hz making the interesting sub-kHz world accessible) > > Jim AA5BW > > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Markus Vester > *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 8:35 AM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz > > Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine > result of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit > facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team > (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a > quiet forest around their club station and installing dedicated > hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab instances without > introducing too many errors. > > The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple > of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in > the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later tonight). > Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been greatly > optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning > after "only" 9 hours of averaging. > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > > An: rsgb_lf_group > > Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz > > VLF, > > After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an > interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) > It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected. > > The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my > Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured > including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few > days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed > them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, > so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work. > > Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX > loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it > up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! > So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to > check the system more seriously. > > The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to > receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks > like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West, > http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm > Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! > > I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then > in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that > frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has > developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in > that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the > message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to > pass... > > So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, > LF/MF/VLF related? > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC: > > Hi VLF, > > I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was > used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under > maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already > dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter > PVC tube again. > So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just > connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i > found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i > decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay > away from multiples of 1 Hz. > > So, now *since 14:40 UTC* a carrier is running on *3675.005 Hz*. The > antenna current is *170 mA*. I estimate the *ERP is just 3 uW*! > > I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the *82 km* band > and that class of ERP (?). > > Hopefully the coil will hold the *15.5 kV* with just 5 stacks of > windings. It's inductance is *3.9 H* in the moment! > > I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the > feedback. > > Good luck for the VLF experts! > > 73, Stefan > > PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) > --------------050509080909030002040806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jim!

Am 05.08.2017 20:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:

Congratulations Stefan, Markus and DL0AO team!

 

Is this the first far-field link between 3.000 kHz and 4.000 kHz?

Yes it is, as far as i know. Or at least it is the first detection over a distance of > 1 wavelength. The far field begins at 13 km distance. I doubt that this was done before.
Now the distance is 226 km, http://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=JN49IK00WD&from=JN59VK53NK or 2.77 wavelengths.

 

Another great data point in the previously uncharted and rough terrain of 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km.

Yes this is certainly an interesting point in the spectrum down to DC and i am looking forward to see some diurnal signal level changes on that grabber. At that bandwidth and/or scroll rate and the QRN which can vary by 20 dB and more it won't be easy to tell to much from the spectrogram however...

BTW where is Paul and Jacek? Jacek often asked when i will do something below 5.17 kHz. Now it is the time! But certainly not the best time in the year for such tests :-)

73, Stefan


 

Analytical and computational estimates of path loss 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km are at best somewhat (to considerably) speculative for lack of data, so I’d venture that the DK7FC/DF6NM/DL0AO team, and all those who provided receivers, transmitters and processing for prior tests 2 kHz - 6 kHz*, 100 km - 1000 km, have done valuable pioneering work.


 

(great work in hardware and processing, and especially pioneering work in characterization of propagation in a little-understood and not-too-friendly propagation realm 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km)

 

From a spectator’s perspective this is very exciting.

 

 

   *  (5 kHz and 6 kHz tests helping to assess an upper boundary for the complicated 2 kHz - 4 kHz, 100 km - 1000 km space)

       (Much credit also to transmitter, receiver and processing work at 970 Hz making the interesting sub-kHz world accessible)  

 

 

Jim AA5BW

 

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester
Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2017 8:35 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz

 

Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine result of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a quiet forest around their club station and installing dedicated hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab instances without introducing too many errors.

The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later tonight). Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been greatly optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning after "only" 9 hours of averaging.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz

VLF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:

Hi VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes)

--------------050509080909030002040806-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 5 22:12:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v75KCePV013262 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:12:41 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1de5Ml-00042Z-EK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:08:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1de5Mi-00042Q-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1de5Mc-0000q2-1z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 21:08:02 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96963208F7 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPvwr1T7Yz1090 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 22:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2017 22:07:56 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> X-Scan-Signature: bb953ecadee360a40f72202c1637b86b Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080005040701000803020209" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12340 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080005040701000803020209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, VLF, The carrier is quite stable now. The QRN has been a bit lower today and yesterday. Maybe the worst days regarding QRN are over now? I'm curious to try sending an EbNaut message but now you made the effort to set up the spectrograms/grabber, so it would be a pity not to use it! So i will continue running the carrier for some time. I'm thinking about making QSY by -312.5 uHz on Monday 0:00 UTC, i.e. in about 26 hours. Would you agree that this makes sense? For coming EbNaut attempts on that 82 km band i would start with 3 characters in 24 hours. Are you interested? And if so, would you like to prepare a SL instance with an FFT length of >= 25 hours (assuming you are creating a txt file each hour)? 73, Stefan Am 05.08.2017 14:35, schrieb Markus Vester: > Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine > result of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit > facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team > (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a > quiet forest around their club station and installing dedicated > hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab instances without > introducing too many errors. > > The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple > of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in > the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later tonight). > Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been greatly > optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning > after "only" 9 hours of averaging. > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz > > VLF, > > After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an > interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) > It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected. > > The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my > Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured > including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few > days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed > them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, > so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work. > > Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX > loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it > up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! > So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to > check the system more seriously. > > The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to > receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks > like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West, > http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm > Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! > > I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then > in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that > frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has > developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in > that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the > message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to > pass... > > So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, > LF/MF/VLF related? > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC: > > Hi VLF, > > I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which > was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is > under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is > already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm > diameter PVC tube again. > So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just > connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 > Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely > high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz > offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz. > > So, now *since 14:40 UTC* a carrier is running on *3675.005 Hz*. > The antenna current is *170 mA*. I estimate the *ERP is just 3 uW*! > > I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the *82 km* > band and that class of ERP (?). > > Hopefully the coil will hold the *15.5 kV* with just 5 stacks of > windings. It's inductance is *3.9 H* in the moment! > > I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on > the feedback. > > Good luck for the VLF experts! > > 73, Stefan > > PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) > --------------080005040701000803020209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, VLF,

The carrier is quite stable now. The QRN has been a bit lower today and yesterday. Maybe the worst days regarding QRN are over now?
I'm curious to try sending an EbNaut message but now you made the effort to set up the spectrograms/grabber, so it would be a pity not to use it! So i will continue running the carrier for some time.
I'm thinking about making QSY by -312.5 uHz on Monday 0:00 UTC, i.e. in about 26 hours. Would you agree that this makes sense?

For coming EbNaut attempts on that 82 km band i would start with 3 characters in 24 hours. Are you interested? And if so, would you like to prepare a SL instance with an FFT length of >= 25 hours (assuming you are creating a txt file each hour)?

73, Stefan

Am 05.08.2017 14:35, schrieb Markus Vester:
Yes the signal is definitely making it to Amberg! This is a fine result of mutual collaboration: Stefan DK7FC erecting the transmit facility and posing the low frequency challenge, the DL0AO team (specifically Tom DK1IS and Bernd DF9RB) laying out antennas in a quiet forest around their club station and installing dedicated hardware, and myself trying to tame 14 SpecLab instances without introducing too many errors.

The first indication of a 3675.005 Hz peak appeared already a couple of days ago on the E-probe antenna, and is still shown in the ultra-narrow 9.3 uHz window (waiting to be updated later tonight). Since yesterday, antenna and GPS connections have been greatly optimized, and the 31 uHz peak appeared early this morning after "only" 9 hours of averaging.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 5. Aug 2017 11:17
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz

VLF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:
Hi VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes)

--------------080005040701000803020209-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 6 00:15:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v75MF9D3013342 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 00:15:12 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1de7Ga-0004ME-Ui for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 23:09:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1de7GK-0004M5-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 23:09:36 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1de7GG-00017E-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2017 23:09:34 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0277920ADF for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 00:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xPyd546FVzybC for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 00:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 00:09:28 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12341 Hello Paul, I remember that very nice plot you produced some months ago: http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170211b.png How can one produce such a plot from data files produced by vtwrite? Can you advice a command line? The first step will be vtcat i guess, but what then? Is there a tutorial site for vlfrx tools? It is hard to understand all the functions just from the documentation site. And just out of interest, what do you estimate, how many people are regularly using vlfrx tools? 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 6 13:17:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v76BHZjS014030 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 13:17:37 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1deJPE-0006Rd-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 12:07:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1deJPD-0006RU-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 12:07:35 +0100 Received: from nm23-vm4.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1deJP9-00037H-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 12:07:34 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sky.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky.com; s=s1024; t=1502017648; bh=bfiE13bqTH3S/eA9WCygCatTmDEsHXCx98+2OE2JqYY=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=voXI5GQMXAOLNlc7zAM6sTy4MBLOU4uTv+CgRuDD4/BWx8s7khn6xl5X4U618JyYC8IdR/aYsM5veRHsJIY9PEUIv+XDoCTXSqdAFj321EgAVAEx2kiMuC3OEx+45Ltupa41OBYEoLoraC2g/HbxOyMiilRa1PIZtZhTR5Dn/Hw= Received: from [212.82.98.56] by nm23.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2017 11:07:28 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.107] by tm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2017 11:07:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2017 11:07:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407018.43852.bm@smtp144.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uWMSTA4VM1lhGOly9byX4FzlipQmf9fWlEMn0KND.jyT7JA J8LphcH1tHuZQ5lu62fFujAaX2HsbOWmAN.S1JsxMA782TVc6zEstvQeJ7Bt _mdWCIG7Z.9rmCt.bd0kKdlSIkBtQI7H.2wTmaQTKy_cPhwLOwzlgrOwgbwW uBal869re1fHIVlhPeQc8Lz538VBBYLZckUB5qh.efKFUxELyb3QWwsghPDd bFR6JdtD6ZiZ7pUz1LUdRGHyQsoMir83WdhzyaMZd8e5VQEuym1taZ66.09n 7NdowTnQIRHcnHWVsBz.Sxm4J5YCTybY1TBl9Gxva8xeCfuvX6LfgV4AuoU. dZJys.06z1dptMRr8t.GTGyLN7naeTX82w9o.ErZbJ2Wwa8Uq02h4Akwz17S 4cRMXQlph0KQNXo4aOlcnbHKdywr8pr_BUAhF5I7FYtvdHRR3xYP3s6jjtKj V0mmQCleaJQNMEKs8ETPVSPBeNFDmBdmwGUeCgOJcl8R7p.m_DxtTevEGyWG bFQTi80RW6WdVuxjSwgTfYBBX_x2WSqwRuglVsznW9fMIY3BUNmZ.zdB5ful UCsQs X-Yahoo-SMTP: j_3SYsmswBC2aNV_OIrcnikG.xLMmVTqADJjU_0.aphs7U0_qeEUQejE0GGg To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> From: Terry G0EZY Message-ID: <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:07:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> Content-Language: en-US X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12342 Hi Stefan Did you get gpsd and ntp working by following Paul's info (email 21/07)? I have a UBlox NEO 7M connected to the RaPi by USB and I can run xgps or cgps and see that the NMEA is being read. But ntp is not being updated by the gps... Once I have that problem solved and built the PPS shaper, I can make progress with the Octo soundcard project. Paul made it seem so easy...! I followed your recommendation and bought some of the DC/DC converters from Amazon. Do they require any additional filtering? 73 Terry On 05/08/2017 23:09, DK7FC wrote: > Hello Paul, > > I remember that very nice plot you produced some months ago: > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170211b.png > > How can one produce such a plot from data files produced by vtwrite? > Can you advice a command line? The first step will be vtcat i guess, > but what then? > Is there a tutorial site for vlfrx tools? It is hard to understand all > the functions just from the documentation site. > > And just out of interest, what do you estimate, how many people are > regularly using vlfrx tools? > > 73, Stefan > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 6 17:55:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v76Ft4p6014220 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 17:55:06 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1deNog-0006ky-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:50:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1deNof-0006kp-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:50:09 +0100 Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1deNoa-0003vK-Ng for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:50:07 +0100 Received: by mail-oi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id g131so48473383oic.3 for ; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=h2OGOP76ccs9M0aTr0wikphE76Wxy6QJqL9CdDORpK8=; b=hHCt6vRifKWLqXVkcG/OUVL8gwp2BKRD65BHL6tdwDND1tg1CamH/ray1s+J2ILd6y y2/4p+0/oe9HfwQPhYqEZH5RmQEsEFOn5j5GtSUNG/yA/cGJxkyJLE4964dLUg4m2JZp NpZM3TPBvHtnmY1vxU8OfAFHZDUCIsM/ZFwk7bOpUx5HaiBPSJ/N75+p6kKEEjo6SRUU mcNgs+Of4ZxydQ4TbCQmZ/dlqM2b47jCXEi9u75sEVn0Tf2Q7qL9TxP4o0x5FIRl3w0S yxe7DZUN2Q9v63K61uKkviLfQfjvKr95dovBDiaP5xVZiXufDZoMfPH6Dymb5vLZruhX iPFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=h2OGOP76ccs9M0aTr0wikphE76Wxy6QJqL9CdDORpK8=; b=k3i64g/56AnIyuTAUJblEoAAtnW+CK6Cj+JLG9292+mq9ODcLttndtklcV3Hxbsbv3 x1qxLQMWmLtvWvb/f/AM36lcJyH2T/PPrLyybM6vTTCs2UOJCgDehZA53ARbCp/JPFwz 2ih/oBoeDh/Y0LXzncL/ZuXWKhyNbHnnjpvfgkB4++DYzm4HxEGiP45uQHc2P/rkZBRT 3Wx96DpHyzKYRZi7DOOQPTC8/GYkyr3/c2s4kS/dW0SvnUTyitmzuEwnvTxBCLw4beYV bZf6lk8GlgOjnbnDRWvb+yRUGyTtrEHx0W2mvupB4CVs5mWzHvoswkDRaDaCYDZ9Zf87 LelQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5gmGOME1iBj91XXZEKkfOOajOvl3/J43U3wPdVcxPCbU+GWY0CX uxJq3a5SG22QwG9v1W5jk0vV6sLN2SKJ X-Received: by 10.202.79.84 with SMTP id d81mr5310097oib.50.1502034602475; Sun, 06 Aug 2017 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.96.7 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Aug 2017 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex R7NT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:50:02 +0300 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 308750728855677e0aa256742a73dd94 Subject: LF: Aug 5-6 Best QRB/reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d83c4ebc5cf055617aeee" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12343 --001a113d83c4ebc5cf055617aeee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" *Aug 5-6 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 / WSPR2 >500km / OP32 / OPds32 :* 2017-08-06 10:32 WH2XND 0.137527 -15 0 DM33xt 20 KL7L BP51ip *4059* 331 (42) 2017-08-06 04:28 WH2XND 0.137530 -24 0 DM33xt 20 WH2XXC FM18qi *3203* 71 (6) 2017-08-06 10:40 WH2XND 0.137527 -22 0 DM33xt 20 WA3TTS/2 EN90xn *2915* 66 (30) 01:18 136 R7NT de PA0RDT Op32 *2574* km -39 dB F:2% in Middelburg 1541,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (5) 2017-08-06 10:24 WH2XND 0.137527 -15 0 DM33xt 20 KU4XR EM75xr *2558* 77 (100) 2017-08-05 23:20 2E0ILY 0.137550 -27 0 IO82qv 0.2 SV8RV KM07ks *2470* 124 (5) 2017-08-06 10:28 WH2XND 0.137527 -19 0 DM33xt 20 SWL/K9 EN61 *2350* 61 (45) 2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV *2266*km 137461.905Hz 2mHz -41.9dBOp 87% 19.1dB SV8RV (1) 22:05 136 G3XDV de SV8RV Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -40 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1461,9 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv- L (1) 22:05 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-2 Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -45 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1464,1 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1) 22:05 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -44 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1462,1 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv- L (1) 22:05 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-10 Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -39 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1462,2 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv- L (1) 2017-08-06 02:18 R7NT *2234*km 137540.919Hz 2mHz -44.6dBOp 95% 17.5dB DK7FC (4) 01:18 136 R7NT de SWLJO43 Op32 *2150* km -39 dB F:3% in Asendorf. Germany 1540,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2) 2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV *1945*km 137462.172Hz 2mHz -36.6dBOp 88% 20.3dB EW6X (2) 22:05 136 G3XDV de EW6X Op32 -36 dB F:47% in KO45kl (*1944* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137462.2 Hz (1) 2017-08-06 00:18 R7NT *1876*km 137540.920Hz 3mHz -39.5dBOp 100% 19.3dB IZ7SLZ (8 ) 2017-08-06 01:18 R7NT *1811*km 137540.773Hz 8mHz -37.6dBOp 94% 19.1dB SV8RV (8 ) 00:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV Op32 *1809* km -30 dB F:18%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1540,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (7) 00:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV-2 Op32 *1809* km -34 dB F:11%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1542,9 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (7) 00:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV-4 Op32 *1809* km -31 dB F:7%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1541,0 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 ) 00:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV-10 Op32 *1809* km -26 dB F:7%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1541,1 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 ) 2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV *1796*km 137462.051Hz 3mHz -40.3dBOp 100% 20.6dB IZ7SLZ (2) 2017-08-06 00:30 R7NT 0.137602 -31 0 KN97lf 200 OH2EAT KP20xw *1737* 336 (4) 2017-08-06 11:52 WH2XND 0.137526 +5 0 DM33xt 20 W7IUV DN07dg *1629* 339 (292) 2017-08-06 02:10 2E0ILY 0.137551 -11 0 IO82qv 0.2 SM3LNM JP82qg *1572* 41 (40) 2017-08-05 22:30 R7NT 0.137602 -26 0 KN97lf 200 UA4WPF LO66pu *1446* 37 (5) 2017-08-05 23:24 R7NT 0.137539 -26 0 KN97lf 200 UA4WPF LO66pu *1446* 37 (4) 00:18 136 R7NT de UA4WPF Op32 *1445* km -26 dB F:1%_End in Izhevsk (7) 21:18 136 R7NT de R6LDD/1 Op32 Deep Search *1321* km -44 dB in Cherepovets 1542,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2) 2017-08-06 03:52 WH2XND 0.137526 -27 0 DM33xt 20 KA7U DN14lf *1236* 341 (1) 2017-08-06 00:30 R7NT 0.137602 -35 0 KN97lf 200 EW6X KO45kl *1152* 327 (2) 2017-08-05 18:18 R7NT *1152*km 137541.055Hz 3mHz -38.4dBOp 95% 18.1dB EW6X (5) 00:18 136 R7NT de EW6X Op32 -37 dB F:47% in KO45kl (*1151* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137541.1 Hz (3) 2017-08-05 22:20 2E0ILY 0.137550 -21 0 IO82qv 0.2 LA4ANA JO59cu *1102* 40 (3) 2017-08-06 12:24 WH2XND 0.137527 -8 0 DM33xt 20 KK6EEW CM88on *1099* 302 (231) 2017-08-06 08:16 WH2XND 0.137527 -24 0 DM33xt 20 KJ6MKI CM88oi *1089* 301 (10) 2017-08-06 12:16 WH2XND 0.137527 +1 0 DM33xt 20 W6SFH CM88pl *1088* 302 (276) 2017-08-06 08:12 WH2XND 0.137527 -3 0 DM33xt 20 WW6D CM88pl *1088* 302 (91) 2017-08-06 01:18 R7NT *1045*km 137540.964Hz 3mHz -37.9dBOp 89% 18.4dB YO/4X1RF (13) 2017-08-06 00:30 R7NT 0.137603 -37 0 KN97lf 200 RUSWL KO85sv *969* 355 (1) 22:18 136 R7NT de RUSWL Op32 Deep Search *968* km -42 dB in 1541,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2) 2017-08-06 01:10 2E0ILY 0.137550 -23 0 IO82qv 0.2 DF4UE JN48rr *965* 114 (6) 2017-08-06 00:20 2E0ILY 0.137550 -17 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL1GCD/1 JN48ar *880* 118 (62) 2017-08-06 00:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -11 0 IO82qv 0.2 DK7FC JN49ik *878* 111 (78) 2017-08-06 01:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -17 0 IO82qv 0.2 F4KJI JN38un *871* 119 (59) 2017-08-06 07:56 WH2XND 0.137528 -4 0 DM33xt 20 KU7Z DN41af *825* 0 (94) 2017-08-06 01:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -6 0 IO82qv 0.2 LA3EQ JO28xj *814* 38 (56) 22:05 136 G3XDV de SWLJO43 Op32 *706* km -32 dB F:13% in Asendorf. Germany 1461,9 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1) 2017-08-06 04:50 2E0ILY 0.137549 -3 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL6II JO30nx *701* 104 (29) 2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV *682*km 137462.050Hz 4mHz -35.1dBOp 88% 21.1dB DK7FC (3) 2017-08-05 23:30 2E0ILY 0.137550 -25 0 IO82qv 0.2 DC5AL-R JO31lk *673* 100 (14) 2017-08-06 01:00 2E0ILY 0.137550 -21 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL8SEL JO31 *671* 100 (34) 2017-08-05 22:00 2E0ILY 0.137550 -26 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL6OW-R JO31kk *667* 100 (6) 2017-08-06 02:10 2E0ILY 0.137550 -10 0 IO82qv 0.2 PI4THT JO32kf *646* 93 (85) 2017-08-05 23:30 2E0ILY 0.137550 -17 0 IO82qv 0.2 PA3BTI JO22ng *528* 94 (53) 18:33 136 G3XDV de DL6II Op32 -19 dB F:45% in JO30NX (*516* km) nr Cologne + PA0RDT 137461.4 Hz (3) 2017-08-06 03:10 2E0ILY 0.137552 -3 0 IO82qv 0.2 PA7EY JO22jj *503* 93 (85) 20:42 136 G3XDV de PA0RDT Op32 *266* km -18 dB F:3% in Middelburg 1462,3 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2) 18:33 136 G3XDV de 2E0ILY Op32 *203* km -15 dB F:12% in Whitchurch, Shropshire 1461.2 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (3) *WSPR15:* TX-1 RX-4 *WSPR2 >500km:* TX-3 RX-28 *OP32:* TX-2 RX-9 RXds-5 (n) - it's the total number of the reports - it's the best result of the reports - it's the first result over time with the same levels E.sLoop + 200W Output 73! 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Aug 5-6 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 /=C2=A0WSPR2 >500km=C2=A0/=C2= =A0=C2=A0OP32=C2= =A0/=C2=A0OPds32=C2=A0:
2017-08-06 = 10:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KL7L =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BP51ip =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A04059=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 331 (42)
2017-08-06 04:28 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2= XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137530 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XXC = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FM18qi =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A03203=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 (6)
2017-08-06 10:40 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -22 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WA3TTS/2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EN90xn = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02915=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 66 (3= 0)
01:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136= R7NT de PA0RDT Op32=C2=A02574=C2=A0km -39 dB F:2% in Midd= elburg 1541,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (5)
2017-08-06 10:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KU4XR =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 E= M75xr =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02558=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 77 (100)
2017-08-05 23:= 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SV8RV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 2470=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 124 (5)
2017-08-06 10:28 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -19 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SWL/K9 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EN61 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02350=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 61 (45)
2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A02266km 137461.905Hz= =C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -41.9dBOp=C2=A0 87% 19.1dB SV8RV (1)
22:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SV8RV Op32 De= ep Search=C2=A02265=C2=A0km -40 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl= . GREECE 1461,9 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv- L (1)
22:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XD= V de SV8RV-2 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A02265=C2=A0km -45 dB in = Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1464,1 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1)
22:05=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-4 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A02265= =C2=A0km -44 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1462,1 Hz with ERP0.4w + in= v- L (1)
22:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-10 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A0= 2265=C2=A0km -39 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1462,2= Hz with ERP0.4w + inv- L (1)
2017-08-06 02:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A02234km 137= 540.919Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -44.6dBOp=C2=A0 95% 17.5dB DK7FC (4)
01:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SWLJO= 43 Op32=C2=A02150=C2=A0km -39 dB F:3% in Asendorf. Germany= 1540,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2)
2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A01945km 1374= 62.172Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -36.6dBOp=C2=A0 88% 20.3dB EW6X (2)
22:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de EW6X O= p32 -36 dB F:47% in KO45kl (1944=C2=A0km) Polotsk + miniwh= ip 137462.2 Hz (1)
<= span class=3D"gmail-bbc_color" style=3D"font-size:12.48px;color:maroon">201= 7-08-06 00:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01876km 137540.920Hz= =C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -39.5dBOp 100% 19.3dB IZ7SLZ (8 )
2017-08-06 01:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01811km 137540.773Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A08mHz -37.6dBOp=C2=A0 94% 19.1dB= SV8RV (8 )
00:18=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV Op32=C2=A01809=C2=A0km -30 dB F:1= 8%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1540,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (7)
= 00:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-2 Op32=C2=A01809=C2= =A0km -34 dB F:11%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1542,9 Hz with 200w = + EsLoop (7)
00:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-4 Op32=C2=A018= 09=C2=A0km -31 dB F:7%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1541,0 = Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 )
00:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-10 Op32= =C2=A01809=C2=A0km -26 dB F:7%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl= . GREECE 1541,1 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 )
2017-08-05 22:05 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A01796km 137462.051Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -40.3dBOp 100% 20.6dB IZ7SLZ (2)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px">2017-08-06 00:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -31 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OH2EAT =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 KP20xw =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01737=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 336 (4)
2017-08-06 11:52 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.137526 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +5 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 W7IUV =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 DN07dg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01629=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 339 (292)
= 2017= -08-06 02:10 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 -11 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM3LNM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JP82qg =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A01572=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 41 (40)=
2017-08-05 22:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UA4WPF =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 LO66pu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01446=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37 (5)
2017-08-05 23:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137539 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UA4WPF =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 LO66pu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01446=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 37 (4)
00:18=C2=A0= =C2=A0 136 R7NT de UA4WPF Op32=C2=A01445=C2=A0km -26 dB F= :1%_End in Izhevsk (7)
21= :18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de R6LDD/1 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A01321=C2=A0km -44 dB in Cherepovets 1542,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2)=
2017-08-06 03:52 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137526 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 KA7U =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DN14lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01236=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 341 (1)
2017-0= 8-06 00:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -35 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EW6X =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO45kl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A01152=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 327 (2)
2017= -08-05 18:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01152km 137541.055Hz=C2= =A0 =C2=A03mHz -38.4dBOp=C2=A0 95% 18.1dB EW6X (5)
00:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de EW6X Op32 -37 dB F= :47% in KO45kl (1151=C2=A0km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137541.1 = Hz (3)
2017-08-05 22:2= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LA4ANA =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO59cu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A01102=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 40 (3)
2017-08-06 12:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XN= D =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -8 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KK6EEW = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CM88on =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01099=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 302 (231)
2017-08-06 08:16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137= 527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KJ6MKI =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CM88oi = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01089=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 301 (= 10)
2017-08-06 12:16 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 W6SFH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CM88pl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01088=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 302 (276)
2017-08-06 08:12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WW6D =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 CM88pl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01088=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 302 (91)
<= span class=3D"gmail-bbc_color" style=3D"font-size:12.48px;color:maroon">201= 7-08-06 01:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01045km 137540.964Hz= =C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -37.9dBOp=C2=A0 89% 18.4dB YO/4X1RF (13)
2017-08-06 00:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0.137603 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -37 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN= 97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RUSWL =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO8= 5sv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0969=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 355 (1)
22:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RUSWL Op32 Deep Search=C2=A0968=C2=A0km -42 dB in=C2=A0 1541,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2)
2017-08-06 01:10 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 DF4UE =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN48rr =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A09= 65=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 114 (6)
2017-08-06 00:20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL1GCD/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 JN48ar =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0880=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 118 (62)
<= span class=3D"gmail-bbc_color" style=3D"font-size:12.48px;color:blue">2017-= 08-06 00:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 -11 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0878=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 111 (78)2017-08-06 01:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 F4KJI =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN38un =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0871=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 119 (59)
2017-08-06 07:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.137528 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -4 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KU7Z =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DN4= 1af =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0825=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = (94)
2017-08-06 01:50 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -6= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LA3EQ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO28xj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0814=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 38 (56)
22:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SWLJO43 Op32=C2=A0= 706=C2=A0km -32 dB F:13% in Asendorf. Germany 1461,9 Hz wi= th ERP0.4w + inv-L (1)
2= 017-08-06 04:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137549 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL6II =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO30nx =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0701=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 104 (29)=
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--001a113d83c4ebc5cf055617aeee-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 7 16:01:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_FONT_SIZE_LARGE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v77E11LY016047 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2017 16:01:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1deiPS-0007yT-CT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 14:49:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1deiPR-0007yK-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 14:49:29 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1deiPM-0007QU-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2017 14:49:27 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFBB020BD9 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:49:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xQzR531NQzysT for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:49:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:49:18 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> In-Reply-To: <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> X-Scan-Signature: c7180015d1271a4d0a6e92915e71cab1 Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090703070803090306030501" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12344 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090703070803090306030501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Terry, Am 06.08.2017 13:07, schrieb Terry G0EZY: > Hi Stefan > > Did you get gpsd and ntp working by following Paul's info (email 21/07)? No, but his advice was an important step forward. I took additional advice from the web and after some time i got it working. > I have a UBlox NEO 7M connected to the RasPi by USB and I can run xgps > or cgps and see that the NMEA is being read. But ntp is not being > updated by the gps... I'm using a NEO 6M and i used the serial interface on the GPIO board. You just need two short wires to realise the communication. Like that: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/20170807_152938.jpg I have been at the point where you are hanging now. The main steps i did to get it running were: */sudo systemctl stop gpsd.socket /* */sudo systemctl disable gpsd.socket/* then start the service manually with: */sudo gpsd –n -F /var/run/gpsd.sock /dev/ttyAMA0/* Replace AMA0 by your individual ID of the USB serial interface if you want to use that. I added: */server 127.127.28.0 prefer/* */fudge 127.127.28.0 time1 0.055 refid GPS/* to* * /*/etc/ntp.conf* /Afterwards /*sudo service ntp restart* /is required. I checked if it works by running */ntpq –p /*and got this result: *pi3@Pi8:~/script $ ntpq -p* * remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter* *==============================================================================* **SHM(0) .GPS. 0 l 47 64 377 0.000 297.483 137.453* * v20819.php-frie .STEP. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000* * ole.klickmich.o .STEP. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000* * ntp.fanlin.de .STEP. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000* *+ptbtime1.ptb.de .PTB. 1 u 134 64 336 15.411 356.851 150.343* For my portable recorder i'm running a script that checks the difference between system time and GPS time. It is running a while loop until the time difference becomes less than 2 seconds. This tells that the clock has been set by GPS. Then the script continues to start all the vt processes. Soon i'm going to run an EbNaut transmission on 3675 Hz to see if i can decode it only by using vlfrx tools and EbNaut. > Once I have that problem solved and built the PPS shaper, I can make > progress with the Octo soundcard project. > > Paul made it seem so easy...! Yes, if you know how it works then it appears to be easy. Like driving a car, or solving mathematic equations... > I followed your recommendation and bought some of the DC/DC converters > from Amazon. Do they require any additional filtering? No additional filtering is required (i can't know about your individual situation however). Anyway i put 1000 uF onto the output, just to be prepared for any eventualities. After years i did not discover QRM on LF/MF/VLF. I'm using this converter on the tree as well. 73, Stefan > > 73 Terry --------------090703070803090306030501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Terry,

Am 06.08.2017 13:07, schrieb Terry G0EZY:
Hi Stefan

Did you get gpsd and ntp working by following Paul's info (email 21/07)?
No, but his advice was an important step forward. I took additional advice from the web and after some time i got it working.

I have a UBlox NEO 7M connected to the RasPi by USB and I can run xgps or cgps and see that the NMEA is being read. But ntp is not being updated by the gps...
I'm using a NEO 6M and i used the serial interface on the GPIO board. You just need two short wires to realise the communication.
Like that: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/20170807_152938.jpg

I have been at the point where you are hanging now. The main steps i did to get it running were:
sudo systemctl stop gpsd.socket
 sudo systemctl disable gpsd.socket
then start the service manually with:
sudo gpsd –n -F /var/run/gpsd.sock /dev/ttyAMA0
Replace AMA0 by your individual ID of the USB serial interface if you want to use that.
I added:
 
server 127.127.28.0 prefer
fudge 127.127.28.0 time1 0.055 refid GPS
to /etc/ntp.conf
Afterwards sudo service ntp restart is required.
I checked if it works by running ntpq –p and got this result:

 
pi3@Pi8:~/script $ ntpq -p
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
*SHM(0)          .GPS.            0 l   47   64  377    0.000  297.483 137.453
 v20819.php-frie .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
 ole.klickmich.o .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
 ntp.fanlin.de   .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
+ptbtime1.ptb.de .PTB.            1 u  134   64  336   15.411  356.851 150.343


For my portable recorder i'm running a script that checks the difference between system time and GPS time. It is running a while loop until the time difference becomes less than 2 seconds. This tells that the clock has been set by GPS. Then the script continues to start all the vt processes.
Soon i'm going to run an EbNaut transmission on 3675 Hz to see if i can decode it only by using vlfrx tools and EbNaut.

Once I have that problem solved and built the PPS shaper, I can make progress with the Octo soundcard project.

Paul made it seem so easy...!
Yes, if you know how it works then it appears to be easy. Like driving a car, or solving mathematic equations...

I followed your recommendation and bought some of the DC/DC converters from Amazon. Do they require any additional filtering?
No additional filtering is required (i can't know about your individual situation however). Anyway i put 1000 uF onto the output, just to be prepared for any eventualities.
After years i did not discover QRM on LF/MF/VLF. I'm using this converter on the tree as well.

73, Stefan

73 Terry
--------------090703070803090306030501-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 09:18:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_FONT_SIZE_LARGE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v787ImuD022080 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:18:50 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1deydM-0000aW-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:08:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1deydL-0000aN-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:08:55 +0100 Received: from nm10-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.96.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1deydF-0001ZE-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:08:54 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sky.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky.com; s=s1024; t=1502176127; bh=pigzvMLIy12aVnVYJ1Dht8CxolnbwbNI8GDU80amLgw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DAFTBS+F+Go3ohpjTxHxtsRD4AK1ajfPhhOhyMda3mqy/LY/vHaphH2u778eQd/n4lnxyKV0RZUFUtdX0XAG+RC/bpIaUVLIkb5QN12J/7Brrliot/4HZ7h0f1PbNm4CykhXpIYyeBCvlIMf0d7ENa5Xihffem0jrAnrb2QCZy8= Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm10.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2017 07:08:47 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.81] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2017 07:08:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2017 07:08:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32351.7117.bm@smtp118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Dk_Rnj4VM1lnoR6Wm6TKpvVId7.vdy2o_y3cJ.EiYBY_KHw dEGAWpG.tDuricQNIRXGbVkYu974NGhXGJKwkg5ivCrinbN2EQgVLIl4kIVF KV4fdkxYt.KyBZbsWbQhed2pdmwxVChzDz9zvgm9HuJOjfvkSKXd10bF1upD mnwriJEFfhlZdtrB2JcFzsHejm_LcEmUxux3U23qFzNrqS1OeT29iyS6YCOC JA37uW0KfFKgVyFqm5m_xsNZzk4leTsfG7CmUco80oMLdABqcJ8ZuMj.Rsna AxDrMPolOAFnLRLO9MxXeevuknOEpXXuQdK5UYW4KAmGT4A_Xvm2kektOojN FZzq.DMc3IM4IQLluQi_P3Q3fS2OMQ_97Qt2oxUJplxdEtHu8K4rDbtGlVoh 2hQBIQN_yBWAMdf9LViqE82_URyZoe7LJkH59Q_pLHf7SzFgTxn570uOzi6n J8TqxbURLSngFKCTNPBz8rak.dhxqK.9pF9s1oLJop6ElKEIw6g5EbPV_sYk YY5rXV4vJYEpTmw6M9D175vsGvScmsJuuEIdALMQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: j_3SYsmswBC2aNV_OIrcnikG.xLMmVTqADJjU_0.aphs7U0_qeEUQejE0GGg To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> From: Terry G0EZY Message-ID: <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 08:08:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> Content-Language: en-US X-Scan-Signature: 18b4e5849b2f048d3198a3cfa1457948 Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BE08D7FF169D7B3D8D0C5DD1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12345 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BE08D7FF169D7B3D8D0C5DD1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Stefan thanks for the advice. I also found online those additional steps to stop and disable the gpsd socket and then to start manually. I found a lot of info for using the RaPi as an NTP server in David Taylor's satsignal.eu website. I'm assuming when installing ntp and gpsd, autostart commands were placed in a boot configuration file - I'm still looking for it.... I see from ntpq - p that you left the on-line ntp servers operational, in addition to your gps (I understood Paul's email to disable external ntp by removing these lines as part of the ntp.conf modification) My gps USB id =ACM0. Unfortunately, even with all this advice, still no sign of gps synchronisation....but this has helped confirm I have set-up the basic system correctly, so it must be a simple error..and I have plenty of time! In your photo of the complete assembly, it is interesting to see your modifications. I can see clearly the gps interface connected to the RaPi gpio pins extended through the Octo board. It looks as though you have made your own interface plug for the input of the Octo and using only Ch1, Ch2 with Ch3 as PPS?. What are the two vertical boards on the left? the smaller one looks like (but not exactly) the DC/DC inverter. Also a direct power connection to the RaPi, as you are not using the microUSB power connector. Have you added the modifications to give the RaPi a "soft" on/off switch (to protect the SDCard) and a reset button? Finally, I see you have a USB plug connected - is this for the wifi? I think you are using a RaPi2 without an onboard wifi..and I remember from your earlier posts that you are using 2.4 GHz WiFi to link from your remote forest listening post back to your main site in the University. This must be a LoS path? Even so, quite impressive to work with the interference from the mass of other Wifi in the city... It gives me the thought to run a RaPi system at my local radio club which is in a relatively radio-quiet site outside the City of Doncaster. But this is about 12km away and not LoS. It would be a good LF/VLF education for the members as their main interest is microwave and nanowaves (light transmissions)..... 73 Terry On 07/08/2017 14:49, DK7FC wrote: > Hi Terry, > > Am 06.08.2017 13:07, schrieb Terry G0EZY: >> Hi Stefan >> >> Did you get gpsd and ntp working by following Paul's info (email 21/07)? > No, but his advice was an important step forward. I took additional > advice from the web and after some time i got it working. > >> I have a UBlox NEO 7M connected to the RasPi by USB and I can run >> xgps or cgps and see that the NMEA is being read. But ntp is not >> being updated by the gps... > I'm using a NEO 6M and i used the serial interface on the GPIO board. > You just need two short wires to realise the communication. > Like that: > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/20170807_152938.jpg > > I have been at the point where you are hanging now. The main steps i > did to get it running were: > */sudo systemctl stop gpsd.socket > /* */sudo systemctl disable gpsd.socket/* > then start the service manually with: > */sudo gpsd –n -F /var/run/gpsd.sock /dev/ttyAMA0/* > Replace AMA0 by your individual ID of the USB serial interface if you > want to use that. > I added: > */server 127.127.28.0 prefer/* > */fudge 127.127.28.0 time1 0.055 refid GPS/* > to** /*/etc/ntp.conf* > /Afterwards /*sudo service ntp restart* /is required. > I checked if it works by running */ntpq –p /*and got this result: > > *pi3@Pi8:~/script $ ntpq -p* > *remoterefidst t when poll reachdelayoffsetjitter* > *==============================================================================* > **SHM(0).GPS.0 l47643770.000297.483 137.453* > *v20819.php-frie .STEP.16 u- 102400.0000.0000.000* > *ole.klickmich.o .STEP.16 u- 102400.0000.0000.000* > *ntp.fanlin.de.STEP.16 u- 102400.0000.0000.000* > *+ptbtime1.ptb.de .PTB.1 u1346433615.411356.851 150.343* > > > For my portable recorder i'm running a script that checks the > difference between system time and GPS time. It is running a while > loop until the time difference becomes less than 2 seconds. This tells > that the clock has been set by GPS. Then the script continues to start > all the vt processes. > Soon i'm going to run an EbNaut transmission on 3675 Hz to see if i > can decode it only by using vlfrx tools and EbNaut. > >> Once I have that problem solved and built the PPS shaper, I can make >> progress with the Octo soundcard project. >> >> Paul made it seem so easy...! > Yes, if you know how it works then it appears to be easy. Like driving > a car, or solving mathematic equations... > >> I followed your recommendation and bought some of the DC/DC >> converters from Amazon. Do they require any additional filtering? > No additional filtering is required (i can't know about your > individual situation however). Anyway i put 1000 uF onto the output, > just to be prepared for any eventualities. > After years i did not discover QRM on LF/MF/VLF. I'm using this > converter on the tree as well. > > 73, Stefan >> >> 73 Terry --------------BE08D7FF169D7B3D8D0C5DD1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Stefan thanks for the advice.

I also found online those additional steps to stop and disable the gpsd socket and then to start manually. I found a lot of info for using the RaPi as an NTP server in David Taylor's satsignal.eu website. I'm assuming when installing ntp and gpsd, autostart commands were placed in a boot configuration file - I'm still looking for it....

I see from ntpq - p that  you left the on-line ntp servers operational, in addition to your gps (I understood Paul's email to disable external ntp by removing these lines as part of the ntp.conf modification)

My gps USB id =ACM0.

Unfortunately, even with all this advice, still no sign of gps synchronisation....but this has helped confirm I have set-up the basic system correctly, so it must be a simple error..and I have plenty of time!

In your photo of the complete assembly, it is interesting to see your modifications. I can see clearly the gps interface connected to the RaPi gpio pins extended through the Octo board. It looks as though you have made your own interface plug for the input of the Octo and using only Ch1, Ch2 with Ch3 as PPS?.

What are the two vertical boards on the left? the smaller one looks like (but not exactly) the DC/DC inverter. Also a direct power connection to the RaPi, as you are not using the microUSB power connector.

Have you added the modifications to give the RaPi a "soft" on/off switch (to protect the SDCard) and a reset button?

Finally, I see you have a USB plug connected - is this for the wifi? I think you are using a RaPi2 without an onboard wifi..and I remember from your earlier posts that you are using 2.4 GHz WiFi to link from your remote forest listening post back to your main site in the University. This must be a LoS path? Even so, quite impressive to work with the interference from the mass of other Wifi in the city...   It gives me the thought to run a RaPi system at my local radio club which is in a relatively radio-quiet site outside the City of Doncaster. But this is about 12km away and not LoS. It would be a good LF/VLF education for the members as their main interest is microwave and nanowaves (light transmissions).....

73 Terry


On 07/08/2017 14:49, DK7FC wrote:
Hi Terry,

Am 06.08.2017 13:07, schrieb Terry G0EZY:
Hi Stefan

Did you get gpsd and ntp working by following Paul's info (email 21/07)?
No, but his advice was an important step forward. I took additional advice from the web and after some time i got it working.

I have a UBlox NEO 7M connected to the RasPi by USB and I can run xgps or cgps and see that the NMEA is being read. But ntp is not being updated by the gps...
I'm using a NEO 6M and i used the serial interface on the GPIO board. You just need two short wires to realise the communication.
Like that: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/VLF/20170807_152938.jpg

I have been at the point where you are hanging now. The main steps i did to get it running were:
sudo systemctl stop gpsd.socket
 sudo systemctl disable gpsd.socket
then start the service manually with:
sudo gpsd –n -F /var/run/gpsd.sock /dev/ttyAMA0
Replace AMA0 by your individual ID of the USB serial interface if you want to use that.
I added:
 
server 127.127.28.0 prefer
fudge 127.127.28.0 time1 0.055 refid GPS
to /etc/ntp.conf
Afterwards sudo service ntp restart is required.
I checked if it works by running ntpq –p and got this result:

 
pi3@Pi8:~/script $ ntpq -p
     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
*SHM(0)          .GPS.            0 l   47   64  377    0.000  297.483 137.453
 v20819.php-frie .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
 ole.klickmich.o .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
 ntp.fanlin.de   .STEP.          16 u    - 1024    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
+ptbtime1.ptb.de .PTB.            1 u  134   64  336   15.411  356.851 150.343


For my portable recorder i'm running a script that checks the difference between system time and GPS time. It is running a while loop until the time difference becomes less than 2 seconds. This tells that the clock has been set by GPS. Then the script continues to start all the vt processes.
Soon i'm going to run an EbNaut transmission on 3675 Hz to see if i can decode it only by using vlfrx tools and EbNaut.

Once I have that problem solved and built the PPS shaper, I can make progress with the Octo soundcard project.

Paul made it seem so easy...!
Yes, if you know how it works then it appears to be easy. Like driving a car, or solving mathematic equations...

I followed your recommendation and bought some of the DC/DC converters from Amazon. Do they require any additional filtering?
No additional filtering is required (i can't know about your individual situation however). Anyway i put 1000 uF onto the output, just to be prepared for any eventualities.
After years i did not discover QRM on LF/MF/VLF. I'm using this converter on the tree as well.

73, Stefan

73 Terry

--------------BE08D7FF169D7B3D8D0C5DD1-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 17:43:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v78Fgrv4024651 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:42:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1df6Tm-0001Ao-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:31:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1df6Tk-0001Af-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:31:32 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1df6Th-0003Us-5x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:31:31 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wIiDfj0/TXw/mVhoI/mCZj7Q+9R11sHEZ77MUgf8wmM=; b=zLODCKlDuJSMorUBXSNoT9vFEN 3IRdcht/ty2s7o6OuVUCdm3QqPSsECW/++MLaavGqPL5Seza6ZtMqzEKvE1BJ3wPAEOcZOxj5koZA BiXqkFv3qvDx/wiwgV37lil/WwIbPR9J0eHKCgIHP2BZuxJLD5ux6b+mHVfsG6IPgjlY=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:48398 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1df6Te-0002pz-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 16:31:26 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625204001B4 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:31:25 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:31:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12346 Stefan wrote: > ...since 14:40 UTC [July 28th] a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz Here's the best I've got so far, using the daytime signal http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170808a.gif Not a significant signal but we could take it as a hint that something is there. This is H-field only, E-field rx is not usable at the moment for long integrations - too many interruptions for modifications. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 19:56:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v78HuoOh025262 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:56:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1df8eZ-0001Np-Qt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:50:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1df8e1-0001Ng-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:50:17 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1df8dw-00041u-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:50:14 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC78B20C9B for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xRhkT1Thbz10HW for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 19:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5989F9D0.7050308@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:50:08 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> In-Reply-To: <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> X-Scan-Signature: 8ac9f0a1bced50a7ada6578ede3fb6ae Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question (a bit OT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070505090903090305030703" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12347 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505090903090305030703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Terry, Am 08.08.2017 09:08, schrieb Terry G0EZY: > > I see from ntpq - p that you left the on-line ntp servers > operational, in addition to your gps > Yes. Sometimes i want the GPS module to set the time because i have no internet access (portable) and sometimes vice versa. > > (I understood Paul's email to disable external ntp by removing these > lines as part of the ntp.conf modification) > I don't think it is problematic to leave a few servers in the file. The GPS server entry has a 'prefer' added, so i think this server will be preferred when many are available. It is not critical... > In your photo of the complete assembly, it is interesting to see your > modifications. I can see clearly the gps interface connected to the > RaPi gpio pins extended through the Octo board. Yes, the simplest and compactest and energy savingst way to go i bet. > It looks as though you have made your own interface plug for the input > of the Octo and using only Ch1, Ch2 with Ch3 as PPS?. Correct. I wanted to get rid of the ribbon cable and use RG174 instead, as well as BNC connectors, for RF, not for AF! The ribbon cable can't be a good choice when thinking about EMC and/or cross talk... > > What are the two vertical boards on the left? the smaller one looks > like (but not exactly) the DC/DC inverter. > Sounds like your inverter order has not been delivered yet :-) These two boards are the DC/DC converter, vertically mounted. > > Also a direct power connection to the RaPi, as you are not using the > microUSB power connector. > Yes, i just soldered two cables on the bottom of the board. No mechanical instabilities. It is one unit. BTW my 64 GB stick arrived, now i can record 2 channels for 4 days or 3 channels for a week or so :-) > > Have you added the modifications to give the RaPi a "soft" on/off > switch (to protect the SDCard) and a reset button? > In the upper vertical plate on the photo you can see a red key button. This is for shutting down the Raspi (running a dedicated shutdown script started by crontab). Then there is a red LED which quickly starts to blink when the boot process is completed. Also it starts to shine permanently when the shutdown process is in progress, until it stops when it is completed. 10 seconds later i can disconnect the power. A restart is done by shutting down, removing the supply and connecting the supply again. Another LED is the clear one (blue). It is for giving feedbacks from the record process: When switching the green key in the upper plate, the record script start to leave its while loop, configures the GPS module for a 2 ms pulse width, starts gpsd, waits until GPS-system-time is less than 2 seconds, starts all the vt processes including vtwait inbetween. During that time the blue LED shines permanently, so i know that the preparation is in progress. After that, when the recording has been started successfully, it blinks, 10 ms each 3 seconds. So then i know that everything is fine and the recording is running. Yesterday i made a first recording in the forest. It was good to have that kind of feedback there. All went well. > > Finally, I see you have a USB plug connected - is this for the wifi? I > think you are using a RaPi2 without an onboard wifi.. > Correct. This is not used in the field of course. Usually i connect to the Raspi only by PUTTY, command line only... > > and I remember from your earlier posts that you are using 2.4 GHz WiFi > to link from your remote forest listening post back to your main site > in the University. > Correct. This project is running nearly 2 years now and meanwhile the system availability is > 95% > > This must be a LoS path? > I don't know what that means. > > Even so, quite impressive to work with the interference from the mass > of other Wifi in the city... > I'm unsing high gain yagis on both sides. The one in the forst is 1.1m long! The other one is on the top of the building in 33m above the ground. This already helps a lot to cause interferences (to my link and to others). > > It gives me the thought to run a RaPi system at my local radio club > which is in a relatively radio-quiet site outside the City of > Doncaster. But this is about 12km away and not LoS. It would be a good > LF/VLF education for the members as their main interest is microwave > and nanowaves (light transmissions)..... > Yes, do it! It makes a lot of fun (even without beeing fully solar powered, the next thing!) and we need more monitors :-) 73, Stefan > > 73 Terry > > --------------070505090903090305030703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Terry,

Am 08.08.2017 09:08, schrieb Terry G0EZY:

I see from ntpq - p that  you left the on-line ntp servers operational, in addition to your gps

Yes. Sometimes i want the GPS module to set the time because i have no internet access (portable) and sometimes vice versa.

(I understood Paul's email to disable external ntp by removing these lines as part of the ntp.conf modification)

I don't think it is problematic to leave a few servers in the file. The GPS server entry has a 'prefer' added, so i think this server will be preferred when many are available. It is not critical...
In your photo of the complete assembly, it is interesting to see your modifications. I can see clearly the gps interface connected to the RaPi gpio pins extended through the Octo board.
Yes, the simplest and compactest and energy savingst way to go i bet.
It looks as though you have made your own interface plug for the input of the Octo and using only Ch1, Ch2 with Ch3 as PPS?.
Correct. I wanted to get rid of the ribbon cable and use RG174 instead, as well as BNC connectors, for RF, not for AF!
The ribbon cable can't be a good choice when thinking about EMC and/or cross talk...

What are the two vertical boards on the left? the smaller one looks like (but not exactly) the DC/DC inverter.

Sounds like your inverter order has not been delivered yet :-) These two boards are the DC/DC converter, vertically mounted.

Also a direct power connection to the RaPi, as you are not using the microUSB power connector.

Yes, i just soldered two cables on the bottom of the board. No mechanical instabilities. It is one unit.
BTW my 64 GB stick arrived, now i can record 2 channels for 4 days or 3 channels for a week or so :-)

Have you added the modifications to give the RaPi a "soft" on/off switch (to protect the SDCard) and a reset button?

In the upper vertical plate on the photo you can see a red key button. This is for shutting down the Raspi (running a dedicated shutdown script started by crontab). Then there is a red LED which quickly starts to blink when the boot process is completed. Also it starts to shine permanently when the shutdown process is in progress, until it stops when it is completed. 10 seconds later i can disconnect the power. A restart is done by shutting down, removing the supply and connecting the supply again.
Another LED is the clear one (blue). It is for giving feedbacks from the record process: When switching the green key in the upper plate, the record script start to leave its while loop, configures the GPS module for a 2 ms pulse width, starts gpsd, waits until GPS-system-time is less than 2 seconds, starts all the vt processes including vtwait inbetween. During that time the blue LED shines permanently, so i know that the preparation is in progress. After that, when the recording has been started successfully, it blinks, 10 ms each 3 seconds. So then i know that everything is fine and the recording is running.
Yesterday i made a first recording in the forest. It was good to have that kind of feedback there. All went well.

Finally, I see you have a USB plug connected - is this for the wifi? I think you are using a RaPi2 without an onboard wifi..

Correct. This is not used in the field of course. Usually i connect to the Raspi only by PUTTY, command line only...

and I remember from your earlier posts that you are using 2.4 GHz WiFi to link from your remote forest listening post back to your main site in the University.

Correct. This project is running nearly 2 years now and meanwhile the system availability is > 95%

This must be a LoS path?

I don't know what that means.

Even so, quite impressive to work with the interference from the mass of other Wifi in the city...

I'm unsing high gain yagis on both sides. The one in the forst is 1.1m long! The other one is on the top of the building in 33m above the ground. This already helps a lot to cause interferences (to my link and to others).

  It gives me the thought to run a RaPi system at my local radio club which is in a relatively radio-quiet site outside the City of Doncaster. But this is about 12km away and not LoS. It would be a good LF/VLF education for the members as their main interest is microwave and nanowaves (light transmissions).....

Yes, do it! It makes a lot of fun (even without beeing fully solar powered, the next thing!) and we need more monitors :-)

73, Stefan

73 Terry


--------------070505090903090305030703-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 21:02:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v78J2QUj025548 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:02:27 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1df9gJ-0001XW-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:56:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1df9gI-0001XN-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:56:42 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1df9gE-0004GU-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:56:41 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XH2sELx9YBYtpFn7qiqCrTFnshNtyAGsPyCAqQM4j1I=; b=E5C3CuKIV3hVH7wVxXHRicWqxu BF/IvHkqJsXNfZEeKSTe3TeXDOGNLPVoPWUzCaG3XDkvYRnh1vN++qiQLyW7O+xen92KgLyFVTb8m IjoYlS/r2jpOK5YfPvE5ji2bGxdpAIqcpp6th5YgdkzudbX1704ow8d0+eXr78NzdiUQ=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:49532 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1df9gD-00054U-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 19:56:37 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBB14000E9 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 18:56:36 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 8556389a5ea14fbbf9b9d801ab70c592 Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12348 Stefan wrote: > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170211b.png > How can one produce such a plot from data files produced by > vtwrite? Can you advice a command line? First use vtread to extract the signal, vtfilter and vtblank to clean it up, and vtnspec to produce the spectrum. vtread -T2017-02-11_13:30,+7h /raw | # Extract signal vtmix -c 0.866/-20,-0.5/-35,-0.65 | # Antenna mixing coefficients vtfilter -h bp,f=8270,w=3000 | # Band limit before blanker vtblank -a 25 -d0 -t100 | # Daytime blanker settings vtnspec -f 8270 -r 39.68e-6 -w 0.02 > /tmp/170211b.dat You get 4-columns of ASCII numeric data, column 1 is the frequency and column 4 the bin RMS amplitude. I use gnuplot for plotting, because it's easy to script and is something of an industry standard. You have to mess about a bit to get the different colours... I found filed away the command I used for that 170211b plot: echo " set terminal png large size 1000,340 background 0x303030 set title 'Todmorden 2017-02-11 13:30 to 20:30 UT in 40uHz' textcolor rgb 0xffffff unset key set border lw 2 lc rgb 0x202020 set xtics textcolor rgb 0xffffff font 'Fixed,8' set ytics textcolor rgb 0xffffff font 'Fixed,8' set style data lines set grid set xrange [-0.01:0.01] set xlabel 'Frequency, Hz - 8270' textcolor rgb 0xffffff set ylabel 'Flux density, fT' textcolor rgb 0xffffff set label 'DF6NM' at 0.0027,0.11 textcolor rgb 0xffffff set label 'DJ8WX' at -0.0051,0.10 textcolor rgb 0xffffff set label 'DK7FC' at 0.0052,0.35 textcolor rgb 0xffffff plot '/tmp/170211b.dat' using (\$1 - 8270):(\$4 * 1275000/2/0.9) lc 2 " | gnuplot > /pan/vlf/web/tmp/170211b.png The field numbers such as $1 and $4 need the dollar to be escaped with backslash otherwise the shell picks them up. The magic number 1275000/2/0.9 is the coefficient to convert stream amplitude to fT. For anything but the simplest plot, I put the gnuplot commands into a script to echo them into gnuplot. You always have to run it several times to get it right so the script saves work. Long ago gave up finding names for plots and scripts, there are so many, now I just number them with the date and it makes them quite easy to track down in the filesystem, even decades later - so long as I know the approximate date. The above script was named plot170211b. Well worth having some sort of system - you end up after several years with many thousands of data files, scripts and images. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 22:28:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v78KSn0Y025880 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:28:50 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfB2P-0001gW-I1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:23:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfB2H-0001gN-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:23:29 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfB2D-0004W3-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:23:27 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E374D20851 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:23:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xRm7G3Tyyz10Bm for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:23:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598A1DBA.9040404@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 22:23:22 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12349 Hi Paul, Thanks for the image and efforts. And for the advice on vlfrx tools. It will take some time to apply all that. Without the E field (on your side) we may loose a few dB these days i guess. Seems the result is even poorer than on 2.97 kHz? But we can't say much in such conditions, don't we/you? What do you suggest, does it makes sense to continue to run the carrier? Otherwise i would try some first EbNaut on that 82 km band over to DL0AO in 226 km. 73, Stefan Am 08.08.2017 17:31, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > ...since 14:40 UTC [July 28th] a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz > > Here's the best I've got so far, using the daytime signal > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170808a.gif > > Not a significant signal but we could take it as a hint that > something is there. > > This is H-field only, E-field rx is not usable at the moment for > long integrations - too many interruptions for modifications. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 8 22:57:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v78KvMT5025988 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:57:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfBUO-0001nc-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:52:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfBUO-0001nT-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:52:32 +0100 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfBUL-0004dF-7W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:52:31 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.5] ([79.69.154.143]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id fBUIdb7cFlmqOfBUJdPcef; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 21:52:28 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=1605; t=1502225548; bh=NL5lCAPRcUibuI5CZYb4lw0G99uDc7oK5Fe4IVgVgNU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=tMUdDLK1FYQClD3oN2ZT4RV1xBarv/fNCX4HUOdxR9/W0WmBAJOfhN0RKNySXKXUP vmaWtl/L2g5DHhSdNTFhCsuPfBE8jh4g5/3/D2bUZlz4hI3OY+eFDv/WtRkRHhOgnI la6fVbJcEj8nXH/Ml+yHsEUmcDI705MI3rf5+RXY= X-Originating-IP: [79.69.154.143] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.2 cv=H+Sr+6Qi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:117 a=GAHCjFGZ7WbRQebpvY1Phw==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=YTKDctWr1wGSX5kGTV0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=EAKljw3NgGPlOcrPOS8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" From: mal hamilton Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:52:28 +0100 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPmMxUwYJVrPt0F+x4ul6gMWKshrRLWsf5QrTcpeXxkB8cmWbz6ffnlELBukG/3hHD3mExN8zVKurrfjcqj7Pr+yzcvRNhCZxvkwEu9MM5ApeQig1dVC M0yjFrRB0sLM7j9x+D3w0jbBvhoeRQsTd0EnXu67pyd5WCujh8cPt15SfNduhRZDBuG/laQb/6etqVWIo8W4W4f5RRvjcyhAb47twz27uoz8lAfAQbiFrbBY XbWDLdtBTB7zj5uUCfHSAA== X-Scan-Signature: 9d01e9df836df8dd3868645661e1c1f7 Message-Id: Subject: LF: MF DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6C178CB7-4438-4D77-A4F9-AEC246181451_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12350 --_6C178CB7-4438-4D77-A4F9-AEC246181451_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MF GRP Lots of DX acty tonite and best so far SV8RV/2449 Km=20 SM3LNM/1359 EA2HB/1228 De MAL/G3KEV Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --_6C178CB7-4438-4D77-A4F9-AEC246181451_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

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= --_6C178CB7-4438-4D77-A4F9-AEC246181451_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 9 15:50:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: : mailn 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v79DoZ95029549 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:50:36 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfRDD-0002f9-Ox for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:39:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfRDA-0002f0-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:39:48 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfRD7-0007cr-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:39:47 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NvZR45SYlfdfwmYYHJVcg1fNkE7aSDnaFRzbDBwIf18=; b=iDZnnMTjewcsdmgtH+OUFMrCsZ kaPsd0XEyaLLveHJdOF0IPiLqeLNa6sbbTKYz5jrJ/6NWeCUGvI0muEw39qvEzt5zZJQzcSUUBE/Y 6Uf4REMX798yZnhgvMcg2pBTadLhdhbcgIKX/yfTlNI/BauenV5PvjoNNwBaS5sD3iTU=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:53866 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfRD5-0007dg-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:39:43 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB3C40073E for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:39:42 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <598A1DBA.9040404@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <31b55d24-5fc0-63cd-9e8d-e0b0d25af8c6@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:39:42 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <598A1DBA.9040404@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 1708620d3ce65bee0beaaede7929769a Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12351 I'm measuring about 0.016 fT daytime, 0.045 fT nighttime. Daytime signal phase leads the night phase by about 67 degrees. Combining and normalising day/night signals and excluding the terminator periods gives http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170809a.gif Still not significant, only about 3.5 sigma, 10.9 dB S/N in 1.13 uHz. > Seems the result is even poorer than on 2.97 kHz? Probably just because I'm not using the E-field. > i would try some first EbNaut on that 82 km band over > to DL0AO in 226 km. Yes, if the S/N is good enough at DL0A0. Not much use continuing with carrier when I only have half a receiver. This afternoon I'll do some more work on the new E-field rx. Running side-by-side comparison with the old rx. I've been working on the new rx for over 2 years but the system noise is still consistently 0.1 dB worse than the existing rx. The front-end noise of the new rx is lower but the bandwidth is wider. The extra signal is raising the noise floor slightly due to a tiny amount of distortion in the line driver and isolating transformers. On the test bench the new rx does very well: very low noise and low distortion. But with the full signal from the antenna there is enough mixing to slightly raise the noise floor. I just need that 0.1 dB and also to cure some mechanical noises (microphonics) when the wind blows. PS, the new rx also also covers 137 kHz! -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 9 16:06:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v79E6mt4029610 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:06:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfRYm-0002m3-Ak for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:02:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfRYl-0002lu-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:02:07 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfRYi-0007i8-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:02:06 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6E7F20CBE for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xSCcm4rT6z10Hl for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598B15D8.4040608@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:02:00 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <598A1DBA.9040404@posteo.de> <31b55d24-5fc0-63cd-9e8d-e0b0d25af8c6@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <31b55d24-5fc0-63cd-9e8d-e0b0d25af8c6@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12352 Hi Paul, Am 09.08.2017 15:39, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > I'm measuring about 0.016 fT daytime, 0.045 fT nighttime. > > Daytime signal phase leads the night phase by about 67 degrees. > > Combining and normalising day/night signals and excluding > the terminator periods gives > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170809a.gif > > Still not significant, only about 3.5 sigma, 10.9 dB S/N > in 1.13 uHz. Thanks for that. I am happy with the result. It is not one of the main bands anyway, just a short trip to 82 km :-) So i will soon try some EbNaut with DL0AO. > The extra signal is raising the noise floor slightly > due to a tiny amount of distortion in the line driver and > isolating transformers. Did you ever try optocouplers instead of isolation transformers? For example an ADUM-4160 ? Could this be an alternative? > On the test bench the new rx does very > well: very low noise and low distortion. But with the full > signal from the antenna there is enough mixing to slightly raise > the noise floor. I just need that 0.1 dB and also to cure some > mechanical noises (microphonics) when the wind blows. > > PS, the new rx also also covers 137 kHz! The results on 137 kHz will be interesting. Will you publish the final schematic when the system is completed? 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 9 16:52:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v79EqqBK029779 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:52:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfSHU-0002uE-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:48:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfSHU-0002u5-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:48:20 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfSHQ-0007uf-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:48:18 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE5920A02 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xSDf30Ymrzypd for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 16:48:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598B20AA.5070704@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 16:48:10 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <597AC385.8070108@rtv5.cz> <15d88d4c847-7d6d-2b953@webprd-m86.mail.aol.com> <597B509E.8080105@posteo.de> <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000607010903030400000907" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12353 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000607010903030400000907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi VLF, An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths: *f = 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 10.August.2017 00:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 120 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 24h Antenna current: 160 mA* 73, Stefan Am 05.08.2017 11:15, schrieb DK7FC: > VLF, > > After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an > interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-) > It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected. > > The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my > Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured > including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few > days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed > them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, > so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work. > > Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX > loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it > up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! > So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to > check the system more seriously. > > The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to > receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks > like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West, > http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm > Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad! > > I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then > in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that > frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has > developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in > that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the > message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to > pass... > > So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, > LF/MF/VLF related? > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC: >> Hi VLF, >> >> I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was >> used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under >> maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already >> dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter >> PVC tube again. >> So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just >> connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz >> i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, >> i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to >> stay away from multiples of 1 Hz. >> >> So, now *since 14:40 UTC* a carrier is running on *3675.005 Hz*. The >> antenna current is *170 mA*. I estimate the *ERP is just 3 uW*! >> >> I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the *82 km* >> band and that class of ERP (?). >> >> Hopefully the coil will hold the *15.5 kV* with just 5 stacks of >> windings. It's inductance is *3.9 H* in the moment! >> >> I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the >> feedback. >> >> Good luck for the VLF experts! >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html >> (First pixel appears in 30 minutes) >> --------------000607010903030400000907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi VLF,

An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths:

f = 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 10.August.2017  00:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 120 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 24h
Antenna current: 160 mA

73, Stefan



Am 05.08.2017 11:15, schrieb DK7FC:
VLF,

After nearly 8 days the carrier is still on the air without an interruption, despite occasional thunderstorms :-)
It looks like the SNR is suffering by summer QRN, as expected.

The stable carrier was good for doing local tests with my Raspi+Octo-soundcard. The system is now completely configured including system time setting via the GPS module. I recorded a few days from the carrier, converted the data files into wav, reprocessed them in SpecLab: The carrier is stable and on the expected frequency, so the sample rate correction via vlfrx tools seems to work.

Forthermore i corrected some bugs in the circuit of my portable RX loop preamp for VLF (must have been late in the night when i built it up a few months ago). Now the noise is much lower. It looks promising! So it is time for a portable VLF experiment in the far field, just to check the system more seriously.

The crew of DL0AO has built up and optimised their VLF system to receive the weak 3675.005 Hz carrier in abt 220 km distance. Looks like there is something on their cardioidal spectrogram pointing to West,
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
Something like 10 dB SNR in 31 uHz. That's not so bad!

I will run it for some more time until the trace is a bit longer. Then in some days i like to start transmitting an EbNaut message on that frequency which can be stacked until a decode appears. Markus has developed a tool for windows to do the stacking, maybe it works in that experiment... It will also be a test to see if i can decode the message from my own recording using vlfrx tools, an important step to pass...

So far so good. What are YOUR projects you are currently working on, LF/MF/VLF related?

73, Stefan


Am 28.07.2017 16:56, schrieb DK7FC:
Hi VLF,

I'm back from LF for a while and built up my large VLF coil which was used on 2970 Hz in the beginning of the year. Actually it is under maintenance, one of the six stacks has to be replaced. It is already dismantled but the new wire is not yet wound on the 250 mm diameter PVC tube again.
So now the resonance is higher! I didn't know where it is and just connected the coil and scanned the frequency downwards. Near 3685 Hz i found a maximum of the antenna. Since the Q is not extremely high, i decided to tune to 3675 Hz and added the usual 5 mHz offset, to stay away from multiples of 1 Hz.

So, now since 14:40 UTC a carrier is running on 3675.005 Hz. The antenna current is 170 mA. I estimate the ERP is just 3 uW!

I guess this is a first amateur radio transmission on the 82 km band and that class of ERP (?).

Hopefully the coil will hold the 15.5 kV with just 5 stacks of windings. It's inductance is 3.9 H in the moment!

I intend to run the carrier for at least a few days, depending on the feedback.

Good luck for the VLF experts!

73, Stefan

PS: A 424 uHz RDF spectrogram is running at http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html (First pixel appears in 30 minutes)

--------------000607010903030400000907-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 9 19:05:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v79H5lvg030303 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 19:05:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dfULW-00036e-Vc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:00:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dfULW-00036V-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:00:38 +0100 Received: from omr-m013e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dfULR-0008Pa-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:00:36 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com [172.27.3.208]) by omr-m013e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4C8163800050 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 8A1A738000081 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80.146.228.87 by webprd-m41.mail.aol.com (10.74.51.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Aug 2017 13:00:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:00:29 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dc7f0bbb6-4604-a837@webprd-m41.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <31b55d24-5fc0-63cd-9e8d-e0b0d25af8c6@abelian.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [80.146.228.87] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1502298030; bh=zbTC1YMtcMW9cpag3nUGfQg3jK5x+Z7c5sg+ckC9EV8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ID730JwoPKN0r+xo0xY3nTjxPa/6CO3s51Glf9TtR0BxyQ6opF5POnUeRPe927aqh ANaZygCsunCKrBZ0Ak1a11vwWoL0z3TPdMxKkFJ+gUgjhDWbaP5jWagPb7EnzSMChP C5UuIXJFc+uqG84Wc9cqBVasuM20wZXVzgQwIGmw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b03d0598b3fad2738 X-Scan-Signature: 79aab7440207271f32757adc503f8c76 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50593_396720625.1502298028980" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12354 ------=_Part_50593_396720625.1502298028980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul, > Not much use continuing with carrier when I only have half a receiver > but the system noise is still consistently 0.1 dB worse than the existing= rx Hmm, loosing 3 dB or more while attempting to gain the last 0.1 dB - someti= mes being perfectionist can be a curse ;-) All the best, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Paul Nicholson An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 9. Aug 2017 15:43 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz I'm measuring about 0.016 fT daytime, 0.045 fT nighttime. Daytime signal phase leads the night phase by about 67 degrees. Combining and normalising day/night signals and excluding the terminator periods gives http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170809a.gif Still not significant, only about 3.5 sigma, 10.9 dB S/N in 1.13 uHz. > Seems the result is even poorer than on 2.97 kHz? Probably just because I'm not using the E-field. > i would try some first EbNaut on that 82 km band over > to DL0AO in 226 km. Yes, if the S/N is good enough at DL0A0. Not much use continuing with carrier when I only have half a receiver. This afternoon I'll do some more work on the new E-field rx. Running side-by-side comparison with the old rx. I've been working on the new rx for over 2 years but the system noise is still consistently 0.1 dB worse than the existing rx. The front-end noise of the new rx is lower but the bandwidth is wider. The extra signal is raising the noise floor slightly due to a tiny amount of distortion in the line driver and isolating transformers. On the test bench the new rx does very well: very low noise and low distortion. But with the full signal from the antenna there is enough mixing to slightly raise the noise floor. I just need that 0.1 dB and also to cure some mechanical noises (microphonics) when the wind blows. PS, the new rx also also covers 137 kHz! -- Paul Nicholson -- ------=_Part_50593_396720625.1502298028980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Paul,

> Not much use continuing with carrie= r when I only have half a receiver

> but the system noise is stil= l consistently 0.1 dB worse than the existing rx

Hmm, loosing 3 dB o= r more while attempting to gain the last 0.1 dB - sometimes being = ;perfectionist can be a curse ;-)

All the best,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Paul Nicholson <vlf040= 3@abelian.org>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=
Verschickt: Mi, 9. Aug 2017 15:43
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.= 005 Hz


I'm measuring about 0.016 fT daytime, 0.045 fT nigh= ttime.

Daytime signal phase leads the night phase by about 67 degree= s.

Combining and normalising day/night signals and excluding
the = terminator periods gives

http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170809a.gif
<= br>Still not significant, only about 3.5 sigma, 10.9 dB S/N
in 1.13 uHz.=

> Seems the result is even poorer than on 2.97 kHz?

Prob= ably just because I'm not using the E-field.

> i would try some = first EbNaut on that 82 km band over
> to DL0AO in 226 km.

Ye= s, if the S/N is good enough at DL0A0. Not much use continuing
with car= rier when I only have half a receiver.

This afternoon I'll do some m= ore work on the new E-field rx.
Running side-by-side comparison with the= old rx.

I've been working on the new rx for over 2 years but the sy= stem
noise is still consistently 0.1 dB worse than the existing rx.
T= he front-end noise of the new rx is lower but the bandwidth is
wider. T= he extra signal is raising the noise floor slightly
due to a tiny amount= of distortion in the line driver and
isolating transformers. On the te= st bench the new rx does very
well: very low noise and low distortion. = But with the full
signal from the antenna there is enough mixing to slig= htly raise
the noise floor. I just need that 0.1 dB and also to cure s= ome
mechanical noises (microphonics) when the wind blows.

PS, the= new rx also also covers 137 kHz!

--
Paul Nicholson
--

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------=_Part_50593_396720625.1502298028980-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 11 11:22:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7B9M4br006645 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:22:06 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dg5xT-000521-Vo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:10:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dg5xT-00051s-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:10:19 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dg5xQ-0007Rk-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX24.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-exmbx24.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.11.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-1.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94AF840A8; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be (10.112.11.62) by ICTS-S-EXMBX24.luna.kuleuven.be (10.112.11.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:22:20 +0200 Received: from ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::291a:cc4f:6953:698a]) by ICTS-S-EXMBX27.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::291a:cc4f:6953:698a%25]) with mapi id 15.00.1263.000; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:22:20 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" Thread-Topic: [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers Thread-Index: AQHTEoGuztLK6Wu5yUisJkUV5WgLfqJ+4OpS Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:22:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1502443345293.67460@kuleuven.be> References: <598D7472.14680.479DEB6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <598D7472.14680.479DEB6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-GB, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.112.50.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: f96cf275b647c6518ccd6045bf68c737 Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_150244334529367460kuleuvenbe_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12356 --_000_150244334529367460kuleuvenbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I assume that it has washed off a ship on it's way to Stefan ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk name= ns 'Mike Dennison' mike.dennison@ntlworld.com [rsgb_lf_group] Verzonden: vrijdag 11 augustus 2017 11:10 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers Anyone looking for some big plastic pipe to wind their kHz coils on should take a look at: www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-40886835/giant-pipes-wash-up- on-norfolk-beaches Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D __._,_.___ ________________________________ Posted by: "Mike Dennison" ________________________________ Reply via web post * Reply = to sender * Reply to group * Start a new topic * Me= ssages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group [Yahoo! 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I assume that it has washed off a ship on it's way to Stefan ;-)


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Anyone looking for some big plastic pipe to wind their kHz coils on
should take a look at:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-40886835/giant-pipes-wash-up-
on-norfolk-beaches

Mike, G3XDV
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--_000_150244334529367460kuleuvenbe_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 11 11:53:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7B9rpOp006770 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:53:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dg6Zw-0005F9-MU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:50:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dg6Zv-0005F0-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:50:03 +0100 Received: from smtp06.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.128] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dg6Zt-0007dg-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:50:02 +0100 Received: from PCFMF ([109.219.88.49]) by mwinf5d29 with ME id vlps1v00313su8l03lpsyG; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:49:59 +0200 X-ME-Helo: PCFMF X-ME-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:49:59 +0200 X-ME-IP: 109.219.88.49 Message-ID: <705ECEDF40AC4B6BB2D6242EA457DD8A@PCFMF> From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: References: <598D7472.14680.479DEB6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <598D7472.14680.479DEB6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:49:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170811-0, 11/08/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: VLF coil formers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12357 Hello dear Mike. Thanks for information, but I think that the diameter of this pipe is very very much too small for a kHz coil... May be a 15 meters diameter plastic pipe be a good choice ? But sorry, here I have a tiny garden. HI ! 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Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7BDFL7A007616 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:15:22 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dg9gw-0005bR-Bf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:09:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dg9gv-0005bI-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:09:29 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dg9gs-0008Uk-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:09:28 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB04620B7D for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xTQM716TXzyrK for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598DAC81.3030500@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:09:21 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <598D7472.14680.479DEB6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1502443345293.67460@kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <1502443345293.67460@kuleuven.be> X-Scan-Signature: 280b6f92979e78e2e1f858016e075ea9 Subject: Re: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030100030404040903080201" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12359 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030100030404040903080201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm waiting since days but now i know why it doesn't arrive. Never mind, it has a bad length/diameter anyway. But good for high voltages! 73, Stefan Am 11.08.2017 11:22, schrieb Rik Strobbe: > > I assume that it has washed off a ship on it's way to Stefan ;-) > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > namens 'Mike Dennison' > mike.dennison@ntlworld.com [rsgb_lf_group] > > *Verzonden:* vrijdag 11 augustus 2017 11:10 > *Aan:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *CC:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > *Onderwerp:* [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers > > Anyone looking for some big plastic pipe to wind their kHz coils on > should take a look at: > > www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-40886835/giant-pipes-wash-up- > on-norfolk-beaches > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: "Mike Dennison" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > . Reply to sender > > . Reply to group > > . Start a new topic > > . Messages in this topic > > (1) > > Visit Your Group > > > > Yahoo! Groups > > > . Privacy > . > Unsubscribe > > . Terms of Use > > > . > > __,_._,___ --------------030100030404040903080201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm waiting since days but now i know why it doesn't arrive. Never mind, it has a bad length/diameter anyway. But good for high voltages!

73, Stefan

Am 11.08.2017 11:22, schrieb Rik Strobbe:

I assume that it has washed off a ship on it's way to Stefan ;-)


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk> namens 'Mike Dennison' mike.dennison@ntlworld.com [rsgb_lf_group] <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 augustus 2017 11:10
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] VLF coil formers
 
 

Anyone looking for some big plastic pipe to wind their kHz coils on
should take a look at:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-40886835/giant-pipes-wash-up-
on-norfolk-beaches

Mike, G3XDV
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--------------030100030404040903080201-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 11 15:35:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7BDZm81007654 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:35:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgA1o-0005i2-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:31:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgA1n-0005ht-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:31:03 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgA1m-0000BL-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:31:02 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D71A120BD3 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xTQr274jpz10Hf for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:30:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <598DB192.3080803@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 15:30:58 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <597AC385.8070108@rtv5.cz> <15d88d4c847-7d6d-2b953@webprd-m86.mail.aol.com> <597B509E.8080105@posteo.de> <59858CB7.3000202@posteo.de> <598B20AA.5070704@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <598B20AA.5070704@posteo.de> Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050009090908030009010300" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12360 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050009090908030009010300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010602010400050403050607" --------------010602010400050403050607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by stacking these two transmissions. Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the BPSK as recveived on the tree. I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower: *f = 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 12.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 80 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 16h Antenna current: 160 mA* 73, Stefan Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC: > Hi VLF, > > An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the > range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths: > > *f = 3675.005000 Hz > Start time: 10.August.2017 00:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 120 s > Characters: 3 > CRC bits: 7 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 24h > Antenna current: 160 mA* > > 73, Stefan --------------010602010400050403050607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by stacking these two transmissions.
Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the BPSK as recveived on the tree.

I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower:

f = 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 12.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 80 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 16h
Antenna current: 160 mA


73, Stefan



Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC:
Hi VLF,

An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths:

f = 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 10.August.2017  00:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 120 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 24h
Antenna current: 160 mA

73, Stefan
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From: owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dhchurch
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:15 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group
Subject: Re: LF: VLF coil formers

 

Hello Mike 

 

You could live at one end and wind the co= il at the other

 

Hugh, M0DSZ

 

From: Mike Dennison =

Receiver: rsgb_lf_group

Time: 2017-08-11= , 10:10:10

Subject: LF: VLF= coil formers

 

Anyone loo= king for some big plastic pipe to wind their kHz coils on
should take a look at:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-40886835/giant-pipe= s-wash-up-
on-norfolk-beaches

Mike, G3XDV
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X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12362 Markus wrote: > loosing 3 dB or more while attempting to gain the > last 0.1 dB - sometimes being perfectionist can be a curse ;-) I made a change today, now the difference is worse, 0.22 dB. This is typical, two steps forward and one step backwards. If I didn't have two independent receivers running side by side, I wouldn't be aware of this defect. But sometimes 0.1dB makes the difference between decode or not. Operating on the edge of the cliff. You can listen to the new rx online, for the weekend http://abelian.org/vlf/detail.php?stream=vlf1 and follow the link to 'Play Stream'. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 11 21:25:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7BJOtiP009077 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:24:56 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgFUO-0006Gu-Uz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:20:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgFUO-0006Gl-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:20:56 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgFUL-0001Qz-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:20:55 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wIRBdzvJHcSZ4zH6ErnB5gpx5XTyf4Ke/foELLK4+Mc=; b=vzVYbaLW+Y1OmVN+dRahpVAkZB lU2+ge7nCCP0vkxpPoAgkdy5YIryMvGqvPKORz5NcrdM9YRwaZ47N8zFGCtmi3HlD496nzbvSzBqW eo+roEmZYakRTGWTvv8iGM67e9bwb/8jurXVgvEkwsu3zfwImd+1djtApCYwLWZeTeVw=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:36153 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgFUL-0003ex-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 20:20:53 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DE240073E for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:20:50 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:20:50 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: ce0e5a4ae990e5a63db3ab7aea21191b Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12363 Terry wrote: > still no sign of gps synchronisation As root or with sudo, killall gpsd to stop the daemon, then have a look to see if the GPS is sending data: stty -F /dev/ttyACM0 -echo cat /dev/ttyACM0 Should give you regular bursts of NMEA messages. Look out for the $GPGLL and $GPRMC which contain date and time respectively. Now try gpsd in foreground gpsd -bnN -D3 /dev/ttyACM0 which should print bunches of stuff as each burst of NMEA packets is processed by gpsd. Leave it running in foreground and open up another shell. ntpd is probably already running, so in the other shell run ntpq -p After a short period of time you should have remote refid st t when poll reach ... ====================================================== ... *SHM(0) .GPS. 0 l 1 16 377 ... where the * in front of SHM shows that ntpd is getting the time from gpsd via some shared memory variables. The 'when' value will be counting up. In ntp.conf I'm using server 127.127.28.0 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 fudge 127.127.28.0 time1 0.051 refid GPS The 0.051 is probably not correct, it was just a cut-and-paste from somewhere else. When you get it working you might want to tweak the 0.051 for your actual comms latency. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 09:17:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7C7Gwlh011338 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:16:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgQVe-0006y1-6e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:06:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgQVd-0006xs-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:06:57 +0100 Received: from nm33-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.106]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgQVa-0003PQ-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:06:56 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sky.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky.com; s=s1024; t=1502521611; bh=ThODlR348PCkxKHbIG7mhEFvVgscNlaQIdHdsNYPOwA=; h=From:Subject:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=lJip8lK2CtQ1/H6LCMqAaDUfVAtzHNFh3KiUDrO7o7HO7Glx3nK5psG9BkP45jx6b8gyGy471jmACJNZzaBHyJeS0jC4hX548OQz3xrKv/mP8VXtAE99In7quCzxAM4M49oDBCYRBf5Z0H21vJ9fIJl0Afx00y1FQBx9VSkhJW4= Received: from [212.82.98.60] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 07:06:51 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.113] by tm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 07:06:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 07:06:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 748720.36974.bm@smtp150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9zW.vWsVM1mnDuUhGK9nBzHO9ZCxkEtuLx3Pv5h_ZizoRE7 DCAMTiHafErIZKuAEuu3NlDWPQGZzW.WbAw3Tj_T7y.n.8nUyGRAzLw4hA1I QVJnfw5x8w6pHdkXqG9QYPaKDZPRL2r4NBdw5VI1dex0jiXDOoqSLW2FLtF7 _yHp19YML22p5xWeR_Q5nCpCeblPToWTOKJ29Hcjn7AuwXiTgq9hLek.cy9t KSLGSnSfEKp_Gv3LdXa2.Z4u5pLDL4sNMo5UKrKGUJ58D34AKuNZOkNIIgom Xu0GwYLpu3o896jVH2_X.32Irap2Qb01F99EPFwk08_Q6.lvd6y6qCKWpuC_ WPpkGxuFA553oKRev88Pit0yprqnP.b4CvpI1vGWjonFYtAl3MsvRZlrrFkg F6yNT2rTl4xyXWTR2unJLeumu1N8o7WBV4mt9ZNYhDQEPXwlJZocKLx2N9ZO G4NsIsP4H06DsFSlGhgpMJ6Cv53ftIjLvVVWW2WUhdh4Rrq0R.Q623I5KKZP nO6Dr5i5K5WzVcyP78yo2cA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: j_3SYsmswBC2aNV_OIrcnikG.xLMmVTqADJjU_0.aphs7U0_qeEUQejE0GGg From: Terry G0EZY To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> Message-ID: <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:06:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Scan-Signature: 6ffbd2c9950b634d6cc91f9565b01a8b Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12364 Paul - thanks for advice. Apologies to others as this is a bit OT. Ntp is now running from the gps. However, gpsd still required additional commands to work. This command: sudo gpsd -bnN -D3 /dev/ttyACM0 gave error messages about: " can't bind to IPv4 port gpsd, Address already in use" While looking on other ntp websites, I saw a note that if using Raspbian Jessie or later, a systemd service (installed by gpsd) should be disabled as it interferes with manually run gpsd instances. After giving the commands: sudo systemctl stop gpsd.socket sudo systemctl disable gpsd.socket Then command: sudo gpsd -bnN -D3 /dev/ttyACM0 runs without error, giving various launching and listening INFO messages from gpsd and the wanted result shows in ntpq. Now I know the system can work, I'm hoping I can avoid all this procedure each time by using an appropriate config file so that gpsd/ntp can be initiated to run correctly in the background at boot up? Just for info, I am running Raspbian Jessie Lite on a RaPi3 with an Octosound. vlfrx tools is installed and working. 73 Terry From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 10:27:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7C8R3Ch011450 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:27:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgRgQ-00077r-3t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:22:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgRgO-00077i-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:22:08 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgRgK-0003hj-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:22:07 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=n2iI8WHr9ebfoqOk3waz5T9VIJ9jeuJ9qSBkNceBmkA=; b=3pkG6tq1TG98VHouqf/fyD3vAu X9LPCHezXUuirxQYyGdU+7ZTPycIf/hLWefefr0HuehlMV4pX0i0SmF8GOFsWkTksixLbaax1Uzhk BlJ5fbAuWPrTUmqchvdiRPlcoJ1APs/K99ZsPY/gsQlfX2BK/OqPjzIzQdpz0wJeu220=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:38739 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgRgH-0007Gm-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 09:22:02 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAF04008BC for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:21:47 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <65293e6a-e27a-2cf5-19b1-cd2941d8396a@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 08:21:47 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 290c8768709872f914a4ca71ad6bfe49 Subject: Re: LF: vlfrx tools question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12365 Terry wrote: > Apologies to others as this is a bit OT. Probably not very OT, I would say most relevant to LF and VLF operation. Getting gpsd and ntpd running opens the way to using coherent signaling and to be able to combine signals from multiple antennas. Even without coherent operation, the ability to record continuous timestamped raw signal means you never have to miss any activity and you can decide later which direction the antenna needed to point. You can run all your favourite amateur radio programs, but their source is vtread via vtmix, not the antenna signal directly. > gave error messages about: > " can't bind to IPv4 port gpsd, Address already in use" Looks like systemd is restarting gpsd after you killed it. Well, your GPS and ntpd are working OK by the looks of it. It just remains to make systemd launch it at boot time, with the right settings. It is probably also necessary to disable the getty program on /dev/ttyACM0. I don't know anything about systemd, I'd better go learn about it! I grew up in the era of /etc/rc.d and /etc/inittab, traditional unix start-up. systemd is supposed to be better, allowing hot plug devices to be handled and dynamically resolving dependencies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd I can understand the objections that many have to it. Unix philosophy has always been to build systems from small toolkit programs. A giant complicated monolithic program that tries to do everything itself, goes against that. It can probably be used to start up all your vlfrx-tools programs needed for reception and raw storage. In the old days, you just put everything into /etc/rc.local Unfortunately, none of my computers here or at work use systemd so I can't at the moment advise on how to set it up. I'll have to load the latest Raspbian onto a spare RPi and have a play. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 12:09:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CA9epB011644 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:09:42 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgTHV-0007I1-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:04:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgTHU-0007Hs-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:04:32 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgTHR-00042P-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:04:31 +0100 Received: from InernetPC ([84.130.245.170]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lhf3N-1dKczC11Rh-00msfk for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:04:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:04:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:FZHpIJqgTVBIx7x9gc+c1K4FNBrS0lfGnFz1a9onbjm/FaBK03f OvEyjNc0Svsc33CxDXjodaA4saCgOYGcxbRqj4bD9Kuo3nHsNnXiR7Z3lFVFc1Kzvx37j9/ gs89l+8/ffwg9z4pAuRPVM+OSpLdaSoOASMFxliSDYJY37e4A9/Bt3N5o9KzuFMB22eR8sH ILchHu8GNRFVYJ15ln5og== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:0QQhAtSrJRA=:Xw8GlS9xyxdH7Ck5SatbEL u67pUBYsWeAyBYupuDaowe+u0i/0SvwVdiq8wVXm2C9AD2JvHvxwSC34R+x4vo3+z21oadQPI XHgxOrWCUr7pE3tqMPCSSSUgqWGlWm+hMm6wSw/KdmJ9UZOnQQvtbfbjIx7yHNxwD0sWeLb8a 67mmItLSFO/hCislPT1GPZswZJsDC0Z+gEyB9QX9guCHl5R64qa194CQ7OUrCZ9nbrw14Y7/9 ElqK4bPOBVgzd8UVtuUz51cViSmKEPCrDWGSUZxTDyom3JUd4SKOO3vxabLwQkwXRHwvtZVJ5 VP7bF3rcGYZOUHev0Rm4EQqqFsMcXgxTbmH0u9LzYjfyUMpvwT3nzFDlwyBfYyaB7BW+Tg5YO iJZ1jDzKvUfVWIIw+S+Lf04rtbsFLbTdDcF2kqPcLFoPgKOgzBDm0EKSunnzKYEQW/QFKFiFk Yfx+mKILk7aZMDC9L8W7Qo3RM40MfWbSzi8Vb0tApYuglFBDYY1U1uLpwEamM5dO/2Ooiwyvj v+7781QA0rFoIzXFjfsNEH8B49UmJYpV1y6MDmQ20et6yxSj79Nir2xMxeXIRMBZNMsMUowD0 xVmZ6cKNEM9O9+SDAYmb8vOnyCVBr2/INIUWcaa/PP9hD6iDpjVCoMy9pYqeikHIA4viavyWg sELXcPqU4uVch1xQn6SLRI51tZ1GWVT4n8Ozb1u6OJKafggT3WXYyQ4Dd7SVsmuNhmrTSNDhZ 4KlNUcoAZYhV2J9XacArxM69WaAi7RPVLCihI0Zfa//MgttXDOv08JifeG/T6UlNVvNVPJ40C 70tieJ3sYjqGVJhCetqpyNth0Z3qWu8ACJCGGkpV6y8N3YhuTXOWSQTdKf33CRBfdS0WrkbZI YhJCslGnrV5ClSXUBKG+k5l95YprXKZJhXRpaQGQ9Hou8yzyTC/IpFDx7+Nzlq X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D31363.275DDFF0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12366 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D31363.275DDFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Group, here is a new program for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. This program allows the telephony on LF and MF. Have fun with experimenting. http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb vy 73 Thomas DM4TR ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D31363.275DDFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Group,
 
here is a = new program=20 for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW.
This program allows the = telephony=20 on LF and MF.
Have fun=20 with experimenting.
 
 
vy 73 Thomas = DM4TR
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D31363.275DDFF0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 12:47:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CAlFa4011750 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:47:17 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgTtD-0007PN-Fd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:43:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgTtC-0007PE-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:43:30 +0100 Received: from omr-m019e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgTt8-0004C0-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 11:43:29 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.100]) by omr-m019e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B9C6A3800089 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 691E938000081 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-a12.mail.aol.com (10.72.12.230) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:43:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:43:22 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dd60a8d6d-4dd9-1327f@webprd-a12.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1502534602; bh=ThFXKUIdcUgPrpg4lW0tkyd88UXsxNnMho6Lak55r8U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=P0oedArjrEuSZpwJwWTybXQwEt799kobGjCR3KxA62lncwRDVU3ovJE0CGkM9azf2 7zm82iA9a/W9qp8zqPWYSHVc+ENRKU+AyicarlCMsfkBCRBaXhTEiYunoXreY250mg RSCF3dXX1f3qNggeMN+3O+HPtE2o4HlErj0wnb90= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7f64598edbca3233 X-Scan-Signature: e9930714581255985cd8ec23e321b0b6 Subject: Re: LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_92621_703689274.1502534602091" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12367 ------=_Part_92621_703689274.1502534602091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, thanks for this hint! Since the early experiments with Geri DK8KW (owner of= www.qru.de), I have always maintained an interest in LF voice communicatio= n.=20 A similar method has been tried in 2013, using a deceleration factor of 3, = and some automated scripts for a QSO format with a fixed one-minute time ra= ster (see emails below). A couple of audio results from Twente have been up= loaded to http://www.df6nm.bplaced.net/slowvoice/ (wma files). Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Thomas Rosenkranz An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 12. Aug 2017 12:06 Betreff: LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Hi Group, =20 here is a new program for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. This program allows the telephony on LF and MF. Have fun with experimenting. =20 http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb =20 vy 73 Thomas DM4TR _________________________________________________________ From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 14:03 Subject: LF: Slow Voice - testing on 137.0 kHz =EF=BB=BF=20 Yesterday morning I have uploaded a new version SlowVoice v0.2 to http://www.df6nm.bplaced.net/slowvoice/SlowVoice.zip I have reworked some details of the timing, and added simplified scripts fo= r receive-only and transmit-only in mono mode. The serial port PTT control = utility has also been modified to function under WinXP. =20 =20 This afternoon I am sending a few slow voice tests with 3 times deceleratio= n in 1-minute frames. The 800 Hz wide passband is centered on 137.0 kHz, th= us 136.6 to 137.4 kHz corresponds to 0.3 to 2.7 kHz audio. Attached screens= hot shows the narrow SSB signal on the Twente WebSDR tuned to 135.5 kHz USB= . I used a narrow passband to improve rejection for DCF and HGA. This audio= around fc=3D1500 Hz was fed to the receive-only utility, which then produc= ed clear speech during 20 seconds of each minute.=20 =20 I intend to run some more test transmissions this afternoon, starting now 1= 4 UT. Any reports would be much appriciated! =20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 11:31 PM Subject: LF: Slow Voice utility A few minutes ago I have uploaded an experimental SlowVoice script to http://www.df6nm.bplaced.net/slowvoice/SlowVoice.zip =20 The main purpose is to be able to convey high quality speech in less than 8= 00 Hz on the RF side, as prescribed by German LF and MF regulations. By def= ault, an audio band of 300 to 2700 Hz is slowed by a factor of 3 and upconv= erted to 1500 Hz center frequency. Thus a range of 1200 to 2000 Hz is fed t= o the SSB transmitter. As an aside benefit we get a very much welcome 5 dB = improvement in SNR. =20 Like JT9-1, the procedure is clock-synchronized in fixed one-minute time sl= ots. At the beginning of the minute, the transmitting station is asked to s= peak for 20 seconds. It feels a bit like to speaking to a telephone answeri= ng machine ;-) The slow converted output of the growing audio buffer begins= to play immediately, and will go on during the whole minute. On the receiv= e side, fast replay begins at second number 40, and the shrinking buffer wi= ll finally be used up by the end of the minute. =20 The SlowVoice.bat script is set up for full duplex operation. One channel i= s supposed to handle the transmit side (eg. mic connected to left input, tr= ansmitter to left output), while the other channel has the receiver fed to = the input and phones on the output. This is symmetrical, and there is no fu= rther need to switch audio pathways between TX and RX. It is also possible = to monitor the result of one's own transmission, eg. by physically connecti= ng left line out to right in. If you want you can use SpecLab in conjunctio= n with Virtual Audio Cable to preprocess both the mic and receiver audio in= puts. In this case VAC will have to be selected as the standard audio input= device before the running the script. =20 Whether a slots is used for TX or RX is not controlled by the software but = only by the user's PTT. I have included two extra scripts which are suppose= d to activate the serial handshake lines (RTS and DTR) on either even or od= d minutes. Unfortunately the port control does not seem to work on my XP ma= chine with an external USB to serial converter, so for the time being you m= ay have to do with either vox control or manual switching. =20 I haven't gotten around writing more detailed instructions, but some basic = hints have been included in the SlowVoice script. Similar to the first slow= WSPR experiments, the whole deceleration / acceleration process is based o= n Wolf's sound utilities which you will need to download from the DL4YHF we= b site. You will have to run the included patch utility once to duplicate S= ndInput and SndOutpt instances. =20 Have fun! And please report bugs and other troubles. =20 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: LF: Bandlimited SSB test on 136 kHz ... =20 Slow voice transmission (ie the audio deceleration/acceleration method orig= inally used by DK8KW and myself) would be nicer as it can fit a full SSB ch= annel into 800 Hz. I have been working on a semi-automatic control, with a = fixed one minute raster similar to JT9-1. This will hopefully allow us to c= omfortably exchange one 20 second voice message per time slot (speak during= seconds 0 to 20, concurrent transmit and receive at 1/3 speed from 0 to 60= , replay starting 40 to 60). Anyone interested? =20 ... ------=_Part_92621_703689274.1502534602091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,

thanks for this hint! Since the early = experiments with Geri DK8KW (owner of www.qru.de), I have always maintained= an interest in LF voice communication.

A similar method has been t= ried in 2013, using a deceleration factor of 3, and some automated scripts&= nbsp;for a QSO format with a fixed one-minute time raster (see emails below= ). A couple of audio results from Twente have been uploaded to ht= tp://www.df6nm.bplaced.net/slowvoice/ (wma files).

Best 73,
Marku= s (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
V= on: Thomas Rosenkranz <Thomas.Rosenkranz.1@gmx.de>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 12. Aug 2017 12:= 06
Betreff: LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW

 
<= font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Whether a slots is used for TX o= r RX is not controlled by the software but only by the user's PTT. I = have included two extra scripts which are supposed to activate the seria= l handshake lines (RTS and DTR) on either even or odd minutes. = Unfortunately the port control does not seem to work on my XP m= achine with an external USB to serial converter, so for the time being yo= u may have to do with either vox control or manual sw= itching.
 
I haven't gotten around writing more detailed instructions, but som= e basic hints have been included in the SlowVoice script. Similar to the first slow WSPR experiments, the w= hole deceleration / acceleration process is based on Wolf's sound ut= ilities which you will need to download from the DL4YHF we= b site. You will have to run the inc= luded patch utility once to duplicate SndInput and SndOutpt instance= s.
 
Have fun! And please r= eport bugs and other troubles.
 
73, Markus (= DF6NM)
  =
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:50 PM
Su= bject: LF: Bandlimited SSB test on 136 kHz
...
 
Slow voice transm= ission (ie the audio deceleration/acceleration method originall= y used by DK8KW and myself) would be nicer as it can fit a full= SSB channel into 800 Hz. I have been working on a semi-au= tomatic control, with a fixed one minute raster similar to JT9-1. Th= is will hopefully allow us to comfortably exchange one 20 second voice me= ssage per time slot (speak during seconds 0 to 20, concurrent transm= it and receive at 1/3 speed from 0 to 60, replay starting = 40 to 60). Anyone interested?
 
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------=_Part_92621_703689274.1502534602091-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 13:43:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CBhVhA011851 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgUlH-0007XY-4Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:39:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgUlG-0007XP-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:39:22 +0100 Received: from omr-m008e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgUlD-0004Ns-F0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:39:21 +0100 Received: from mtaout-mae02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mae02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.142]) by omr-m008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9E3083800114 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [71.184.30.156] (0x5b37312e3138342e33302e3135365d [71.184.30.156]) by mtaout-mae02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 521D438000085 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:39:16 -0400 (EDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> From: "Stan, W1LE" Message-ID: <08126e1a-8f6d-53d2-19c6-76fe1d01fe94@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:39:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> Content-Language: en-US x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8e598ee8e47906 X-AOL-IP: 71.184.30.156 X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: LF: Octosound Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12368 Hello The net, Can someone point me to the details of the octosound ? Is it a USB sound card ? I did a Google and an ebay search and got no satisfying answers. Thanks, Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 15:28:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CDSQq6012076 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 15:28:27 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgWOZ-0007hg-T4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:24:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgWOY-0007hX-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:24:02 +0100 Received: from nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.96.253]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgWOT-0004ka-Ub for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:24:01 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sky.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky.com; s=s1024; t=1502544236; bh=SCXVuxw8A04mI1QD0wqnlpow+rxHoFZZH9LKT+8s8mE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=ZRUOs396f3u7bh+bAvyFCrApSEDk9xsyI7oiIzGnjo1zq7eGZpdIG8jZH+OnGbAmWYqPcQjCiQ1t+FlyKgh++oi2qhojtoxQASnNenUwE1c88L1KuWt7cU7nEBCnQPIufU2bmUw1g5IlQVWO9Tz0zFj/kGDW5sfQKJ9CEAZiDVw= Received: from [212.82.98.62] by nm21.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 13:23:56 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.113] by tm15.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 13:23:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2017 13:23:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610131.61420.bm@smtp150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: iJbFhQkVM1nzYicrKzXT65hK_fWZwbLeB8CdWgZ.mjW7xUG tK6d.5_D0BzOA3AcEjoY.Gkxuy01IlqAMdTcr0icidD57J8vEapMO517a_ic Oy_3ej0MqIGulpUxGCJCNEWRW2JRss9NaJNvdPOv.R0jjmdaCx7G8_PYNYS7 kJok.i3JgZ7ShzFx4gILi_1t5YdtMR2Eu6EnCUH0pAZC2ycK01SU98XEmN.3 Qnj2jFirMBDD8HuCjRWjFS4CgDLGY4eLYfXa7pFAkhSMM3GEsTtqOt9VSqUY 343ywcNG20HK9ifNwv_j.qJVanS8sPbOz05JFJe5FARKihp4qTFniTe3PsV8 _phiEcBYRgFAJg3.MXzdkXHtlKMBaHjzEKYbnDjyi0j9jI6.r.XEd_f2Ljb0 h4ksaDFGJETKpTCDqHDjGz67y1SPUQ6dEY6l_SzBWxx.qgkbnxFwL1dkgMhk oQ7_XAdq5COKmLCDO3TY5T_U743wkiZ7xqqfe5snZbtONei.CFqdQOJehKAB sC3cs1TAPdslN0_ZRZCrdZ8i3T7QtqMeq3uYn X-Yahoo-SMTP: j_3SYsmswBC2aNV_OIrcnikG.xLMmVTqADJjU_0.aphs7U0_qeEUQejE0GGg To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> <08126e1a-8f6d-53d2-19c6-76fe1d01fe94@verizon.net> From: Terry G0EZY Message-ID: <0e9cc5a9-f387-5517-22f6-270400ba12f4@sky.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:23:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08126e1a-8f6d-53d2-19c6-76fe1d01fe94@verizon.net> Content-Language: en-US X-Scan-Signature: 0cdfd8d5ce44f1724c623c4ac9f44df6 Subject: Re: LF: Octosound Info Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E2F068522093C6F2420772C4" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12369 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E2F068522093C6F2420772C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stan The Octo soundcard plugs onto the gpio of a Raspberry Pi single board microcomputer, therefore it is suitable for use ONLY with the Raspberry Pi (and a thorough knowledge of Linux !!) * Audio output : 8 channels * Audio input : 6 channels * Sample rate : 96 kHz * Resolution : 24 bit * Codec : CS42448 You should find it by Google: Audio Injector Octo multichannel sound for the Raspberry Pi. The marketing is Flatmax Studios. It is the product of a Kickstarter funding project. Try this website: http://www.audioinjector.net/ I believe it is still available from Amazon.com USA ($58.0). It is also listed on eBay UK for 75 + 15 $Aus from electroacoustics Hong Kong. I bought one from Amazon UK (no longer available) and a second from the eBay source. 73 Terry G0EZY On 12/08/2017 12:39, Stan, W1LE wrote: > Hello The net, > > > Can someone point me to the details of the octosound ? Is it a USB > sound card ? > > I did a Google and an ebay search and got no satisfying answers. > > Thanks, Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr > > > > > --------------E2F068522093C6F2420772C4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Stan

The Octo soundcard plugs onto the gpio of a Raspberry Pi single board microcomputer, therefore it is suitable for use ONLY with the Raspberry Pi (and a thorough knowledge of Linux !!)

  • Audio output : 8 channels
  • Audio input : 6 channels
  • Sample rate : 96 kHz
  • Resolution : 24 bit
  • Codec : CS42448

You should find it by Google:  Audio Injector Octo multichannel sound for the Raspberry Pi. The marketing is Flatmax Studios. It is the product of a Kickstarter funding project.

Try this website: http://www.audioinjector.net/

I believe it is still available from Amazon.com USA ($58.0). It is also listed on eBay UK for 75 + 15 $Aus from electroacoustics Hong Kong.  I bought one from Amazon UK (no longer available) and a second from the eBay source.

73 Terry G0EZY

On 12/08/2017 12:39, Stan, W1LE wrote:
Hello The net,


Can someone point me to the details of the octosound ?  Is it a USB sound card ?

I did a Google and an ebay search and got no satisfying answers.

Thanks,   Stan, W1LE    Cape Cod   FN41sr






--------------E2F068522093C6F2420772C4-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 12 23:19:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CLIlrV012879 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:18:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgde2-000875-Ga for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:08:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgde1-00086w-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:08:29 +0100 Received: from omr-a020e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgddx-0005zS-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:08:28 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com [172.27.20.207]) by omr-a020e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BCBEF3800082 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aal01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD0CB38000081 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-a53.mail.aol.com (10.72.57.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:08:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:08:20 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <598DB192.3080803@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/119757 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1502572101; bh=v98rhhoDmZyD1GyL88uLpzj1QY8EKleEP6AwO1SIa9Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fh/rC1eOWEyRCY6hj1V/x18XG7QQufPqNECmXqz3t1sBW4+i8CQ+O1eEoDqqWbPGj WsuCvITar/AVfqv0WA+WeAZQWKlcHGjJtgDzZOwCvksegk7Gq0gIaUDhlM1O3qnbPC VJvP+nWHZobF7uFWKBjlZ90lsjSduXMHffc2tYW0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b14cf598f6e4456e6 X-Scan-Signature: ea325ff0d4a9c53a3010c97c9e919a12 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_94274_562068622.1502572100236" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12370 ------=_Part_94274_562068622.1502572100236 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_94273_769160994.1502572100236" ------=_Part_94273_769160994.1502572100236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like we got a valid decode of Stefan's 16 hour transmission from t= he DL0AO cardioid antenna.=20 I had also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT. This one= appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), perhaps because= it ended before the QRN increased. We had no success with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and 11th,= neither single days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher QRN level= s than today. BTW Each decode attempt also produced several false hits with relatively go= od ranking, so a longer CRC might be preferable. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 11. Aug 2017 15:32 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut ...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was= one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeate= d the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With Mark= us' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by stacking the= se two transmissions.=20 Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the B= PSK as recveived on the tree. I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a shorter = time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower: f =3D 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 12.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 80 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 16h Antenna current: 160 mA 73, Stefan Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hi VLF,=20 An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the rang= e 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths: f =3D 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 10.August.2017 00:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 120 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 24h Antenna current: 160 mA 73, Stefan ------=_Part_94273_769160994.1502572100236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It looks like we got a valid decode of Stefan'= s 16 hour transmission from the DL0AO cardioid antenna. 

= I had also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT.= This one appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), p= erhaps because it ended before the QRN increased.

We had no success = with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and 11th, neither sing= le days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher QRN levels than t= oday.

BTW Each decode attempt also produced several false hits with = relatively good ranking, so a longer CRC might be preferable.
=
All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)
 


-----Urspr=C3=BCng= liche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: = rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 11. A= ug 2017 15:32
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut

<= /div>
...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by stacking these two transmissions.
Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the BPSK as recveived on the tree.

I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower:

f =3D 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 12.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 80 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 16h
Antenna current: 160 mA


73, Stefan



Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hi VLF,

An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths:
f =3D 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 10.August.2017  00:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 120 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 24h
Antenna current: 160 mA

73, Stefan

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b=NmgfNmToJv2OQOOZ+3/Jijuxj11LOCHql0bG5WGD89mZADxGJCCCe9YWj4l7M0ejq Nzs+HDs1aDu6eLRWnZq7Q6BwRPs95fkUHIkiQTtAJ7K7bev/WO+5LViQXmt2jPf8vI E7iGRRobGmaiXvI+imHzV6LYCwcI11fgY56P7Rm8= Authentication-Results: mxback8g.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web27j.yandex.ru with HTTP; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 00:46:07 +0300 From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <216891502574367@web27j.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 00:46:07 +0300 X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re:LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12371 Hi Tomas, LF! The same mode developed by Alexander RN3AUS at 2014 and called - "Slow Voice" - SV. Topic on russian LF forum: http://136.su/index.php/topic,220.0.html 73! Roman > Hi Group, > > here is a new program > for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. > This program allows the telephony > on LF and MF. > > Have fun > with experimenting. > > http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb > > vy 73 Thomas DM4TR -- 73! Roman, RW3ADB From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 00:51:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7CMplk8013005 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 00:51:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgfBx-0008Md-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:47:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgfBw-0008MU-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:47:36 +0100 Received: from omr-m008e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgfBs-0006GC-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:47:35 +0100 Received: from mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.205]) by omr-m008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B98943800051 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [71.184.29.199] (0x5b37312e3138342e32392e3139395d [71.184.29.199]) by mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 62A1A3800008C for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:47:29 -0400 (EDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> <08126e1a-8f6d-53d2-19c6-76fe1d01fe94@verizon.net> <0e9cc5a9-f387-5517-22f6-270400ba12f4@sky.com> From: "Stan, W1LE" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:47:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0e9cc5a9-f387-5517-22f6-270400ba12f4@sky.com> Content-Language: en-US x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcd598f85814d76 X-AOL-IP: 71.184.29.199 X-Scan-Signature: ab7de7439a3fce0b74220375dc6f18e8 Subject: Re: LF: Octosound Info Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1192DC2DF7CE86E596CF3DCE" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12372 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1192DC2DF7CE86E596CF3DCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Terry, Thanks, great pointers. Will take awhile for me to digest the info and define my application. Stan On 8/12/2017 9:23 AM, Terry G0EZY wrote: > > Hi Stan > > The Octo soundcard plugs onto the gpio of a Raspberry Pi single board > microcomputer, therefore it is suitable for use ONLY with the > Raspberry Pi (and a thorough knowledge of Linux !!) > > * Audio output : 8 channels > * Audio input : 6 channels > * Sample rate : 96 kHz > * Resolution : 24 bit > * Codec : CS42448 > > You should find it by Google: Audio Injector Octo multichannel sound > for the Raspberry Pi. The marketing is Flatmax Studios. It is the > product of a Kickstarter funding project. > > Try this website: http://www.audioinjector.net/ > > I believe it is still available from Amazon.com USA ($58.0). It is > also listed on eBay UK for 75 + 15 $Aus from electroacoustics Hong > Kong. I bought one from Amazon UK (no longer available) and a second > from the eBay source. > > 73 Terry G0EZY > > On 12/08/2017 12:39, Stan, W1LE wrote: >> Hello The net, >> >> >> Can someone point me to the details of the octosound ? Is it a USB >> sound card ? >> >> I did a Google and an ebay search and got no satisfying answers. >> >> Thanks, Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr >> >> >> >> >> > --------------1192DC2DF7CE86E596CF3DCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello Terry, 

Thanks, great pointers. Will take awhile for me to digest the info and define my application.

Stan


On 8/12/2017 9:23 AM, Terry G0EZY wrote:

Hi Stan

The Octo soundcard plugs onto the gpio of a Raspberry Pi single board microcomputer, therefore it is suitable for use ONLY with the Raspberry Pi (and a thorough knowledge of Linux !!)

  • Audio output : 8 channels
  • Audio input : 6 channels
  • Sample rate : 96 kHz
  • Resolution : 24 bit
  • Codec : CS42448

You should find it by Google:  Audio Injector Octo multichannel sound for the Raspberry Pi. The marketing is Flatmax Studios. It is the product of a Kickstarter funding project.

Try this website: http://www.audioinjector.net/

I believe it is still available from Amazon.com USA ($58.0). It is also listed on eBay UK for 75 + 15 $Aus from electroacoustics Hong Kong.  I bought one from Amazon UK (no longer available) and a second from the eBay source.

73 Terry G0EZY

On 12/08/2017 12:39, Stan, W1LE wrote:
Hello The net,


Can someone point me to the details of the octosound ?  Is it a USB sound card ?

I did a Google and an ebay search and got no satisfying answers.

Thanks,   Stan, W1LE    Cape Cod   FN41sr







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> > The same mode developed by Alexander RN3AUS at 2014 and called - "Slow Voice" - SV. > Topic on russian LF forum: > http://136.su/index.php/topic,220.0.html > > 73! > Roman > >> Hi Group, >> >> here is a new program >> for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. >> This program allows the telephony >> on LF and MF. >> >> Have fun >> with experimenting. >> >> http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb >> >> vy 73 Thomas DM4TR From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 10:47:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7D8lkAt014121 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:47:51 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgoUf-0001u7-3t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:43:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgoUe-0001ty-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:43:32 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgoUb-0007es-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 09:43:30 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 092C72008F for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:43:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xVXML3PdczyrK for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:43:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:43:25 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> X-Scan-Signature: 913d7a7c91a460d176c89ad756da16f9 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010508070709030508030304" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12374 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010508070709030508030304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus and the DL0AO crew, My congrats, i confirm the message is correct. That's a first message detection by radio amateurs on frequencies between 3...4 kHz over such a distance. The phase of that best decode is quite varying. Maybe the phase between day and night is changing by more than 120 deg? That could be another reason for the unsuccessful 24 hour transmissions... Let us produce more signals and message decodes to get more impressions from that 'new' band: I'm repeating the same message again today. Then we can compare the results and you can try stacking both transmissions. Later we can try longer stacked messages... 73, Stefan Am 12.08.2017 23:08, schrieb Markus Vester: > It looks like we got a valid decode of Stefan's 16 hour > transmission from the DL0AO cardioid antenna. > > I had also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT. This > one appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), perhaps > because it ended before the QRN increased. > > We had no success with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and > 11th, neither single days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher > QRN levels than today. > > BTW Each decode attempt also produced several false hits with > relatively good ranking, so a longer CRC might be preferable. > > All the best, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Fr, 11. Aug 2017 15:32 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut > > ...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. > It was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result > and repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 > UTC). With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain > 3 dB by stacking these two transmissions. > Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing > the BPSK as recveived on the tree. > > I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a > shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower: > > *f = 3675.005000 Hz > Start time: 12.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 80 s > Characters: 3 > CRC bits: 7 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 16h > Antenna current: 160 mA* > > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC: > > Hi VLF, > > An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in > the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 > wavelengths: > > *f = 3675.005000 Hz > Start time: 10.August.2017 00:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 120 s > Characters: 3 > CRC bits: 7 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 24h > Antenna current: 160 mA* > > 73, Stefan > > --------------010508070709030508030304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus and the DL0AO crew,

My congrats, i confirm the message is correct. That's a first message detection by radio amateurs on frequencies between 3...4 kHz over such a distance.

The phase of that best decode is quite varying. Maybe the phase between day and night is changing by more than 120 deg? That could be another reason for the unsuccessful 24 hour transmissions...
Let us produce more signals and message decodes to get more impressions from that 'new' band: I'm repeating the same message again today. Then we can compare the results and you can try stacking both transmissions. Later we can try longer stacked messages...


73, Stefan



Am 12.08.2017 23:08, schrieb Markus Vester:
It looks like we got a valid decode of Stefan's 16 hour transmission from the DL0AO cardioid antenna. 

I had also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT. This one appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), perhaps because it ended before the QRN increased.

We had no success with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and 11th, neither single days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher QRN levels than today.

BTW Each decode attempt also produced several false hits with relatively good ranking, so a longer CRC might be preferable.

All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)
 


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 11. Aug 2017 15:32
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut

...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by stacking these two transmissions.
Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the BPSK as recveived on the tree.

I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower:

f = 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 12.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 80 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 16h
Antenna current: 160 mA


73, Stefan



Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC:
Hi VLF,

An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths:

f = 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: 10.August.2017  00:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 120 s
Characters: 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 24h
Antenna current: 160 mA

73, Stefan

--------------010508070709030508030304-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 11:43:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7D9h2R8014250 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:43:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgpMM-00022R-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:39:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgpMK-00022I-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:39:00 +0100 Received: from nm36-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.137]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgpMG-0007qO-Oz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:38:59 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sky.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sky.com; s=s1024; t=1502617134; bh=04RIJtgiFnBkkHigv/omLs5DYJXvpDEBPQTUgmlJK2c=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=gg6VSaZnKuOff+qOFq5+pG/HXKVCSsg4JbnAq0Cf4PFn0UJj3NOzp8avGDcvr7wvX9znXFj0cZJfF/eRQBdcRpUFRsBd6JE8+eHstF5+ZPbm0TFNDS2wjKCuuFkcc6bDqKAmu7BQsAGQSTrTNXoJT3NmTaa/sYYSxjTsDLtSAIQ= Received: from [212.82.98.56] by nm36.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2017 09:38:54 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.102] by tm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2017 09:38:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp139.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2017 09:38:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899430.57487.bm@smtp139.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: oAZp6YkVM1n2kavKs20NiwwowbAdWwb77OaCtbJ..3nHi2. xBAqu.a3vq8P7LMZW30QrrXk2UyPgA9cmO3ZTF_lRWJUcwwQ5MY6PpIkJRyV N3DqiEx2h6Fow.vach8zV6xqiD9JM8MN3bwbUGEe1ctPYabnX.36nsxtV0m1 RR7bo8RznnRatjbxVAbsnihYXR2uqfpya4PMaW9IJFQ8HC5yaGCSfvcs1mwn XOIsLU.AWYAwSduXeqzCTfFRn2sJkVX5IEk74ySxHpMhWPQOfDwSdIAiBM1y U1bPIhn54aqvs4Bch0aMg5NKqT6pXRmuQRUBB3o2gfTmlOJGuIx4ZfIHzbE4 Kt7lWLUh6Ii0d2SuloBRPqnUtgofLBAOljTpduXhnLIOGas.P_yT09.uyibV EofXUXInsUJMI1Q2LyMfq7S_7aUaFbIoUJx7Ya419zbfSG9ZDSFr_uiXKhEQ seuxEXjXA5XpfH.F_vEbXG.VDJw8qd.Q3SsMbUqqj1th7w4vCQi5grmJSAOs ND_qzXBdAnTLUv3_vRUdJowcKWFCoN3CpUTgghIFXt7lFjrtLuvOSVw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: j_3SYsmswBC2aNV_OIrcnikG.xLMmVTqADJjU_0.aphs7U0_qeEUQejE0GGg To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15db2643c6f-5f13-23c2@webprd-m101.mail.aol.com> <5986259C.8020409@posteo.de> <59864218.1030605@posteo.de> <75b1b001-f17e-35b0-bcb4-6535fe67fc38@sky.com> <59886FDE.20509@posteo.de> <983eafc2-82df-d307-07d8-0070762b99bb@sky.com> <7b4a865e-4408-2ff2-5d02-02e50df8cbed@abelian.org> <0fec3858-7b6a-8bfe-13f8-d07f0413c483@sky.com> <08126e1a-8f6d-53d2-19c6-76fe1d01fe94@verizon.net> <0e9cc5a9-f387-5517-22f6-270400ba12f4@sky.com> From: Terry G0EZY Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:38:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Scan-Signature: e09cca6d8e44a91eadbdfb3e1b8aec09 Subject: Re: LF: Octosound Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12375 Hi Stan Just in case you haven't seen some of the discussions on this reflector...I should have mentioned that the Octo/Pi combination works fine with Paul Nicholson's vlfrxtools. You can find details here: http://abelian.org/vlfrx-tools/ If you know Linux and theory of signal processing/DSP this s/w suite will cater for most vlf applications. I'm sure you have seen Paul's emails on this reflector! 73 Terry On 12/08/2017 23:47, Stan, W1LE wrote: > > Hello Terry, > > Thanks, great pointers. Will take awhile for me to digest the info and > define my application. > > Stan > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 17:06:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7DF6cTh014744 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:06:39 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dguMw-0002JD-M1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:59:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dguMu-0002J4-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:59:56 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dguMq-0000Cp-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 15:59:55 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id guM7dhhYU4W2QguMmdiwY1; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:59:48 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1502636388; bh=tLNIZ8jaRwx1uukcn4JL+BTE2AOw9FwXAZXCD/LouGA=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=OJQ6qB7C04tBQVAeRUsEg09KxCZzkeQB/mASZ1ypX8NP/BjfUEzR8OnOspFjJjCcb +gkQ742JdO0wGB/OxSWsbzPjvQtawDKJ2fxlfsdmKKws7twoO/SXgaLpAt4Hc6ZlhV abndBfq2W7bMkSeyIliZ6kZtAqeG9zDhNV5QfnPSf8BtQ2CkpJKzpflGMWpMRqZMgP ZiLi1kQNEhKqF43yX2ayOLaFeNjE8W/gr2fFgwoZNQtrlWKA0DPO8of1dwpw2/hT/z ASz/HrOSjzdvEzSGbT3HTbdv3aKdVTjxtkyQ/MbpdZwPMGGkaYgf8Os278DVH+2xH6 rGdipW47JWX3w== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:78f6:dd:b547:d008]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id guMjdNpFasxNeguMkd5aUG; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:59:47 +0000 From: To: References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFw2azIhOrT+QC+OQYFkWA1DEeIfQI8qOTIozTuJaA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOLPBN5hjX+SrkodaQRUKfFIzAmtDSkizoqNtrC0n9lS8YcxyEL+n4Qw21E2QJMbWugl6UXnkX4Vdsj0UV6g/k10JBus5eWqsMulsxkAOTJpGx5w8rIP u1uuKidJeiQ+VwiU7gGvb8l41rYzEo7vIzM= X-Scan-Signature: 197e3b57b6f6f3314687a7b82bb93a83 Subject: RE: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0234_01D31423.46DA0320" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12376 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0234_01D31423.46DA0320 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0235_01D31423.46DA0320" ------=_NextPart_001_0235_01D31423.46DA0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations! Another important milestone! =20 Stephan wrote: =E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite varying=E2=80=9D Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image = from Markus? Or on some other data? =20 Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at = 3575Hz? I might have time this week. =20 73, =20 Jim AA5BW=20 =20 =20 =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:43 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES =20 Hello Markus and the DL0AO crew, My congrats, i confirm the message is correct. That's a first message = detection by radio amateurs on frequencies between 3...4 kHz over such a = distance. The phase of that best decode is quite varying. Maybe the phase between = day and night is changing by more than 120 deg? That could be another = reason for the unsuccessful 24 hour transmissions... Let us produce more signals and message decodes to get more impressions = from that 'new' band: I'm repeating the same message again today. Then = we can compare the results and you can try stacking both transmissions. = Later we can try longer stacked messages... 73, Stefan Am 12.08.2017 23:08, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 It looks like we got a valid decode of Stefan's 16 hour transmission = from the DL0AO cardioid antenna.=20 I had also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT. This = one appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), perhaps = because it ended before the QRN increased. We had no success with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and = 11th, neither single days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher = QRN levels than today. BTW Each decode attempt also produced several false hits with relatively = good ranking, so a longer CRC might be preferable. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group = Verschickt: Fr, 11. Aug 2017 15:32 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut ...looks like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It = was one of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and = repeated the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). = With Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by = stacking these two transmissions.=20 Today the noise is much lower. Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the = BPSK as recveived on the tree. I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, even in a = shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much lower: f =3D 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 12.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 80 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 16h Antenna current: 160 mA 73, Stefan Am 09.08.2017 16:48, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hi VLF,=20 An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs in the = range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 wavelengths: f =3D 3675.005000 Hz Start time: 10.August.2017 00:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 120 s Characters: 3 CRC bits: 7 Coding 16K21A Duration: 24h Antenna current: 160 mA 73, Stefan =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0235_01D31423.46DA0320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations! Another important milestone!

 

Stephan wrote:

=E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite = varying=E2=80=9D

Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image = from Markus? Or on some other data?

 

Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at = 3575Hz? I might have time this week.

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW

 

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of = DK7FC
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:43 AM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES

 

Hello Markus = and the DL0AO crew,

My congrats, i confirm the message is = correct. That's a first message detection by radio amateurs on = frequencies between 3...4 kHz over such a distance.

The phase of = that best decode is quite varying. Maybe the phase between day and night = is changing by more than 120 deg? That could be another reason for the = unsuccessful 24 hour transmissions...
Let us produce more signals and = message decodes to get more impressions from that 'new' band: I'm = repeating the same message again today. Then we can compare the results = and you can try stacking both transmissions. Later we can try longer = stacked messages...


73, Stefan



Am 12.08.2017 = 23:08, schrieb Markus Vester:

It looks = like we got a valid decode of Stefan's 16 hour = transmission from the DL0AO cardioid antenna. 

I had = also attempted an early decode from a file ending 18:12 UT. = This one appeared to be even better (rank 0, +2.2 dB carrier EbN0), = perhaps because it ended before the QRN increased.

We had no = success with the earlier 24 h transmissions on Aug 10th and 11th, = neither single days nor both stacked - surely due to much higher = QRN levels than today.

BTW Each decode attempt also produced = several false hits with relatively good ranking, so a longer = CRC might be preferable.

All the best,
Markus = (DF6NM)
 


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>=
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org>
Verschickt: Fr, 11. Aug 2017 15:32
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut

...looks = like there was no decode from DL0AO from that transmission. It was one = of the noisiest days again. I already expected that result and repeated = the same message again, running today (24 hours, ending 0 UTC). With = Markus' tool to stack the resulting files, they could gain 3 dB by = stacking these two transmissions.
Today the noise is much lower. = Attached is a RDF spectrogram showing the BPSK as recveived on the = tree.

I'm announcing another test, again trying 3 characters, = even in a shorter time, avoiding the night time where the SNR is much = lower:

f =3D 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: = 12.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 80 s
Characters: = 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 16h
Antenna current: = 160 mA


73, Stefan



Am 09.08.2017 16:48, = schrieb DK7FC:

Hi VLF, =

An attempt for a first message transfer between radio amateurs = in the range 3...4 kHz for an expected distance of 226 km, or 2.77 = wavelengths:

f =3D 3675.005000 Hz
Start time: = 10.August.2017  00:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 120 s
Characters: = 3
CRC bits: 7
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 24h
Antenna current: = 160 mA

73, Stefan

 

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13 Aug 2017 19:38:13 +0100 Received: from smtp.itself.cz ([212.96.160.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgxm6-0000nq-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 19:38:11 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [109.105.51.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.itself.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D379F75A071 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:38:06 +0200 (CEST) To: Rsgb_Lf_Group From: Lubomir Bobalik Message-ID: <59909F3C.1090703@rtv5.cz> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 20:49:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at smtp.itself.cz X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: LF: Telefunken Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040809040404090004020708" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12377 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040809040404090004020708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello friends! I have got very interesting VLF adapter: TELEFUNKEN - LW 638. All my efforts to find any technical info on the internet were to no avail - I was not successful. I need your help very badly! Is it possible to find a scheme and more info? Thanks! Lubos, OK2BVG --------------040809040404090004020708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello friends!
I have got very interesting VLF adapter: TELEFUNKEN - LW 638.
All my efforts to find any technical info on the internet were to no avail - I was not successful.
I need your help very badly! Is it possible to find a scheme and more info?

Thanks!

Lubos, OK2BVG
--------------040809040404090004020708-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 22:22:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7DKMpEK015241 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:22:52 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgzKq-0002hg-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:18:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgzKo-0002hX-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:18:06 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgzKl-00015s-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:18:05 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF5920C82 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xVqmk2jZzzytm for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:17:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:17:55 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> X-Scan-Signature: 420019f4991fbaa4f653703c21f48617 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000006070707010600010001" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12378 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000006070707010600010001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi VLF, The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more! Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net: > > Stephan wrote: > > “The phase of that best decode is quite varying” > > Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image > from Markus? > It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an idea. > > Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at 3575Hz? > For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious to see it. 73, Stefan --------------000006070707010600010001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi VLF,

The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!

Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:

Stephan wrote:

“The phase of that best decode is quite varying”

Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image from Markus?

It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an idea.

Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at 3575Hz?

For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious to see it.

73, Stefan
--------------000006070707010600010001-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 13 22:52:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7DKqmP6015288 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:52:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dgzoe-0002ou-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:48:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dgzoe-0002ol-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:48:56 +0100 Received: from omr-a008e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.51]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dgzoa-0001DI-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:48:55 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com [172.27.3.207]) by omr-a008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DC8F7380008B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 04F4B38000081 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-m86.mail.aol.com (10.74.55.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:48:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 16:48:49 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15ddd5b39f6-536a-15eab@webprd-m86.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/119804 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1502657330; bh=2THA38+/aJ5Wp6yqgPUs0bUMzFm45bupIZUJFuwi5JM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eQeeXI0BV4V/QXyfpcbi54jYK+id73N3NGYIcawxhWV9erOQok3PN//X1GDm2oGlt M3ySFvAqMc8og9Z4LtXcFfPxainiBF7LxVo//1KwJ+ND+6UkG2mommUuo0WQBZjPti cbeveB8Jxz0iQEV054DkQtqrGUlmPu4yaVSmE/5w= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b03cf5990bb322c32 X-Scan-Signature: ffb804a3bc61dd08faf4263407b608d3 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_106008_1591590043.1502657329653" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12379 ------=_Part_106008_1591590043.1502657329653 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_106007_384631622.1502657329652" ------=_Part_106007_384631622.1502657329652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, despite the 27% loss of signal, the message was decoded fine, ev= en with a couple of dB to spare - not bad at all! Hope you can repair your = coil and get back on air soon. Jim, some simulation for the 226 km path might indeed be helpful. I suspect= that the path difference between groundwave and first-hop skywave is close= to a half-wavelength, possibly leading to partial cancellation and stronge= r diurnal variability. However the carrier SNR has not been strong enough t= o make a decently resolved measurement of diurnal amplitude and phase varia= tions. We could try to obtain a coarse estimate of absolute fieldstrength, using t= he received carrier level and e.g. DHO38 for reference. Knowing Stefan's ra= diated power, we could then try to derive propagation attenuation.=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 22:20 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Hi VLF,=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety funct= ion tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission = i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anoth= er one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:=20 #AOLMsgPart_2_34513077-c890-4a88-9595-44b2388f0bbc td{color: black;} @font-= face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-= family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}.aolReplacedBody p.aolmail_Ms= oNormal,.aolReplacedBody li.aolmail_MsoNormal,.aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_= MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family= :"Times New Roman","serif"; color:black;}.aolReplacedBody a:link,.aolReplac= edBody span.aolmail_MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-d= ecoration:underline;}.aolReplacedBody a:visited,.aolReplacedBody span.aolma= il_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decorati= on:underline;}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:pe= rsonal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;}.aolReplac= edBody .aolmail_MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt= ;}@page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}.a= olReplacedBody div.aolmail_WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;}=20 Stephan wrote: =E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite varying=E2=80=9D Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image from = Markus? It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an idea= . Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at 3575Hz? For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious to= see it. 73, Stefan ------=_Part_106007_384631622.1502657329652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan, despite the 27% loss of signal, the message w= as decoded fine, even with a couple of dB to spare - not bad at all! H= ope you can repair your coil and get back on air soon.

Jim, some sim= ulation for the 226 km path might indeed be helpful. I suspect that the pat= h difference between groundwave and first-hop skywave is close to a ha= lf-wavelength, possibly leading to partial cancellation and stronger diurna= l variability. However the carrier SNR has not been strong enough= to make a decently resolved measurement of diurnal amplitude and phas= e variations.

We could try to obtain a coarse estimate of absol= ute fieldstrength, using the received carrier level and e.g. DHO38 for= reference. Knowing Stefan's radiated power, we could then try to= derive propagation attenuation.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <sel= berdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg>
Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 22:20
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier o= n 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES

Hi VLF,

The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!

Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:
=20 =20

Markus and Stefan,

 

Along with the FDTD diurnal phase simulation, I=E2=80=99ll include = diurnal amplitude for comparison to the prospective path loss = calculation that Markus mentioned.

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW

 

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus = Vester
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:49 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES again

 

H= i Stefan, despite the 27% loss of signal, the message was decoded fine, = even with a couple of dB to spare - not bad at all! Hope you can = repair your coil and get back on air soon.

Jim, some simulation = for the 226 km path might indeed be helpful. I suspect that the path = difference between groundwave and first-hop skywave is close to a = half-wavelength, possibly leading to partial cancellation and stronger = diurnal variability. However the carrier SNR has not been = strong enough to make a decently resolved measurement of diurnal = amplitude and phase variations.

We could try to obtain a = coarse estimate of absolute fieldstrength, using the received carrier = level and e.g. DHO38 for reference. Knowing Stefan's radiated = power, we could then try to derive propagation attenuation. =

Best 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: = DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
= An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 22:20
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES

H= i VLF,

The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC = the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when = re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of = the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! = :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions = on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier = detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a = different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more = more more!

Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net: =

Stephan wrote:<= o:p>

=E2=80=9CT= he phase of that best decode is quite = varying=E2=80=9D

Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image = from Markus?<= o:p>

I= t is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an = idea.

Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at = 3575Hz?<= o:p>

F= or sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious = to see it.

73, = Stefan

------=_NextPart_000_028D_01D31458.426F62F0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 14 00:41:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7DMfrga015379 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:41:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dh1VP-0003A2-Lr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 23:37:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dh1VO-00039k-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 23:37:10 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dh1VL-0001V3-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 23:37:09 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id h1UedNBTEdtjeh1VHdAcaV; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:37:03 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1502663823; bh=Cec64vpmm3D4JdUL5gqlQ0UZcuxakc8bLzOh/9hhMog=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kYFzRtyIOJvJzEs9zY2XQWaCNSrMJN9cIs4gPeX82Wxn10uocHlWH+PKdqS5yXzT/ O9qabIKV3YTEerqutMaTHyMmE0eD23wAL3eKVW9yGx/n6rRVGvGI8F9FW3Sofjz5/5 3CQR1ubi0EHcpUnceEbv+MVip4Tg+vxzbsfxfy/oeTKsohJjhicvs0BJJPaka80bSf J+ctrNJQVXfEuScI1/2kgAf7dbp+1oTNduncGhIoBitLKuVcvl8zk7VLMN2xRNSLLh Di+UBtjoFdXiBFGZhV2BefEcmuHG+T4+g1KdOF4m/NUVj3aiuSjOVL3Geif2pZ1FDN hUeWk9+oi59Qg== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:78f6:dd:b547:d008]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id h1VEdmKdinljoh1VFdVK8V; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:37:02 +0000 From: To: References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: <029a01d31484$adeb1660$09c14320$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFw2azIhOrT+QC+OQYFkWA1DEeIfQI8qOTIAkYufsYBr47djKMVrfMw Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDcc49uufyL3Ahx1hORHlfh4CrqcedjP8uj//I0VNK/MU6gTTsTcgAeOMuxmMQwrpVM6XNtpecjTWneLfoU4nUtrQR/9fZseMvvv35HLCyPnygxAmSM2 TSOxLssG717C/dmLB/EMTyCVzMXMdAGwCrY= X-Scan-Signature: e7c02b6e85723bae4746298f7f529717 Subject: RE: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029B_01D31463.26D97660" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12382 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029B_01D31463.26D97660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, =20 You mentioned =E2=80=9Cdifferent coil concept=E2=80=9D for more power. = I=E2=80=99m doubting that any of the following are desirable but I = thought I=E2=80=99d mention them in case one them prompts an = actually-good idea: a) A hermetic shell made by filling a 1/4" space between cylinders with = temperature-cured hard-epoxy; pressurized. Very dry, and better position = on the Paschen pressure/voltage breakdown curve. b) Using higher permeability lower-loss Metglas cores* to allow spaced = turns, which would reduce proximity loss (and associated voltage); and = to allow thicker wire (lower loss-voltage). * (I bought some Metglas AMCC4 and AMCC-1SX cores at low cost from = a surplus supplier; haven=E2=80=99t tested them yet) =20 c) Using one or more series capacitors in the coil = (-5j,+5j,-5j,+5j,-5j,+5j=E2=80=A6 fun to think about, perhaps a = practical nightmare even with CW, but HV balanced stacking is much = better than it used to be. Seems good for a high-current resonant = small-loop antenna but even in that case unwieldy for QSY) =20 73, =20 Jim AA5BW=20 =20 =20 =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES =20 Hi VLF,=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety = function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the = transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So = now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 = Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections = and even EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more = voltage, more power, more more more! Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:=20 Stephan wrote: =E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite varying=E2=80=9D Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image = from Markus? It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an = idea. Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at = 3575Hz? For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious = to see it. 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_029B_01D31463.26D97660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stefan,

 

You mentioned =E2=80=9Cdifferent coil concept=E2=80=9D for more = power. I=E2=80=99m doubting that any of the following are desirable but = I thought I=E2=80=99d mention them in case one them prompts an = actually-good idea:

a) A hermetic shell made by filling a 1/4" space between = cylinders with temperature-cured hard-epoxy; pressurized. Very dry, and = better position on the Paschen pressure/voltage breakdown = curve.

b) Using higher permeability lower-loss Metglas cores* to allow = spaced turns, which would reduce proximity loss (and associated = voltage); and to allow thicker wire (lower = loss-voltage).

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * =C2=A0(I bought some Metglas AMCC4 and = AMCC-1SX cores at low cost from a surplus supplier; haven=E2=80=99t = tested them yet) =C2=A0=C2=A0

c) Using one or more series capacitors in the coil = (-5j,+5j,-5j,+5j,-5j,+5j=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 fun to think about, perhaps a = practical nightmare even with CW, but HV balanced stacking is much = better than it used to be. Seems good for a high-current resonant = small-loop antenna but even in that case unwieldy for = QSY)

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW

 

 

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of = DK7FC
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:18 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES

 

Hi VLF, =

The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the = safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting = the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. = So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be = replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will = stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even = EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil = concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more = more!

Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net: =

Stephan wrote:

=E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite = varying=E2=80=9D

Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image = from Markus?

It is just based = on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an = idea.

Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at = 3575Hz?

For sure it would be = interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious to see = it.

73, Stefan

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See http://www.bing.com/search?q=telefunken+LW+638+&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=telefunken+lw+638+&sc=0-18&sk=&cvid=31C02AF81A034E32BB8903D3B75556F2 73 John F5VLF On 08/13/2017 08:49 PM, Lubomir Bobalik wrote: > LW 638 From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 14 12:23:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7EANkZI016677 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:23:47 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhCSW-0003r4-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:18:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhCSV-0003qv-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:18:55 +0100 Received: from omr-a016e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhCSR-0003dN-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:18:54 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com [172.27.21.15]) by omr-a016e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2BCDC380008C for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DB5D438000082 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80.146.228.87 by webprd-a24.mail.aol.com (10.72.50.205) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:18:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 06:18:48 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15de040c94a-5486-165b5@webprd-a24.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <028c01d31479$c98102f0$5c8308d0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [80.146.228.87] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1502705929; bh=/rXBcmnkmSKErAIGRwr6+3mceWUrIEe4g+mhfbOaSs0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6nU/lFYV1jor8U1WhHC3B+oLMLcQzN0CNevcF8TfWnus1pkF8SpfjNR67q/t0x2xK 9xNH1DAR/y4UGiTGS8ithXT6wm+ZhMmJz+7IWwegShl3tx9dMN8/tMV/2lVRBk4ET/ 30n29K01fX8JBytrchodTifTJ/5O0HJgDQ4R7j+Q= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b150f599179084967 X-Scan-Signature: 96e7ff1ec9673d9aa57a617c94da6cf3 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz - fieldstrength Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110411_1883873754.1502705928519" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12384 ------=_Part_110411_1883873754.1502705928519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comparing Stefan's carrier peak (-135 dB on the W cardioid) to my own 8270 = Hz transmission from Aug 5 (-119 dB) shows a ~ 16 dB difference (assuming f= lat frequency response from the antennas). The distances are 226 km and 48 = km, accounting for 13.5 dB using 1/r. Stefan's estimated ERP on 3675 is abo= ut 8 dB less than mine on 8270. So we can conclude that propagation from St= efan had about 13.5 + 8 - 16 =3D +5.5 dB propagation gain over 1/r groundwa= ve. In other words, the fieldstrength has been approximately doubled by the= presence of the ionosphere. To me this is somewhat unexpected, as a simple geometric calculation for re= flection at 70 km ionospheric height gives 41 km path difference, i.e. perf= ect antiphase at this wavelength and distance. It will be interesting to look at simulation results. All the best, Markus (DF6NM)=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: hvanesce An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 23:20 Betreff: RE: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES again #AOLMsgPart_2_4264e2f7-b10f-4b5e-afea-c65ee78e6826 td{color: black;} @font-= face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-= family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}.aolReplacedBody p.aolmail_Ms= oNormal,.aolReplacedBody li.aolmail_MsoNormal,.aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_= MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family= :"Times New Roman","serif";}.aolReplacedBody a:link,.aolReplacedBody span.a= olmail_MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:und= erline;}.aolReplacedBody a:visited,.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_MsoHyperli= nkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;= }.aolReplacedBody p.aolmail_aolmailmsonormal,.aolReplacedBody li.aolmail_ao= lmailmsonormal,.aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_aolmailmsonormal {mso-style-nam= e:aolmail_msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-= bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New = Roman","serif";}.aolReplacedBody p.aolmail_aolmailmsochpdefault,.aolReplace= dBody li.aolmail_aolmailmsochpdefault,.aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_aolmailm= sochpdefault {mso-style-name:aolmail_msochpdefault; mso-margin-top-alt:auto= ; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:= 12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmai= l_aolmailmsohyperlink {mso-style-name:aolmail_msohyperlink;}.aolReplacedBod= y span.aolmail_aolmailmsohyperlinkfollowed {mso-style-name:aolmail_msohyper= linkfollowed;}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_aolmailemailstyle17 {mso-style-= name:aolmail_emailstyle17;}.aolReplacedBody p.aolmail_aolmailmsonormal1,.ao= lReplacedBody li.aolmail_aolmailmsonormal1,.aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_aol= mailmsonormal1 {mso-style-name:aolmail_msonormal1; margin:0in; margin-botto= m:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; color:b= lack;}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_aolmailmsohyperlink1 {mso-style-name:ao= lmail_msohyperlink1; mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:und= erline;}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_aolmailmsohyperlinkfollowed1 {mso-sty= le-name:aolmail_msohyperlinkfollowed1; mso-style-priority:99; color:purple;= text-decoration:underline;}.aolReplacedBody span.aolmail_EmailStyle25 {mso= -style-type:personal; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;}.a= olReplacedBody span.aolmail_EmailStyle26 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; fo= nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;}.aolReplacedBody .aolmail_= MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri","sans-seri= f";}@page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}= .aolReplacedBody div.aolmail_WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} Markus and Stefan, =20 Along with the FDTD diurnal phase simulation, I=E2=80=99ll include diurnal = amplitude for comparison to the prospective path loss calculation that Mark= us mentioned.=20 =20 73, =20 Jim AA5BW =20 =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES again =20 Hi Stefan, despite the 27% loss of signal, the message was decoded fine, ev= en with a couple of dB to spare - not bad at all! Hope you can repair your = coil and get back on air soon. Jim, some simulation for the 226 km path might indeed be helpful. I suspect= that the path difference between groundwave and first-hop skywave is close= to a half-wavelength, possibly leading to partial cancellation and stronge= r diurnal variability. However the carrier SNR has not been strong enough t= o make a decently resolved measurement of diurnal amplitude and phase varia= tions. We could try to obtain a coarse estimate of absolute fieldstrength, using t= he received carrier level and e.g. DHO38 for reference. Knowing Stefan's ra= diated power, we could then try to derive propagation attenuation.=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 22:20 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES Hi VLF,=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz= will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and eve= n EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volta= ge, more power, more more more! Am 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:=20 Stephan wrote: =E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite varying=E2=80=9D Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window image from = Markus? It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, just an idea= . Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this path at 3575Hz? For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be curious to= see it. 73, Stefan ------=_Part_110411_1883873754.1502705928519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Comparing Stefan's carrier peak (-135 dB on the W cardio= id) to my own 8270 Hz transmission from Aug 5 (-119 dB) show= s a ~ 16 dB difference (assuming flat frequency response from the= antennas). The distances are 226 km and 48 km, accounting for 13= .5 dB using 1/r. Stefan's estimated ERP on 3675 is about 8 d= B less than mine on 8270. So we can conclude that propagation from Stefan&n= bsp;had about 13.5 + 8 - 16 =3D +5.5 dB propagation gain over 1/r grou= ndwave. In other words, the fieldstrength has been approximately doubl= ed by the presence of the ionosphere.

To me this is somewhat unexpec= ted, as a simple geometric calculation for reflection at 70 km io= nospheric height gives 41 km path difference, i.e. perfect antiphase a= t this wavelength and distance.

It will be interesting to look at si= mulation results.

All the best,
Markus (DF6NM) 

-----= Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: hvanesce <hvanesce@comcast.n= et>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschi= ckt: So, 13. Aug 2017 23:20
Betreff: RE: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / E= bNaut - YES again

Markus and Stefan,

 

Along with the FDTD diurnal phase simulation, I=E2=80=99ll include= diurnal amplitude for comparison to the prospective path loss calculation = that Markus mentioned.

 

73,

 <= /span>

Jim AA5BW

 

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] O= n Behalf Of Markus Vester
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:49 = PM
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz /= EbNaut - YES again

 

= Hi Stefan, despite the 27% loss of signal, the message was decoded fine, ev= en with a couple of dB to spare - not bad at all! Hope you can repair = your coil and get back on air soon.

Jim, some simulation for the 226= km path might indeed be helpful. I suspect that the path difference betwee= n groundwave and first-hop skywave is close to a half-wavelength, poss= ibly leading to partial cancellation and stronger diurnal variability. Howe= ver the carrier SNR has not been strong enough to make a decently= resolved measurement of diurnal amplitude and phase variations.
We could try to obtain a coarse estimate of absolute fieldstrength, = using the received carrier level and e.g. DHO38 for reference. Kn= owing Stefan's radiated power, we could then try to derive propag= ation attenuation.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----U= rspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberden= ken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 13. Aug 2017 22:20
Betref= f: Re: VLF: Carrier on 3675.005 Hz / EbNaut - YES

Hi VLF,

The repetition of yesterdays= message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been o= n the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the cent= er of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over= ! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions o= n 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detection= s and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil co= ncept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!

Am= 13.08.2017 16:57, schrieb hvanesce@comcast.net:

Stephan wr= ote:

=E2=80=9CThe phase of that best decode is quite v= arying=E2=80=9D

Is that observation based on the attached EbNaut Decoder window im= age from Markus?

It is just based on that decoder data. It is not really proof, ju= st an idea.

Would it help to have an FDTD diurnal phase plot for this= path at 3575Hz?

For sure it would be interesting! If you like, do it. I would be = curious to see it.

73, Stefan

------=_Part_110411_1883873754.1502705928519-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 14 16:07:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7EE76Ox017187 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:07:08 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhFwP-00045o-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:02:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhFwO-00045f-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:02:00 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhFwK-0004ex-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:01:59 +0100 Received: from Clemens0811 ([217.32.203.217]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdIBN-1dGPVx41eD-00iSzi for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:01:53 +0200 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59909F3C.1090703@rtv5.cz> In-Reply-To: <59909F3C.1090703@rtv5.cz> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:01:49 +0200 Message-ID: <22E9D637B44840A9A5860EE06FE0432C@Clemens0811> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdMUY6eYnF5RdfItS/GGWUBH8P4cxAAoaf0Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:5sF6VJ3lO05KON9M92EOdcbdYVdae2joJry/YoqlpcgbCzXQlhQ F+ynQI9x8LdFN278foJrsC5jfJ2A7A0iYzLGclFnFo8DMCnQoc/KfQRu7qi95QkWGCNgA5q C2CVHC/lS/yUeIJHMA88LkgShR4SEoF7D/tS0RfYO7zx8KPCJlpE63Yok62/82SOCHDt2Jh 0SepOXsJQGRUv9jWEls0g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:E7D63RYY3LE=:lvtesMc6Y5H4s5mPXyJfm8 e9+Bi/4j5yPiwzYGv3PRFEdSTuniz0YUdVR/iewSrenVTlcvsWEEuxvbJ+/3PMAUqysEPmizm q2kXUF4HIKmOZ9ZUv0LBBHXes1sLNpVkkGVpR5kZnjjLgwMmEklXr/W86gGHHNbsIi4oJ8YrO efyZNICil/h4Ool+NiHzfBEJyu3gq+pCMOPuYc+QboqLFDPmvB2UYJCrtHAhdXsG4j5oymMgH vD3ZtTjalrCUsyHmF/qhx499x10N4a52g0eIXAD75ft2I/3DKuWYTlH1zVcWQW3WmowCAam4s shBZA0ShmFPunK4nbVT6uNeWZdvvVRQqZligZp9G/hDNJsY4PLXt9dGC/CJtGmO69DKzF/SuF b590VgyB0/iUn8N5Mu1jSWCSBH4Qd324IDNNH4ckfvWyHHKQ0irJ1noTiNOTQow5TLHfSgH85 hqBgbGHFEBXG773uwG7w9XYBaKSo/QzXG4TIPPyCm37UvJTFE6x3qUHZogroo77KcmwDzEBBl OPGuz0GVRLKHSVOxKIleZifGQdLaDQCnMyKGawhQgHgDvsVDLQOT90uomCcKFRFkqPhkYywsD SP4qFhk3+594RlI2YwLMZgG0otzM6hkg1AuM07lzARcGMGVB620D+bDpyWWkGcPYE6Dli55NH 2PVllfvy0d+Y24vXDccvIwrjgkT3PN/HMBi8t8mnyGgEeO4HQwlMSI/gEp9Iy7wkdMf69zDl3 HEC80VyW0MUwNE/7StpOJn+IDJ01yEw1oERpmY9XPv7iHeK6CZBZNvS+fw4qu1SKo8TgVHPGp FCOaFN0uBXlTdmqwpLarMQQTcWLbqUHfeM3lhw8ZhAg7eh/I7U= X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: RE: Telefunken Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12385 Hi Lubos, go to http://www.classicbroadcast.de/telefunken_download.html then press contr+f for searching the site. Enter just LW 638 (the space is important!) in the mask and you'll hit immediately the pdf link for download. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >Lubomir Bobalik >Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:50 PM >To: Rsgb_Lf_Group >Subject: LF: Telefunken > >Hello friends! >I have got very interesting VLF adapter: TELEFUNKEN - LW 638. >All my efforts to find any technical info on the internet >were to no avail - I was not successful. >I need your help very badly! Is it possible to find a scheme >and more info? > >Thanks! > >Lubos, OK2BVG > > > > Virenfrei. >www.avg.com > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 14 16:19:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7EEJFXN017217 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:19:16 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhG9C-0004C8-M9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:15:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhG9B-0004Bz-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:15:13 +0100 Received: from forward101j.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:801:2::101]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhG95-0004kY-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 15:15:12 +0100 Received: from mxback14j.mail.yandex.net (mxback14j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::90]) by forward101j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 273851242511; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:15:03 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web34j.yandex.ru (web34j.yandex.ru [5.45.198.137]) by mxback14j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id RaU4hSZNqV-F1waeFpW; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:15:02 +0300 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yandex.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1502720102; bh=uouWUqZaEsUt9mARh0k2TdPOrX0Rx7geFF/GyX82Cg4=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=beR3m9Q/4/GekNVnig0gCp16lAG4Rajjv/aSTiOe3KY31SwhKVJxZZMxrUw4kaTsd Ib1pn+62ye5QaQoY4TtB16IwScgI/VSE9KTyPgEaALhkMPqYst4zlO8rbD+0I+jUnV wK0ke73VXiC4t2yPq6AaHwoFhCIPsDxqSrovVih8= Authentication-Results: mxback14j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web34j.yandex.ru with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:15:01 +0300 From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk In-Reply-To: References: <216891502574367@web27j.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <37541502720101@web34j.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:15:01 +0300 X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: Re:LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12386 Hi John! Is it that issue available in internet? 73! Roman > See also the paper by my son and me in CREGJ issue 24 (June 1996) on > reducing speech bandwidth. > > 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI > > On 08/12/2017 11:46 PM, Roman wrote: > >> Hi Tomas, LF! >> >> The same mode developed by Alexander RN3AUS at 2014 and called - "Slow Voice" - SV. >> Topic on russian LF forum: >> http://136.su/index.php/topic,220.0.html >> >> 73! >> Roman >> >>> Hi Group, >>> >>> here is a new program >>> for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. >>> This program allows the telephony >>> on LF and MF. >>> >>> Have fun >>> with experimenting. >>> >>> http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb >>> >>> vy 73 Thomas DM4TR -- 73! 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See http://www.bcra.org.uk/bookshop/M4.html 73 John On 08/14/2017 04:15 PM, Roman wrote: > Hi John! > > Is it that issue available in internet? > > 73! > Roman > >> See also the paper by my son and me in CREGJ issue 24 (June 1996) on >> reducing speech bandwidth. >> >> 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI >> >> On 08/12/2017 11:46 PM, Roman wrote: >> >>> Hi Tomas, LF! >>> >>> The same mode developed by Alexander RN3AUS at 2014 and called - "Slow Voice" - SV. >>> Topic on russian LF forum: >>> http://136.su/index.php/topic,220.0.html >>> >>> 73! >>> Roman >>> >>>> Hi Group, >>>> >>>> here is a new program >>>> for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. >>>> This program allows the telephony >>>> on LF and MF. >>>> >>>> Have fun >>>> with experimenting. >>>> >>>> http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb >>>> >>>> vy 73 Thomas DM4TR From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 15 09:57:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7F7v75L020248 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:57:08 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhWYX-00057f-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:46:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhWYW-00057W-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:46:28 +0100 Received: from forward103o.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::606]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhWYQ-0000S8-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 08:46:27 +0100 Received: from mxback3g.mail.yandex.net (mxback3g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:164]) by forward103o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8D6525883406; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:46:17 +0300 (MSK) Received: from web10j.yandex.ru (web10j.yandex.ru [5.45.198.51]) by mxback3g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id qwk9ynrJBo-kFRCTlAq; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:46:16 +0300 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yandex.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1502783176; bh=ZQI0VIAMaA2RJWnf9+61CQoHr+KaJhmX1nwCnP5qN48=; h=From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=nCR5ueH+d4MALnBxVLOzGQTcHcqLIPzNkW/EGAgt3hmI6Iij8uTTfldaUOFEcrL87 3rYHO+xoBsr5Z1Z+Es4J0rUnyk4xGzHvp5oVLrhjWYslQuNVqaoeqZj7iAOAta2RD0 fJHpZPUc4t3VMK5bUsN8PWViT5P5B6OQ2TUNmnxk= Authentication-Results: mxback3g.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web10j.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:46:15 +0300 From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk In-Reply-To: <07f4c159-bc62-63bf-6b4a-b5210cb1533c@gmail.com> References: <216891502574367@web27j.yandex.ru> <37541502720101@web34j.yandex.ru> <07f4c159-bc62-63bf-6b4a-b5210cb1533c@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <132111502783175@web10j.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:46:15 +0300 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: Re:LF: QRSSB for LF, MF and SW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12388 TNX John! Roman > Hi Roman, > > Yes, but you will need to take out an online subscription (GBP4.00 for 1 > year) which will give access to most issues of the Journal. See > http://www.bcra.org.uk/bookshop/M4.html > > 73 John > > On 08/14/2017 04:15 PM, Roman wrote: > >> Hi John! >> >> Is it that issue available in internet? >> >> 73! >> Roman >> >>> See also the paper by my son and me in CREGJ issue 24 (June 1996) on >>> reducing speech bandwidth. >>> >>> 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI >>> >>> On 08/12/2017 11:46 PM, Roman wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tomas, LF! >>>> >>>> The same mode developed by Alexander RN3AUS at 2014 and called - "Slow Voice" - SV. >>>> Topic on russian LF forum: >>>> http://136.su/index.php/topic,220.0.html >>>> >>>> 73! >>>> Roman >>>> >>>>> Hi Group, >>>>> >>>>> here is a new program >>>>> for (qr)ssb on LF, MF and SW. >>>>> This program allows the telephony >>>>> on LF and MF. >>>>> >>>>> Have fun >>>>> with experimenting. >>>>> >>>>> http://dl0rcp.bplaced.net/index.php/webapps-2/qrssb >>>>> >>>>> vy 73 Thomas DM4TR -- 73! Roman, RW3ADB From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 15 19:04:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7FH48sS022041 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:04:12 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhf5S-0005cZ-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:53:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhf5R-0005cQ-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:53:01 +0100 Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com ([212.50.160.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhf5O-0002ld-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:53:00 +0100 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,378,1498518000"; d="scan'208,217";a="159756096" Received: from unknown (HELO AM1MH) ([82.153.98.90]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2017 17:52:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:52:32 +0100 From: "dhchurch@lineone.net" To: rsgb_lf_group References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <272A11EB6A80467D9FA04EFAF51DD15A@ASUS>, <598593FD.8070804@posteo.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Has-Attach: no X-Mailer: Foxmail 7, 2, 8, 379[en] Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <201708151752325620124@lineone.net> X-Scan-Signature: 3d0ae5b4ae8b74dc4bf5c1dbe3fef430 Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_001_NextPart178502831023_=----" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12389 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_001_NextPart178502831023_=---- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGF2aW5nIGp1c3QgcHV0IHRoaXMgbWV0ZXIgaW50byB1c2UsIEkgbXVzdCBwb2ludCBvdXQgdGhh dCB0aGUgZGMgb3V0cHV0IGZyb20gdGhlIEJBVDQyIGRpb2RlcyBpcyBhYm91dCAxNVYgZm9yIHRo ZSAxQSByYW5nZSBzbyBJIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgdGhvdWdodCBhY3R1YWxseSBwb3R0aW5nIHRoaXMg ZG93biBhZnRlciByZWN0aWZpY2F0aW9uIHdpdGggMTBBIHdvdWxkIHByb21wdGx5IHNlZSBvZmYg dGhlIGRpb2RlcyB3aGljaCwgSSB0aGluaywgYXJlIHJhdGVkIGF0IDMwcGlWLg0KDQpIdWdoLCBN MERTWg0KDQoNCmRoY2h1cmNoQGxpbmVvbmUubmV0DQogDQpGcm9tOiBESzdGQw0KRGF0ZTogMjAx Ny0wOC0wNSAxMDo0Ng0KVG86IHJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXANClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBMRjogUkU6RzRI VVAgYWVyaWFsIGN1cnJlbnQgbWV0ZXINCkhpIElhbiwNCiANCldoZW4gdGhlIHJhbmdlIG9mIGEg Y3VycmVudCB0cmFuZm9ybWVyIHNob3VsZCBiZSBpbmNyZWFzZWQgZnJvbSAxQSB0byANCjEwQSwg dGhlIGJlc3Qgd2F5IGlzIHRvIGluY3JlYXNlIHRoZSBudW1iZXIgb2YgdHVybnMgb2YgdGhlIHNl Y29uZGFyeSANCndpbmRpbmcgYnkgYSBmYWN0b3IgMTAuIFRoaXMgdHJhbnNmb3JtcyB0aGUgY3Vy cmVudCBkb3duIGJ5IGEgZmFjdG9yIDEwIA0KKG5vdCB1cCkgaW4gdGhlIHNlY29uZGFyeSB3aW5k aW5nLi4uDQpJKk4gaGFzIHRoZSBzYW1lIHZhbHVlIG9uIGJvdGggc2lkZXMgKGlkZWFsbHkvdGhl b3JldGljYWxseSkuDQogDQo3MywgU3RlZmFuDQogDQpBbSAwNS4wOC4yMDE3IDExOjM1LCBzY2hy aWViIGkuZnJpdGhAbnRsd29ybGQuY29tOg0KPiBIZWxsbyBBbGxhbg0KPg0KPiBJIGFzc3VtZSB0 aGUgMTBBIG1vZCBpcyBhIG1hdHRlciBvZiBpbmNyZWFzaW5nIHRoZSBzZXJpZXMgUiB3aXRoIHRo ZSANCj4gbWV0ZXIgdG8gYXJvdW5kIDgwMGs/DQo+DQo+IEkgc3VwcG9zZSBhIDN3YXkgc3dpdGNo IGFuZCBleHRyYSB0cmltIHBvdCBjb3VsZCBiZSBhZGRlZCB0byBwcmVzZXJ2ZSANCj4gdGhlIDFB IHJhbmdlIHRvby4NCj4NCj4gVGhhbmtzIGZvciB0aGUgbm90ZSByZS1zaGlwcGluZyBNb25kYXku DQo+DQo+IExvb2sgZm9yd2FyZCB0byBnZXR0aW5nIHRoZSBLaXQuDQo+DQo+IDczDQo+DQo+IElh biBHNEdJUg0KPg0KPiAtLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLSBGcm9tOiBBbGFuIE1lbGlh DQo+IFNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgQXVndXN0IDQsIDIwMTcgOTozNiBQTQ0KPiBUbzogcnNnYl9sZl9n cm91cEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jby51ayA7IHJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcNCj4g U3ViamVjdDogTEY6IFJFOkc0SFVQIGFlcmlhbCBjdXJyZW50IG1ldGVyDQo+DQo+IEl0IGhhcyBq dXN0IG9jY3VyZWQgdG8gbWUgdGhhdCB0aGUgMUEgcmFuZ2UgbWF5IG5vdCBiZSBoaWdoIGVub3Vn aCBmb3IgDQo+IHNvbWUNCj4gb2YgdGhlIExGIFFSTyBtZXJjaGFudHMuIFRoZXJlIGlzIGEgc2lt cGxlIG1vZCB3aGljaCB3aWxsIGV4dGVuZCB0aGUgDQo+IHJhbmdlDQo+IHVwIHRvIDEwQSB0aG91 Z2ggeW91IHNob3VsZCBiZSBhd2FyZSB0aGUgZmVycml0ZSBjb3JlIGhhcyBub3QgYmVlbiANCj4g dGVzdGVkIGF0DQo+IHRoaXMgbGV2ZWwgb2YgUkYuIFRoZXNlIGNvcmVzIGFyZSB1c2VkIG9uIG1h aW5zIGxlYWRzIGNhcnJ5aW5nIHVwIHRvIA0KPiAxM0Egc28NCj4gSSB0aGluayB0aGV5IHdpbGwg YmUgT0suDQo+DQo+IFRoYW5rIHlvdSB0byB0aG9zZSBzaG93aW5nIGludGVyZXN0LCB0aGVyZSBh cmUgYSBmZXcga2l0cyBzdGlsbCANCj4gYXZhaWxhYmxlLg0KPg0KPiBBbGFuDQo+IEczTllLDQo+ DQo+DQogDQo= ------=_001_NextPart178502831023_=---- Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A
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Hugh, M0DSZ
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Hi Ian,
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73, Stefan
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Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com:
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> Hello Allan
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>
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> I assume the = 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with the
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>
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> I suppose a 3wa= y switch and extra trim pot could be added to preserve
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> = the 1A range too.
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>
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> Thanks for the note = re-shipping Monday.
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>
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> Look forward to ge= tting the Kit.
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> 73
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> Ian G4GIR
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> -----Origina= l Message----- From: Alan Melia
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> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial cur= rent meter
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>
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> It has just occured to me t= hat the 1A range may not be high enough for
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Though = I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel currently :-)) ) would = work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original components were designed to get the = 100mA range I think. That needs checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dhchurch@lineone.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc = output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I would = have thought actually potting this down after rectification with 10A = would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated at 30piV. Hugh, M0DSZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- dhchurch@lineone.net From: DK7FC Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 To: rsgb_lf_group Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Hi Ian, When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A = to=20 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the = secondary=20 winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down by a factor = 10=20 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). 73, Stefan Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: > Hello Allan > > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with = the=20 > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra trim pot could be added to = preserve=20 > the 1A range too. > > Thanks for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be high enough = for=20 > some > of the LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend = the=20 > range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has not been = > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on mains leads carrying up = to=20 > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still=20 > available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01D31607.0D146960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont = have a power=20 source at the moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but = certainly not=20 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the ferrite. = Though I=20 think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel currently :-))  = ) would=20 work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original components were designed to get the = 100mA=20 range I think. That needs checking against Ian GM3SEK's web = site.
 
Alan
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dhchurch@lineone.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 = 5:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP = aerial=20 current meter

Having just put this meter into use, I must point = out that=20 the dc output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I = would=20 have thought actually potting this down after rectification with 10A = would=20 promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated at 30piV.

Hugh, M0DSZ
dhchurch@lineone.net
=
 
From: DK7FC
Date: 2017-08-05 10:46
To: rsgb_lf_group
Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current=20 meter
Hi Ian,
 
When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from = 1A to=20
10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the = secondary=20
winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down by a = factor 10=20
(not up) in the secondary winding...
I*N has the same value on both sides = (ideally/theoretically).
 
73, Stefan
 
Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com:
> Hello Allan
>
> I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series = R with=20 the
> meter to around 800k?
>
> I suppose a 3way switch and extra trim pot could be added = to=20 preserve
> the 1A range too.
>
> Thanks for the note re-shipping Monday.
>
> Look forward to getting the Kit.
>
> 73
>
> Ian G4GIR
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ;=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter
>
> It has just occured to me that the 1A range may not be = high enough=20 for
> some
> of the LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will = extend=20 the
> range
> up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has = not been=20
> tested at
> this level of RF. These cores are used on mains leads = carrying up=20 to
> 13A so
> I think they will be OK.
>
> Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits = still=20
> available.
>
> Alan
> G3NYK
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------=_NextPart_000_0084_01D31607.0D146960-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 16 13:33:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7GBXIA2025539 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:33:20 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dhwPe-0006gI-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:23:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dhwPd-0006g9-21 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:23:01 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-6.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dhwPZ-0006X0-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:22:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([86.31.43.231]) by know-smtprelay-6-imp with bizsmtp id xnNq1v00K4zFP2m01nNtMv; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:22:53 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [86.31.43.231] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=Va8KRwd9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:117 a=OMeJ2NchiI3V7dK0t+UK+Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=ivnXqhBVAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=GoqwstHNAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=yG-iV3v_-oIbEej-u4EA:9 a=ZevyY2HgnLyXOaz3:21 a=2bnKfkWs3cQsz2uS:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wW_WBVUImv98JQXhvVPZ:22 a=aif6eW07jeEVVZOP0pFm:22 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:22:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <59942B0A.24580.1EB31366@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.72.572) Content-description: Mail message body DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1502882573; bh=GTX4ZqFspx5IvJnuhly1eXRwZwd4HfOeP8ZK3uVPAqc=; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Reply-to:In-reply-to:References; b=dkeIEQK02Vc+jlvyOw9JzMns82r2wMi9sAynhRdCOowKt0oD7Za4PnmJeIi4Z5htM GgPAKD3CWAgmO/u5vhiOA2sHqRvdnFc1dCW4/NltmYNQWSeGU/Zd39IIwqVejre2KH UuvMx3c8TWjr3yhWolKHEtUihyxDiJSiWTPE5Sdh6Hy6avTOKjZ3rpNdl9L09SLnvX vh83N2aksi993XLTGfwlCLWwVA4OQQRGFFXKs7IRWfhtaq8UoCa7mn8jQxMLtlHZP4 zQsuUsSasVey2h3jFTSPWUyvVT7HqFaf+5/sUjm4cmFyNMW24eimLQPMu2TdIuoIDD yl0HWlEFViCUA== X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12391 I made several modifications to get 5A FSD on my meter. Firstly, I used all of the supplied wire to make 17t on the toroid instead of the recommended 10t. I changed the input resistors which were getting hot with 3A RF. I also added a fixed resistor in series with the meter. This of course changed the old 100mA range to something like 2A, but it could easily be retained with some slightly more complex mods. I calibrated the HUP meter with a Russian WW2 thermocouple ammeter, and found its linearity to be good. A very nice piece of kit. Mike, G3XDV =========== > Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont have a power source at the > moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but certainly not > 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the > ferrite. Though I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel > currently :-)) ) would work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original > components were designed to get the 100mA range I think. That needs > checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dhchurch@lineone.net > To: rsgb_lf_group > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > > Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc > output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I > would have thought actually potting this down after rectification > with 10A would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated > at 30piV. > > > Hugh, M0DSZ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > dhchurch@lineone.net > > From: DK7FC > Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 > To: rsgb_lf_group > Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > Hi Ian, > > When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A > to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the > secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down > by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the > same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). > > 73, Stefan > > Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: > > Hello Allan > > > > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with > the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra > trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks > for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the > Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: > Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: > rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured > to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the > LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > > range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has > not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on > mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > > Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > > available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 16 18:37:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,STOX_REPLY_TYPE,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7GGbUst026618 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:37:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1di1F2-00072H-9X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:32:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1di1F1-000728-Hn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:32:23 +0100 Received: from rgout0306.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.212] helo=rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1di1Ex-0007nh-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:32:22 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=13/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.16.161516:17:13.587,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06, __ANY_URI, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __STOCK_PHRASE_6, __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN_DIG, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __FORWARDED_MSG, __URI_WITHOUT_PATH, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODY_SIZE_4000_4999, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, __URI_NO_PATH, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 58A82A5C13431EA7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:32:16 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1502901139; bh=iSKmGN+F+uR2o9Ie5EhwSljuMp+Olk5/v0+/4HXXleQ=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=JZsce7fx+ZNDR4HTtz6kWF5a+lEkmLMndmQx1ph+W9fzysO0fQpYb8V6aS1KE/4Dr5rFzd2iqk9+5aMWct1P4NuUTH5L+Kylob/w0CLgV2//pLI6zrmhTyAnCZVaGDFUsr4uRD3Z8VrSiD17lYvPibcYlcm0Q8mE175i4o1ASNc= Message-ID: <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> <59942B0A.24580.1EB31366@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:32:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12392 Thanks Mike that is very useful after Hugh flagged up the diode voltage problem. It has the added advantage of not being as ragile as a nice thermocouple meter. You can thus save those for more controll conditions of use in calibration. I imaging the linearity is probably due to the high voltages induced. I suspect it is not quite so good at 100mA. BUT then the lowest FSD thermocouple meter have is 350mA FSD. Thanks to the Group the stock of kits has shrunk quite nicely. I do have one or two more that are not spoken for. :-)) Thanks and Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >I made several modifications to get 5A FSD on my meter. Firstly, I > used all of the supplied wire to make 17t on the toroid instead of > the recommended 10t. I changed the input resistors which were getting > hot with 3A RF. I also added a fixed resistor in series with the > meter. This of course changed the old 100mA range to something like > 2A, but it could easily be retained with some slightly more complex > mods. > > I calibrated the HUP meter with a Russian WW2 thermocouple ammeter, > and found its linearity to be good. A very nice piece of kit. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > >> Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont have a power source at the >> moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but certainly not >> 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the >> ferrite. Though I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel >> currently :-)) ) would work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original >> components were designed to get the 100mA range I think. That needs >> checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dhchurch@lineone.net >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> >> >> Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc >> output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I >> would have thought actually potting this down after rectification >> with 10A would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated >> at 30piV. >> >> >> Hugh, M0DSZ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> dhchurch@lineone.net >> >> From: DK7FC >> Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> Hi Ian, >> >> When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A >> to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the >> secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down >> by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the >> same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: >> > Hello Allan >> > >> > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with >> the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra >> trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks >> for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the >> Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: >> Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: >> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured >> to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the >> LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > >> range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has >> not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on >> mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > >> Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > >> available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 17 11:57:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7H9ursb029400 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:56:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1diHOX-0007v7-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:47:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1diHOW-0007uy-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:47:16 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1diHOS-0002QU-MH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:47:15 +0100 Received: from InernetPC ([84.130.254.188]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lg5kl-1dG5Je3Zwx-00pgEA for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:47:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> <59942B0A.24580.1EB31366@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> In-Reply-To: <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:47:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:RPyi64b14W4cgYU8lHONwthff6cA/BO7QP3EV2hrv8OHx6bS05h wg4A+2whw5c3ErPjC9b9Ru5q/kguqh0KcdU3ssYv7wymb+Z27x8HGIdKzNZaGy9ie89anRw HFVKNCW+xOvU/r/721h65g706kD+u3Y+iRJfhBkZsm/ZAfElvURDXkOr/x40xLBOz9uj5LX jE+PpewViafcpqg9efHXA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6QcBeZRdyE0=:MLd4HC04y79jPNxZi6YHYV o2Nj4XciEAME2qnTVXw3/aX9BgEPLt2tan7Hodf5EhHtOG6a13P+H3JGFL8lyfInRm0XtApan G+egZnJSWn+Cm5+DYmn/lqr2OlKBRiWbPVf2iW5KQRvF5K72HWAJ+oHW9ASeNt5LP0SzHXR6M pOhw6N9HzHs2BFJ7fRXvf+MYyXUQJD4zEmXcyveWfQ28t366/qZrQJ4RqTg3G8B+oJJaSo6BK tnQDLZ33tPlEVdgNLejC4WCtiv0zYgbqJmPVn7gRsGihsoXWKhX1pyjMWX2bXO8HN/cM59ZCr TG7p6eZI7F+vbieXUWwZ9Bq0KDq0B4yjbBfyBN15gOBwvR6Oz4r14Es73iCiHYf1/h9nJqXAy kj/ePN9MB6E9G5MY0lwbaG+Zk7vavIby/r4R6Lmy/ijsMfDPgMcsofGLE1VUT0wEsn1Zehfvk NCqpXK2Tw6XUzyK0zeARGAno6bKNaYrGcAZXzAuMQgK8elqFXUMI8O6e+dx9u+9vUvJGI6iO8 /HFdWLPXLBLMUGKbYZn7knLQGJekZB/VHqmewT2Hzs/dx1VSiR9hvbz1ebZwX4HskMmL1XAAx yoj5dvMVqWjWKpHtVacyE9UCCZnKubUsJPuz5mUCeOTTNba3BiP8qMC17BwUSSFu2TiJsl9qQ 4JInKMJeR5LYwoH56NYbe3CrHgGYocDW8udixdwW9rFtwmOcCP5uXjWQUATHGJcIwbMrS9TnV a1K8Zv6791fXgkRfxHqGXnKhD4i3k7UyxG6lfLuwFNdLF6/bIbF5kkovJ30LTQEPi7UC43s4v GJB/G4LTnnT6590fPIUWjUAf7H6fbbv3DYFpHKzL1GSMkdGFWU= X-Scan-Signature: 34d483c57c7a6bf26c25db3c8765d5fc Subject: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12393 http://dl0rcp.bplaced.de/index.php/webapps-2/berechnung-antennenstrommessgeraet 73! -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- From: Alan Melia Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Thanks Mike that is very useful after Hugh flagged up the diode voltage problem. It has the added advantage of not being as ragile as a nice thermocouple meter. You can thus save those for more controll conditions of use in calibration. I imaging the linearity is probably due to the high voltages induced. I suspect it is not quite so good at 100mA. BUT then the lowest FSD thermocouple meter have is 350mA FSD. Thanks to the Group the stock of kits has shrunk quite nicely. I do have one or two more that are not spoken for. :-)) Thanks and Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >I made several modifications to get 5A FSD on my meter. Firstly, I > used all of the supplied wire to make 17t on the toroid instead of > the recommended 10t. I changed the input resistors which were getting > hot with 3A RF. I also added a fixed resistor in series with the > meter. This of course changed the old 100mA range to something like > 2A, but it could easily be retained with some slightly more complex > mods. > > I calibrated the HUP meter with a Russian WW2 thermocouple ammeter, > and found its linearity to be good. A very nice piece of kit. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > >> Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont have a power source at the >> moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but certainly not >> 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the >> ferrite. Though I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel >> currently :-)) ) would work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original >> components were designed to get the 100mA range I think. That needs >> checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dhchurch@lineone.net >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> >> >> Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc >> output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I >> would have thought actually potting this down after rectification >> with 10A would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated >> at 30piV. >> >> >> Hugh, M0DSZ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> dhchurch@lineone.net >> >> From: DK7FC >> Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> Hi Ian, >> >> When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A >> to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the >> secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down >> by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the >> same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: >> > Hello Allan >> > >> > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with >> the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra >> trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks >> for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the >> Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: >> Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: >> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured >> to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the >> LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > >> range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has >> not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on >> mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > >> Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > >> available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 17 11:58:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=6 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7H9w28w029407 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:58:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1diHRA-0007vx-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:50:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1diHR8-0007vo-TW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:49:58 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1diHR5-0002RC-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 10:49:57 +0100 Received: from InernetPC ([84.130.254.188]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lkzph-1d7qDs3Yfd-00ao7m for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:49:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4CAFF1609269422E9741FE5AEA271341@InernetPC> From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> <59942B0A.24580.1EB31366@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> In-Reply-To: <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:49:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VgMu2P3+djl4q2csWsruceqXtn33j6BtfTyo/5TB5Iz8L6j2J2s ALAftb7LdD9jgeKu7+FSY+aZ0aR68ycyzB+pcgGCPbarYsUZYGMsLBxpKdCevlMWD37EzMA IRDxvlbOeS/UmcFc8iUyJv8Z1t1cNAi5B9cYaNuKGIoI3zlye/bEEI0egiAjiGEFCFLuMou mLaS3j8L1GI0TFWlbRtdw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Qzhi/o0I5CM=:VKWYFFPiAuMJw3IBqnuyB5 BTh0ER6IvK2iSx9kiYPj22mfEgyLvRM2HTupRH09uaZQGU1uS3fFPIP+LyTPdPe7p3yj10z1i 80XPpZoRUoq9Ul68M2JpQbHdnThaMkGHsp96iwonnaToM9f954MdcsV1ArUIOtRDdd7BUTviE 3yYtKrmYLD4PWYTbJvDaRqXBI3lhiNXj3Hn/5jtCdpw1XlpzseinQixCb3spV1hpXYgAuBe7R 6y7EsZU0DuvxRsXFKup8NndAf24d5T5T1UGSjrbIhLL3QB/8/nzumkkLM4rBwzBpL8HNL5b1E 84PLFJXobOiAoFuqMjKztAEMnWPWjITIelubGZ2Bg/9CEfn1tAUUoPpzVDHqoGUy7+WFlelk5 yRKSeBdsbP9u0sc7PooXOloI24+ZT6oz+HqYD2DRUljrMQ8NfnDAxjyboylCQD/tYtLosRRZK LifuwC4bf/uIFwRAh+hX0mdE0zLG2bQxJS/FdIIxJ0EY9esRx/uu6uSk9MRJvduA6x/1ohfq5 Rw73PserQYPc1GI3mKk7QFMFfs6HBHkEwlOJ3MDjFHsN34uqNgBeWx9oIuqbRnn7f5myxA9ZM BzJwwtoMg96bO/VqjaLzdAGH//wNqrRaOeKOT8kWwYfxTVWp8fjlHojZvazMMmazCnBB9Su98 qLjSxJZIdbQ45uSt5g7+WdEXEQz2/U9BDdwZBTm8jgE+gBhEKzsuthMySL8Qz+xHb7Y+lDWgf PsWsd55lUEnpAhtS+ti63uZWHxgBhVjRa6JtjGcZJhQ3T8Avlt9/E1qo6XJBMh9n+AGfxL7pp mZ353yeKBSRF4oVMxgUEx7z1EMyVm8dSubrCzdY911Mox9Ws9c= X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12394 http://dl0rcp.bplaced.de/index.php/themen-raw/mf-lf-equipment-dl3arm-en 73! Thomas -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- From: Alan Melia Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Thanks Mike that is very useful after Hugh flagged up the diode voltage problem. It has the added advantage of not being as ragile as a nice thermocouple meter. You can thus save those for more controll conditions of use in calibration. I imaging the linearity is probably due to the high voltages induced. I suspect it is not quite so good at 100mA. BUT then the lowest FSD thermocouple meter have is 350mA FSD. Thanks to the Group the stock of kits has shrunk quite nicely. I do have one or two more that are not spoken for. :-)) Thanks and Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >I made several modifications to get 5A FSD on my meter. Firstly, I > used all of the supplied wire to make 17t on the toroid instead of > the recommended 10t. I changed the input resistors which were getting > hot with 3A RF. I also added a fixed resistor in series with the > meter. This of course changed the old 100mA range to something like > 2A, but it could easily be retained with some slightly more complex > mods. > > I calibrated the HUP meter with a Russian WW2 thermocouple ammeter, > and found its linearity to be good. A very nice piece of kit. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > >> Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont have a power source at the >> moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but certainly not >> 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the >> ferrite. Though I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel >> currently :-)) ) would work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original >> components were designed to get the 100mA range I think. That needs >> checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dhchurch@lineone.net >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> >> >> Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc >> output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I >> would have thought actually potting this down after rectification >> with 10A would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated >> at 30piV. >> >> >> Hugh, M0DSZ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> dhchurch@lineone.net >> >> From: DK7FC >> Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> Hi Ian, >> >> When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A >> to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the >> secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down >> by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the >> same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: >> > Hello Allan >> > >> > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with >> the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra >> trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks >> for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the >> Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: >> Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: >> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured >> to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the >> LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > >> range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has >> not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on >> mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > >> Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > >> available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 17 21:00:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dmv.com: mailn 1095; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7HJ0GTs030908 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:00:20 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1diPq3-0008WL-Pk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:48:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1diPq2-0008WC-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:48:14 +0100 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1diPpy-0004WZ-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:48:13 +0100 Received: from feu3 (10.192.64.13) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.060.43) id 596E2062008CAC2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:48:06 +0200 Received: from (82.48.179.178) by wmlighttin.pc.tim.it; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:48:06 +0200 Message-ID: <15df1862402.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:48:06 +0200 (CEST) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 82.48.179.178 X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: R: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v7HJ0GTs030908 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12395 Hello Thomas, thank for the link to a nice web page! Wish to add just a reference to datas reported: it is advisable for a proper work of the current transformer that the secundary winding has an inductive reactance 6 - 10 times the loading resistance.Just to give some figures.. in my case the current transformer has a 1:50 ratio (so in the secundary flows a current 1/50 of the antenna current) and it is terminated on a 50 ohm resistance. I used an FT50-43 and 50 turns has an inductance in excess of 1mH that at 137 kHz means more than 800 ohm of reactance. In these conditions my RF ammeter which is rated for 4A fsd had, up to now, no problem ;-) The current flowing in the load resistor is 80mA for an RF current of 4A, and across this resistance will be developed 5V. I use an old fashionated OA95 to rectify this. 73, Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: Thomas.Rosenkranz.1@gmx.de Data: 17-ago-2017 11.49 A: Ogg: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter http://dl0rcp.bplaced.de/index.php/themen-raw/mf-lf-equipment-dl3arm-en 73! Thomas -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Alan Melia Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter Thanks Mike that is very useful after Hugh flagged up the diode voltage problem. It has the added advantage of not being as ragile as a nice thermocouple meter. You can thus save those for more controll conditions of use in calibration. I imaging the linearity is probably due to the high voltages induced. I suspect it is not quite so good at 100mA. BUT then the lowest FSD thermocouple meter have is 350mA FSD. Thanks to the Group the stock of kits has shrunk quite nicely. I do have one or two more that are not spoken for. :-)) Thanks and Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >I made several modifications to get 5A FSD on my meter. Firstly, I > used all of the supplied wire to make 17t on the toroid instead of > the recommended 10t. I changed the input resistors which were getting > hot with 3A RF. I also added a fixed resistor in series with the > meter. This of course changed the old 100mA range to something like > 2A, but it could easily be retained with some slightly more complex > mods. > > I calibrated the HUP meter with a Russian WW2 thermocouple ammeter, > and found its linearity to be good. A very nice piece of kit. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > >> Hi Hugh thanks for that.......I dont have a power source at the >> moment.Yes they would probably just survive 2A but certainly not >> 10.The solution then is to increase the number of turns on the >> ferrite. Though I think reducing the load (two 100R in parallel >> currently :-)) ) would work too. say 2 x 10R ??The original >> components were designed to get the 100mA range I think. That needs >> checking against Ian GM3SEK's web site. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: dhchurch@lineone.net >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> >> >> Having just put this meter into use, I must point out that the dc >> output from the BAT42 diodes is about 15V for the 1A range so I >> would have thought actually potting this down after rectification >> with 10A would promptly see off the diodes which, I think, are rated >> at 30piV. >> >> >> Hugh, M0DSZ >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> dhchurch@lineone.net >> >> From: DK7FC >> Date: 2017-08-05 10:46 >> To: rsgb_lf_group >> Subject: Re: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter >> Hi Ian, >> >> When the range of a current tranformer should be increased from 1A >> to 10A, the best way is to increase the number of turns of the >> secondary winding by a factor 10. This transforms the current down >> by a factor 10 (not up) in the secondary winding... I*N has the >> same value on both sides (ideally/theoretically). >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 05.08.2017 11:35, schrieb i.frith@ntlworld.com: >> > Hello Allan >> > >> > I assume the 10A mod is a matter of increasing the series R with >> the > meter to around 800k? > > I suppose a 3way switch and extra >> trim pot could be added to preserve > the 1A range too. > > Thanks >> for the note re-shipping Monday. > > Look forward to getting the >> Kit. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > -----Original Message----- From: >> Alan Melia > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:36 PM > To: >> rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Subject: LF: RE:G4HUP aerial current meter > > It has just occured >> to me that the 1A range may not be high enough for > some > of the >> LF QRO merchants. There is a simple mod which will extend the > >> range > up to 10A though you should be aware the ferrite core has >> not been > tested at > this level of RF. These cores are used on >> mains leads carrying up to > 13A so > I think they will be OK. > > >> Thank you to those showing interest, there are a few kits still > >> available. > > Alan > G3NYK > > >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com>> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 17 21:05:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dmv.com: mailn 1095; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7HJ5A06030927 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:05:14 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1diPvh-00006V-Rz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:54:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1diPvh-00006M-4G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:54:05 +0100 Received: from rgout0706.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1diPvd-0004YM-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:54:03 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.17.181517:17:12.455,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_WITH_PATH, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_400_LESS, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_300_399, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, URI_WITH_PATH_ONLY Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 598528DE0131A33E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:53:59 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1502996041; bh=tFuZKWgEzzaES6dsRS1Ho2mXBtxSndzGf+SIRO4YqnU=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=vcTVow+D9Y7YgRHdHX6apVk8h3Cxmtv97KSZ24v/e6PeQTU30yKkDNIQZkrLr+WV1/sE0v5MpHZD+1OM2k4neYZZye0OrmyqLlnDc2OzOjF7PIXR8o6D7vATbk6rX9bNwwIs4H29M9w/ax6YwgF/FeTwxOPlWSYnUcwm4fVSjd0= Message-ID: From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <0883B95D3F4D417F975C59A900E1A838@gnat>, <8B69C5D938E54F6B987C46A0EBBC28D7@gnat> <59942B0A.24580.1EB31366@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <8745DC48445B4872AB6B25BB834C4391@gnat> <4CAFF1609269422E9741FE5AEA271341@InernetPC> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:53:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: LF: Re: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12396 Hi Thomas interesting page. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Rosenkranz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:49 AM Subject: LF: Re: G4HUP aerial current meter > http://dl0rcp.bplaced.de/index.php/themen-raw/mf-lf-equipment-dl3arm-en > > 73! Thomas From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 18 13:24:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7IBOVfJ032493 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:24:35 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1difEa-00018t-T1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:14:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1difEa-00018k-5I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:14:36 +0100 Received: from mail-wr0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22b]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1difEW-0007j6-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 12:14:34 +0100 Received: by mail-wr0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id f8so23928379wrf.3 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 04:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mPROLuZ2+Dn+a+QDngfdyBysHj6moib9tR9YJIzRVSo=; b=QC2iHBhbhg8GU2Po6UgTWmKV/PYvkl+j8Pk7JwixdC37Jo2/uTv5MJZmuqUWT79Z2R Ob+NE+H3kURNPppG0me940QrggkGgdiil61xNJgqjMpFkjEp8/tlJDI9qYDwBgWiRAsW /yEwqhirsTIuTR0/Ad+oQUb7mKijCc5aRax45MIpOdvMAEtChiHVp9OrEq/kG7x5Tygi 356/vBoMgLt/qNUBpTFeH6wRX3So8iGp4A7qbalWwXaLpy/j4Y+wSjtEieul8KODSj1p AMo1hV3mvpBgu2kmEwrUtt2MiafMSEiNRIIS6KdHGe4+1BC+QnVqMv+7UYx9v4sg7d01 y1Yg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mPROLuZ2+Dn+a+QDngfdyBysHj6moib9tR9YJIzRVSo=; b=twW/ykrIFvd9bi6wOgATixVDDjUn5dGixuZFCMBjIy9DzYjZ7d8klBhJGawa5JiLHM 3lfgvUwZ3wCkPSSyrBqp840MlSeWp667Gtjbv1DwFTKmzZgyoBWFzpW10fb+nxW1+ne4 CbJv8zqv9q+D56Be+SQxk1K4FmwF5a6pjxoqH6sLMTCBDyWrM8x/LNjZt0ZEhvbHzG0+ IqzsEJ5fI6hRDY75fhW5SCGGwUqM8tDDa15K/BYSlc6tOfRRnQPPqnyKcAxt/JiqJtll 9NlvdHglPLr8WIGTPYssZkoA7SoKhKAOTKKUKBouW6MQgaM8jw9bHH/ypgENMsU23X+5 uHow== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hTHiQ2mTUiFvR2M1oXIpjRqvnltKZcW0xYh/cAgNco3tW8RYPJ 7rOPflW0ELNgOAoVVJPCyb7mBeYTm6x7 X-Received: by 10.28.170.85 with SMTP id t82mr1391931wme.39.1503054871023; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 04:14:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.151.15 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 04:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Domenico IZ7SLZ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:13:50 +0200 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: 3df6620ae1cf83b986cf2fc02407da16 Subject: LF: last night opera signals on LF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="001a11444c5eaa96580557053bac" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12397 --001a11444c5eaa96580557053bac Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11444c5eaa96530557053baa" --001a11444c5eaa96530557053baa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello LF, noted some nice activities on LF in opera segment last night. Good detections of Dave G3XDV here in JN80, as usual. 2017-08-18 00:04:09 G3XDV 1796km 137473.788Hz 3mHz -39.5dBOp 82% 20.8dB 2017-08-17 22:49:46 G3XDV 1796km 137473.791Hz 8mHz -35.8dBOp 99% 21.0dB 2017-08-17 21:14:40 G3XDV 1796km 137473.792Hz 3mHz -37.1dBOp 100% 20.1dB Compliments Dave for your signal: your station is a 'lighthouse' on LF. Noted that also Tom, SM2DJK is again active in opera with his coherent transmitter. No opds detection here but, observing his central frequency in 2 hours, i found a carrier that most probably is Tom's signal (see attached plot). My LF EbNaut auto-decoder is again online http://qsl.net/iz7slz/ . It can be reprogrammed easly on any other LF or MF frequencies and timeslots on request, in case some operator wants to try EbNaut. Main Rx antenna is still under repairs but i hope to erect it for tonight. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ --001a11444c5eaa96530557053baa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello LF,
noted some nice activities on LF in opera segment last night.<= br>

Good detections of Dave G3XDV here in JN80, as usual.
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2017-08-18 =
00:04:09 G3XDV   1796km 137473.788Hz   3mHz -39.5dBOp  82% 20.8dB
2017-08-17 22:49:46 G3XDV   1796km 137473.791Hz   8mHz -35.8dBOp  99% 21.0d=
B
2017-08-17 21:14:40 G3XDV   1796km 137473.792Hz   3mHz -37.1dBOp 100% 20.1d=
B
Compliments Dave for your signal: your station is a 'lighthouse'=
 on LF.
Noted that also Tom, SM2DJK is again active in opera with his cohe=
rent transmitter.
No opds detection here but, observing his central freq=
uency in 2 hours,
i found a carrier that most probably is  Tom's sig=
nal (see attached plot).

My LF EbNaut auto-decoder is again online  http://qsl.net/iz7slz/ . It can be rep=
rogrammed easly
on any other LF or MF frequencies and timeslots on request=
, in case some operator wants to try EbNaut.

Main Rx antenna is still =
under repairs but i hope to erect it for tonight.

=
73, Domenico  IZ7SLZ=
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; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:47:47 +0200 (CEST) To: Rsgb_Lf_Group From: Lubomir Bobalik Message-ID: <59970ECB.3030603@rtv5.cz> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:59:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at smtp.itself.cz X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Signature: e4383209d2ccb9552700d53c0b540538 Subject: LF: Telefunken LW 638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12398 Hello Tom, John and Clemens! Many thanks for your help. Now, I have the basic information about LF adaptor LW 638. My efford to find a scheme of the interesting device is continuing. I think, I am not able to try an adaptor without this one. GL and 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, Breclav From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 19 11:56:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7J9uAAC004508 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:56:11 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dj0K8-0002KE-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:45:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dj0K7-0002K5-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:45:43 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dj0K4-0002cK-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:45:42 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3796A209A9 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:45:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xZFSH4Mxlz10Hq for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599808BF.20505@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:45:35 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 11963a33d604c33786d8f1de94ce267f Subject: Re: LF: last night opera signals on LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203080208010403060403" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12399 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020203080208010403060403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Domenico, Nice to see the activity on LF. There are several new RX stations, due to the upcoming SDR kits in the recent time. So the ratio RX/TX stations increases :-) Currently i stay on MF but soon i plan to be back on LF with a somewhat stronger signal again. Then i can overcome the noise floor of Paul's new receiver on LF, at least in QRSS-60 i guess :-) The coil body is already here. I just need to wind the coil. I have holidays now, so there is more time... Then i will leave some more messages on your EbNaut decoder. 73, Stefan Am 18.08.2017 13:13, schrieb Domenico IZ7SLZ: > Hello LF, > noted some nice activities on LF in opera segment last night. > > Good detections of Dave G3XDV here in JN80, as usual. > 2017-08-18 00:04:09 G3XDV 1796km 137473.788Hz 3mHz -39.5dBOp 82% 20.8dB > 2017-08-17 22:49:46 G3XDV 1796km 137473.791Hz 8mHz -35.8dBOp 99% 21.0dB > 2017-08-17 21:14:40 G3XDV 1796km 137473.792Hz 3mHz -37.1dBOp 100% 20.1dB > Compliments Dave for your signal: your station is a 'lighthouse' on LF. > Noted that also Tom, SM2DJK is again active in opera with his coherent transmitter. > No opds detection here but, observing his central frequency in 2 hours, > i found a carrier that most probably is Tom's signal (see attached plot). > > My LF EbNaut auto-decoder is again onlinehttp://qsl.net/iz7slz/ . It can be reprogrammed easly > on any other LF or MF frequencies and timeslots on request, in case some operator wants to try EbNaut. > > Main Rx antenna is still under repairs but i hope to erect it for tonight. > > 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ --------------020203080208010403060403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Domenico,

Nice to see the activity on LF. There are several new RX stations, due to the upcoming SDR kits in the recent time. So the ratio RX/TX stations increases :-)
Currently i stay on MF but soon i plan to be back on LF with a somewhat stronger signal again. Then i can overcome the noise floor of Paul's new receiver on LF, at least in QRSS-60 i guess :-)
The coil body is already here. I just need to wind the coil. I have holidays now, so there is more time...
Then i will leave some more messages on your EbNaut decoder.

73, Stefan

Am 18.08.2017 13:13, schrieb Domenico IZ7SLZ:
Hello LF,
noted some nice activities on LF in opera segment last night.

Good detections of Dave G3XDV here in JN80, as usual. 
2017-08-18 00:04:09 G3XDV   1796km 137473.788Hz   3mHz -39.5dBOp  82% 20.8dB
2017-08-17 22:49:46 G3XDV   1796km 137473.791Hz   8mHz -35.8dBOp  99% 21.0dB
2017-08-17 21:14:40 G3XDV   1796km 137473.792Hz   3mHz -37.1dBOp 100% 20.1dB

Compliments Dave for your signal: your station is a 'lighthouse' on LF.

Noted that also Tom, SM2DJK is again active in opera with his coherent transmitter.
No opds detection here but, observing his central frequency in 2 hours,
i found a carrier that most probably is  Tom's signal (see attached plot).


My LF EbNaut auto-decoder is again online  http://qsl.net/iz7slz/ . It can be reprogrammed easly

on any other LF or MF frequencies and timeslots on request, in case some operator wants to try EbNaut.


Main Rx antenna is still under repairs but i hope to erect it for tonight.


73, Domenico  IZ7SLZ
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OnA+PC9zcGFuPjwvcD4NCjwvZGl2Pg0KPC9ib2R5Pg0KPC9odG1sPg0K --_000_DB6PR1001MB1320DE2A072E58B2E3BDFDC7EC810DB6PR1001MB1320_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 19 14:32:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7JCWXCd005105 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:32:34 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dj2rx-0002cj-2D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:28:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dj2rw-0002ca-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:28:48 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dj2rs-00030u-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:28:47 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D37420A29 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xZK4T52B8zyRn for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:28:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59982EF7.5030704@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:28:39 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: cd16d8c2fb75309db133b7de4adb1391 Subject: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050300000708050304070901" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12401 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050300000708050304070901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello VLF, I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz. Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on *4470.005 Hz*. The antenna current is just *150 mA*. That's an ERP of about *3 uW*. A first signal on the *67 km band* from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC: > The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety > function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the > transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So > now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( > It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on > 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier > detections and even EbNaut decodes. > > I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more > voltage, more power, more more more! --------------050300000708050304070901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
--------------050300000708050304070901-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 19 15:04:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7JD4Vi2005216 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:04:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dj3Lz-0002jk-Ph for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:59:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dj3LM-0002jZ-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:59:12 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dj3LE-00035p-Te for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:59:08 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C5EC209E4 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xZKlW5ZmPz10HR for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:59:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59983617.5090506@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:59:03 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> <59982EF7.5030704@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59982EF7.5030704@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020805050001000005080100" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12402 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020805050001000005080100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC: > Hello VLF, > > I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for > 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, > or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are > already planned. > > Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected > the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz. > Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on *4470.005 > Hz*. The antenna current is just *150 mA*. That's an ERP of about *3 > uW*. A first signal on the *67 km band* from here :-) > Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ > > Reports/Spectrograms welcome... > > As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from > my tree grabber: > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > > 73, Stefan > > Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC: >> The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety >> function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the >> transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So >> now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( >> It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on >> 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier >> detections and even EbNaut decodes. >> >> I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more >> voltage, more power, more more more! --------------020805050001000005080100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
--------------020805050001000005080100-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 19 19:27:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7JHQvMi006153 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:26:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dj7RX-000306-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:21:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dj7RW-0002zx-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:21:50 +0100 Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com ([65.39.178.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dj7RT-0003ba-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:21:49 +0100 Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BE6C8409D3 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w1.hushmail.com [65.39.178.83]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:21:38 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <599808BF.20505@posteo.de> From: Tony Baldwin Message-ID: <4ad7d42f85a53f1c02ca31d3e04c1edb@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:21:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: cd79e98bb57cf38a756c15469b5a993e Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS txing on 8.9kc CW 5wpm 300w into a ground loop 35m long Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CD13344160D49D91457C00D3" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12403 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CD13344160D49D91457C00D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good luck Jim One day I'll get my head around SpecLab and start doing some serious listening. I did look but couldn't see anything remotely like CW. 73, Tony, EI8JK IO51do On 19/08/2017 13:13, James Cowburn wrote: > > Hi All > > I’m running a VLF test beacon on 8.9kc . Ground loop electrode > system. 35m long > > Any spots welcome (if unlikely!) > > with best regards > > Jim > > Dr. Jim Cowburn G7NKS IO92ub > > Biggleswade UK > > Details on QRZ.com > --------------CD13344160D49D91457C00D3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good luck Jim
One day I'll get my head around SpecLab and start doing some serious listening.
I did look but couldn't see anything remotely like CW.
73, Tony, EI8JK  IO51do


On 19/08/2017 13:13, James Cowburn wrote:

Hi All

 

I’m running a VLF test beacon on 8.9kc .  Ground loop electrode system.   35m long

 

Any spots welcome (if unlikely!)

 

 

 

with best regards

 

 

Jim

 

Dr. Jim Cowburn G7NKS     IO92ub

 

Biggleswade  UK

 

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--------------CD13344160D49D91457C00D3-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 04:27:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7K2RWeL007382 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 04:27:33 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djFoZ-0003OL-AY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 03:18:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djFoY-0003OC-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 03:18:10 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djFoU-0004Q4-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 03:18:09 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jFoDdzyygowsNjFoNdOqIC; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 02:17:59 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503195479; bh=FUEm4tDTvzFvMTrho3jiZnjuLCqqODyzq7N8V1l+qwI=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nZpK2hoqgVYRpSB/D6jm5JyyE5zqRpUBu5lY1HTej59ytovqB22n4aaQC3jiXWaMK sib2F2WGSktix4lf2IuoqHriJW7pQglIF42U5f67qZhurRnYn9Xm6T+upWXFU/9cfC ukeoGfsV92YZOkIIot2Mim3pIurmEZti+9Sm8Z9HkKh5+APmppv8T6M24Qol3Vwh2x s8o74mB+QH+OmajENr+Vkut4nydibObINLs8g2HeqTIs6tN/ggzRtyB4aVHj3uuz7R wXFLtcrmjFrtWbHm+/MsJrkxts7X5geBKayOTT6YeU6Pvh6QxZvceUFBwbLTQB86gf kl/RZMJQwL7pg== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:78f6:dd:b547:d008]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id jFoKdMGy1N1TYjFoLdgCJb; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 02:17:58 +0000 From: To: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> In-Reply-To: <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:17:53 -0400 Message-ID: <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDF/IyaMvCBnw86Go5x/QMkUP55VAG5cn3QAawB5ROki1Ix4A== Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDK/KcT69h+e/Se3r9b2FvqnLgG9BtwTkcPq8YZfyMkDIlYly4mE4ogcKkXvckN2HFMx/Zm3dK6UdW0fHvifY/hRnln/q4b7t3L1wk2ajM+rxZgEyF/c pvX2MVWFIlGfGyIa8WWaBqM8chQIuxy/BSE= X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v7K2RWeL007382 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12404 Unofficial EclipseMob update: Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ 1-2 kW at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast totality. Dixon frequency may wander slightly. Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put to good use. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment Hi Jim et al. On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: > ... > (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths from NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=40.7KHz Good luck to all EclipseMob members! 73 de df3lp, Peter PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 11:04:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7K94i6o008516 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:04:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djM53-0005BQ-Fc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:59:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djM52-0005BH-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:59:36 +0100 Received: from omr-m015e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djM4x-0005um-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:59:35 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.143]) by omr-m015e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A018C3800087 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 04:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4703C38000081 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 04:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-a74.mail.aol.com (10.72.52.223) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 04:59:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 04:59:28 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dfede4d6d-7bd4-26e62@webprd-a74.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503219568; bh=QwOrMSoFdUdx9Xk8963X/d2Bht1zhdg61afSLBuYSno=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Mt4EJJXYP+t7mPF+xvnhsDFOTW0vQ2bYyFAHIceZHCmdSr8Oh4UVppxEVtZE8Miam Nvzg7g9WfXXpsJGTHeObn5ujGflWi3VoMLazpFgEIKr+aJ8pijNueyAM00YX9ParZ3 27PJGShtN3YQjB1SbldEs7J2bXjitEu5vSXz7zjM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b018f59994f7054c5 X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_189564_1972601509.1503219567978" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12405 ------=_Part_189564_1972601509.1503219567978 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another chance for European VLF observers could be the long-path component = from NWC Australia, 19.8 kHz. A transient phase change over America could p= roduce a dent in the ripple pattern which comes from the superposition of l= ong and short path. NWC is now shown in a strip at the bottom of the wideba= nd spectrograms on DL0AO and DF6NM grabbers: http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm http://df6nm.de/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) PS I did get Jim's reply but not Peter's posting, so Blacksheep seems rathe= r intermittent here,=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: hvanesce An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 4:20 Betreff: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Unofficial EclipseMob update: Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ 1-2 kW a= t 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, broadcastin= g MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast totality. Dixon frequency may wander slightly. Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting.=20 Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX m= ight be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put to good= use.=20 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment Hi Jim et al. On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: > ... > (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths from = NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare= from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=3D17-07-15&freq=3D40.= 7KHz Good luck to all EclipseMob members! 73 de df3lp, Peter PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html ------=_Part_189564_1972601509.1503219567978 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another chance for European VLF observers could be the l= ong-path component from NWC Australia, 19.8 kHz. A transient phase cha= nge over America could produce a dent in the ripple pattern which comes fro= m the superposition of long and short path. NWC is now shown in a stri= p at the bottom of the wideband spectrograms on DL0AO and DF6NM grabbers:
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htmhttp://df6nm.de/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
<= br>
PS I did get Jim's reply but not Peter's posting, so Blacksheep seem= s rather intermittent here,


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-= ----
Von: hvanesce <hvanesce@comcast.net>
An: rsgb_lf_group &l= t;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 4:20
= Betreff: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment

Unofficial EclipseMob = update:

Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ER= P to ~ 1-2 kW at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Ti= me, broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast tot= ality.
Dixon frequency may wander slightly.
Comparing Dixon signal to= WWVB signal could be interesting.

Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field st= rength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA

A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, o= r Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX might be captured and saved by = a record number of receivers, and put to good use.

73,

Jim= AA5BW


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 = PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment

Hi Jim et al.=

On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote:
> ...
> (b) any before/= during/after data from stable receivers ...

There is a slight chance= to observe effects via the propagation paths from NAU, NAA or NML to Europ= e. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 = utc, could be observed quite well here.
http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=3D17-07-15&= ;freq=3D40.7KHz

Good luck to all EclipseMob members!

73 d= e df3lp,
Peter

PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse:
http= ://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html


------=_Part_189564_1972601509.1503219567978-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 11:16:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7K9G3Mc008539 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:16:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djMGy-0005Ic-CP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:11:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djMGy-0005IT-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:11:56 +0100 Received: from omr-m007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djMGt-0005zc-El for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:11:54 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.111]) by omr-m007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8E584380006E for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 05:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3C1C938000081 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 05:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-a74.mail.aol.com (10.72.52.223) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 05:11:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 05:11:49 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dfee99b81-7bd4-26e7d@webprd-a74.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <59983617.5090506@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503220309; bh=e3Y4+B5vCThU68RNT23rsoUukr/myhEiuJIEClyHLnA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XaSeBXw3SDG4q6iADOxHeLEHNDFkMXo/KvC+ludeF5waochfUT3J9c+JOR+jK+YPS j9AQqewMiFRcQQcNraSQ0qbCrT6cnkkUonP/TMfln21R9F2CXgLbvglSY1Rny7X2Ni pIjZyI0J6PhwEsAiPV8K5wMkO5RGQANANU+qud44= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856f599952551a6e X-Scan-Signature: 1273381c241b4bc851b7e848e0897dc9 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_189595_1995163166.1503220308862" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12406 ------=_Part_189595_1995163166.1503220308862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 u= Hz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously observed = on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has si= nce been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas). We can = probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 H= z. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 = km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the co= il to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The = antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal= on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tr= ee grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber= 2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! ------=_Part_189595_1995163166.1503220308862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

this morning, an unambiguous = ;peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 uHz: 
http://df6nm.bp= laced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
The signal level&nb= sp;(-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously observed on 3675 Hz (no= ting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has since = been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas).  W= e can probably hope for improved SNR during the day.

Well done = again!

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)   


-----= Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.d= e>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschic= kt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!
=
...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz= . The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF= _Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
------=_Part_189595_1995163166.1503220308862-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 15:47:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KDlkYv008959 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:47:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djQQE-0005Zo-Vg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:37:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djQQE-0005Zf-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:37:46 +0100 Received: from omr-a014e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djQQ9-0006Zx-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 14:37:45 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.143]) by omr-a014e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D7C7A380009E for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7D3F138000081 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vab031.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.34) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:37:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:37:38 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15dffdcf848-c0a-3698@webjas-vab031.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15dfee99b81-7bd4-26e7d@webprd-a74.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503236258; bh=NEQChrvWIuFuP3q86uLcghKgjeuIbKLahd2UoCk8C2Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o/SezzsWE8JTsl7lm0yMajKof5hFjlrf/PoAE2kk7wE59HDOjH8HxfbgPCu5Y+vQB NBlZXMbecvwe7/lqxwgalQWbOIwETP+mxkDlj8pwOZ0WdzOgtbyn+WUsqzOjBAP+sU AvL074A/h21VenHqwI27QAUpEpLALYQftoYsd9oA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8f599990a242aa X-Scan-Signature: 3dad7246509e3b317974c9d84e795ac1 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17819_156398688.1503236257864" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12407 ------=_Part_17819_156398688.1503236257864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 Hz= since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. Hope = that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved= calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. =20 Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 u= Hz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously observed = on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has si= nce been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas). We can = probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 H= z. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 = km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the co= il to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The = antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal= on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tr= ee grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber= 2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! ------=_Part_17819_156398688.1503236257864 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have managed to resonate my antenna and star= ted a carrier on 4470.0025 Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is = 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. Hope that it might also become visib= le on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved calibration reference for = ;propagation from Heidelberg.  

Best 73,
Markus

=
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <mark= usvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&= gt;
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4= 470.005 Hz!

Hi Stefan,

th= is morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid= in 31 uHz: 
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/= VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm
The signal level (-140 dB)= seems to be similar to that previously observed on 3675 Hz (noting th= at the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has since been reduced= by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas).  We can probab= ly hope for improved SNR during the day.

Well done again!
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)   


-----Urspr=C3=BCn= gliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org><= br>Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.= 005 Hz!

...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz= . The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/D= K7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
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x-forefront-prvs: 040513D301 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <1CED247173B0B742973503570EA993BC@EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Aug 2017 15:20:04.0104 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5EUR03HT128 X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Subject: RE: LF: G7NKS txing on 8.9kc CW 5wpm 300w into a ground loop 35m long Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v7KFOk9S009122 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12408 Hi Mike I've just set it going now. I can hear it clearly in shack on 8.9khz (JRC JST245 fed via Datong up converter on 28.0089) S9+40dB The Rx antenna is a 30m long delta loop in a silver birch tree above the ground run of the wire, so no great surprise there. Distance ~ 8m! Yesterday I drove around the village using a simple 10m mobile whip via a datong up converter into my IC706mk2g and could receive it audibly out to about 100m. On my drive (50m from wire) it was S9, but under the drive is a big steel mesh that is cross bonded to my earthing system so again no surprise Moving off the drive (mesh) the signal dropped to S7 Much beyond 100m it was not audible above S3 background noise, though obviously the Rx system was hugely sub-optimal and I was relying on "mk1 human ear!) The TX system is a ELAD FDM-duo SDR transceiver output via the 0dBm port into a "G3XIZ interstage amp which takes the power up to ~ 1 watt. This is fed via 10m of coax into the garage into a Hafler P4000 audio amp and that gives about 400W out via a 8ohm to 50 ohm matching txfrmr (John W1TAG design). Coax from that goes to a connection - braid to earth near to amp and then core to a 35m long wire (RG6 actually - shorted braid to core at both ends) connected to a further good earth at bottom end of garden. The wire runs approx E-W. As you are south of me and hence orthoganol to the wire run, it may be even harder for you to detect. I'm txing G7NKS test IO92ub etc for about 1.5 mins at 5wpm using DM780 (the data component of HRD v5). This is set to repeat at 20 second intervals. Best of luck and see if you can spot me (I won't hold my breath as I know it's a bit heath robinson set up here!) with best regards Jim Dr. Jim Cowburn G7NKS IO92ub Biggleswade UK Details on QRZ.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dennison [mailto:mike.dennison@ntlworld.com] Sent: 20 August 2017 11:26 To: James Cowburn Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS txing on 8.9kc CW 5wpm 300w into a ground loop 35m long Jim, I miised your email yesterday but would be happy to look for your sigs. We are quite close so may be a chance. It will take me half an hour or so to reconfigure my receiver/antenna. Busy today, however, so perhaps a test next w/e, or even during the week? Mike, G3XDV ========== > Hi All > > Im running a VLF test beacon on 8.9kc . 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expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12410 Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Unofficial EclipseMob update: > > Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ 1-2 kW at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast totality. > Dixon frequency may wander slightly. > Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. > > Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA > > A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put to good use. > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Hi Jim et al. > > On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >> ... >> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... > > There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths from NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. > http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=40.7KHz > > Good luck to all EclipseMob members! > > 73 de df3lp, > Peter > > PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: > http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 20:56:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KItq20009535 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:55:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djVHn-0006Ag-3A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:49:23 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djVHm-0006AX-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:49:22 +0100 Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djVHe-0007KK-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:49:20 +0100 Received: by mail-oi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id g131so136518471oic.3 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8+D1ekC68Tinl8ggdQ7+2xjQmbV5tKh/JwBkJOu8YkQ=; b=tdnwn1dlgMxWfqQquEuVUcDQflGRRpkFV7MS19Y5RqAD8j/DKBvg6kE2LoojsGuc/B AN6VFOZI6a0dxcLfxEpncnyKnfTV/OVLyTwS9oJKPZ4MYVlyJwPLKE3RCIptp8mpAde+ 0oeUAzOpzxBH5fIkeWJKQlyQJlx12ob9ZlKKUFXB3XNZYo6ENffKRXfNS48vyw7jof0L pzWjdxL5kaxvKnUQCUmGmsjyG34BXjM7yLgJ859s1TqD53MjoK0/XgURdi9ovw53CgIu 751hzORAvQQatR9pefputTDwrUMU0AyCsZJgEyjTTSMuSOeJ7CnpO4RYW+VCUnp4pMqv Sk6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8+D1ekC68Tinl8ggdQ7+2xjQmbV5tKh/JwBkJOu8YkQ=; b=Pv1iiLfKrK9UAdhRGdj5vxhsqwFL4sKFSye1cq2yIK4QuV+EmoUK4SHiS0psydUCdZ zn9cMxmdaLsksUkijBbkX2qfU4Bwh/QOA/igN0CLonivccABqNsCE12nje+IGUgtvopu 8N5O1CRWi5Hq/UbNLL4+vn7KbLHQDk0kWvYqyUD/SHjuAHnlViQwYQJlPV72ymZfdigY rD5FY70dbH3XpaZvx/QQOF9IBXlGVJvXX896aAtKEKFfz1eLwgrY1zXVae5pPkcnni9X 4qVg5IynoDBz5W8TpNNBI3ICS6ez+r4V6tZDiFLodoIbnzMYyhya3al9i+YBdZ4QduE5 Wuzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hv57Go2PuGDqtnCcBk6Rb2e9pVRYNCRYQ+gAkrOZ+HzbegiGtT fU5drMh+UWXl1X1rxua6JdC/CueH+NvQ X-Received: by 10.202.86.199 with SMTP id k190mr42182oib.213.1503254951484; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:49:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.126.194 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex R7NT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:49:11 +0300 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: d186a3cb540ae631597f163017de1e53 Subject: LF: Aug 19-20 Best QRB/reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d328c63e243055733d1da" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12411 --001a113d328c63e243055733d1da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" *Aug 19-20 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 / WSPR2 >500km / OP32 / OPds32 :* 2017-08-20 09:56 WH2XND 0.137527 -30 0 DM33xt 20 JA5FP QM05bq *9254* 309 (1) 2017-08-20 06:12 WH2XND 0.137527 -16 0 DM33xt 20 KL7L BP51ip *4059* 331 (55) 2017-08-20 03:36 WH2XND 0.137528 -21 0 DM33xt 20 W1TAG/1 FN43sv *3728* 60 (34) 2017-08-20 04:32 2E0ILY 0.137551 -30 0 IO82qv 0.2 EB8ARZ IL18uk *2942* 208 (1) 22:48 136 R7NT de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search *2835* km -42 dB in Welwyn, IO91vt 1541.9 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2) 00:48 136 R7NT de PA0RDT Op32 *2574* km -37 dB F:6% in Middelburg 1541,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (3) 00:48 136 R7NT de PA7EY Op32 *2491* km -34 dB F:3% in Amsterdam 1542,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (3) 2017-08-20 01:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -24 0 IO82qv 0.2 SV8RV KM07ks *2470* 124 (11) 2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY *2470*km 137499.799Hz 122mHz -29.0dBOp 96% 20.7dB SV8RV (10) 02:27 136 2E0ILY de SV8RV-4 Op32 *2468* km -28 dB F:6%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. 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GREECE 1473,1 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2) 2017-08-20 11:00 WH2XND 0.137527 -15 0 DM33xt 20 K3SIW/4 EN52ta *2258* 59 (14) 21:47 136 2E0ILY de RA1ADF Op32 -39 dB F:29% in KO59HU (*2160* km) S.-Petersburg + T h -10m 137501.5 Hz 2017-08-19 23:16 G8HUH 0.137610 -34 0 IO81mg 0.1 EW6X KO45kl *2143* 65 (1) 2017-08-20 01:17 G3XDV *2097*km 137473.348Hz 3mHz -41.7dBOp 90% 18.9dB YO/4X1RF (2) 2017-08-19 23:16 G8HUH 0.137610 -35 0 IO81mg 0.1 OH2EAT KP20xw *2065* 48 (2) 2017-08-20 00:48 R7NT *2060*km 137540.958Hz 51mHz -36.2dBOp 86% 21.0dB DF6NM (6) 2017-08-20 02:27 2E0ILY *2051*km 137500.066Hz 131mHz -24.7dBOp 86% 19.5dB EW6X (9) 01:47 136 2E0ILY de EW6X Op32 -21 dB F:0% in KO45kl (*2051* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137500.1 Hz (6) 2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY *1999*km 137499.955Hz 140mHz -29.7dBOp 99% 21.9dB IZ7SLZ (12) 2017-08-20 01:17 G3XDV *1945*km 137473.433Hz 3mHz -31.4dBOp 88% 20.8dB EW6X (3) 01:17 136 G3XDV de EW6X Op32 -31 dB F:42% in KO45kl (*1944* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137473.4 Hz (2) 2017-08-20 02:30 2E0ILY 0.137550 -11 0 IO82qv 0.2 OH2EAT KP20xw *1930* 51 (21) 2017-08-20 12:12 WH2XND 0.137527 -4 0 DM33xt 20 VE7BDQ CN89la *1919* 335 (125) 2017-08-20 02:48 R7NT *1876*km 137540.915Hz 3mHz -39.8dBOp 96% 18.9dB IZ7SLZ (8 ) 2017-08-20 02:00 R7NT 0.137602 -32 0 KN97lf 200 SV8RV KM07ks *1811* 241 (2) 2017-08-20 01:48 R7NT *1811*km 137540.793Hz 106mHz -36.8dBOp 83% 19.4dB SV8RV (5) 23:48 136 R7NT de SV8RV-4 Op32 *1809* km -36 dB F:19% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1541,0 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 ) 2017-08-20 01:17 G3XDV *1796*km 137473.313Hz 3mHz -34.4dBOp 93% 21.5dB IZ7SLZ (2) 00:23 136 SM2DJK de G3XDV Op32 *1780* km -36 dB F:2% in Welwyn, IO91vt 1488.9 Hz (1) 2017-08-20 00:00 R7NT 0.137602 -36 0 KN97lf 200 OH2EAT KP20xw *1737* 336 (1) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137413 -26 0 IO81mg 0.1 SM3LNM JP82qg *1727* 37 (1) 2017-08-20 02:03 SM2DJK *1694*km 137487.991Hz 2mHz -34.4dBOp 100% 22.0dB DF6NM (3) 2017-08-19 20:02 RA3TGZ *1692*km 137515.088Hz 9mHz -45.5dBOp 76% 16.2dB YO/4X1RF (1) 00:23 136 SM2DJK de PA0RDT Op32 *1671* km -35 dB F:4% in Middelburg 1488,2 Hz (2) 2017-08-20 12:00 WH2XND 0.137525 0 0 DM33xt 20 W7IUV DN07dg *1629* 339 (271) 2017-08-19 22:32 2E0ILY 0.137551 -33 0 IO82qv 0.2 EA5DOM-2 IM98xn *1606* 172 (1) 01:07 136 2E0ILY de EA5DOM-1 Op32 *1605* km -33 dB F:1% in Albir 1500,1 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (11) 2017-08-20 02:32 2E0ILY 0.137551 -5 0 IO82qv 0.2 SM3LNM JP82qg *1572* 41 (21) 00:23 136 SM2DJK de PA7EY Op32 *1548* km -35 dB F:10% in Amsterdam 1489,5 Hz (3) 21:48 136 R7NT de RA1ADF Op32 -36 dB F:61% in KO59HU (*1505* km) S.-Petersburg + T h -10m 137542.6 Hz 01:17 136 G3XDV de EA5DOM-1 Op32 Deep Search *1472* km -40 dB in Albir 1473,5 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2) 2017-08-19 22:00 R7NT 0.137602 -25 0 KN97lf 200 UA4WPF LO66pu *1446* 37 (6) 2017-08-19 20:48 R7NT 0.137535 -27 0 KN97lf 200 UA4WPF LO66pu *1446* 37 (3) 20:48 136 R7NT de UA4WPF Op32 *1445* km -26 dB F:2% in Izhevsk (7) 2017-08-19 22:06 G8HUH 0.137411 -23 0 IO81mg 0.1 LA4ANA JO59cu *1259* 36 (1) 2017-08-20 01:00 R7NT 0.137602 -35 0 KN97lf 200 EW6X KO45kl *1152* 327 (1) 2017-08-19 18:48 R7NT *1152*km 137541.040Hz 93mHz -40.7dBOp 87% 18.9dB EW6X (3) 2017-08-19 22:30 2E0ILY 0.137550 -11 0 IO82qv 0.2 LA4ANA JO59cu *1102* 40 (3) 22:27 136 2E0ILY de LA4ANA Op32 *1102* km -22 dB F:31% in 1499,3 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (3) 2017-08-20 12:24 WH2XND 0.137527 -6 0 DM33xt 20 KK6EEW CM88on *1099* 302 (253) 2017-08-20 09:36 WH2XND 0.137527 -4 0 DM33xt 20 KJ6MKI CM88oi *1089* 301 (224) 2017-08-20 11:48 WH2XND 0.137527 -2 0 DM33xt 20 W6SFH CM88pl *1088* 302 (306) 2017-08-20 07:24 WH2XND 0.137527 -3 0 DM33xt 20 WW6D CM88pl *1088* 302 (171) 2017-08-20 00:23 SM2DJK *1053*km 137488.110Hz 2mHz -37.4dBOp 100% 20.4dB EW6X (2) 00:23 136 SM2DJK de EW6X Op32 -37 dB F:32% in KO45kl (*1052* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137488.1 Hz (1) 2017-08-20 00:48 R7NT *1045*km 137540.999Hz 87mHz -29.4dBOp 89% 21.4dB YO/4X1RF (13) 2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY *1033*km 137499.954Hz 126mHz -24.7dBOp 100% 21.1dB DF6NM (17) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137412 -29 0 IO81mg 0.1 DF1GC JO53cm *926* 69 (1) 2017-08-19 20:02 RA3TGZ *915*km 137515.171Hz 4mHz -34.8dBOp 100% 18.5dB EW6X (1) 20:02 136 RA3TGZ de EW6X Op32 -36 dB F:16% in KO45kl (*915* km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137515.2 Hz (1) 2017-08-19 22:00 R7NT 0.137603 -30 0 KN97lf 200 RA3TGZ LO14pw *909* 18 (4) 00:48 136 R7NT de RA3TGZ Op32 *908* km -31 dB F:14% in Sarov 1542,1 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (13) 2017-08-20 03:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -16 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL1GCD/1 JN48ar *880* 118 (25) 2017-08-20 07:07 2E0ILY *878*km 137499.944Hz 125mHz -24.9dBOp 92% 21.4dB DK7FC (6) 2017-08-20 05:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -12 0 IO82qv 0.2 DK7FC JN49ik *872* 111 (35) 2017-08-20 03:52 2E0ILY 0.137550 -14 0 IO82qv 0.2 F4KJI JN38un *871* 119 (24) 2017-08-19 23:10 2E0ILY 0.137550 -8 0 IO82qv 0.2 DF1GC JO53cm *856* 80 (29) 2017-08-19 23:16 G8HUH 0.137610 -27 0 IO81mg 0.1 DK7FC JN49ik *851* 99 (3) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137412 -26 0 IO81mg 0.1 DK7FC JN49ik *851* 99 (1) 2017-08-20 02:57 G3XDV *843*km 137473.312Hz 8mHz -27.6dBOp 100% 22.4dB DF6NM (6) 23:48 136 R7NT de RX3DHR Op32 *838* km -31 dB F:8% in <>KO94ks-Zaraysk<> 1541,9 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (10) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137412 -27 0 IO81mg 0.1 DL1GCD/1 JN48ar *834* 105 (1) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137412 -29 0 IO81mg 0.1 F4KJI JN38un *820* 107 (1) 05:47 136 2E0ILY de DL6II Op32 -13 dB F:7% in JO30NX (*700* km) nr Cologne + PA0RDT 137499.2 Hz (11) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137415 -19 0 IO81mg 0.1 DC0DX/MW2 JO31lk *688* 85 (1) 2017-08-20 07:57 G3XDV *682*km 137473.314Hz 8mHz -28.1dBOp 92% 21.9dB DK7FC (7) 21:03 136 SM2DJK de LA4ANA Op32 *679* km -35 dB F:9% in 1487,4 Hz (1) 2017-08-20 06:32 2E0ILY 0.137553 -12 0 IO82qv 0.2 DC0DX/MW2 JO31lk *673* 100 (30) 2017-08-19 23:50 2E0ILY 0.137550 -26 0 IO82qv 0.2 DC5AL-R JO31lk *673* 100 (20) 2017-08-20 02:32 2E0ILY 0.137550 -25 0 IO82qv 0.2 DL6OW-R JO31kk *667* 100 (3) 20:02 136 RA3TGZ de UA4WPF Op32 *658* km -31 dB F:1% in Izhevsk (2) 2017-08-19 23:04 G8HUH 0.137414 -19 0 IO81mg 0.1 PA7EY JO22jj *547* 74 (1) 07:57 136 G3XDV de DL6II Op32 -15 dB F:45% in JO30NX (*516* km) nr Cologne + PA0RDT 137472.6 Hz (4) 2017-08-20 05:10 2E0ILY 0.137552 +7 0 IO82qv 0.2 PA7EY JO22jj *503* 93 (36) 06:27 136 2E0ILY de PA7EY Op32 *503* km -1 dB F:1% in Amsterdam 1501,5 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (16) 05:07 136 2E0ILY de PA0RDT Op32 *452* km -6 dB F:9% in Middelburg 1500,2 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (12) 07:57 136 G3XDV de PA7EY Op32 *347* km -5 dB F:9% in Amsterdam 1474,8 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (5) 19:06 136 RA3TGZ de RX3DHR Op32 *283* km -28 dB F:3% in <>KO94ks-Zaraysk<> 1516,0 Hz with 0.3w + inv. L (2) 02:57 136 G3XDV de PA0RDT Op32 *266* km -11 dB F:0% in Middelburg 1473,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (4) 00:27 136 2E0ILY de G3XDV Op32 *203* km -1 dB F:0% in Welwyn, IO91vt 1500.9 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (7) *WSPR15:* TX-2 RX-6 *WSPR2 >500km:* TX-4 RX-25 *OP32:* TX-5 RX-12 RXds-6 (n) - it's the total number of the reports - it's the best result of the reports - it's the first result over time with the same levels E.sLoop + 200W Output 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru --001a113d328c63e243055733d1da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aug 19-20 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 /=C2=A0WSPR2 >500km=C2=A0/= =C2=A0=C2=A0OP32= =C2=A0/=C2=A0OPds32<= /span>=C2=A0:
2017-08-= 20 09:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JA5FP =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 QM05bq =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A09254=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 309 (1)
2017-08-20 06:12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KL= 7L =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BP51ip =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A04059= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 331 (55)
2017-08-20 03:36 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1= 37528 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 W1TAG/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 FN43sv= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A03728=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 60 (= 34)
2017-08-20 04:32 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -30 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EB8ARZ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IL18uk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02942=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 208 (1)
22:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de G3XDV Op32 Deep S= earch=C2=A02835=C2=A0km -42 dB in Welwyn, IO91vt 1541.9 Hz= with 200w + EsLoop (2)
0= 0:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de PA0RDT Op32=C2=A02574=C2=A0k= m -37 dB F:6% in Middelburg 1541,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (3)
00:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de PA7EY Op= 32=C2=A02491=C2=A0km -34 dB F:3% in Amsterdam 1542,4 Hz wi= th 200w + EsLoop (3)
201= 7-08-20 01:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 -24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SV8RV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A02470=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 124 (11)
2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY=C2= =A0=C2=A02470km 137499.799Hz 122mHz -29.0dBOp=C2=A0 96% 20= .7dB SV8RV (10)
02:27=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de SV8RV-4 Op32=C2=A02468=C2=A0km -2= 8 dB F:6%_Ini in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1500,0 Hz (9)
2017-08-20 02:27 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A02283km 137499.987Hz 145mHz -36.1dBOp=C2=A0 98% 20.9dB YO/4X1= RF (8 )
2017-08-20 02= :57 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A02266km 137473.155Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A08mHz= -36.3dBOp=C2=A0 82% 20.4dB SV8RV (2)
02:57=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SV8RV Op32=C2=A02265=C2=A0km -36 dB F:11% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1473,1 Hz with= ERP0.4w + inv-L (2)
201= 7-08-20 11:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 -15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 K3SIW/4 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EN52ta =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A02258=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 59 (14)=
21:47=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY d= e RA1ADF Op32 -39 dB F:29% in KO59HU (2160=C2=A0km) S.-Pet= ersburg + T h -10m 137501.5 Hz
2017-08-19 23= :16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137610 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= -34 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EW6X =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO45kl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<= /span>2143=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65= (1)
2017-08-20 01:17 = G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A02097km 137473.348Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -41= .7dBOp=C2=A0 90% 18.9dB YO/4X1RF (2)
2017-08= -19 23:16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137610 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -35 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OH2EAT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP20xw =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A02065=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 48 (2)
2017-= 08-20 00:48 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A02060km 137540.958Hz=C2= =A0 51mHz -36.2dBOp=C2=A0 86% 21.0dB DF6NM (6)
2017-08-20 02:27 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A02051km 137500.066Hz 131mHz -24.7dBOp=C2=A0 86% 19.5dB EW6X (9)
01:47=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de EW= 6X Op32 -21 dB F:0% in KO45kl (2051=C2=A0km) Polotsk + min= iwhip 137500.1 Hz (6)
= 2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A01999km 137499.955Hz 140= mHz -29.7dBOp=C2=A0 99% 21.9dB IZ7SLZ (12)
2017-08-20 01:17 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A01945km 137473.433Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -31.4dBOp=C2=A0 88% 20.8dB EW6X (3)
01:17=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV = de EW6X Op32 -31 dB F:42% in KO45kl (1944=C2=A0km) Polotsk= + miniwhip 137473.4 Hz (2)
2017-08-20 02:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -11 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OH2EAT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP20xw =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01930=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 51 (21)<= /span>
2017-08-20 12:12 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -4 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 VE7BDQ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CN89la =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 1919=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 335 (125)
2017-08-20 02:48 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01= 876km 137540.915Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -39.8dBOp=C2=A0 96% 18.9dB IZ7= SLZ (8 )
2017-08-20 02:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SV8R= V =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01811=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 241 (2)
2017-08-20 01:48 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A01811km 137540.793Hz 106mHz -36.8dBOp=C2=A0 83% 19.4dB S= V8RV (5)
23:48=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-4 Op32=C2=A01809=C2=A0km -36 dB F:19= % in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1541,0 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 )<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px">2017-08-20 01:17 G3XDV=C2=A0 = =C2=A01796km 137473.313Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -34.4dBOp=C2=A0= 93% 21.5dB IZ7SLZ (2)
00= :23=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 SM2DJK de G3XDV Op32=C2=A01780=C2=A0k= m -36 dB F:2% in Welwyn, IO91vt 1488.9 Hz (1)
2017-08-20 00:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -36 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 OH2EAT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP20xw =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01737=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 336 (1)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137413 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM3LNM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JP82qg =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01727=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37 (1)
2017-08-20 02:03 SM2DJK= =C2=A0=C2=A01694km 137487.991Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -34.4dBOp= 100% 22.0dB DF6NM (3)
2017-08-19 20:02 RA3TGZ=C2=A0=C2=A01692km 137515.088Hz=C2= =A0 =C2=A09mHz -45.5dBOp=C2=A0 76% 16.2dB YO/4X1RF (1)
00:23=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 SM2DJK de PA0RDT Op32= =C2=A01671=C2=A0km -35 dB F:4% in Middelburg 1488,2 Hz (2)=
2017-08-20 12:00 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137525 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 W7IUV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DN07dg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01629= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 339 (271)
2017-08-19 22:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -33 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EA5DOM-2 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 IM98xn =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01606=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 172 (1)
01:07= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de EA5DOM-1 Op32=C2=A01605=C2=A0k= m -33 dB F:1% in Albir 1500,1 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini W= hip RX (11)
2017-08-20 0= 2:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -5 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.= 2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM3LNM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JP82qg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A01572=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 41 (21)
00:23=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 SM2DJK de PA7EY Op3= 2=C2=A01548=C2=A0km -35 dB F:10% in Amsterdam 1489,5 Hz (3= )
21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 = R7NT de RA1ADF Op32 -36 dB F:61% in KO59HU (1505=C2=A0km) = S.-Petersburg + T h -10m 137542.6 Hz
01:17=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de EA5DOM-1 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A0= 1472=C2=A0km -40 dB in Albir 1473,5 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-= L (2)
2017-08-19 22:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7= NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -25 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UA4WPF = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LO66pu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01446=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37 (6)
2017-08-19 20:48 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137535 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UA4WPF =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LO66pu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01446=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37 (3)
20:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de UA4WPF Op32=C2=A01445=C2= =A0km -26 dB F:2% in Izhevsk (7)
2017-08-19 22:06 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137= 411 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LA4ANA =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO59cu = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01259=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 36 (1= )
2017-08-20 01:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -35 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EW6X =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO45kl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01152=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 327 (1)
2017-08-19 18:48 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01152km 137541.040Hz=C2=A0 93mHz -40.7dBOp=C2=A0 87% 18.9dB EW= 6X (3)
2017-08-19 22:3= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = -11 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LA4ANA =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO59cu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A01102=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 40 (3)
22:27=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de LA4ANA Op= 32=C2=A01102=C2=A0km -22 dB F:31% in=C2=A0 1499,3 Hz with = 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (3)
2017-08-20 12:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -6 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KK6EEW =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 CM88on =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01099=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 302 (253)
2= 017-08-20 09:36 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -4 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KJ6MKI =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CM88oi =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A01089=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 301 (224)
2017-08-20 11:48 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -2 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 W6SFH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CM88pl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01088= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 302 (306)
2017-08-20 07:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WH2XND =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137527 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -3 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 DM33xt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WW6D =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= CM88pl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01088=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 302 (171)
2017-08-= 20 00:23 SM2DJK=C2=A0=C2=A01053km 137488.110Hz=C2=A0 =C2= =A02mHz -37.4dBOp 100% 20.4dB EW6X (2)
00:23=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 SM2DJK de EW6X Op32 -37 dB F:32% in KO= 45kl (1052=C2=A0km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137488.1 Hz (1)
2017-08-20 00:48 R7NT=C2= =A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01045km 137540.999Hz=C2=A0 87mHz -29.4dBOp= =C2=A0 89% 21.4dB YO/4X1RF (13)
2017-08-20 01:47 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A01033km 137499= .954Hz 126mHz -24.7dBOp 100% 21.1dB DF6NM (17)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.137412 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF1GC =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 JO53cm =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0926=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 69 (1)
2017-= 08-19 20:02 RA3TGZ=C2=A0 =C2=A0915km 137515.171Hz=C2=A0 = =C2=A04mHz -34.8dBOp 100% 18.5dB EW6X (1)
20:02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RA3TGZ de EW6X Op32 -36 dB F:16% in= KO45kl (915=C2=A0km) Polotsk + miniwhip 137515.2 Hz (1)
2017-08-19 22:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137603 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RA3TGZ =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 LO14pw =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0909=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 18 (4)
00:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RA3TGZ Op32=C2=A0908=C2=A0km -31 dB F:14% in Sarov 1542,1 Hz with 200w + EsLoo= p (13)
2017-08-20 03:5= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = -16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL1GCD/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN48ar =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0880=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 118 (25)
2017-08-20 07:07 2E0ILY=C2=A0 =C2=A0878km 137499.944Hz 125mHz -24.9dBOp=C2=A0 92% 21.4dB DK7FC (6= )
2017-08-20 05:50 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -12 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0872=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 111 (35)
2017-08-20 03:52 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -14 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4KJI =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 JN38un =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0871=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 119 (24)
2017-08-19 23:10 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -8 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF1GC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO53cm =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0856=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 80 (29)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px">2017-08-19 23:16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.137610 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0851=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 99 (3)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137412 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0851=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 99 (1)
2017-08-= 20 02:57 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0843km 137473.312Hz=C2=A0 = =C2=A08mHz -27.6dBOp 100% 22.4dB DF6NM (6)
23:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RX3DHR Op32=C2=A08= 38=C2=A0km -31 dB F:8% in <>KO94ks-Zaraysk<> 1541,9 Hz= with 200w + EsLoop (10)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137412 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL1GCD/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN48ar =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0834=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 105 (1)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137412 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 F4KJI =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN38un =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0820=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 107 (1)
05:47=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de DL6II Op32 -13 dB F:= 7% in JO30NX (700=C2=A0km) nr Cologne + PA0RDT 137499.2 Hz= (11)
2017-08-19 23:04 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137415 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -19= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX/MW2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0688=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 85 (1)
2017-08-20 07:57 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<= strong>682km 137473.314Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A08mHz -28.1dBOp=C2=A0 92% 21.= 9dB DK7FC (7)
21:03=C2=A0= =C2=A0 136 SM2DJK de LA4ANA Op32=C2=A0679=C2=A0km -35 dB = F:9% in=C2=A0 1487,4 Hz (1)
2017-08-20 06:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137553 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX/MW2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0673=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 (3= 0)
2017-08-19 23:50 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC5AL-R =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<= strong>673=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 (20)
2017-08-20 02:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -25 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL6OW-R =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31kk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0667=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 (3)
20:02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RA3TGZ de UA4WPF Op32=C2=A0658=C2= =A0km -31 dB F:1% in Izhevsk (2)
2017-08-19 23:04 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137= 414 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -19 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0547=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 74 (1)=
07:57=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G= 3XDV de DL6II Op32 -15 dB F:45% in JO30NX (516=C2=A0km) nr= Cologne + PA0RDT 137472.6 Hz (4)
2017-08-20 05:10 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1= 37552 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +7 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0503=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 93 (36= )
06:27=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 = 2E0ILY de PA7EY Op32=C2=A0503=C2=A0km -1 dB F:1% in Amster= dam 1501,5 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (16)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px">05:07=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de= PA0RDT Op32=C2=A0452=C2=A0km -6 dB F:9% in Middelburg 150= 0,2 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (12)
07:57=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de PA7EY O= p32=C2=A0347=C2=A0km -5 dB F:9% in Amsterdam 1474,8 Hz wit= h ERP0.4w + inv-L (5)
19:= 06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RA3TGZ de RX3DHR Op32=C2=A0283=C2=A0km= -28 dB F:3% in <>KO94ks-Zaraysk<> 1516,0 Hz with 0.3w + inv. L= (2)
02:57=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1= 36 G3XDV de PA0RDT Op32=C2=A0266=C2=A0km -11 dB F:0% in Mi= ddelburg 1473,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (4)
00:27=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de G3XDV Op32=C2=A0203=C2=A0km -1 dB F:0% in Welwyn, IO91vt 1500.9 Hz with 0.1w + Ma= rconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (7)
WSP= R15:=C2=A0 TX-2= =C2=A0 RX-6
WSPR= 2 >500km:=C2=A0TX-4 RX-25
OP32:=C2=A0 TX-5=C2=A0 RX-12=C2=A0RXds-6
(n= ) - it's the total number of the reports - it's the best result of = the reports - it's the first result over time with the same levels
E.sLoop + 200W Output
73! Alex R7NT =C2= =A0136.73.ru
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--_000_DB6PR1001MB13204CF2833FFE5C99BF3850EC860DB6PR1001MB1320_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 21:38:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KJc2UT009579 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:38:04 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djVz9-0006Oa-EN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:34:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djVz9-0006OR-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:34:11 +0100 Received: from omr-m014e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djVz3-0007UE-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:34:09 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.80]) by omr-m014e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 67E1C380009F for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E68E638000081 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vaa133.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.33.136) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:34:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:34:02 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e01234288-c03-3f1c@webjas-vaa133.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15dffdcf848-c0a-3698@webjas-vab031.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503257643; bh=xMr8R4B4lmFBGnax3jwYcPEEQhLgrrIHhH1zxNQbmPA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ttxLFVSpUbtWbY2xceXxago543ZI0O1zTUrIG5D54b/Hd7lnxg1mJSjlWxTzeYJfY iDJmn71wKiCGbGI9HrIW27foYoGGON+vYOv26GcuhNVVzDBaWWetHqfDq6CEhH/6vW qxiOGxe8FF77mbx1hF1+BCTl3xZYGCPZRHPG8oTc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b13505999e42a7191 X-Scan-Signature: 0c28add2673aaa1c8f62f1695e18ff8b Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20332_305034395.1503257641608" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12413 ------=_Part_20332_305034395.1503257641608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on 447= 0.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal is about = 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar today, but I guess t= he effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB higher at DK7FC. Thus propagation= between Heidelberg and Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 dB with refer= ence to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, given that a similar= (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 Hz had indicated a +5.5 = dB ionospheric gain. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! I have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 Hz= since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. Hope = that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved= calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. =20 Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 u= Hz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously observed = on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has si= nce been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas). We can = probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 H= z. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 = km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the co= il to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The = antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal= on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tr= ee grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber= 2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! ------=_Part_20332_305034395.1503257641608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This test is going surprisingly well. producing beautifu= l twin peaks on 4470.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like = my signal is about 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are simi= lar today, but I guess the effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB high= er at DK7FC. Thus propagation between Heidelberg and Amberg would= be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 dB with reference to groundwave al= one. This is somewhat surprising, given that a similar (but probably less r= eliable) calculation for 3675 Hz had indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain.<= br>
All the best,
Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche M= itteilung--
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_= lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 20= 17 15:37
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

I have managed to re= sonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 Hz sinc= e 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. Hope = that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an imp= roved calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. &nbs= p;

Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-= ----
Von: Markus Vester <mar= kusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt:= So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!
...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz= . The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaef= er_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
------=_Part_20332_305034395.1503257641608-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 20 22:26:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KKQQgd009651 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:26:28 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djWjT-0006WI-Pn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:22:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djWjT-0006W9-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:22:03 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djWjP-0007c6-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:22:02 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 133342099D for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xb7X42Mkzz10JK for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5999EF63.1030206@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:21:55 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15dd846ba8e-2e05-13131@webprd-a53.mail.aol.com> <5990112D.3030503@posteo.de> <023301d31444$cdeba320$69c2e960$@comcast.net> <5990B3F3.9060502@posteo.de> <59982EF7.5030704@posteo.de> <59983617.5090506@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59983617.5090506@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: b4085bc26841e34d79a2f3beb8f287b1 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060609050406020003060400" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12414 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060609050406020003060400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very clear and stable trace at DL0AO, about 16 dB SNR in 31 uHz. Anything on Pauls RX? Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005? 73, Stefan Am 19.08.2017 14:59, schrieb DK7FC: > ...Rather 5 uW. > > Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC: >> Hello VLF, >> >> I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for >> 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, >> or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are >> already planned. >> >> Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected >> the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz. >> Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on *4470.005 >> Hz*. The antenna current is just *150 mA*. That's an ERP of about *3 >> uW*. A first signal on the *67 km band* from here :-) >> Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ >> >> Reports/Spectrograms welcome... >> >> As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from >> my tree grabber: >> http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC: >>> The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety >>> function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the >>> transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. >>> So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( >>> It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on >>> 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier >>> detections and even EbNaut decodes. >>> >>> I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, >>> more voltage, more power, more more more! --------------060609050406020003060400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very clear and stable trace at DL0AO, about 16 dB SNR in 31 uHz.

Anything on Pauls RX?

Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005?

73, Stefan

Am 19.08.2017 14:59, schrieb DK7FC:
...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
--------------060609050406020003060400-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 00:49:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KMnJmE009834 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:49:20 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djYt7-0006iF-4r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:40:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djYt6-0006i6-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:40:08 +0100 Received: from omr-a007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.58]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djYsx-0007r6-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:40:07 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.79]) by omr-a007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 35A91380004E for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aan01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EF3AB38000081 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webprd-a80.mail.aol.com (10.72.96.226) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:39:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:39:56 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e01cd781e-5f7-26b60@webprd-a80.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <5999EF63.1030206@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503268797; bh=xpH25Ke0QBHVXyouaimUlzisz7RS9XOI/r6LCqaPaxY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Yfs8uR22eF/OwkfA+I/lO3xJJQQwqPkUZT+fcczF0EJBTN18sOcvqo95SlYovv52Q 1FSlpLl8L126aAqPaAMQ8VxwN9SJBK4ePPiAj24ykTsL1sQQnLhvmzlojc+AlVSbe3 yWFykOBYi8rYaLRjXXLSEMsPYxUOxk/fqKUws7Dc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b134f599a0fbc7a7d X-Scan-Signature: e2fb1a5df1e2bc3146a6f486b4640b03 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_188128_2122905047.1503268796442" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12415 ------=_Part_188128_2122905047.1503268796442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005?=20 Yes, go ahead... 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 22:23 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! A very clear and stable trace at DL0AO, about 16 dB SNR in 31 uHz. Anything on Pauls RX? Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005?=20 73, Stefan Am 19.08.2017 14:59, schrieb DK7FC:=20 ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 H= z. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 = km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the co= il to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The = antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal= on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tr= ee grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber= 2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! ------=_Part_188128_2122905047.1503268796442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005?
=
Yes, go ahead...

73, Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitte= ilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 22:= 23
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

A very clear and stable trace at DL0AO, about 16 dB SNR in 31 uHz.

Anything on Pauls RX?

Is DL0AO ready for an EbNaut test on 4470.005?

73, Stefan

Am 19.08.2017 14:59, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 ...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz= . The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_v= lf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
------=_Part_188128_2122905047.1503268796442-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 01:08:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7KN7v3L009847 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:07:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djZGI-0006ph-A0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:04:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djZGH-0006pY-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:04:05 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djZGE-0007vn-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:04:04 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uIdRjKjHXVGs/q+rmqP85YxX2HzpAWfFjljYftquHKI=; b=KGVf5V6P7LeyQRN3Xkim3qKbJO cB8Nsv+Yo59JS1H2JcQtYmbPgsO0YcCnhOs4XY3nHwSFDA8d7oP1w9hnyOmP8LW5eVw2dKb0doXSb Jxx04K3Gh4/gb8GZg+8tM1lJASzHjS4qvArqxBvjA1BZWr3AWu0C483daNXWcw2Uqmp4=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:33389 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djZGC-0003Ao-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:04:00 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CED400051 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:58:24 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e01cd781e-5f7-26b60@webprd-a80.mail.aol.com> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:58:24 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15e01cd781e-5f7-26b60@webprd-a80.mail.aol.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 925300287489a1d7272e62b121c112aa Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12416 > Anything on Pauls RX? So far, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 05:09:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7L39hNb010076 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:09:44 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djd1O-0007BS-FN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:04:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djd1B-0007BJ-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:04:45 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djd16-0008L1-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:04:43 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jd0tdxMoBObcgjd0zdsQdB; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:04:33 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503284673; bh=rmSnWGITzMqqegfVtFv6u/2d9EQ4vbBARaxPLZo+46c=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WWenBeygguv5TioO+SX9NbT52YnKx5ckso/JrLEpNi+NheGtV+a4pifjn22mx8JzB UpOxeH6F+ghDGBHnfJfd+xvtWdCYm59e5Apwkw0W6frzRF/dP7+o7aSis9jxb6mRKJ xYXHHvtV2lKDGluroQxp6Pdgnvy9S7aDn+tiF20W8sSdnVzg0qPDkk1iMeP8LO+/pz ovwBdzS73lFNWo8ntvjutY/XPB6QKW12oZmzAQz8onHhEbvhB8JRgrPhwfpSdTTQVI 6zc5er7CPsmcc/N7paxXINZYM9S0lOOdycTwhTsbXu0/ZURZ7ViEhhEhCy7OmKRp2j W970My6csZ4Iw== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:380d:2340:1a77:91a4]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id jd0wdB2axVVkNjd0xdBAKP; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:04:32 +0000 From: To: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDF/IyaMvCBnw86Go5x/QMkUP55VAG5cn3QAawB5RMCEIpWLAJCLUJtpGqZxlA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFQEHQGq/cBkRD7uKPGO65RAtOAQB77FwvvQGCANbt9XnGLJ107jk+vtLGuwK/kmoHOZWHdhsdyMoOa0RW3j7U73IEOSUdy1JgXrAOgzfRTkaeDCZcEc NJ01EQ/0RG6P9XqiisAvuaHkrhBP4hhoHG8= X-Scan-Signature: b1e5ebccbad86c8ca1fd46d24f0285de Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12417 Thanks Joe, Lots of receivers listening. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Unofficial EclipseMob update: > > Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ 1-2 kW at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast totality. > Dixon frequency may wander slightly. > Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. > > Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA > > A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put to good use. > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Hi Jim et al. > > On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >> ... >> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... > > There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths from NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. > http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=40 > .7KHz > > Good luck to all EclipseMob members! > > 73 de df3lp, > Peter > > PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: > http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 05:21:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7L3LOrY010101 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:21:25 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djdDe-0007IY-Eo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:17:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djdDd-0007IP-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:17:37 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djdDZ-0008Ol-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:17:36 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jdDKdFPzM9W8vjdDVdlVFS; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:17:29 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503285449; bh=fWtrINjTPuRZePfYYx6Z0nATwO78kQXsH9o+DogyFKU=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b9pOcD99qT/uLdwSRG9fcrmPrGEQyNdAon/KjsReFaGiSPwKh5bI+KibLZa6SC9uK 2KgvVH07+nK2FZbISUIRLKLJYRvsIOZh+uEAA6Tvwkt8Pe0pc93Nt1Zgdjw06IDKAD btxJaIhKgf3exFNzmiCCegEXspHFK5QAsEXAknm2/oeQvkMjwB1mTk82D+ebK8ufvD IyE5TSsHF1ljpt8B8E8QWdL2gGxkXrrLwXj3RD9FpiMF5AHqZio76jXhcLu6KB1QPL xMQG6atoxcEat7W9HStr9H1zaSp38ODCvTyWb1+ciUzjiD3kdKyjEtsJtyDR7wqKh8 GgWSTnjQmg8nQ== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:380d:2340:1a77:91a4]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id jdDUdCo3FeaimjdDVd97Wa; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:17:29 +0000 From: To: References: <15dffdcf848-c0a-3698@webjas-vab031.srv.aolmail.net> <15e01234288-c03-3f1c@webjas-vaa133.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e01234288-c03-3f1c@webjas-vaa133.srv.aolmail.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <069001d31a2c$03420d60$09c62820$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQI2KWBKtaqQkOLMRnB7A61Kc+lg76HIAk7w Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFSFAlqKPrfgKXafnQpEvWFp92k3+t5mjeR52I6igis/1Kvw/YGTDHpRP5WVbkOtLcKvRj+RbFLYnieHWqxmja1n3+sq7bC3ZyGldlt+MK5Yin3zHPDl E3ICrr2nVIJ0YQVrVWmvWzL8c7/5f9ZLvgs= X-Scan-Signature: 1b85b97af56c2ce8b6be9bd6ca70127d Subject: RE: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0691_01D31A0A.7C321B10" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12418 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0691_01D31A0A.7C321B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice work! =20 73, =20 Jim AA5BW =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison =20 This test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on = 4470.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal is = about 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar today, but = I guess the effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB higher at DK7FC. Thus = propagation between Heidelberg and Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 = dB with reference to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, = given that a similar (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 = Hz had indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! I have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 = Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. = Hope that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an = improved calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. =20 Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in = 31 uHz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously = observed on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid = summation has since been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single = antennas). We can probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 = Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or = about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are = already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the = coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. = The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first = signal on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my = tree grabber: = http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety = function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the = transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So = now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 = Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections = and even EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more = voltage, more power, more more more! ------=_NextPart_000_0691_01D31A0A.7C321B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice work!

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus = Vester
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison

 

T= his test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on = 4470.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal = is about 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar = today, but I guess the effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB = higher at DK7FC. Thus propagation between Heidelberg and = Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 dB with reference = to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, given that a = similar (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 Hz had = indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain.

All the best,
Markus = (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung--
Von: Markus = Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: = rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I= have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier = on 4470.0025 Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into = 8 m effective height. Hope that it might also become visible on = DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved calibration reference = for propagation from Heidelberg.  

Best = 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: = rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

H= i Stefan,

this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up = on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 uHz: 
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl= 0ao_test.htm
The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar = to that previously observed on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain = of the synthetic cardioid summation has since been reduced by 6 dB to = make it equal to the single antennas).  We can probably hope = for improved SNR during the day.

Well done = again!

Best 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)   


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche = Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: = Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 = Hz!

=

.= ..Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC: =

H= ello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which = was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about = 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils = which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should = hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the = resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier = transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The antenna current is just 150 = mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 = km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is = the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As = usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my = tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF= _Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb = DK7FC:

T= he repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety = function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the = transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So = now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be = replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will = stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even = EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil = concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more = more!

------=_NextPart_000_0691_01D31A0A.7C321B10-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 09:43:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7L7h70I010711 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:43:09 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djhDW-0007Y5-R9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:33:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djhDW-0007Xw-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:33:46 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djhDT-0000VP-8m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:33:45 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 346AF20468 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xbQR61TYYz10Hm for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599A8CD1.3080805@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:33:37 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e01cd781e-5f7-26b60@webprd-a80.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 85c54099682e8e65d9e25bf804a68673 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010908040307030305020507" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12419 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010908040307030305020507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz. I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: *f = 4470.005000 Hz Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 60 s Characters: 5 CRC bits: 6 Coding 16K21A Duration: 14h56min Antenna current: 150 mA* (suggested optimum list length: 9) Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > > Anything on Pauls RX? > > So far, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif > > About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------010908040307030305020507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f = 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
--

--------------010908040307030305020507-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 14:29:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LCTBjb011105 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:29:13 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djlkZ-0007rN-Fq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:24:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djlkZ-0007rE-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:24:11 +0100 Received: from omr-a014e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djlkQ-0001Sn-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:24:09 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aag02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aag02.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.80]) by omr-a014e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 61C9E3800090 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aag02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DC78A38000081 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vaa115.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.33.118) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:23:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:23:55 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e04bfd9a1-c10-4ca0@webjas-vaa115.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <599A8CD1.3080805@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120154 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503318237; bh=VrJB50hWf5jsuoW/Mj3/K6X4FnqOiIiYYpRK/lmlCY0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LL8NLgR1nsgtA9CfyKQ4AXes01x8d4vKv1G5Rc9a3N+1CjgHIPTrCNmJ02PkydjpD 9lc35zu8r3C+/TY97B6M52/61d2Y67AthOCueX99A3MCfvL3o6cpGUfopkt8Ot3+wT DvVkyySiN5r0RfIaFZmiVATFGgHspoyMT4Ayo5ec= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7e50599ad0db2ce0 X-Scan-Signature: 1082ae4dd80117f31c5ce18873bed6d3 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_24102_2109300365.1503318235552" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12420 ------=_Part_24102_2109300365.1503318235552 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24101_354177728.1503318235552" ------=_Part_24101_354177728.1503318235552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tried a short message this morning (2 char 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:00.3 UT, = duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded instantly from the DL0AO W cardioi= d (attached), as well as the EW earth antenna with almost identical SNR.=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, = so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all beca= use now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between= 4...5 kHz. I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated = daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work wit= h 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: f =3D 4470.005000 Hz Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 60 s Characters: 5 CRC bits: 6 Coding 16K21A Duration: 14h56min Antenna current: 150 mA (suggested optimum list length: 9) Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 > Anything on Pauls RX?=20 So far,=20 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif=20 About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.=20 --=20 Paul Nicholson=20 -- ------=_Part_24101_354177728.1503318235552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tried a short message this morning (2 cha= r 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:00.3 UT, duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded = instantly from the DL0AO W cardioid (attached), as well as the EW= earth antenna with almost identical SNR. 

73, Markus (DF6NM)
PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-)&n= bsp; 


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7F= C <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35
Betreff: Re: VLF: C= arrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f =3D 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://= abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
--

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x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc10599ad1c50cee X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24353_180455441.1503318469181" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12421 ------=_Part_24353_180455441.1503318469181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Paul, wonder if my little carrier might have contributed some energy to the leftm= ost bin? I was on 4470.0025 Hz for about 9 hours from 13:07 to 22 UT. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Paul Nicholson An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 1:05 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! > Anything on Pauls RX? So far, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration. -- Paul Nicholson -- ------=_Part_24353_180455441.1503318469181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Paul,

wonder if my little carrier might h= ave contributed some energy to the leftmost bin? I was on 4470.0025 Hz= for about 9 hours from 13:07 to 22 UT.

Best 73,
Markus

--= ---Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Paul Nicholson <vlf0403@a= belian.org>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 1:05
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005= Hz!


> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

<= a href=3D"http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif" target=3D"_blank">http://= abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour int= egration.

--
Paul Nicholson
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------=_Part_24353_180455441.1503318469181-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 14:51:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LCpDln011153 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:51:14 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djm6w-00084h-SB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:47:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djm6w-00084Y-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:47:18 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djm6r-0001al-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:47:17 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8B1C20A31 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xbYNv1FKxz10HY for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599AD64B.4030708@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:47:07 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e04bfd9a1-c10-4ca0@webjas-vaa115.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e04bfd9a1-c10-4ca0@webjas-vaa115.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: 860e51ceecdf98b32e8eba101d9d472d Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040401030006000400050009" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12422 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040401030006000400050009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's cool Markus! What is the distance? Must be quite close to 50 km, right? Would it make sense to set up a 47 uHz or 31 uHz or whatever window looking for your signal? 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 14:23, schrieb Markus Vester: > Tried a short message this morning (2 char 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:00.3 > UT, duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded instantly from the DL0AO > W cardioid (attached), as well as the EW earth antenna with almost > identical SNR. > > 73, Markus (DF6NM) > > PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-) > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! > > Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, > > That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last > night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad > at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. > I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal > between 4...5 kHz. > I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be > repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it > could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: > > *f = 4470.005000 Hz > Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 60 s > Characters: 5 > CRC bits: 6 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 14h56min > Antenna current: 150 mA* > (suggested optimum list length: 9) > > Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > > > Anything on Pauls RX? > > So far, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif > > About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------040401030006000400050009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's cool Markus! What is the distance? Must be quite close to 50 km, right?
Would it make sense to set up a 47 uHz or 31 uHz or whatever window looking for your signal?

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 14:23, schrieb Markus Vester:
Tried a short message this morning (2 char 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:00.3 UT, duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded instantly from the DL0AO W cardioid (attached), as well as the EW earth antenna with almost identical SNR. 

73, Markus (DF6NM)

PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-)  


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f = 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
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--------------040401030006000400050009-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 14:57:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LCvmGG011171 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:57:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djmDP-0008Az-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:53:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djmDP-0008Aq-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:53:59 +0100 Received: from omr-m018e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djmDI-0001eO-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:53:57 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.100]) by omr-m018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 8CEDA3800040 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aaf02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 49BB638000081 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vab238.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.241) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:53:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:53:50 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e04db3b5a-c05-4e12@webjas-vab238.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e04da1bc1-c03-90c@webjas-vad055.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503320030; bh=TueupcvhrFIWZKBp/aOSilkEGdW33fSAG/BpyK7TCkA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ygcPeeAdNxbHMI4tdRNylMo5igvDA42FBq7l8CGft8jVUOYGk6KUYMSiRWdEy9JWH UN9lwP1VE0Mzlg0Af9xzUvaseIEDi/SggDhiiDC1HJL60e3rZjB2a3RiN1+BCREcQA sk8lao9vW0lwk0/xf2WxxD7srs9Eiv982C2JMCSI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7f64599ad7de2a32 X-Scan-Signature: 14522a7d8bfffcae5e92e35059f18ae1 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24603_646063697.1503320030041" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12423 ------=_Part_24603_646063697.1503320030041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comparing the peaks again in 31 uHz after 9 hours of carrier accumulation, = it looks like the level difference was only 7 to 8 dB, implying that the st= ated 2 dB propagation loss over 1/r is probably not true. The main source o= f error is the noise floor which is causing a significant uncertainty for a= mplitude measurements: Even for peak with 14 dB SNR ("five-sigma"), the sta= ndard deviation for the magnitude due to the in-phase noise component would= be 1/5/sqrt(2) =3D 0.14, implying an uncertainty range of -3 to +2 dB at 9= 5% confidence.=20 I also have some doubt now about my earlier result of +5.5 dB gain on 3675 = Hz, which was based on a 8270 Hz reference, more than an octave away. The l= evel of Stefan's peaks on 4470 and 3675 seemed to be quite similar, implyin= g that the difference between path losses would not be more than the ~ 2 dB= ERP difference.=20 Jim, any results yet from FDTD simulations of the 226 km W-E path? 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 21:34 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison This test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on 447= 0.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal is about = 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar today, but I guess t= he effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB higher at DK7FC. Thus propagation= between Heidelberg and Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 dB with refer= ence to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, given that a similar= (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 Hz had indicated a +5.5 = dB ionospheric gain. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! I have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 Hz= since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. Hope = that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved= calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. =20 Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 u= Hz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously observed = on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid summation has si= nce been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single antennas). We can = probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 H= z. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 = km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the co= il to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The = antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal= on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tr= ee grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber= 2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety functi= on tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i= can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is anothe= r one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 H= z will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and ev= en EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more volt= age, more power, more more more! ------=_Part_24603_646063697.1503320030041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Comparing the peaks again in 31 uHz after 9 hours o= f carrier accumulation, it looks like the level difference was only 7 = to 8 dB, implying that the stated 2 dB propagation loss over 1/r is pr= obably not true. The main source of error is the noise floor which is&= nbsp;causing a significant uncertainty for amplitude measurements= : Even for peak with 14 dB SNR ("five-sigma"), the standard deviation = for the magnitude due to the in-phase noise component would be 1/= 5/sqrt(2) =3D 0.14, implying an uncertainty range of -3 to +2 dB = at 95% confidence. 

I also have some doubt now about= my earlier result of +5.5 dB gain on 3675 Hz, which was based on=  a 8270 Hz reference, more than an octave away. The level of= Stefan's peaks on 4470 and 3675 seemed to be quite similar, implying that = the difference between path losses would not be more than the ~ 2= dB ERP difference. 

Jim, any results yet from FDTD simula= tions of the 226 km W-E path?

73, Markus (DF6NM)
  &nbs= p; 


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus= Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 21= :34
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison=

This test is= going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on 4470.005 and 44= 70.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal is about 10 dB s= tronger there. Our antenna currents are similar today, but I guess the = ;effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB higher at DK7FC. Thus propagation&n= bsp;between Heidelberg and Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 = dB with reference to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprisin= g, given that a similar (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 H= z had indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain.

All the best,
Markus = (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung--
Von: Markus Vest= er <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20.= Aug 2017 15:37
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

I ha= ve managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4= 470.0025 Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effecti= ve height. Hope that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhap= s provide an improved calibration reference for propagation from Heide= lberg.  

Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngl= iche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol= .com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11
Betreff: Re: VL= F: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Stefan,

this morning, an unambiguous peak has come = up on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 uHz: 
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_d= l0ao_test.htm
The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to= that previously observed on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the= synthetic cardioid summation has since been reduced by 6 dB to make it equ= al to the single antennas).  We can probably hope for improved SN= R during the day.

Well done again!

Best 73,
Markus (D= F6NM)   


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_= lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Ver= schickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz= !

...Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 Hello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz= . The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heid= elberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more more!
------=_Part_24603_646063697.1503320030041-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 15:11:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LDBJUc011196 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:11:20 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djmPX-0008Hx-5f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:06:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djmPW-0008Ho-OQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:06:30 +0100 Received: from omr-m002e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djmPS-0001id-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:06:29 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.228]) by omr-m002e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 84CBF38000B1 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C1E538000085 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vab234.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.237) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:06:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:06:24 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e04e6b806-c06-9f4@webjas-vab234.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <599AD64B.4030708@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503320784; bh=Crpk6Wf8EQbI/9CYbZjx1Cp3ZBNa/7OpSvDbO2ONFps=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lkcwh8/aaDpuFE+Ha56LR4bNlZNtartSAWWiJ8F3R+CrVrT8Xoj7g39oKNbKq8iyA VYMTedmMcaJK0t4+7LQIYIBeZD3Cfx+a61wULAQEi8pge/OWXxYJk9xTMLNOah0Y0v 6WmepjxAilZOaOiGnz8WlICCCFogvlxKN4ZbepjM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b02e4599adad03889 X-Scan-Signature: fa743f59d022704fe4104ed922c6083c Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2636_697734254.1503320782854" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12424 ------=_Part_2636_697734254.1503320782854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470, = albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won'= t be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 14:48 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test That's cool Markus! What is the distance? Must be quite close to 50 km, rig= ht? Would it make sense to set up a 47 uHz or 31 uHz or whatever window lookin= g for your signal? 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 14:23, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Tried a short message this morning (2 char 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:00.3 UT, = duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded instantly from the DL0AO W cardioi= d (attached), as well as the EW earth antenna with almost identical SNR.=20 73, Markus (DF6NM) PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, = so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all beca= use now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between= 4...5 kHz. I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated = daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work wit= h 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: f =3D 4470.005000 Hz Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 60 s Characters: 5 CRC bits: 6 Coding 16K21A Duration: 14h56min Antenna current: 150 mA (suggested optimum list length: 9) Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 > Anything on Pauls RX?=20 So far,=20 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif=20 About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.=20 --=20 Paul Nicholson=20 -- ------=_Part_2636_697734254.1503320782854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km= .

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibl= y receive my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 = dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmi= ssions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr= =C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>=
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: M= o, 21. Aug 2017 14:48
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut= test

That's cool Markus! What is the distance? Must be quite close to 50 km, right?
Would it make sense to set up a 47 uHz or 31 uHz or whatever window looking for your signal?

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 14:23, schrieb Markus Vester:
Tried a short message this morning (2 char 8K19A, 10s, start 5:00:= 00.3 UT, duration 1 hour + 80 sec), which decoded instantly from the DL0AO= W cardioid (attached), as well as the EW earth antenna with almost identical SNR. 

73, Markus (DF6NM)

PS: 59 on VLF - really? Just a birthday greeting to myself ;-) &n= bsp;


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberd= enken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group
Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f =3D 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
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------=_Part_2636_697734254.1503320782854-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 16:27:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LEQqxa011369 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:26:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djnaC-0008RY-Nh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:21:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djnaC-0008RP-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:21:36 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djna5-0001ya-UW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:21:34 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jnYZdFxZ39W8vjna0dmFpN; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:21:24 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503325284; bh=UyvHHPDtP3CfMGUkxz0Qd/CB/7xGBuFEvWqLHnHBLno=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=QcTsk5E4LbGhNi5L4/wTDm5te/T11ERnqXSG2Og3NuG+eBc4z9v58w5t6Jmt/kpBO MTXxe2QsqBpBd0+XZtijuS7clMwsBGENHBzhlomTKRoDwCnPZkJRhLvDkxo/jtJfG9 rIgIxl3YfDY2GKBtJ7EeBlgMRfe2n6rqCWoXq5NJZwM8xc0vttGQ4Ar7ZhDE5o9mOS hv/cZtKu+fBjr0WYF9tUzIJ9np4MuCzP2iYUf82rtaTZK5ryYe0d5UryWu2FeRct+D a8OOcvCeLb0Vffu6ClsNHaIyXa72R4w+hwFlAxIKaDqPAsG3wuphd+TlCUf1WrGI0Q acHnHN9m9yFcw== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:380d:2340:1a77:91a4]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id jnZydKy6Y13A8jnZzdmf2t; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 14:21:23 +0000 From: To: References: <15e04da1bc1-c03-90c@webjas-vad055.srv.aolmail.net> <15e04db3b5a-c05-4e12@webjas-vab238.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e04db3b5a-c05-4e12@webjas-vab238.srv.aolmail.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <070701d31a88$c40d5980$4c280c80$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJgATLXltGhdT8+/hLOO+M3VhY6k6F1DGKw Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNytgiVNQZMWnDBQ9VFMJlnLt95IC4mKBhuMz3e7O87KYH7PZwvTXcGAJVI3NN/fm24l9QRnYn25V3Oicz4lz3TTHuUU862xwUojKWFggYmjL6wxJ4z3 GIllVjQDiXfRGx+XaIeb1sw5fR0z1kgooRE= X-Scan-Signature: 50abd45de4f0c3e2f43f634f1225d940 Subject: RE: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0708_01D31A67.3CFE2A80" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12425 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0708_01D31A67.3CFE2A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus, =20 The FDTD analysis has been held up by the eclipse preparations = (phase-stable VLF/LF transmitters and receivers). Back to normal = tomorrow, and the FDTD diurnal should be done early next week. The = dual-path data points by Stefan and yourself at 4470 Hz, and their = relationship to your 3675 Hz and 8270 Hz data make me very eager for the = FDTD results. =20 73, =20 Jim AA5BW =20 =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:54 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison =20 Comparing the peaks again in 31 uHz after 9 hours of carrier = accumulation, it looks like the level difference was only 7 to 8 dB, = implying that the stated 2 dB propagation loss over 1/r is probably not = true. The main source of error is the noise floor which is causing a = significant uncertainty for amplitude measurements: Even for peak with = 14 dB SNR ("five-sigma"), the standard deviation for the magnitude due = to the in-phase noise component would be 1/5/sqrt(2) =3D 0.14, implying = an uncertainty range of -3 to +2 dB at 95% confidence.=20 I also have some doubt now about my earlier result of +5.5 dB gain on = 3675 Hz, which was based on a 8270 Hz reference, more than an octave = away. The level of Stefan's peaks on 4470 and 3675 seemed to be quite = similar, implying that the difference between path losses would not be = more than the ~ 2 dB ERP difference.=20 Jim, any results yet from FDTD simulations of the 226 km W-E path? 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 21:34 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison This test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on = 4470.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal is = about 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar today, but = I guess the effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB higher at DK7FC. Thus = propagation between Heidelberg and Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 = dB with reference to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, = given that a similar (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 = Hz had indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain. All the best, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-- Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! I have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier on 4470.0025 = Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into 8 m effective height. = Hope that it might also become visible on DL0AO, and perhaps provide an = improved calibration reference for propagation from Heidelberg. =20 Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up on the DL0AO cardioid in = 31 uHz:=20 http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl0ao_test.htm The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar to that previously = observed on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain of the synthetic cardioid = summation has since been reduced by 6 dB to make it equal to the single = antennas). We can probably hope for improved SNR during the day. Well done again! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! ...Rather 5 uW. Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC:=20 Hello VLF,=20 I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which was used for 2970 = Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about 1000 turns, or = about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils which are = already planned. Now, the remaining 4 stacks should hold at least 15 kV. I connected the = coil to the antenna and found the resonance close to 4470 Hz.=20 Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier transmission on 4470.005 Hz. = The antenna current is just 150 mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first = signal on the 67 km band from here :-) Let's see how long it holds until there is the next fault :-/ Reports/Spectrograms welcome... As usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my = tree grabber: = http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html 73, Stefan Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 The repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety = function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the = transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So = now there is another one which has a flash over! :-( It must be replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 = Hz will stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections = and even EbNaut decodes. I need to think about a different coil concept.... More current, more = voltage, more power, more more more! ------=_NextPart_000_0708_01D31A67.3CFE2A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Markus,

 

The FDTD analysis has been held up by the eclipse preparations = (phase-stable VLF/LF transmitters and receivers). Back to normal = tomorrow, and the FDTD diurnal should be done early next week. The = dual-path data points by Stefan and yourself at 4470 Hz, and their = relationship to your 3675 Hz and 8270 Hz data make me very eager for the = FDTD results.

 

73,

 

Jim AA5BW =C2=A0

 

From:= = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus = Vester
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:54 AM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on = 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength comparison

 

C= omparing the peaks again in 31 uHz after 9 hours of carrier = accumulation, it looks like the level difference was only 7 to 8 = dB, implying that the stated 2 dB propagation loss over 1/r is = probably not true. The main source of error is the noise floor = which is causing a significant uncertainty for amplitude = measurements: Even for peak with 14 dB SNR ("five-sigma"), = the standard deviation for the magnitude due to the in-phase = noise component would be 1/5/sqrt(2) =3D 0.14, implying an = uncertainty range of -3 to +2 dB at 95% = confidence. 

I also have some doubt now about my = earlier result of +5.5 dB gain on 3675 Hz, which was based = on a 8270 Hz reference, more than an octave away. The = level of Stefan's peaks on 4470 and 3675 seemed to be quite similar, = implying that the difference between path losses would not be = more than the ~ 2 dB ERP difference. 

Jim, any results yet = from FDTD simulations of the 226 km W-E path?

73, Markus = (DF6NM)
    


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche = Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: = rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt: So, 20. Aug 2017 21:34
Betreff: Re: VLF: = Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - fieldstrength = comparison

T= his test is going surprisingly well. producing beautiful twin peaks on = 4470.005 and 4470.0025 on the DL0AO grabber. It looks like my signal = is about 10 dB stronger there. Our antenna currents are similar = today, but I guess the effective height and ERP are 5 to 6 dB = higher at DK7FC. Thus propagation between Heidelberg and = Amberg would be 13.5 - 5.5 -10 =3D -2 dB with reference = to groundwave alone. This is somewhat surprising, given that a = similar (but probably less reliable) calculation for 3675 Hz had = indicated a +5.5 dB ionospheric gain.

All the best,
Markus = (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung--
Von: Markus = Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: = So, 20. Aug 2017 15:37
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 = Hz!

=

I= have managed to resonate my antenna and started a carrier = on 4470.0025 Hz since 13:07 UT. Antenna current is 0.16 A into = 8 m effective height. Hope that it might also become visible on = DL0AO, and perhaps provide an improved calibration reference = for propagation from Heidelberg.  

Best = 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: = So, 20. Aug 2017 11:11
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 = Hz!

H= i Stefan,

this morning, an unambiguous peak has come up = on the DL0AO cardioid in 31 uHz: 
http://df6nm.bplaced.net/dl0ao/VLFgrabber/vlfgrabber_dl= 0ao_test.htm
The signal level (-140 dB) seems to be similar = to that previously observed on 3675 Hz (noting that the gain = of the synthetic cardioid summation has since been reduced by 6 dB to = make it equal to the single antennas).  We can probably hope = for improved SNR during the day.

Well done = again!

Best 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)   


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche = Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: = Sa, 19. Aug 2017 15:01
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 = Hz!

.= ..Rather 5 uW.

Am 19.08.2017 14:28, schrieb DK7FC: =

H= ello VLF,

I un-wound the defective stack of the large coil which = was used for 2970 Hz. It took about 4 hours to carefully unwound about = 1000 turns, or about 1 km of wire. The wire will be used for new coils = which are already planned.

Now, the remaining 4 stacks should = hold at least 15 kV. I connected the coil to the antenna and found the = resonance close to 4470 Hz.
Now i'm running (since 12 UTC) a carrier = transmission on 4470.005 Hz. The antenna current is just 150 = mA. That's an ERP of about 3 uW. A first signal on the 67 = km band from here :-)
Let's see how long it holds until there is = the next fault :-/

Reports/Spectrograms welcome...

As = usual there is a monitoring of the signal in 3.5 km distance from my = tree grabber: http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF= _Grabber2.html

73, Stefan

Am 13.08.2017 22:17, schrieb = DK7FC:

T= he repetition of yesterdays message failed. At 15:38 UTC the safety = function tripped. I've just been on the roof, when re-starting the = transmission i can see a spark in the center of one of the stacks. So = now there is another one which has a flash over! :-(
It must be = replaced, which is a lot of work. So the tranmissions on 3675 Hz will = stopp for some time. At least we have some carrier detections and even = EbNaut decodes.

I need to think about a different coil = concept.... More current, more voltage, more power, more more = more!

------=_NextPart_000_0708_01D31A67.3CFE2A80-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 18:58:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LGwF51011744 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:17 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djpsT-0000BE-Bx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:48:37 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djpsS-0000B5-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:48:36 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djpsP-0002JO-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:48:35 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5ozTBVjp4LqOq2urqpNBbcR2IOYPbsH/mE5eK9NYPKk=; b=A3L6nnXFe0SHziI/kaS2iBTMtU IxdmF/HHRDjblMJfyrQrms/03ozMFJkp9KeosA/8LmNtp+p7dKY8FWhgCJhdo71VzN0n2L8rZqHr5 +OqWQZQtfwepFemjGoM634fKBdb7uh2ZmaXcuRJLmuxeyWlTKmFFbsCEsPXvZKbZppzM=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:37241 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djpsN-0005tj-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 17:48:31 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3B640002B for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e04c36a3d-c04-4d48@webjas-vab154.srv.aolmail.net> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 16:48:30 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15e04c36a3d-c04-4d48@webjas-vab154.srv.aolmail.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12426 Markus wrote: > wonder if my little carrier might have contributed > some energy to the leftmost bin? Nothing showing above noise, 13:10 to 22:00 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821a.gif Stefan wrote: > That's already a nice peak! It looks interesting, although only about 3.5 sigma, needs a bit more work. > f = 4470.005000 Hz > Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 60 s > Characters: 5 > CRC bits: 6 > Coding 16K21A With this transmission, the optimum decoder list length will be about 40 for a full phase search, or about 120 if you decide the phase is constant enough to restrict the search to uniform phases. The chance of successful decode will then be about 60% at Eb/N0 of -1.0 dB. It doesn't do any harm to use a longer list than optimum, but there is no further coding gain. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 21 22:20:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7LKKIPl012175 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 22:20:19 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1djt6Q-0000Ol-3L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:15:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1djt6P-0000Oc-MC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:15:13 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djt6M-0002lG-Io for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:15:12 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Reply-To:Subject:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cJr4JSMKW6b3PHk6K8RgHerMfl/IeUqgyLL8RStRC9E=; b=DnqQ4VZs/n/o+L6V8oGZVZTNyI kD43QWqIFFg52NWM4w7PXNBkokNH6xdYO4tIR6Bb1Cgp/M7eWy/G74vS0h22gd91oBrHEuOUpcWcO Xdl3hQzViQHz9nCgDimCujwtvkg9UyyY+OyrCupdFhUIYtcalJwsjSWAB6iUXUMtODws=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:38110 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1djt6L-0004F4-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:15:09 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9B540002B for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) References: <15e04c36a3d-c04-4d48@webjas-vab154.srv.aolmail.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <18aeaf02-9dc1-b5b9-75ca-cda86d9d9395@abelian.org> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:15:09 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: cc2e5baae40f8f7a09b47e6877ef0bfb Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12427 Two days stacked, 20th+21st 07:00 to 19:00. http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821b.gif 12.5 dB in 23.1 uHz, a little over 4 sigma. At this S/N the EbNaut would come in just below -1 dB, worth a try. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 22 10:40:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7M8euVc013897 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:40:57 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dk4Z8-00011g-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:29:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dk4Z8-00011X-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:29:38 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dk4Z4-0004Dc-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:29:37 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69791208A7 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xc3d65np6z10HW for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599BEB67.2010204@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:29:27 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e04c36a3d-c04-4d48@webjas-vab154.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 7c7a1907d3a7d57b28660e5fb4c32107 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030307050009040801020400" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12428 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030307050009040801020400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, VLF, Am 21.08.2017 18:48, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > > f = 4470.005000 Hz > > Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC > > Symbol period: 60 s > > Characters: 5 > > CRC bits: 6 > > Coding 16K21A > > With this transmission, the optimum decoder list length will > be about 40 for a full phase search, or about 120 if you > decide the phase is constant enough to restrict the search > to uniform phases. Hahaa you changed the calculator website now! ;-) I just wanted to reproduce the settings, http://abelian.org/ebnaut/calc.php?sndb=16&snbws=0.000031&snmps=&code=16K21&sp=60&crc=6&nc=5&submit=Calculate and now i saw other values and two lines describing the optimum list length more detailed. That is helpful. In my EbNaut decode attempts i used a larger list length than recommended in the past but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will lead to many false decodes if the optimum length would be 9 actually. This can be problematic when using 2...3 characters. All right now. Am 21.08.2017 22:15, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Two days stacked, 20th+21st 07:00 to 19:00. > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821b.gif > > 12.5 dB in 23.1 uHz, a little over 4 sigma. Wow, that peak is so nice and sharp that i decided to run the carrier for another day so you can stack 3 days. *The EbNaut message will then start tomorrow 04:00:00.3 UTC.* 73, Stefan --------------030307050009040801020400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul, VLF,

Am 21.08.2017 18:48, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> f = 4470.005000 Hz
> Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
> Symbol period: 60 s
> Characters: 5
> CRC bits: 6
> Coding 16K21A

With this transmission, the optimum decoder list length will
be about 40 for a full phase search, or about 120 if you
decide the phase is constant enough to restrict the search
to uniform phases.

Hahaa you changed the calculator website now! ;-) I just wanted to reproduce the settings, http://abelian.org/ebnaut/calc.php?sndb=16&snbws=0.000031&snmps=&code=16K21&sp=60&crc=6&nc=5&submit=Calculate
and now i saw other values and two lines describing the optimum list length more detailed. That is helpful.
In my EbNaut decode attempts i used a larger list length than recommended in the past but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will lead to many false decodes if the optimum length would be 9 actually. This can be problematic when using 2...3 characters.

All right now.

Am 21.08.2017 22:15, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Two days stacked, 20th+21st 07:00 to 19:00.

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821b.gif

12.5 dB in 23.1 uHz, a little over 4 sigma.

Wow, that peak is so nice and sharp that i decided to run the carrier for another day so you can stack 3 days. The EbNaut message will then start tomorrow 04:00:00.3 UTC.


73, Stefan
--------------030307050009040801020400-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 22 11:44:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7M9hmgU014159 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:43:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5ec-0001CH-GC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:39:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5eb-0001C8-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:39:21 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dk5eX-0004Xj-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:39:20 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7M9d8tA001009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:09:10 -0230 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 07:09:08 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: b8b011f938af8abc4b241335cabd0691 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12429 My pleasure, Jim. The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Thanks Joe, > > Lots of receivers listening. > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the 10x100m RL > for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >> >> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ 1-2 kW > at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, > broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast > totality. >> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >> >> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA >> >> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from W4DEX > might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put to good > use. >> >> 73, >> >> Jim AA5BW >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> Hi Jim et al. >> >> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>> ... >>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >> >> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths from > NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the C-flare > from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=40 >> .7KHz >> >> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >> >> 73 de df3lp, >> Peter >> >> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 22 11:47:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7M9lCPO014171 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:47:13 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5in-0001Gg-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:43:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5im-0001GV-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:43:40 +0100 Received: from omr-m006e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dk5ii-0004Zw-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:43:39 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.143]) by omr-m006e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1BDB338000AF for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acb02c.mail.aol.com (core-acb02.mail.aol.com [172.27.24.2]) by mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B1C0738000081 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80.146.228.119 by webjas-vab180.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.183) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 05:43:32 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e09535bd5-c06-71a5@webjas-vab180.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <599BEB67.2010204@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [80.146.228.119] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503395013; bh=PtVZ6fr5XRNBLBDjcDlEI5pZPPUpcVFxlMd0/Fvo+Kg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J4RWG+WeA8cTTUJnt9/JQXOm26hhj2h9ERhKniY2vm9/VuaQi5CK5IIPVCgEyddUc 0UZH5gu6BTZk1A5h6PfiaL3K4qPizlOTdXkR26lhrbjxLMm5rFr3c2NOG1BPTy8x+S 5waoJBkQbdsDUdPmclzcRs4H0v1UVjev3anQBdTQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b018f599bfcc41029 X-Scan-Signature: 3efbf4053c1a70bbeb6c0a0cc657f05e Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35843_234325914.1503395011541" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12430 ------=_Part_35843_234325914.1503395011541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will lead to many false decod= es if the optimum length would be 9 actually Yes maybe, but couldn't I just decide a posteriori to ignore any decodes wi= th rank numbers greater than 9? Can a false decode prevent the appearance o= f a better-ranked correct one? Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 22. Aug 2017 10:32 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Paul, VLF, Am 21.08.2017 18:48, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 > f =3D 4470.005000 Hz=20 > Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC=20 > Symbol period: 60 s=20 > Characters: 5=20 > CRC bits: 6=20 > Coding 16K21A=20 With this transmission, the optimum decoder list length will=20 be about 40 for a full phase search, or about 120 if you=20 decide the phase is constant enough to restrict the search=20 to uniform phases.=20 Hahaa you changed the calculator website now! ;-) I just wanted to reprodu= ce the settings, http://abelian.org/ebnaut/calc.php?sndb=3D16&snbws=3D0.000= 031&snmps=3D&code=3D16K21&sp=3D60&crc=3D6&nc=3D5&submit=3DCalculate and now i saw other values and two lines describing the optimum list lengt= h more detailed. That is helpful. In my EbNaut decode attempts i used a larger list length than recommended = in the past but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will lead to many f= alse decodes if the optimum length would be 9 actually. This can be problem= atic when using 2...3 characters. All right now. Am 21.08.2017 22:15, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 Two days stacked, 20th+21st 07:00 to 19:00.=20 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821b.gif=20 12.5 dB in 23.1 uHz, a little over 4 sigma.=20 Wow, that peak is so nice and sharp that i decided to run the carrier for a= nother day so you can stack 3 days. The EbNaut message will then start tomo= rrow 04:00:00.3 UTC. 73, Stefan ------=_Part_35843_234325914.1503395011541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will le= ad to many false decodes if the optimum length would be 9 actually

Y= es maybe, but couldn't I just decide a posteriori to ignore any decode= s with rank numbers greater than 9? Can a false de= code prevent the appearance of a better-ranked correct one?

Bes= t 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7= FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 22. Aug 2017 10:32
Betreff: Re: VLF:= Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, VLF,

Am 21.08.2017 18:48, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> f =3D 4470.005000 Hz
> Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
> Symbol period: 60 s
> Characters: 5
> CRC bits: 6
> Coding 16K21A

With this transmission, the optimum decoder list length will
be about 40 for a full phase search, or about 120 if you
decide the phase is constant enough to restrict the search
to uniform phases.

Hahaa you changed the calculator website now! ;-) I just wanted to reproduce the settings, http://abelian.org/ebnaut/calc.php?sndb=3D16&= ;snbws=3D0.000031&snmps=3D&code=3D16K21&sp=3D60&crc=3D6&= ;nc=3D5&submit=3DCalculate
and now i saw other values and two lines describing the optimum list length more detailed. That is helpful.
In my EbNaut decode attempts i used a larger list length than recommended in the past but Markus alsways seems to use 20000 which will lead to many false decodes if the optimum length would be 9 actually. This can be problematic when using 2...3 characters.

All right now.

Am 21.08.2017 22:15, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Two days stacked, 20th+21st 07:00 to 19:00.

 http://= abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170821b.gif

12.5 dB in 23.1 uHz, a little over 4 sigma.

Wow, that peak is so nice and sharp that i decided to run the carrier for another day so you can stack 3 days. The EbNaut message will then start tomorrow 04:00:00.3 UTC.


73, Stefan
------=_Part_35843_234325914.1503395011541-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 22 11:59:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7M9xlfA014211 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:59:49 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5up-0001Oc-Qc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:56:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dk5up-0001OT-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:56:07 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dk5um-0004ez-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:56:06 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ojRnQjSBQsNz2JB432zQptZwXNDx6pa4EUcvG/5hvTs=; b=m86xtFxgG34OSLeCeijpV+MukD 2BpI3GpBE329gvjPuNEwshsJfbHESSO16EIZdP8IZTBkkwEldb//do8T/zUNR4a9ZN57YGdNpphaE AUQfmJwkenIqpfNt5Lxm0L/kg2l5gTluq1vulLSew5rURpZDnpHnqHOVHh2QCEcXJeKg=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:41922 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dk5uk-00089x-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:56:02 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D557B40024F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:56:01 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e04c36a3d-c04-4d48@webjas-vab154.srv.aolmail.net> <599BEB67.2010204@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:56:01 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <599BEB67.2010204@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12431 Stefan wrote: > Hahaa you changed the calculator website now! ;-) Yes. There are many subtleties to choice of CRC size and decoder list length. I've been working on some notes to clarify this complex issue. Only half finished but I'll post the link here, by way of a preview http://abelian.org/ebnaut/ops.shtml The 'optimum list length' will maximise the message success rate, but you will almost always either get the correct decode, or a false decode. If it is important to reduce false decodes, then you must use a shorter than optimum list and suffer a loss of success rate. > i decided to run the carrier for another day so you can > stack 3 days. Ok, that will probably bring it to 5 sigma. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 23 20:25:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7NIPZcC018553 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:25:40 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkQdO-0002YW-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:03:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkQdN-0002YN-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:03:29 +0100 Received: from rgout0406.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.219] helo=rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkQdK-0008Qj-Iq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:03:28 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=btopenworld.com Result=Signature OK X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.150.251.154 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: ganymede444@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.23.74216:17:7.944,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __MSGID_COMMENT, __HAS_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __IN_REP_TO, __FRAUD_SUBJ_ALLCAPS, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_MAILER, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __AVAST_URI_ONLY, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODY_SIZE_600_699, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, IN_REP_TO, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, URI_WITH_PATH_ONLY Received: from fluffy (86.150.251.154) by rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as ganymede444@btopenworld.com) id 58482DA21ADAA296 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:03:24 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1503475406; bh=s+1s9UDYCAH+MEqAK1S9vKZa343Knz0qbDC012/PGO0=; h=Message-ID:From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=e7sK7i2ip7+BUE/E07aXgUV+7ELvN5sFY9Uvz2oudftvJntsEGMUaqmIY/LsWyp9tFwSmWvyoLzgbjXEEGB1Y49Cyqc/G0IWREhDWAh04go1hEGqwDKx+vXDZDUigBXr2AKcMPVEXQynmH15t8EaaxQN+7AxhaF45HD7keq9860= Message-ID: <58482DA21ADAA296@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) From: "Dave " To: In-Reply-To: <3b0a8c4a-0958-564d-8cc9-15116713b85a@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:03:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AdMU4CYzwUdo0nYCR6yGauD+eqmQEQHBUPog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V10.0.10011.16384 X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170822-4, 22/08/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: LF: GM3YXM... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12432 Dave, LF, GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm square tuned loop. 0142 -26 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0202 -21 -1.1 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0210 -21 -1.2 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0220 -21 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0226 -23 -1.3 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 73, Dave G3WCB IO8EI South Devon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 23 20:25:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7NIPZcB018553 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:25:37 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkYn0-000373-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:45:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkYmz-00036u-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:45:57 +0100 Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkYmw-0001jT-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:45:56 +0100 Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id 130so3772806qkg.2 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=v6Hm63PV7GnJx+06LHqoIkpjqSbwtkpy39dDjAIXnUs=; b=XvavyPPS8yhgjJpD/XJ7jUOn745DE/M+nUiaQyDOzaN2cI3zgnwJcukVJad8jEJclb FNWBXP/JjdAYxHQTwoZq3LPt/f+envm8OoODrijR8WnMM6gH5y9rbYOjYf8B70tfUcNH jpZ9j8O2EqRg96k+ZXLOkfwCjLr7B4Ay1/DE6r/5xx+jP97R3cMemY2ryr4Q8nHNKGLw BFTUlY30J0uJpKpiTQYnmqC7ymTlufEUY2+oz2is3gH76kSyLI7jdkKsITafVKMK16+T Gzz36ZyQ9nMcs09OKxQHmPdVJod/O/36ZDyTcglqEb0ejPW+tv4J6/LHy1FjlhNWS1ip nTjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=v6Hm63PV7GnJx+06LHqoIkpjqSbwtkpy39dDjAIXnUs=; b=hcLb0BzgRP3gcrcm5EBLzU0TiCaPRtSufraXBF4dcAjr4bpff0X4UxpjzZEF5HCKkC GOcy6unLQBlNCeR+Pp0aVOMM0t1IvKfXDQy2pf/dWq2lwFfOZQofpdS2u3BdHQ6+nNQb /bbBewMDG7fX9Waqmgz66V3X4MJTCi+TwKxUE2o61tX3m4/JPgxXl7MCoZcT/gG72fRZ 6rUIbQUBaZdc9UC51Q4d6xKVP6or71fnDvw0SUtqspg/AeJXTRc+ZVlrsUrF3MLezQYN cbG8vK73ofc6kG50zD6Jc+BWM/tJkvX0xShZ5ISjF4zx322KktJZtG8y+kNT9OlagWHL 6RSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hMczBORDtfIch0S82ss9Ml+CMs++hsT7O60XlnMlQVmYrduKVh TS/cSFU6jeUDwzdEB7W+LCOxpCJ2bA== X-Received: by 10.55.93.67 with SMTP id r64mr4435590qkb.194.1503506752546; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.42.76 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <599d38ce.d0c5df0a.915bc.5de3SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <3b0a8c4a-0958-564d-8cc9-15116713b85a@gmail.com> <599d38ce.d0c5df0a.915bc.5de3SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:45:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: 39d0aa3a8a50eef73e9de70bcfcadb32 Subject: Re: LF: GM3YXM... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114e4850e72e1d05576e71b4" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12433 --001a114e4850e72e1d05576e71b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Dave, Your QTH locator is wrong (missing a number). Just wondering where you are now. I originally came from Salcombe. Back on 472kHz WSPR soon. 73s Roger G3XBM JO02dg On 23 August 2017 at 09:03, Dave wrote: > Dave, LF, > GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm > square tuned loop. > > > 0142 -26 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0202 -21 -1.1 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0210 -21 -1.2 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0220 -21 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0226 -23 -1.3 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > > 73, Dave G3WCB > IO8EI South Devon > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > --001a114e4850e72e1d05576e71b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,

Your QTH locator is= wrong (missing a number). Just wondering where you are now. I originally c= ame from Salcombe.

Back on 472kHz WSPR soon.
=

73s
Roger G3XBM=C2=A0
JO02dg

On 23 August 2= 017 at 09:03, Dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> w= rote:
Dave, LF,
GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm=
square tuned loop.


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0226=C2=A0 -23=C2=A0 -1.3=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.475715=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0= GM3YXM=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IO75=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A027=C2=A0 =C2=A0 5= 82

73, Dave G3WCB
IO8EI South Devon





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--001a114e4850e72e1d05576e71b4-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 23 20:25:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7NIPou3018563 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:25:51 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkYlu-00036o-O7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:44:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkYlt-00036f-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:44:49 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkYlp-0001j6-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id kYlbdlB6CNllOkYlkdvsz0; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:44:40 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503506680; bh=CYIEfzOvF5nP6EBDDvZ7LJmmJvs2regZBO8r/skms0A=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jNKBr+rDOfVoLQtnifhjoSkvumPRs+40b03pADCe+SEBzlz6tktAyBnZ8EACaN2JI 4rTJ7ecjwuL52VvtFgRd+p0lKlP9UANiKG4T+hobOVs36jpli9HBGCl4On3F7vwYrr GBr9AR4a4qAmiDTIiBV7ypp5Sz+GbCf63uy5eNvrfi99Fh6ha9HTg6MR9Q0XLwOWIK Nlurn/X6LSnSivTnTOEi+DNitmhtIhcAWzWR4EOyHeFB8GD4phJFQ1U8k2C08dI3yE H3qfNlZH9qNsV+IK8lc45qwY4eQSKg1bniJLU9FTIZy1liY71/oB3NaD+wXy6tlxnr 1u6NvvZq5pKnQ== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:686f:21d1:522e:1517]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id kYlgdW3sF13A8kYlgdrwZM; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:44:38 +0000 From: To: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000001d31c2f$198c1d90$4ca458b0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDF/IyaMvCBnw86Go5x/QMkUP55VAG5cn3QAawB5RMCEIpWLAJCLUJtAbb+81UBvf000aRS+inA Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMgCob5xkE+wmUh7kWwxKHcxoWCq2f/bGyxUrGKhpBgo/sLB9IBqT6FmL22fYMFM7OxwbqoKkeS2Fg4BUDzZWNZcqAUZFwVjZHHwMkCVeP36qJup7EyP /60yk41lT6FH4KUYZlrQIFjA+g68VNMyiXk= X-Scan-Signature: 20fb97b64762a0bd80c12a4b2f6724b0 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12434 Hello Joe, Data from some key eclipse receivers is being processed; using data from good receivers in Kansas and Delaware, analysts did not find your 18:00 UT 137.777 kHz signal on their first try using 1-second integration time; could you recommend a better integration time for those two receiver locations? Thanks! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:39 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment My pleasure, Jim. The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Thanks Joe, > > Lots of receivers listening. > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the > 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >> >> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ >> 1-2 kW > at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, > broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast > totality. >> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >> >> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA >> >> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from >> W4DEX > might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put > to good use. >> >> 73, >> >> Jim AA5BW >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> Hi Jim et al. >> >> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>> ... >>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >> >> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths >> from > NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the > C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=4 >> 0 >> .7KHz >> >> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >> >> 73 de df3lp, >> Peter >> >> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 23 22:01:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7NK0Wnk019029 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:00:33 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkbkQ-0003SS-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:55:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkbkP-0003SJ-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:55:29 +0100 Received: from omr-a004e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkbkL-0002Hg-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:55:28 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.99]) by omr-a004e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B560D380004D for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9DBAD38000086 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.23.45) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:55:21 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e10a9d5f6-c05-c383@webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <599A8CD1.3080805@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120265 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503518122; bh=lZ1wzUzLPs59EQHo/CG8dIGj6CaDVo0DDCcgZIxuKRQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ahtWdzDhBKqGDQVyyjzrVVT9sE3zfCcLGNn9QwAM+MxNP7NwJvL+M8ReNnhN7y/0C SXGeYuTeW9Zwwf6685YR/xUq7jMLvkhFp0H6VWtJVFTbyfVeuOuRSwuzcysW87H+2b CB8/1GbQ1j4rkN8pbYgoyOb6ytlYs4DQJ/Qx/8Gw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7f63599ddda97f94 X-Scan-Signature: 5047c9669d5f66b4c9d7ff0d693cf68a Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_62074_1780819586.1503518119414" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12435 ------=_Part_62074_1780819586.1503518119414 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_62073_28040888.1503518119414" ------=_Part_62073_28040888.1503518119414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, think we got it! The most plausible decode "PEACE" came from the DL0AO EW-a= ntenna, whereas the W-cardioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both files ended half a= n hour early at 18:27, but I was too curious to wait two more hours for the= next FFT output. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, = so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all beca= use now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between= 4...5 kHz. I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated = daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work wit= h 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: f =3D 4470.005000 Hz Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 60 s Characters: 5 CRC bits: 6 Coding 16K21A Duration: 14h56min Antenna current: 150 mA (suggested optimum list length: 9) Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 > Anything on Pauls RX?=20 So far,=20 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif=20 About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.=20 --=20 Paul Nicholson=20 -- ------=_Part_62073_28040888.1503518119414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

think we got it! The mos= t plausible decode "PEACE" came from the DL0AO EW-antenna, whereas the W-ca= rdioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both files ended half an hour early at 18:2= 7, but I was too curious to wait two more hours for the next FFT output.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3= =BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, = 21. Aug 2017 9:35
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f =3D 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://= abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
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--------------------------------------------- found QPL,= list rank 81 reference phase 0 0 0 0 carrier S/N 12.99 dB in 18.6 uHz, -34.31 dB in 1Hz, -68.29 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -16.53 dB carrier Eb/N0 -1.56 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 398/896 = 44.420 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -20.0 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -5.0 dB Shannon capacity 1.9 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 100.3 % symbols file EW08230331-symbols.csv elapsed 10 seconds --------------------------------------------- found PEACE list rank 0 reference phase 180 180 180 180 carrier S/N 14.88 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.42 dB in 1Hz, -66.40 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.64 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.33 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 368/896 = 41.071 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -15.9 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -0.9 dB Shannon capacity 2.9 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 65.3 % symbols file EW08230331-symbols.csv elapsed 20 seconds --------------------------------------------- found P_1XG list rank 3 reference phase -150 180 -150 180 carrier S/N 14.99 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.31 dB in 1Hz, -66.29 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.53 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.45 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 370/896 = 41.295 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -16.1 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -1.1 dB Shannon capacity 3.0 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 63.7 % symbols file EW08230331-symbols.csv elapsed 377 seconds ------=_Part_62074_1780819586.1503518119414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=W08230331-log.txt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=W08230331-log.txt ebnaut-rx V0.7 input file W08230331.wav sample rate 0.152413 per second rx frequency 4470 file start time 2017-08-22 12:35:49.340 polynomial 16K21A crc size 6 number of chars 5 block size 36 symbol period 60.000 number of symbols 896 list length 100 start offset 55476.700 freq offset 0.005000 cores 2 skipped 55474.452555 seconds to start padded 1732.141 seconds at end initial reference phase -89.2 --------------------------------------------- found @ !&; list rank 20 reference phase 180 180 180 180 carrier S/N 14.55 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.75 dB in 1Hz, -66.73 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.97 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.00 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 387/896 = 43.192 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -18.3 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -3.3 dB Shannon capacity 2.7 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 70.4 % symbols file W08230331-symbols.csv elapsed 19 seconds --------------------------------------------- found @ !&; list rank 0 reference phase 150 150 150 150 carrier S/N 14.55 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.75 dB in 1Hz, -66.73 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.97 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.00 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 383/896 = 42.746 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -17.7 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -2.7 dB Shannon capacity 2.7 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 70.4 % symbols file W08230331-symbols.csv elapsed 59 seconds --------------------------------------------- found @ !&; 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1134404de97e055771814d" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12437 --94eb2c1134404de97e055771814d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all Why email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on www.wsprnet.org and are entered into the data base so they can be researched by anyone ad infinitum. Most wspr TXers keep a weather eye on the reports so they see their results real time. Viz:- *Timestamp* *Call* *MHz* *SNR* *Drift* *Grid* *Pwr* *Reporter* *RGrid* *km* *az* 2017-08-23 02:40 GM3YXM 0.475715 -16 0 IO75xc 0.5 G3WCB IO80ei 529 177 2017-08-23 02:34 GM3YXM 0.475715 -16 0 IO75xc 0.5 G3WCB IO80ei 529 177 2017-08-23 02:26 GM3YXM 0.475715 -23 0 IO75xc 0.5 G3WCB IO80ei 529 177 2017-08-23 02:20 GM3YXM 0.475715 -21 -1 IO75xc 0.5 G3WCB IO80ei 529 Just a thought 73 petefmt On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave wrote: > Dave, LF, > GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm > square tuned loop. > > > 0142 -26 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0202 -21 -1.1 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0210 -21 -1.2 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0220 -21 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0226 -23 -1.3 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > > 73, Dave G3WCB > IO8EI South Devon > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > --94eb2c1134404de97e055771814d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all
Why email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on www.wsprnet.org and are entered into= the data base so they can be researched by anyone ad infinitum. Most wspr TXers keep a weather eye on the reports so t= hey see their results real time.

Viz:-

Timestamp

Call

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SNR

Drift

Grid

Pwr

Reporter

RGrid

km

az

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73 petefmt


On W= ed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dave, LF,
GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm=
square tuned loop.


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73, Dave G3WCB
IO8EI South Devon





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--94eb2c1134404de97e055771814d-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 23 23:39:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dmv.com: mailn 1095; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7NLdMCB019364 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:39:23 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkdI0-0003o4-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:34:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkdHz-0003nv-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:34:15 +0100 Received: from omr-m008e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkdHv-0002Z1-HI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 22:34:14 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.144]) by omr-m008e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 42FD43800168 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F25C738000085; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.19.77) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:34:06 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: markusvester@aol.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e10a9d5f6-c05-c383@webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120268 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503524048; bh=H5j4LTiZbK5mMfxlsi8eXZc26JFzNyKFykadPhl0e18=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IysrmTXMc8Q8BqyvKBux/tqM/02cHJfXbB/Uf7Awqz5embHO43b/cm7L6q14h2iPN AYb15AMosM1oOCGZk9tWReacN5rhDxpkz2WPNvyARh8pm1DLVDEXao1LN5ulfeuUfp QZabcf36uUMFP5fSWFKLkAw6lRsr2LR0YvcI0g3s= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe90599df4ce7ca5 X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_63621_1806885860.1503524045614" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12438 ------=_Part_63621_1806885860.1503524045614 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63620_1246774132.1503524045614" ------=_Part_63620_1246774132.1503524045614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slightly improved decode with complete data. 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 23. Aug 2017 21:55 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Stefan, think we got it! The most plausible decode "PEACE" came from the DL0AO EW-a= ntenna, whereas the W-cardioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both files ended half a= n hour early at 18:27, but I was too curious to wait two more hours for the= next FFT output. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, = so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all beca= use now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between= 4...5 kHz. I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated d= aily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with= 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: f =3D 4470.005000 Hz Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC Symbol period: 60 s Characters: 5 CRC bits: 6 Coding 16K21A Duration: 14h56min Antenna current: 150 mA (suggested optimum list length: 9) Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=20 > Anything on Pauls RX?=20 So far,=20 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif=20 About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.=20 --=20 Paul Nicholson=20 -- ------=_Part_63620_1246774132.1503524045614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Slightly improved decode with complete data.

= 73, Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus V= ester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 23. Aug 2017 21:55
Betreff: Re: VLF= : Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Stefan,

think we got it! The most plausible decode "PEACE" came from th= e DL0AO EW-antenna, whereas the W-cardioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both fi= les ended half an hour early at 18:27, but I was too curious to wait two mo= re hours for the next FFT output.

Best 73,
Markus (= DF6NM)



-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7F= C <selberdenken@posteo.de&= gt;
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35=
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f =3D 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e10a9d5f6-c05-c383@webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <302e33f9-1150-b05b-6b9c-49ce55527766@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:03:46 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15e10a9d5f6-c05-c383@webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! 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Not bad for 5uW ERP. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 13:15:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OBFhFn021020 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:15:44 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkq1P-0004fG-Ii for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:09:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkq1P-0004f7-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:09:59 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq1L-0004qF-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:09:57 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 035C320AF7 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:09:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xdM5D166vz10HT for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599EB3FD.6010608@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:09:49 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e10a9d5f6-c05-c383@webjas-vae042.srv.aolmail.net> <302e33f9-1150-b05b-6b9c-49ce55527766@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <302e33f9-1150-b05b-6b9c-49ce55527766@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12440 Hello Paul, VLF, very well! I saved the image to my VLF folder. Another achievement i am happy with. Today the 5 character EbNaut message is repeated as you can see on my grabber. I will repeat it as long as you can decode it. Jacek, are you reading this? Do you like to try to decode it too? 73, Stefan Am 24.08.2017 12:03, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. > > I got no useful signal during daytime on the 22nd. > > But I combined the night and day signals, adjusting > for the observed 20 degree nighttime phase lag. > > Now we have 14.0 dB S/N in 23.1 uHz, 5 sigma: > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170824a.png > > A detection distance record for the 67km band. > Not bad for 5uW ERP. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 13:19:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OBJaJD021037 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:19:37 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkq5x-0004jM-EM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:14:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkq5x-0004jC-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:14:41 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkq5t-0004tA-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:14:39 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8326D209A7 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xdMBj0Gnvzyny for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:14:36 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: b0c81be0f3328ec24fe2fd5b2fd44f86 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! / EbNaut Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010809050309080300090609" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010809050309080300090609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus and the DL0AO team. Excellent, you got it! Also it is interesting to see that the EW earth antenna produces better results (this time) than the cardioid with its current settings. With the coming transmissions you may try your stacking tool. 73, Stefan Am 23.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Markus Vester: > > Slightly improved decode with complete data. > > 73, Markus > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Markus Vester > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Mi, 23. Aug 2017 21:55 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! > > Hi Stefan, > > think we got it! The most plausible decode "PEACE" came from the DL0AO > EW-antenna, whereas the W-cardioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both files > ended half an hour early at 18:27, but I was too curious to wait two > more hours for the next FFT output. > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > > An: rsgb_lf_group > > Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! > > Hi Paul, Markus, VLF, > > That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last > night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad > at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak. > I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal > between 4...5 kHz. > I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be > repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it > could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days: > > *f = 4470.005000 Hz > Start time: 22.August.2017 04:00:00 UTC > Symbol period: 60 s > Characters: 5 > CRC bits: 6 > Coding 16K21A > Duration: 14h56min > Antenna current: 150 mA* > (suggested optimum list length: 9) > > Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > > > Anything on Pauls RX? > > So far, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif > > About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > --------------010809050309080300090609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus and the DL0AO team.

Excellent, you got it!
Also it is interesting to see that the EW earth antenna produces better results (this time) than the cardioid with its current settings.
With the coming transmissions you may try your stacking tool.

73, Stefan


Am 23.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Markus Vester:

Slightly improved decode with complete data.

73, Markus

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 23. Aug 2017 21:55
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Stefan,

think we got it! The most plausible decode "PEACE" came from the DL0AO EW-antenna, whereas the W-cardioid insisted on "@ !&;". Both files ended half an hour early at 18:27, but I was too curious to wait two more hours for the next FFT output.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)



-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 21. Aug 2017 9:35
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz!

Hi Paul, Markus, VLF,

That's already a nice peak! Markus' 'OK message' came to late last night, so i let the TX running without starting EbNaut. That's not bad at all because now you will get more energy to produce a better peak.
I'm happy with the SNR on these two locations from my first signal between 4...5 kHz.
I'd like to start a somwwhat longer EbNaut message which will be repeated daily until there are decodes on your RX sites. For DL0AO it could work with 1...2 days stacked and for Paul we may need 2...4 days:

f = 4470.005000 Hz
Start time: 22.August.2017  04:00:00 UTC
Symbol period: 60 s
Characters: 5
CRC bits: 6
Coding 16K21A
Duration: 14h56min
Antenna current: 150 mA
(suggested optimum list length: 9)

Great, i'm excited and curious to see if you will get that message :-)

73, Stefan



Am 21.08.2017 00:58, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

> Anything on Pauls RX?

So far,

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170820a.gif

About 10.5 dB in the 12 hour integration.

--
Paul Nicholson
--


--------------010809050309080300090609-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 13:31:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OBVVVC021092 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:31:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkqI6-0004s2-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:27:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkqI6-0004rt-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:27:14 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkqHz-0004yZ-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:27:13 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8118D20BCD for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xdMT60hNNz10HR for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:27:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599EB809.8010009@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:27:05 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3b0a8c4a-0958-564d-8cc9-15116713b85a@gmail.com> <599d38ce.d0c5df0a.915bc.5de3SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: a9e4bd9ac17cf989edb1e222c85d2247 Subject: Re: LF: GM3YXM... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040106030408040902080803" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12442 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040106030408040902080803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was happy to read Dave's email because it does not only tell the decode results, it also tells that: -he is happy to see the other Dave in the GM location far away (probably a rarely used holiday location) -he is happy to see that his own station works quite well. It is some kind of explicit greeting to the other station. Not unusual in amateur radio. A positive thing. I had a look to the database to see if i got GM3YXM as well (i got him on that 1070km path), i wouldn't have done that otherwise. It was nice to see the location so far outside (jwd as we say here) and i thought about a 1/4 wavelength kite antenna for 630m, which i would rise there :-) 73, Stefan Am 23.08.2017 22:24, schrieb M0FMT: > > Hi all > Why email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on > www.wsprnet.org and are entered into the data > base so they can be researched by anyone ad infinitum. Most wspr TXers > keep a weather eye on the reports so they see their results real time. > > Viz:- > > *Timestamp* > > > > *Call* > > > > *MHz* > > > > *SNR* > > > > *Drift* > > > > *Grid* > > > > *Pwr* > > > > *Reporter* > > > > *RGrid* > > > > *km* > > > > *az* > > 2017-08-23 02:40 > > > > GM3YXM > > > > 0.475715 > > > > -16 > > > > 0 > > > > IO75xc > > > > 0.5 > > > > G3WCB > > > > IO80ei > > > > 529 > > > > 177 > > 2017-08-23 02:34 > > > > GM3YXM > > > > 0.475715 > > > > -16 > > > > 0 > > > > IO75xc > > > > 0.5 > > > > G3WCB > > > > IO80ei > > > > 529 > > > > 177 > > 2017-08-23 02:26 > > > > GM3YXM > > > > 0.475715 > > > > -23 > > > > 0 > > > > IO75xc > > > > 0.5 > > > > G3WCB > > > > IO80ei > > > > 529 > > > > 177 > > 2017-08-23 02:20 > > > > GM3YXM > > > > 0.475715 > > > > -21 > > > > -1 > > > > IO75xc > > > > 0.5 > > > > G3WCB > > > > IO80ei > > > > 529 > > > > Just a thought > > 73 petefmt > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave > wrote: > > Dave, LF, > GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna > is a 60cm > square tuned loop. > > > 0142 -26 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0202 -21 -1.1 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0210 -21 -1.2 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0220 -21 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > 0226 -23 -1.3 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 > > 73, Dave G3WCB > IO8EI South Devon > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > --------------040106030408040902080803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was happy to read Dave's email because it does not only tell the decode results, it also tells that:

-he is happy to see the other Dave in the GM location far away (probably a rarely used holiday location)
-he is happy to see that his own station works quite well.

It is some kind of explicit greeting to the other station. Not unusual in amateur radio. A positive thing.
I had a look to the database to see if i got GM3YXM as well (i got him on that 1070km path), i wouldn't have done that otherwise. It was nice to see the location so far outside (jwd as we say here) and i thought about a 1/4 wavelength kite antenna for 630m, which i would rise there :-)

73, Stefan

Am 23.08.2017 22:24, schrieb M0FMT:

Hi all
Why email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on www.wsprnet.org and are entered into the data base so they can be researched by anyone ad infinitum. Most wspr TXers keep a weather eye on the reports so they see their results real time.

Viz:-

Timestamp

Call

MHz

SNR

Drift

Grid

Pwr

Reporter

RGrid

km

az

2017-08-23 02:40 

 GM3YXM 

 0.475715 

 -16 

 0 

 IO75xc 

 0.5 

 G3WCB 

 IO80ei 

 529 

 177 

 2017-08-23 02:34 

 GM3YXM 

 0.475715 

 -16 

 0 

 IO75xc 

 0.5 

 G3WCB 

 IO80ei 

 529 

 177 

 2017-08-23 02:26 

 GM3YXM 

 0.475715 

 -23 

 0 

 IO75xc 

 0.5 

 G3WCB 

 IO80ei 

 529 

 177 

 2017-08-23 02:20 

 GM3YXM 

 0.475715 

 -21 

 -1 

 IO75xc 

 0.5 

 G3WCB 

 IO80ei 

 529 

 

Just a thought

73 petefmt


On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dave, LF,
GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is a 60cm
square tuned loop.


0142  -26  -1.2    0.475715   -1   GM3YXM        IO75     27    582
0202  -21  -1.1    0.475715    0   GM3YXM        IO75     27    582
0210  -21  -1.2    0.475715    0   GM3YXM        IO75     27    582
0220  -21  -1.2    0.475715   -1   GM3YXM        IO75     27    582
0226  -23  -1.3    0.475715    0   GM3YXM        IO75     27    582

73, Dave G3WCB
IO8EI South Devon





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--------------040106030408040902080803-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 14:09:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OC947h021154 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:09:06 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkqs0-00050U-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:04:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkqrz-00050L-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:04:19 +0100 Received: from smtp13.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.135] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkqrr-000591-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:04:18 +0100 Received: from PCPMF ([109.219.88.21]) by mwinf5d74 with ME id 10431w00R0Te4hH03043kd; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:04:09 +0200 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:04:09 +0200 X-ME-IP: 109.219.88.21 Message-ID: <5BB995CCE1BF4C51BF9358286F008043@PCPMF> From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: References: <3b0a8c4a-0958-564d-8cc9-15116713b85a@gmail.com> <599d38ce.d0c5df0a.915bc.5de3SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <599EB809.8010009@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <599EB809.8010009@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:04:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170824-0, 24/08/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: 4daa514ec2527de47aa0e97f0caa7ebd Subject: LF: Re: GM3YXM... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D31CE1.D765D1F0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12443 Ce message est composi et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D31CE1.D765D1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello dear friends. That is nice. On my side, I remember some nice CW QSO 137 kHz band I had = with Dave G3YXM from his fixe QTH (first QSO whith him was 06/01/2001) = and also when he was in portable in Scotland (2 way 30/12/2000, and also = some months before using CW X-Band). It was a lot of fun over 16 years = ago ! 73, Andy From: DK7FC=20 Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:27 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: GM3YXM... I was happy to read Dave's email because it does not only tell the = decode results, it also tells that: -he is happy to see the other Dave in the GM location far away (probably = a rarely used holiday location) -he is happy to see that his own station works quite well. It is some kind of explicit greeting to the other station. Not unusual = in amateur radio. A positive thing. I had a look to the database to see if i got GM3YXM as well (i got him = on that 1070km path), i wouldn't have done that otherwise. It was nice = to see the location so far outside (jwd as we say here) and i thought = about a 1/4 wavelength kite antenna for 630m, which i would rise there = :-) 73, Stefan Am 23.08.2017 22:24, schrieb M0FMT:=20 Hi all Why email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on = www.wsprnet.org and are entered into the data base so they can be = researched by anyone ad infinitum. Most wspr TXers keep a weather eye on = the reports so they see their results real time. Viz:- Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az =20 2017-08-23 02:40=20 GM3YXM=20 0.475715=20 -16=20 0=20 IO75xc=20 0.5=20 G3WCB=20 IO80ei=20 529=20 177=20 =20 2017-08-23 02:34=20 GM3YXM=20 0.475715=20 -16=20 0=20 IO75xc=20 0.5=20 G3WCB=20 IO80ei=20 529=20 177=20 =20 2017-08-23 02:26=20 GM3YXM=20 0.475715=20 -23=20 0=20 IO75xc=20 0.5=20 G3WCB=20 IO80ei=20 529=20 177=20 =20 2017-08-23 02:20=20 GM3YXM=20 0.475715=20 -21=20 -1=20 IO75xc=20 0.5=20 G3WCB=20 IO80ei=20 529=20 =20 =20 Just a thought 73 petefmt On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave = wrote: Dave, LF, GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. Antenna is = a 60cm square tuned loop. 0142 -26 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0202 -21 -1.1 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0210 -21 -1.2 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0220 -21 -1.2 0.475715 -1 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 0226 -23 -1.3 0.475715 0 GM3YXM IO75 27 582 73, Dave G3WCB IO8EI South Devon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D31CE1.D765D1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hello dear friends.
 
That is nice. On my side, I remember some nice CW = QSO 137 kHz=20 band I had with Dave G3YXM from his fixe QTH (first QSO whith him was=20 06/01/2001) and also when he was in portable in Scotland (2 way = 30/12/2000, and=20 also some months before using CW X-Band). It was a lot of fun over 16 = years ago=20 !
 
73, Andy
 
 
From: DK7FC
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: LF: GM3YXM...
 
I=20 was happy to read Dave's email because it does not only tell the decode = results,=20 it also tells that:

-he is happy to see the other Dave in the GM = location=20 far away (probably a rarely used holiday location)
-he is happy to = see that=20 his own station works quite well.

It is some kind of explicit = greeting to=20 the other station. Not unusual in amateur radio. A positive thing.
I = had a=20 look to the database to see if i got GM3YXM as well (i got him on that = 1070km=20 path), i wouldn't have done that otherwise. It was nice to see the = location so=20 far outside (jwd as we say here) and i thought about a 1/4 wavelength = kite=20 antenna for 630m, which i would rise there :-)

73, = Stefan

Am=20 23.08.2017 22:24, schrieb M0FMT:=20

Hi=20 all
Why=20 email WSPR results via here? All wspr contacts are displayed on www.wsprnet.org and=20 are entered into the data base so they can be researched by anyone ad=20 infinitum. Most wspr TXers keep a weather eye on the reports so they = see their=20 results real time.

Viz:-

Timestamp

Call

MHz

SNR

Drift

Grid

Pwr

Reporter

RGrid

km

az

2017-08-23=20 02:40

GM3YXM=20

0.475715=20

-16=20

0=20

IO75xc=20

0.5=20

G3WCB=20

IO80ei=20

529=20

177=20

2017-08-23=20 02:34

GM3YXM=20

0.475715=20

-16=20

0=20

IO75xc=20

0.5=20

G3WCB=20

IO80ei=20

529=20

177=20

2017-08-23=20 02:26

GM3YXM=20

0.475715=20

-23=20

0=20

IO75xc=20

0.5=20

G3WCB=20

IO80ei=20

529=20

177=20

2017-08-23=20 02:20

GM3YXM=20

0.475715=20

-21=20

-1=20

IO75xc=20

0.5=20

G3WCB=20

IO80ei=20

529=20


 

Just a=20 thought

73=20 petefmt

 
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Dave <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> = wrote:
Dave,=20 LF,
GM3YXM WSPR signals received at good strength last night. = Antenna is=20 a 60cm
square tuned loop.


0142  -26 =20 -1.2    0.475715   -1  =20 GM3YXM       =20 IO75     27    582
0202 =20 -21  -1.1    0.475715    = 0  =20 GM3YXM       =20 IO75     27    582
0210 =20 -21  -1.2    0.475715    = 0  =20 GM3YXM       =20 IO75     27    582
0220 =20 -21  -1.2    0.475715   -1   = GM3YXM       =20 IO75     27    582
0226 =20 -23  -1.3    0.475715    = 0  =20 GM3YXM       =20 IO75     27    582

73, = Dave=20 G3WCB
IO8EI South Devon





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Dear all


Thanks for the messages re the activity, I shall be here for a few more days so if anyone wants to try a test just email me.

I have forgotten to bring my Morse key but I have rigged up a hacksaw blade which seems to work if anybody wants to try that!

I have also forgotten to bring the big 136kHz loading coil so it's only 472kHz this time.


73

Dave G(M)3YXM near New Galloway in south-west Scotland

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12:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: LF: MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0cbf2690b7d80557850ea3" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12447 --94eb2c0cbf2690b7d80557850ea3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back onto 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as the charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-wheel (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is S8. I need to lower this. M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go to WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on again! 73s Roger G3XBM --94eb2c0cbf2690b7d80557850ea3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took m= y first steps back onto 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC= on battery power as the charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my = coax to the 2m big-wheel (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with t= he PC on batteries is S8. I need to lower this.

M0= FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise.
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There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Y= es they go to WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no probl= ems with results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me b= ack on again!

73s
Roger G3XBM
--94eb2c0cbf2690b7d80557850ea3-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 22:16:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OKGOll022296 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:16:25 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkyTx-0005rp-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:12:01 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkyTw-0005rg-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:12:00 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkyTt-0007Mp-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:11:59 +0100 Received: from ASUS ([82.21.241.77]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id 18Bu1w00L1gtunm018Bv2T; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:11:55 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [82.21.241.77] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=ELn7qAtC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:117 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=b2Y5wmpeNqkEDV9hEmsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hCt1ut_Av1cMsYx9-AcA:9 a=vt2fjkFfgAsJ4NeT:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 Message-ID: <412123375CB54F7485F42E86DC7D1937@ASUS> From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:11:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1503605515; bh=SzyFTFPG09ehstaBqeuuXdgVQzpr4bF2Xu6dsJ1DYTE=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=LxxOyKUfJlRVfDUvjYnIzxPo8yXRpQkXaWnm4hEz6vRTRh0JFLpt0ADKgWqyHM4wn KIYExzLMzUyKijEyv1BdUsYXcpuqlxEISD01E4XI/hRBny92D6w+kLoyPXRLgN/mNU Q3Wyo4biC+9N3n4Av0cOC3mqR5ox8H8/XkI6d9PeO4cCPNSWB0zuFUzltNztXx3dw9 bfdtU99xPzL1EyFki6dOtvCAXT/Ym3AoMH/sbSz2zQXENnSc52EzrSITSRynsJaMzL zQPYk5ULiP2hAyA35mqIj0lja8i42Iz48iHA90miubSCZYIaCgLRIWUzAvqkxixvUu fyo2sGpcfo4aQ== X-Scan-Signature: 21e2055b299bd63ed331c37c8a3e15ca Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31D1D.9CFDC450" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12448 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31D1D.9CFDC450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger, Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can fire = up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m.=20 All the Best 73 Ian G4GIR From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF WSPR Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back onto = 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as = the charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m = big-wheel (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on = batteries is S8. I need to lower this. M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go = to WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with = results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on = again! 73s Roger G3XBM ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31D1D.9CFDC450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roger,
 
Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can = fire up=20 a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. =
 
All the Best
73
Ian G4GIR
 
From: Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: LF: MF WSPR
 
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back = onto=20 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as = the=20 charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m = big-wheel=20 (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is = S8. I=20 need to lower this.
 
M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local = noise.
 
There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they = go to=20 WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with = results=20 being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on = again!
 
73s
Roger G3XBM
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D31D1D.9CFDC450-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 22:24:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OKNuBb022326 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:23:57 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkybl-0005xt-92 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:20:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkybk-0005xk-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:20:04 +0100 Received: from mail-qt0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkybh-0007QS-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:20:03 +0100 Received: by mail-qt0-x235.google.com with SMTP id n13so2775944qtc.5 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=M9FuyELzySzfXfUG/x6iAa3bftBL/mSWiou6WtVJS68=; b=AiKxWayLbIqC0qFA3GNHF9wssSBJlVp7L+/JY8pBtEcBAPNY8UL1MDJVo4O33xe5WF uu9DMBnng1gx4w951INRw0REinTKxTf8WmBoJZTPq7OG5+HojcWhjx+/YotX1SmVUaIA gBZeCkyr/F2HwgexpbnOyxpmM5INDxkFtE0HoxPUagt/kxwHI62k6b1CreJUiy4r9GKy Z+pwA32N/u6utOBVS/Wd6KeMLczRAN5yUJir/Uf09vpcXkpKwWs0H6pX5gfGMAgNmXnQ zFuVDZW2c8FmDXIdAFVpedqXa0XZupY10OvzvgvsOgK8gaFysd0VXI7ou1hz1av1DoeP lpog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=M9FuyELzySzfXfUG/x6iAa3bftBL/mSWiou6WtVJS68=; b=ntUpsYgKr0kk+Rv84nNwGmP0DNbLVjHiyoCVkWa1NenBif+zrI570olL8qPkro3t7w XKD3nSCySKTH6E3SOMmV7QxRODpxGmUV9T1uEGbteHCN05/FAhWhb6X9RVw323bow6Un hcAVrSRN4hOCUjb+6hE0QPTjACzHxVWepPx8svIw5I8OqT0JVzWoTDfXPFA4kaPWBowl iXBNSgIXK37Rma1Jt+ooxue4mmx8sRie5zjQOlWS0XG6slec40uqI3GXhIZOLNHjOH3S jCwnkbWrTHgphy1JltgVr2aLRaF+dIcoZbe51sRASwtbD8D++qLUe4v3jggZdazpL7lU D6gQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5jGX0r722EcMq32u71D5ZimKsFlX5eLmPNZv1vGO7hAOnkypVX0 TQk7UsXaz6neuArGNObDOTm0eAJeFw== X-Received: by 10.237.49.2 with SMTP id 2mr10648492qtg.247.1503606000551; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.42.76 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:19:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <412123375CB54F7485F42E86DC7D1937@ASUS> References: <412123375CB54F7485F42E86DC7D1937@ASUS> From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:19:59 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: 47a967f57bae6380aac0a0062beb1b4e Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0cbf268b90320557858d66" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12449 --94eb2c0cbf268b90320557858d66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Ian, Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX only. Where are you? 73s Roger G3XBM On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can fire > up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. > > All the Best > 73 > Ian G4GIR > > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* LF: MF WSPR > > Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back onto > 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as the > charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-wheel > (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is S8. > I need to lower this. > > M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. > > There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go to > WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with > results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on again! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > --94eb2c0cbf268b90320557858d66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Ian,

Until I repair m= y transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX only. Where are you?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, <i.frith@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi Roger,
=C2=A0
Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can fi= re up=20 a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m.
=C2=A0
All the Best
73
Ian G4GIR
=C2=A0
From: Roger Lapthorn <= /div>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: LF: MF WSPR
=C2=A0
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps bac= k onto=20 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as the= =20 charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-wheel= =20 (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is S8.= I=20 need to lower this.
=C2=A0
M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise.
=C2=A0
There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go= to=20 WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with resul= ts=20 being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on again!
=C2=A0
73s
Roger G3XBM

--94eb2c0cbf268b90320557858d66-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 22:26:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OKQIoQ022340 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:26:19 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkyeM-00060x-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:22:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkyeM-00060g-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:22:46 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkyeG-0007Sa-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:22:45 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7OKMV3G025366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:52:33 -0230 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 17:52:31 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001d31c2f$198c1d90$4ca458b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> <000001d31c2f$198c1d90$4ca458b0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 982d53dbb4bb82e9ed4f38562b2a1556 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12450 Hi Jim, I can only guess that a longer integration time may help. The aerial does not radiate well to the west though there have been QRSS60 detections in the US. This uses integration times of oder 10 seconds I think. Thanks Joe On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Hello Joe, > > Data from some key eclipse receivers is being processed; using data from > good receivers in Kansas and Delaware, analysts did not find your 18:00 UT > 137.777 kHz signal on their first try using 1-second integration time; could > you recommend a better integration time for those two receiver locations? > > Thanks! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:39 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > My pleasure, Jim. > The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Thanks Joe, >> >> Lots of receivers listening. >> >> 73, >> >> Jim AA5BW >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the >> 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >>> >>> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ >>> 1-2 kW >> at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, >> broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast >> totality. >>> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >>> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >>> >>> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, VA >>> >>> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from >>> W4DEX >> might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put >> to good use. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim AA5BW >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>> >>> Hi Jim et al. >>> >>> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>>> ... >>>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >>> >>> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation paths >>> from >> NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the >> C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >>> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq=4 >>> 0 >>> .7KHz >>> >>> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >>> >>> 73 de df3lp, >>> Peter >>> >>> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >>> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 22:33:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OKXNP4022355 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:33:24 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkykm-0006AJ-61 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:29:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkykl-0006AA-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:29:23 +0100 Received: from mail-qk0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkykj-0007W6-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:29:22 +0100 Received: by mail-qk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id 130so3147005qkg.0 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=f7Cr61My6XA1DIkL8hVQCNyvBJKMG9jLJgY5L0MQWhY=; b=G1jFtpwM7h9koDGH+G4QJin/PQ7ItGnxMPOHc419h2iQFwDbeo+T9+NRWh5xpWoBFw SLhdGPSdguHdg0hcwopAvFbks5dxx7VwE+S77tdaiWHPF7/yzTNehGPGfQmFaVk5d8l8 J5YR68h8IbGhZculMq+zYNqAcu5m4KHyxNkM9Y/TXI08XzvFQh7fdjl0YM4eSfilR4C+ ORArZyglwV31yRx2DOLt9ltoizRBpzwuwTrgrYCofVsD82V90DRyR+X6iBubX3ObD9mo Gvk9fyD9ZqXBx/QO6A7iwaWWOYa94qfc/r3kSxWVVpIsjYsJjoGC0dsdbiWQaX1urdY8 eixg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=f7Cr61My6XA1DIkL8hVQCNyvBJKMG9jLJgY5L0MQWhY=; b=iYp81j0WvwKR+cKfBhWcyG53RR8wNcGVXN0ke+wBLUKEoolivjGD5yPtc27N3GliNN NnHTDColgE7OgbG4x+AxqMfTv+4CNZXV1O/KPCGeMs/im/kwse9FSfl2DmQzzNPoZf/S qz7i/bnkYHXe8xZR8/FUzKQuIiov3phG+NpLfMPMkocNPKwml8/TG6Czy6clerpj5kt9 bXf811YoV+TDafss6nEfxUUF0GtBFzmk9PPRAVQNrHkNpO/5nsd+Au/Og7gmwhdNlvNo OxdRkAipo4ojgrnTjk3lsyURRwTLzTaYzBI+DWoJn1KFy20oTK18QIOoUqTYp8kDoW13 UI1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iqvKd7KPKp45LFCI7pI+k6dKOdXLhS1ZlxxIYFQy5vh3NPOS9g nzhEhlj8ojA+1eTXTxlDoJw633q63g== X-Received: by 10.55.33.225 with SMTP id f94mr10011263qki.292.1503606559347; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:29:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.42.76 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 13:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Lapthorn Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:29:18 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: 87966b345956c8ef3389b993f6a18f4e Subject: LF: GM3YXM on 472kHz WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1144d23cda25aa055785ae3a" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12451 --001a1144d23cda25aa055785ae3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Despite my high noise floor GM3YXM (425km) has been spotted a couple of times on 472kHz WSPR. Best was -23dB S/N. This is very encouraging seeing how poor my antenna is and how much noise I have. 73s Roger G3XBM --001a1144d23cda25aa055785ae3a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Despite my high noise floor GM3YXM (425km) has been s= potted a couple of times on 472kHz WSPR. Best was -23dB S/N. This is very e= ncouraging seeing how poor my antenna is and how much noise I have.

73s
Roger G3XBM
--001a1144d23cda25aa055785ae3a-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 24 22:45:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7OKjcYH022406 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:45:39 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dkyws-0006Gm-DC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:41:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dkywr-0006Gd-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:41:53 +0100 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dkywo-0007ad-Tc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:41:52 +0100 Received: from ASUS ([82.21.241.77]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id 18hq1w0071gtunm018hqE0; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:41:50 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=ntlworld.com Result=Signature OK X-Originating-IP: [82.21.241.77] X-Authenticated-User: X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=ELn7qAtC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:117 a=+we89o/nwg41pYryx2JXJA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=Umonp7DOewB5FDcjFZYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=MAw3rFE9QdVZsS6htYoA:9 a=LfoYNHIhm0l3N5jO:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 a=wW_WBVUImv98JQXhvVPZ:22 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 Message-ID: <375DC4E57F174356A82D80C419CE246A@ASUS> From: To: References: <412123375CB54F7485F42E86DC7D1937@ASUS> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 21:41:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1503607310; bh=kuc3HbjsQQCjZM8MvILNlT49ibZ41W2PSWL/T6krJ+w=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=zOqXRc9js77FA2L1P1xgu1c1+J7cqMRcs6bPFqwB4QAz2yzIBByFBVQ5ZXF+tD4pv o/3lLqVex5icoTBR7kIvSFMcc2b7bOI+b+qg1qjy7TqQUX76A9sot3eriWx+VyvOQy a+TVeuOKVI7Y/15F2t7mI+gt6rXgKuHa3tiOX4iHxV/p0C7ust7N4kU+0uV3AAVxU8 KrFoRQvy+KRCfEzahjRnFkoW/Mg+tcWfAFiKyfHetaink+WSlq7gj1IcKJdJZlDrL6 8qcBpKBsVLlZ7RcrXLmu7hpaLuX1KOn9D6AToEaYkT/AvhEIlY8iWXP5BHpyDKKVCx kV2al5o/rwYyQ== X-Scan-Signature: 64bc660a83b79b15f4c44d2b2147e02d Subject: LF: Re: MF WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01D31D21.CB027AE0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12452 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01D31D21.CB027AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the reply Roger, I am in Bedford, IO92SD.=20 Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going. Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizontal. Look forward to hearing you on the band. 73 Ian G4GIR From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR Thanks Ian, Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX only. = Where are you? 73s Roger G3XBM On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, wrote: Hi Roger, Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can = fire up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on = 600m.=20 All the Best 73 Ian G4GIR From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: MF WSPR Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back = onto 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery = power as the charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to = the 2m big-wheel (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC = on batteries is S8. I need to lower this. M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go = to WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with = results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on = again! 73s Roger G3XBM ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01D31D21.CB027AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the reply Roger,
 
I am in Bedford, IO92SD.
 
Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going.
 
Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 = Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizontal.
 
Look forward to hearing you on the band.
 
73
 
Ian G4GIR
 
 
From: Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR
 
Thanks Ian,
 
Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX = only.=20 Where are you?
 
73s
Roger G3XBM
 
On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, <i.frith@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi Roger,
 
Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you = can fire=20 up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on = 600m.
 
All the Best
73
Ian G4GIR
 
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Subject: LF: MF WSPR
 
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps = back onto=20 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power = as the=20 charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m = big-wheel=20 (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries = is S8. I=20 need to lower this.
 
M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local = noise.
 
There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes = they go to=20 WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with = results=20 being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on = again!
 
73s
Roger=20 G3XBM
 
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We should be able to work on CW. Hope to be TX again later in the year. 73s Roger G3XBM (Burwell, Cambs JO02dg) On 24 August 2017 at 21:41, wrote: > Thanks for the reply Roger, > > I am in Bedford, IO92SD. > > Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going. > > Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizontal. > > Look forward to hearing you on the band. > > 73 > > Ian G4GIR > > > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: MF WSPR > > Thanks Ian, > > Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX only. > Where are you? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, wrote: > >> Hi Roger, >> >> Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can fire >> up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. >> >> All the Best >> 73 >> Ian G4GIR >> >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: MF WSPR >> >> Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back onto >> 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as = the >> charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-whe= el >> (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is = S8. >> I need to lower this. >> >> M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. >> >> There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go t= o >> WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with >> results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on aga= in! >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> > > --001a113f3360054f920557860ed9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Ian.

We should be ab= le to work on CW. Hope to be TX again later in the year.

73s
Roger G3XBM (Burwell, Cambs JO02dg)=

On 24 August 2017 at 21:41, <i.frith@ntlworld.com> wro= te:
Thanks for the reply Roger,
=C2=A0
I am in Bedford, IO92SD.
=C2=A0
Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going.
=C2=A0
Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizonta= l.
=C2=A0
Look forward to hearing you on the band.
=C2=A0
73
=C2=A0
Ian G4GIR
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Roger Lapthorn <= /div>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR
=C2=A0
Thanks Ian,
=C2=A0
Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX onl= y.=20 Where are you?
=C2=A0
73s
Roger G3XBM
=C2=A0
On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, &l= t;i.frith@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi Roger,
=C2=A0
Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can = fire=20 up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. <= /div>
=C2=A0
All the Best
73
Ian G4GIR
=C2=A0
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: LF: MF WSPR
=C2=A0
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps b= ack onto=20 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as t= he=20 charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-whee= l=20 (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is S= 8. I=20 need to lower this.
=C2=A0
M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise.
=C2=A0
There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they = go to=20 WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with res= ults=20 being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on again!
=C2=A0
73s
Roger=20 G3XBM
=C2=A0

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Hope to be TX again later in the year. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM (Burwell, Cambs JO02dg) > > On 24 August 2017 at 21:41, wrote: > >> Thanks for the reply Roger, >> >> I am in Bedford, IO92SD. >> >> Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going. >> >> Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizontal. >> >> Look forward to hearing you on the band. >> >> 73 >> >> Ian G4GIR >> >> >> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: MF WSPR >> >> Thanks Ian, >> >> Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX only. >> Where are you? >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, wrote: >> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can fir= e >>> up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. >>> >>> All the Best >>> 73 >>> Ian G4GIR >>> >>> *From:* Roger Lapthorn >>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> *Subject:* LF: MF WSPR >>> >>> Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps back ont= o >>> 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as= the >>> charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-wh= eel >>> (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is= S8. >>> I need to lower this. >>> >>> M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise. >>> >>> There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they go >>> to WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems wit= h >>> results being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on ag= ain! >>> >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >>> >> >> > > --001a1135a908d0ce1b055786844b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good WSPR signal here Ian.

7= 3s
Roger G3XBM



On 24 August 2017 at 21:5= 5, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
=
Thanks Ian.

We should be able to work on CW. Hope to be TX again later = in the year.

73s
Roge= r G3XBM (Burwell, Cambs JO02dg)

On= 24 August 2017 at 21:41, <i.frith@ntlworld.com> wrote:<= br>
Thanks for the reply Roger,
=C2=A0
I am in Bedford, IO92SD.
=C2=A0
Ok on RX only, hope you can get something going.
=C2=A0
Running 360W max to an Inv L 40=E2=80=99 Vetical/100=E2=80=99Horizonta= l.
=C2=A0
Look forward to hearing you on the band.
=C2=A0
73
=C2=A0
Ian G4GIR
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Roger Lapthorn <= /div>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: LF: MF WSPR
=C2=A0
Thanks Ian,
=C2=A0
Until I repair my transverter and get a better antenna up, I am RX onl= y.=20 Where are you?
=C2=A0
73s
Roger G3XBM
=C2=A0
On 24 August 2017 at 21:11, &l= t;i.frith@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi Roger,
=C2=A0
Glad to hear you are back on for the new season! Any chance you can = fire=20 up a bit of CW? Would like a QSO with you for a new CW station on 600m. <= /div>
=C2=A0
All the Best
73
Ian G4GIR
=C2=A0
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:44 PM
Subject: LF: MF WSPR
=C2=A0
Thanks to G3WCB's post for the reminder, I took my first steps b= ack onto=20 472kHz WSPR. At the moment I am RX only with the PC on battery power as t= he=20 charger is too noisy. At the moment I am using my coax to the 2m big-whee= l=20 (loaded) as my antenna. My noise floor even with the PC on batteries is S= 8. I=20 need to lower this.
=C2=A0
M0FMT (51km) has been copied several times despite my local noise.
=C2=A0
There was a criticism of Dave posting his WSPR spots here. Yes they = go to=20 WSPRnet where we can all look, but I personally have no problems with res= ults=20 being posted here too - Dave's post certainly got me back on again!
=C2=A0
73s
Roger=20 G3XBM
=C2=A0


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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12455 Joe, Thanks, we will try one-minute integration; were the westward detections of your 137 kHz signal generally comparatively close to your QTH? Nighttime only? 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Hi Jim, I can only guess that a longer integration time may help. The aerial does not radiate well to the west though there have been QRSS60 detections in the US. This uses integration times of oder 10 seconds I think. Thanks Joe On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Hello Joe, > > Data from some key eclipse receivers is being processed; using data > from good receivers in Kansas and Delaware, analysts did not find your > 18:00 UT > 137.777 kHz signal on their first try using 1-second integration time; > could you recommend a better integration time for those two receiver locations? > > Thanks! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:39 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > My pleasure, Jim. > The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Thanks Joe, >> >> Lots of receivers listening. >> >> 73, >> >> Jim AA5BW >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >> jcraig@mun.ca >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the >> 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >>> >>> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ >>> 1-2 kW >> at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, >> broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast >> totality. >>> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >>> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >>> >>> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, >>> VA >>> >>> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from >>> W4DEX >> might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put >> to good use. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim AA5BW >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>> >>> Hi Jim et al. >>> >>> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>>> ... >>>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >>> >>> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation >>> paths from >> NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the >> C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >>> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq= >>> 4 >>> 0 >>> .7KHz >>> >>> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >>> >>> 73 de df3lp, >>> Peter >>> >>> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >>> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 11:59:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7P9xXTq023795 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:59:34 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlBFo-0007Vz-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:50:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlBFn-0007Vq-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:50:15 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlBFj-0001Ci-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:50:14 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4043208FB for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xdxGl2KFNz10Hq for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <599FF2CE.50507@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:50:06 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e04e6b806-c06-9f4@webjas-vab234.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e04e6b806-c06-9f4@webjas-vab234.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: f3d1da032404cd5ad9531631c09e3b44 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070802050500000301050506" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12456 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070802050500000301050506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Markus, VLF, Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages. Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days. I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites. As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester: > Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. > > Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on > 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 > uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions > before the next weekend. > > Best 73, > Markus > > --------------070802050500000301050506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus, VLF,

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

--------------070802050500000301050506-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 15:31:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7PDV8f8024173 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:31:11 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlEcH-0007nx-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:25:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlEcH-0007no-ES for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:25:41 +0100 Received: from omr-m018e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlEcB-0001wu-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:25:40 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.99]) by omr-m018e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 756B83800084 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0261F38000082 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.19.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:25:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:25:30 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <599FF2CE.50507@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120346 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503667531; bh=dfpffxyjQHk4Y7rzPDt/8y8OMAfdYqH1MH9G33CUdU4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UxSgSqJDJkmHh58wEWmTawDK+OK8zsf5gB88X/8bxj0R0RymFcWwIHf0FdhJux+42 4Dd6Vl4LBQ84fo9kB2wGxnd95hb6SdMyOWkeF9GgaaoZXLricbfh+jAlwDyOkuuJpQ AfUJVHms+Rcyxji3QK/ekRFz14T0kV8xNY39BiPU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b016359a0254b4880 X-Scan-Signature: b16f5c37bc0c21b41453c2ac5e65973c Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_64754_1327021460.1503667530670" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12457 ------=_Part_64754_1327021460.1503667530670 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64753_886516575.1503667530670" ------=_Part_64753_886516575.1503667530670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN alr= eady in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still foun= d the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you = could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.9= 88333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. Howev= er I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunder= storms tonight. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hello Markus, VLF, Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidel= berg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbN= aut messages. Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode = the message with 3 stacked days. I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possibl= e on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, e= ven with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequenc= y generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more pu= blic relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF ne= wcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overco= me, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are cer= tainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites. As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenn= a current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 character= s or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470,= albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won= 't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend. Best 73, Markus ------=_Part_64753_886516575.1503667530670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, lik= ely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to= combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the = list, but with deteriorated SNR.

Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz= window in Heidelberg! If you like, you could perhaps shift or split t= he display range to show a slot around 4469.988333 Hz, i.e. the g= ap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. However I won't transmit = today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunderstorms tonight.=

Best 73,
Markus  

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitte= ilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_gro= up <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:= 52
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hello Markus, VLF,

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_G= rabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive= my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

------=_Part_64753_886516575.1503667530670-- ------=_Part_64754_1327021460.1503667530670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=sum_EW_23-24-log.txt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=sum_EW_23-24-log.txt ebnaut-rx V0.7 input file sum_EW_23-24.wav sample rate 0.152413 per second rx frequency 4470 file start time 2017-08-23 14:35:59.440 polynomial 16K21A crc size 6 number of chars 5 block size 36 symbol period 60.000 number of symbols 896 list length 100 start offset 48266.600 freq offset 0.005000 cores 2 skipped 48263.757894 seconds to start initial reference phase -38.1 --------------------------------------------- found L9;G& list rank 53 reference phase 180 180 180 180 carrier S/N 13.95 dB in 18.6 uHz, -33.36 dB in 1Hz, -67.34 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -15.57 dB carrier Eb/N0 -0.60 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 382/896 = 42.634 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -17.6 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -2.6 dB Shannon capacity 2.4 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 80.7 % symbols file sum_EW_23-24-symbols.csv elapsed 8 seconds --------------------------------------------- found PEACE list rank 0 reference phase -60 -60 -60 -60 carrier S/N 14.51 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.80 dB in 1Hz, -66.77 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -15.01 dB carrier Eb/N0 -0.04 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 353/896 = 39.397 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -14.4 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors 0.6 dB Shannon capacity 2.7 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 71.0 % symbols file sum_EW_23-24-symbols.csv elapsed 32 seconds --------------------------------------------- found L9;G& list rank 11 reference phase 150 120 180 150 carrier S/N 14.81 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.50 dB in 1Hz, -66.48 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.72 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.26 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 377/896 = 42.076 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -16.9 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -1.9 dB Shannon capacity 2.9 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 66.4 % symbols file sum_EW_23-24-symbols.csv elapsed 250 seconds ------=_Part_64754_1327021460.1503667530670-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 16:05:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: dmv.com: mailn 1095; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7PE5G5t024225 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 16:05:17 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlF9W-0007wY-HV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:00:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlF9W-0007wP-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:00:02 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlF9R-000254-Ns for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:00:01 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7PDxmmo028034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:29:52 -0230 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:29:48 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <010c01d31d28$1ae6ff80$50b4fe80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> <000001d31c2f$198c1d90$4ca458b0$@comcast.net> <010c01d31d28$1ae6ff80$50b4fe80$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: fb42d311bf65eb51bbb8124890b4f977 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12458 Hi Jim, Daytime receptions in Europe are not uncommon -- to the west they seem to be quite rare. The night receptions were relatively close so its going to be a long shot. Good luck and thanks for your interest. Joe VO1NA On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Joe, > > Thanks, we will try one-minute integration; were the westward detections of > your 137 kHz signal generally comparatively close to your QTH? Nighttime > only? > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:23 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Hi Jim, > > I can only guess that a longer integration time may help. The aerial does > not radiate well to the west though there have been QRSS60 detections in the > US. This uses integration times of oder 10 seconds I think. > > Thanks > Joe > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hello Joe, >> >> Data from some key eclipse receivers is being processed; using data >> from good receivers in Kansas and Delaware, analysts did not find your >> 18:00 UT >> 137.777 kHz signal on their first try using 1-second integration time; >> could you recommend a better integration time for those two receiver > locations? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:39 AM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> My pleasure, Jim. >> The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Thanks Joe, >>> >>> Lots of receivers listening. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim AA5BW >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >>> jcraig@mun.ca >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>> >>> Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the >>> 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. >>> >>> 73 >>> Joe VO1NA >>> >>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >>>> >>>> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ >>>> 1-2 kW >>> at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, >>> broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast >>> totality. >>>> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >>>> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >>>> >>>> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, >>>> VA >>>> >>>> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from >>>> W4DEX >>> might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put >>> to good use. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jim AA5BW >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>>> >>>> Hi Jim et al. >>>> >>>> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >>>> >>>> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation >>>> paths from >>> NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the >>> C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >>>> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq= >>>> 4 >>>> 0 >>>> .7KHz >>>> >>>> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >>>> >>>> 73 de df3lp, >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >>>> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 20:06:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7PI5hJI024609 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:05:44 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlIuM-0008Es-1k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:00:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlIuL-0008Ej-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:00:37 +0100 Received: from smtpq4.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.57.99]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlIuI-0002na-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:00:36 +0100 Received: from [212.54.57.81] (helo=smtp2.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dlIuG-0005rP-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:00:32 +0200 Received: from oxbe22.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net ([172.25.160.153]) by smtp2.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net with bizsmtp id 1W0Y1w00A3JsSD001W0YBQ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:00:32 +0200 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=virginmedia.com Result=Signature OK X-SourceIP: 172.25.160.153 X-Authenticated-User: daveyxm@virginmedia.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:00:30 +0100 (BST) From: DAVE PICK To: rsgb_lf_group , rsgb_lf_group Message-ID: <1427546583.3698420.1503684032839.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe22.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.6.2-Rev60 X-Originating-IP: 212.159.112.45 X-Originating-Client: com.openexchange.ox.gui.dhtml DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=virginmedia.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1503684032; bh=QkWgK4VMqUggtsIjkvCQ+pnfXVBz5i8g+/ux2xWLfLs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject; b=n6we0jCvSwACryFaow5Js2+ArvW4+FM6gcaebDbhutJuiY0fNvXnDALudmkvO5MRV CFQ/2tdR615RWXZD62QqAk6GncIau+hiTnVQW1crxelHYkkvpukYowusdvDs7HePlX h1qpDiS36l9OCEQ+aBHtDkET4YcUc4yMzygdgNAbFRBZ4QIz/h5Jgu/1FGuilJkOA3 Iqc6HPy9VGF8/5AQZs0Jk79/to8HYf/KAPF1FqiLZJxPXboRa7WwtPeb6VDS0xTesV gN//QouvQ0yoiHdIR0aRgVWP+ikOqx9EgGucqx4BkJAQl1jtWsQaI4O8My6z8/+y7/ hT1birujOgJMw== X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: LF: 472kHz from GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3698419_1150506877.1503684030329" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12459 ------=_Part_3698419_1150506877.1503684030329 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all Judging by the WSPR reports the signals are getting out so I'll try calling in CW this evening on 472.8 from about 1900 utc. I hope the static isn't too loud! 73 Dave GM3YXM ------=_Part_3698419_1150506877.1503684030329 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dear all


Judging by the WSPR reports the signals are getting out so I'll try calling in CW this evening on 472.8 from about 1900 utc.

I hope the static isn't too loud!


73

Dave GM3YXM

------=_Part_3698419_1150506877.1503684030329-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 20:08:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7PI8BA7024617 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:12 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlIyQ-0008Ij-1n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:04:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlIyP-0008IX-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:04:49 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlIyN-0002q0-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 19:04:48 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DD9E20B84 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:04:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xf8FR4KLFzyvF for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:04:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:04:42 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010600020906020107040600" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12460 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010600020906020107040600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > > no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased > QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th > and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is constant now. This is an improvement. Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very relevant on that 67 km band. 73, Stefan --------------010600020906020107040600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR.

Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is constant now. This is an improvement.
Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very relevant on that 67 km band.

73, Stefan
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Looking for u now dave

De mal/kev

 

 

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From: <= /b>DAVE PICK
Sent: 25 August 2017 19:05
To: rsgb_lf_group; rsgb_lf_group
Subject: LF: 472kHz from GM

 

Dear all

 

=

Judging by the WSPR reports the signals are getting out so I'll try call= ing in CW this evening on 472.8 from about 1900 utc.

I hope the stati= c isn't too loud!

 

73

Dave GM3YXM

 

= --_B6B46895-D399-47A4-BB70-409A767E6FFE_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Aug 25 22:36:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7PKa32L024814 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:36:05 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlLFk-0000CD-0u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:30:52 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlLFj-0000C4-Hx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:30:51 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlLFg-0003AE-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:30:50 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AP0hGdSR2Kj3s9YqkZ5j8sLllGnHOqeC9VEVmorFkFQ=; b=Hin48WgWvDB/djPP4qK+9wYzI1 67kboPTIl+hUM+r5lGPFf+Re8+yfmedvmOrouXRfGnSxsneIuNpCI7ScftWIjkK+dTxp2oPyG6OAC TkFXbLcmkT6+RYOscLG+RQYO2CypgFW6VJ+B9PTKKbs4L4Y/dfS6KRAI2O5nmxKFK4qk=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:36426 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlLFe-00036v-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:30:46 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48C74008AC for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:30:45 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:30:45 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: bb61bee384896e075004ae5ec954ddd2 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12462 Stefan wrote: > As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, > i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA A poor signal today, and not detectable yesterday. Eb/N0 each day, measured by correlation with the known message: ebnaut options -f15 -f16 -M 23rd -6.2 dB 24th -16.8 dB 25th -9.2 dB The -16.8 dB on the 24th is effectively random noise, no detectable signal. Stacking 23rd and 25th gives -5.6 dB. Some way to go yet, unless we get a quiet day or two. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 26 11:56:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7Q9tswb025927 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:55:56 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlXff-0000uj-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:46:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlXfe-0000ua-6d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:46:26 +0100 Received: from omr-m001e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlXfY-0004WB-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:46:24 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.143]) by omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id AF11D3800091 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-mae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6480E38000082 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vad144.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.35.147) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:46:17 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e1def4f0a-c09-fe65@webjas-vad144.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503740777; bh=e+VKEslSYs4a0pXv2ZS7hsHSskpftJKU6nn5Ap3k6Xs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jq4Bjc/Om28YN+zEBabJI3RugHTdNeiNgBSvkM2q43r3LSYMhVDF7DBo6Q0V9NYPA RupntMXQBinmvysuIDivgm01c4saaNqJUb5ucRsRUM76WShosLFemD2HnYTvIL+P3i ECg6I1Q0qytAuBigAbqa+6E5c7EV8B8mxz5wLLpg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe8f59a143694837 X-Scan-Signature: c1dcf088149efa0360827745859da381 Subject: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_78138_291359895.1503740776202" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12463 ------=_Part_78138_291359895.1503740776202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN alr= eady in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still foun= d the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you = could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.9= 88333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. Howev= er I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunder= storms tonight. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hello Markus, VLF, Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidel= berg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbN= aut messages. Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode = the message with 3 stacked days. I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possibl= e on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, e= ven with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequenc= y generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more pu= blic relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF ne= wcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overco= me, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are cer= tainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites. As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenn= a current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 character= s or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470,= albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won= 't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend. Best 73, Markus ------=_Part_78138_291359895.1503740776202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna= current 0.17 A.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BC= ngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>=
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: F= r, 25. Aug 2017 15:25
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut= test

Hi Stefan,

no= decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN alrea= dy in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found = the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR.
Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like= , you could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot ar= ound 4469.988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center = frequency. However I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background = and predicted thunderstorms tonight.

Best 73,
Markus  <= br>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rs= gb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52
Betreff:= Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hello Markus, VLF,

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7= FC_VLF_Grabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive= my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

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[82.70.254.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 40sm9101528wrz.8.2017.08.26.02.49.29 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:49:28 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1450884.20170826104928@gmail.com> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: LF: Slightly off topic. 2 channel TFT scopes?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12464 Hello LFER's Does anyone know of a standalone TFT screen 2 channel scope? I want to build a "Scopematch" display into my LF rig, rather than using one of my main mains powered scopes. Something i could build into the front panel? What frequency and bandwidth would be adequate, it would be nice to be able to switch inputs to see gate and drain waveforms of the Class D amp, too. Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris mailto:dead.fets@gmail.com From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 26 13:03:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7QB2hh6026028 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:02:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlYn9-00019f-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:58:15 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlYn9-00019W-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:58:15 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlYn5-0004lH-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:58:14 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C64D2099D for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:58:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xfZkl5xZmzyrx for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:58:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A1543F.4080604@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 12:58:07 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1def4f0a-c09-fe65@webjas-vad144.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e1def4f0a-c09-fe65@webjas-vad144.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020307040307080400080905" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12465 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020307040307080400080905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus, Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.9883333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 Hz ? :-) Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noisy again. That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the ionosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenna. What will happen? 73, Good luck. Stefan PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can already decide between a false and a correct decode Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester: > Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A. > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Markus Vester > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > > Hi Stefan, > > no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased > QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th > and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. > > Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, > you could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot > around 4469.988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut > center frequency. However I won't transmit today, due to high QRN > background and predicted thunderstorms tonight. > > Best 73, > Markus > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > > An: rsgb_lf_group > > Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > > Hello Markus, VLF, > > Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html > Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. > You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the > EbNaut messages. > Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. > Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can > decode the message with 3 stacked days. > I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only > possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to > transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil > and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. > Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information > and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical > number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a > self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a > new valuable contribution to the RX sites. > > As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the > antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe > 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... > > 73, Stefan > > Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester: > > Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. > > Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal > on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 > uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime > transmissions before the next weekend. > > Best 73, > Markus > > --------------020307040307080400080905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Markus,

Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.9883333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 Hz ? :-)
Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noisy again.

That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the ionosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenna. What will happen?

73, Good luck.
Stefan

PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can already decide between a false and a correct decode


Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester:
Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR.

Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. However I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunderstorms tonight.

Best 73,
Markus  

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hello Markus, VLF,

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

--------------020307040307080400080905-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 26 14:40:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7QCeTXM026112 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:40:30 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlaJq-0001JV-JV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:36:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlaJp-0001JM-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:36:05 +0100 Received: from omr-a005e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.50]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlaJl-00051Y-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:36:04 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.80]) by omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id CA11B38000B7 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-aan02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2C76238000081 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vab104.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:35:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:35:58 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e1e8aa4fc-c0a-14dfb@webjas-vab104.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <59A1543F.4080604@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503750958; bh=Utdy8hIOZM9nlS7nEgSC3lYPqNKvYt+4KarEap9+Zj0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=klY5HZOFVLzMYMKlvNIwH0I7IdDTt5VZKIK8JubGriv5FaId8Hm0b9Hnwxa1GGPn7 1lT7C9tn2Py4ait9YXkeqR82KP+HqvVmIRERhQLj+kAfoDZhpPzd1//+snc9xmcRSP +HFNpv1ivbcZD/Dk8mf4/ciaBKLbH/yOlO5sh374= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b135059a16b2e55a4 X-Scan-Signature: dbfcc27a21e9e888d454ffd0e5adf99c Subject: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_103156_181997568.1503750956284" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12466 ------=_Part_103156_181997568.1503750956284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, the number entered into the signal generator is 4469.98833330000, i.e. 1/30= uHz below nominal 1/3. Can you tell the difference? If I would go on trans= mitting forever it would accumulatre to approximately one cycle per year. H= owever in reality it would not, because the phase is pulled back on track b= y SpecLab's midnight reset. Good traces on the DL0AO grabber already, but reaching Heidelberg will be a= much longer shot. I think the minima from your PSK are deep enough, as lon= g as the QRN doesn't activate the noiseblanker too often. Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 26. Aug 2017 13:00 Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Hello Markus,=20 Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.988333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 3333333333333333333333333333333333333 Hz ? :-) Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. = I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several = more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noi= sy again. That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1= 600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the i= onosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenn= a. What will happen? 73, Good luck. Stefan PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can alr= eady decide between a false and a correct decode Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN al= ready in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still fou= nd the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you= could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.= 988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. Howe= ver I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunde= rstorms tonight. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hello Markus, VLF, Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidel= berg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbN= aut messages. Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode = the message with 3 stacked days. I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possibl= e on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, e= ven with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequenc= y generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more pu= blic relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF ne= wcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overco= me, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are cer= tainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites. As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenn= a current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 character= s or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470,= albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won= 't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend. Best 73, Markus ------=_Part_103156_181997568.1503750956284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

the number entered into the signal gen= erator is 4469.98833330000, i.e. 1/30 uHz below nominal 1/3. Can you t= ell the difference? If I would go on transmitting forever it would acc= umulatre to approximately one cycle per year. However in rea= lity it would not, because the phase is pulled back on = track by SpecLab's midnight reset.

Good traces on the DL0AO gra= bber already, but reaching Heidelberg will be a much longer shot. I think t= he minima from your PSK are deep enough, as long as the QRN doesn't activat= e the noiseblanker too often.

Markus
 


-----Urspr= =C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>=
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: S= a, 26. Aug 2017 13:00
Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz
Hello Markus,

Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.9883333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333 Hz ? :-)
Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noisy again.

That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the ionosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenna. What will happen?

73, Good luck.
Stefan

PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can already decide between a false and a correct decode


Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester:
Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <m= arkusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group
Hello Markus, VLF,

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaef= er_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive= my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
Markus

------=_Part_103156_181997568.1503750956284-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 26 19:36:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7QHaS3x026567 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:36:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlev5-0001bF-GL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:30:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlev4-0001b6-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:30:50 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlev0-0005f6-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:30:49 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id leundb0XiWjl0leuudNrGI; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:30:40 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1503768640; bh=WswMKWMV65ToJiTke7znDXtFpXeusXCGpRVKH2iBopQ=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=mkxi8DSeMvQoUvii3c4CDcHcSj4POUB9QkrCYRLur+UGFECT4H3ktYDkS0eQhAaoD F+3UVFMcxZaHkBne0Fhf0yfgV80ns4Am+X0l0WCTKldZzUWP8sDX2A4p5hkAaM9fZY b4Ng4E5nqIW67ql9kns1Q6zEMEd10YoJ/BHh1uZbmMG/aoCZU5BxDPs1WKnFNjniFt IFmGMx4P9q+9WY7FHXA7uYpGBINWIfhv/nVqy5BRA+lUkJUNFBUJ1S8hAsY0ezTij6 NU6l3iLme1IjQGThO5ZD6EbBYzG8NUaGJ72IrVouIXiYu67FYme+kWoeLZLk/HktLM Qm5hlyGmEwoxg== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:78f6:dd:b547:d008]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id leusdBMPxkXHoleutd7qGk; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:30:39 +0000 From: To: References: <04ba01d2fe36$1deb1380$59c13a80$@comcast.net> <041664b9-6936-16e0-07d2-f5bada648319@df3lp.de> <060e01d3195a$88781b00$99685100$@comcast.net> <068f01d31a2a$33dd8320$9b988960$@comcast.net> <000001d31c2f$198c1d90$4ca458b0$@comcast.net> <010c01d31d28$1ae6ff80$50b4fe80$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 13:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: <024301d31e91$0758d5f0$160a81d0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDF/IyaMvCBnw86Go5x/QMkUP55VAG5cn3QAawB5RMCEIpWLAJCLUJtAbb+81UBvf000QJ2vRmfAxmaz9UCCk+WwQHDAuWdpAzNwfA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfEvRK0jYdkE9kZWuETR8fW9GIaa7+Czb21KZihp3NJjrOfmfCiHEJX0htUPsN75XRuFNR0PsyGKtWlvF1Urq+RqZPi4RsHU5nTQs4XaAr5BJz7RSrTRV rqLbugiIl2Sh9eee4W9ekX0lI5l5gWBaVs0= X-Scan-Signature: cbf9d9751ac5f32708197d03fa6d8d74 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12467 Joe, Thanks! Signals from your QTH to receivers on the other side of the eclipse path will have a broad peak in time, which accommodates long integration times. Based on your comments below, we'll start with a (long) integration time that accommodates the nominal amplitude rise/fall time associated with your QTH. I'll send phase/amplitude plots when they're ready; thanks for providing the signal! 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 10:00 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment Hi Jim, Daytime receptions in Europe are not uncommon -- to the west they seem to be quite rare. The night receptions were relatively close so its going to be a long shot. Good luck and thanks for your interest. Joe VO1NA On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > Joe, > > Thanks, we will try one-minute integration; were the westward > detections of your 137 kHz signal generally comparatively close to > your QTH? Nighttime only? > > 73, > > Jim AA5BW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:23 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment > > Hi Jim, > > I can only guess that a longer integration time may help. The aerial > does not radiate well to the west though there have been QRSS60 > detections in the US. This uses integration times of oder 10 seconds I think. > > Thanks > Joe > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hello Joe, >> >> Data from some key eclipse receivers is being processed; using data >> from good receivers in Kansas and Delaware, analysts did not find >> your >> 18:00 UT >> 137.777 kHz signal on their first try using 1-second integration >> time; could you recommend a better integration time for those two >> receiver > locations? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >> jcraig@mun.ca >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:39 AM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >> >> My pleasure, Jim. >> The carrier was switched off at 0935 this morning. >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Thanks Joe, >>> >>> Lots of receivers listening. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim AA5BW >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >>> jcraig@mun.ca >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:34 PM >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>> >>> Transmitting a carrier on 137.777 kHz +- a few ppb 4 Amps to the >>> 10x100m RL for the next 1.5 days or until something fails. >>> >>> 73 >>> Joe VO1NA >>> >>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, hvanesce@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> Unofficial EclipseMob update: >>>> >>>> Dixon will warm up starting ~ 06:45 Pacific Time, ramping ERP to ~ >>>> 1-2 kW >>> at 55.500 kHz and ~ 3-4 kW at 135.950 kHz by 07:30 Pacific Time, >>> broadcasting MSK 101010..., until one or two hours after East Coast >>> totality. >>>> Dixon frequency may wander slightly. >>>> Comparing Dixon signal to WWVB signal could be interesting. >>>> >>>> Dixon 55.500 kHz signal field strength could be ~ 40 fT in Forest, >>>> VA >>>> >>>> A 137 kHz signal from VO1NA, or Warren, or an LF or VLF signal from >>>> W4DEX >>> might be captured and saved by a record number of receivers, and put >>> to good use. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jim AA5BW >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:00 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: LF: Re: Eclipse Experiment >>>> >>>> Hi Jim et al. >>>> >>>> On 16.07.2017 15:18, Jim wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>> (b) any before/during/after data from stable receivers ... >>>> >>>> There is a slight chance to observe effects via the propagation >>>> paths from >>> NAU, NAA or NML to Europe. Especially NAU looks promising since the >>> C-flare from 2017-07-15, ~1940 utc, could be observed quite well here. >>>> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/plot_channel.cgi?date=17-07-15&freq >>>> = >>>> 4 >>>> 0 >>>> .7KHz >>>> >>>> Good luck to all EclipseMob members! >>>> >>>> 73 de df3lp, >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> PS: chart from 1999-08-11 eclipse: >>>> http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/eclipse/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Aug 26 20:22:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7QIMfYJ026636 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:22:42 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dlfaX-0001iP-Ip for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:13:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dlfaX-0001iG-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:13:41 +0100 Received: from omr-a015e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dlfaR-0005lA-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:13:39 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.15]) by omr-a015e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 837BA3800047 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9743B38000081 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vae218.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.23.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:13:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:13:32 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e1fbfb923-c0a-159ad@webjas-vae218.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e1e8aa4fc-c0a-14dfb@webjas-vab104.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120369 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503771213; bh=/zcG8IwchnL/UviDdyUH48ur95lBEiCbx3cpY9UjVRM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=btjHZ3EQvMULe0YH/shQnKN/nLXDakMWVyfUjUQDT4UH92HlvrjZDy2wcVeNhVHU/ ZdN2jrr4xI/oQ0yEIbYc3XKZyLJqnW4dMVnh2V24hudGrR6BYxhHkD7tnB3DPm/MJ+ yzlBn602CLht9VuaJiMxtBVVtAmF+qwME7UTm3eI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc0f59a1ba4c2661 X-Scan-Signature: a0f46fbe63374a47005781d602fd7e9e Subject: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_106058_1489034413.1503771212066" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12468 ------=_Part_106058_1489034413.1503771212066 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_106057_773982585.1503771212066" ------=_Part_106057_773982585.1503771212066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There seems to be a peak on the right frequency but not much above the nois= e. QRN has been building up this afternoon, and I have switched off the car= rier now at 18 UT. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 26. Aug 2017 14:35 Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Hi Stefan, the number entered into the signal generator is 4469.98833330000, i.e. 1/30= uHz below nominal 1/3. Can you tell the difference? If I would go on trans= mitting forever it would accumulatre to approximately one cycle per year. H= owever in reality it would not, because the phase is pulled back on track b= y SpecLab's midnight reset. Good traces on the DL0AO grabber already, but reaching Heidelberg will be a= much longer shot. I think the minima from your PSK are deep enough, as lon= g as the QRN doesn't activate the noiseblanker too often. Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 26. Aug 2017 13:00 Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz Hello Markus,=20 Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.988333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 3333333333333333333333333333333333333 Hz ? :-) Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. = I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several = more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noi= sy again. That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1= 600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the i= onosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenn= a. What will happen? 73, Good luck. Stefan PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can alr= eady decide between a false and a correct decode Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN al= ready in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still fou= nd the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you= could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.= 988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut center frequency. Howe= ver I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunde= rstorms tonight. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Hello Markus, VLF, Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidel= berg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel. You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbN= aut messages. Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time. Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode = the message with 3 stacked days. I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possibl= e on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, e= ven with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequenc= y generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more pu= blic relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF ne= wcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overco= me, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are cer= tainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites. As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenn= a current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 character= s or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now... 73, Stefan Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km. Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive my signal on 4470,= albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won= 't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend. Best 73, Markus ------=_Part_106057_773982585.1503771212066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There seems to be a peak on the right frequency but = ;not much above the noise. QRN has been building up this afternoon, an= d I have switched off the carrier now at 18 UT.

Best 73,
Markus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester &l= t;markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 26. Aug 2017 14:35
Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.0= 05 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz

Hi Stefan,

th= e number entered into the signal generator is 4469.98833330000, i.e. 1= /30 uHz below nominal 1/3. Can you tell the difference? If I would go on tr= ansmitting forever it would accumulatre to approximately one = ;cycle per year. However in reality it would not, because th= e phase is pulled back on track by SpecLab's midnight reset.=

Good traces on the DL0AO grabber already, but reaching Heidelberg w= ill be a much longer shot. I think the minima from your PSK are deep enough= , as long as the QRN doesn't activate the noiseblanker too often.

Ma= rkus
 


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: = DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de<= /a>>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 26. Aug 2017 = 13:00
Betreff: Re: VLF: 4470.005 Hz + 4469.9883333 Hz

Hello Markus,

Are you on 4469.9883333 or on 4469.9883333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333= 333333 Hz ? :-)
Sorry, it looks like my nulls in the spectrum are not as low as expected. I would stop my transmission on that band but it looks like i need several more days to reach a proper SNR on Pauls side. Last night has been very noisy again.

That leads me to the question if there can be a propagation advantage on 1600 Hz, which triggers the resonator between earth and the D layer of the ionosphere at night? Probably we can't expect much from an E field TX antenna. What will happen?

73, Good luck.
Stefan

PS: Increased from 150 mA to 155 mA here, about 0.3 dB more, which can already decide between a false and a correct decode


Am 26.08.2017 11:46, schrieb Markus Vester:
Started a carrier on 4469.9883333 Hz since 9:30, antenna current 0.17 A.

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 15:25
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated= SNR.

Thanks for starting the slow 28 uHz window in Heidelberg! If you like, you could perhaps shift or split the display range to show a slot around 4469.988333 Hz, i.e. the gap 16.667 mHz below your EbNaut cente= r frequency. However I won't transmit today, due to high QRN background and predicted thunderstorms tonight.

Best 73,
Markus  

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&g= t;
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 11:52
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

Hello Markus, VLF,=

Now there is a 28 uHz Spectrogram on my grabber, http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg= .de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber2.html
Scroll rate is 2 hours per pixel.
You can see my own carrier on 4470.005 Hz which is running between the EbNaut messages.
Currently the EbNaut message is running for the 3rd time.
Yesterday it was quite noisy again. I'm curious to see if Paul can decode the message with 3 stacked days.
I find that most fascinating! Stacking daily transmissions is only possible on VLF (or ULF/ELF probably?). So everyone could try to transmit there, even with an 'average' LF transmit antenna. The coil and the stable frequency generation seems to be the problem however. Actually we need some more public relations, more spread information and motivation for potential VLF newcomers. As soon as a critical number of TX and RX stations has been overcome, it can be a self-running movement. The RX capabilities of DL0AO are certainly a new valuable contribution to the RX sites.

As soon as the message is decoded on Pauls side, i want to rise the antenna current to 170 mA (~ + 1 dB) and try a longer message, maybe 20 characters or so. There is enough time to run the experiment now...

73, Stefan

Am 21.08.2017 15:06, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks Stefan! Distance between DF6NM and DL0AO is 48 km.

Yes a slow window from your tree might possibly receive= my signal on 4470, albeit marginally, with perhaps 10 to 12 dB in 31 uHz. Unfortunately I won't be able to do long daytime transmissions before the next weekend.

Best 73,
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188.192.44.165 by webjas-vaa018.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.33.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 27 Aug 2017 05:05:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 05:05:40 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e22f07cc0-c10-16e0a@webjas-vaa018.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120369 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1503824741; bh=OYLAjiW25x9MDqa+Uhwy894BWUtCWzZTM+TrAHHquUQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GmXaPc+rYRKX2FsPP+/VFHEll8C6EeGcxol5Q+8YwavrNd4FRbujXAQ8GDmOq1nLJ jboUO58ndaE0qn1ecBt2I+r+MdIDg5LJKOW+VdTsMsNpg5Wq/W0yvC7zZMdktxSg8R ErKx9Lc6nFbo6acOJfcSgR9ja+I+r1ifUWqd5pm0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32b059a28b647845 X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_111936_2030192660.1503824739520" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12469 ------=_Part_111936_2030192660.1503824739520 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111935_599068395.1503824739520" ------=_Part_111935_599068395.1503824739520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No correct results from the 25th and 26th either. I didn't try more stackin= g because adding in noisy days seemed to make things worse rather than bett= er. The best decode was the one from the 23rd alone, EW antenna (log attach= ed). Best 73, Markus PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer apparently crashes when trying to show = details of a wav file with "zero" nominal samplerate. =20 PS2: Your receiver on the tree seems to have gone off yesterday night. -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 20:06 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN al= ready in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still fou= nd the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is co= nstant now. This is an improvement. Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a = few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very releva= nt on that 67 km band. 73, Stefan ------=_Part_111935_599068395.1503824739520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No correct results from the 25th and 26th either. I didn= 't try more stacking because adding in noisy days seemed to make thing= s worse rather than better. The best decode was the one from the = 23rd alone, EW antenna (log attached).

Best 73,
Markus
PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer apparently crashes when trying to sho= w details of a wav file with "zero" nominal samplerate.  PS2: Your receiver on the tree seems to have gone off yesterday night= .

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Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated= SNR.

Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is constant now. This is an improvement.
Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very relevant on that 67 km band.

73, Stefan

------=_Part_111935_599068395.1503824739520-- ------=_Part_111936_2030192660.1503824739520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=EW08230531-log.txt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=EW08230531-log.txt ebnaut-rx V0.7 input file EW08230531.wav sample rate 0.152413 per second rx frequency 4470 file start time 2017-08-22 14:35:59.540 polynomial 16K21A crc size 6 number of chars 5 block size 36 symbol period 60.000 number of symbols 896 list length 100 start offset 48266.600 freq offset 0.005000 cores 2 skipped 48263.757894 seconds to start initial reference phase 35.9 --------------------------------------------- found GGY.M list rank 19 reference phase 0 0 0 0 carrier S/N 13.13 dB in 18.6 uHz, -34.17 dB in 1Hz, -68.15 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -16.39 dB carrier Eb/N0 -1.42 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 379/896 = 42.299 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -17.2 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors -2.2 dB Shannon capacity 2.0 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 97.2 % symbols file EW08230531-symbols.csv elapsed 13 seconds --------------------------------------------- found PEACE list rank 0 reference phase -150 -150 -150 -150 carrier S/N 14.87 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.43 dB in 1Hz, -66.41 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.65 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.32 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 353/896 = 39.397 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -14.4 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors 0.6 dB Shannon capacity 2.9 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 65.4 % symbols file EW08230531-symbols.csv elapsed 44 seconds --------------------------------------------- found PEACE list rank 0 reference phase -120 -120 -150 -150 carrier S/N 14.90 dB in 18.6 uHz, -32.41 dB in 1Hz, -66.39 dB in 2.5kHz carrier Es/N0 -14.63 dB carrier Eb/N0 0.35 dB info bit period 1886.32 seconds symbol error rate 351/896 = 39.174 % Es/N0 from symbol errors -14.2 dB Eb/N0 from symbol errors 0.8 dB Shannon capacity 2.9 bits/hour Shannon efficiency 65.1 % symbols file EW08230531-symbols.csv elapsed 168 seconds ------=_Part_111936_2030192660.1503824739520-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Aug 27 22:24:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; 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rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12470 Daily Eb/N0: 23rd -6.2 dB 24th -16.8 dB 25th -9.2 dB 26th -10.3 dB 27th -9.8 dB Combined is -5dB but if I leave out 24th we get -3.7 dB. No other combination improves on that. I tried a 'known phase' decode with the appropriate optimum list, I took the reference phase from your 2 daytime carriers. But not there yet. One good day would do it. The conditions on the first day of carrier were the best we've seen, it has been noisy since then. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 00:54:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7RMrpQA028510 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 00:53:53 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dm6Mw-0004ay-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 23:49:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dm6Mv-0004ap-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 23:49:25 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dm6Ms-0000hs-P8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 23:49:24 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7RMnBoJ000519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 20:19:15 -0230 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 20:19:11 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 1f795a2ee1ecd56682b47ad11969b3d3 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12471 Off at ~1600 utc today. 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Joe VO1NA On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, jcraig@mun.ca wrote: > Testing the coil amp and dds in anticipation of experimentation > this fall and winter. 8 uW. > > Unfortunately it is undisciplined so QRG is +- a few ppb until the > NE0-7M gps module arrives. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 11:19:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7S9JhZI029623 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:19:45 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmG4D-0005Hx-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:10:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmG4C-0005Hm-UN; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:10:44 +0100 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmG4A-0001u7-7A; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:10:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.21] ([178.142.102.117]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdHeL-1d3suH0yJN-00iTMZ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:10:40 +0200 From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: "owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Cc: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 09:10:39 +0000 Message-Id: User-Agent: eM_Client/7.0.28822.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hEtvghRvRgrWyG5gfDFULYUqurlzY9aR4jiQWXIzWzURX3Sf+xu ubhLxt+d1bo8n6FCwdXA41kgtlHE7M7mEuJStEuZgRNDP4JCOmoYpPdd5WIBVPI+JqdyS3o fHUspIdLaBzoQH/Mr6tfUbt6UPtd+JgPFHB6s1qZYiU09dXuy8KBYjX6WkkAC42Xy8l4e3W 8W5Rz/+nBs4cuqHQA+48w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:eWcBwhwOKWk=:gyZsqA6x+qChPS3N7Pg4C8 eyvwh8E6TlEkNmXVLAgyqjisNpvQ3vd2AnWiajS7A1hZB8eOLft8oAaJ+hvj0awTbSCD2WHo3 gB5kDgc0+Hr/DfWAcl3BSlDKLYnncMeJ4i1t/0WjjPvaaLoJ6BGs08P8Nbg8PIkDHQTyrZQOh kWkl76+xVkSwsIo5EdDhdLu09FNMPjNyOXxcUKbVoyX97+hWwX1DswHndcMLL08VSX7CRScw3 sOSIeJLva2B4Uj7N+XXrRJvvN6WrCdeWEpLIuJbm3LDZ8KNWAlUt1+Ph5JyfnRWfSXlQxrgXq 4EVz4N+OX9K5iqXlCyvFukmFYxoE8DCeOWOzTfFG+xTrDQbcVxMQL0AJeIGKsgUuSJz5ej9wj o+cK8us9JOTQayFExbB+OMPj+l8K9GJe7Amewvz3mvhPjKuXNZ5RH8KerumvCB0Kn/cULEVmN +84HrnbZJeD+mPJFXzzVzqte3IoLgvmTK37/gOni+jh114p611CQn5KkbpX5LmdPGxCcqTK8V cHNzRrA4moZw3mNJlZstSgVOAWqc5wb0fFN/OgiKbmxcGuMxAWUnY037lkoyAAR0V5lLta/5x QxI6N2rV5aCgJNk3iwDiH/Kusf/oXHHxugMl8p9g162INI72Ie/n+lKn1JC8eNIFpzd+fFUf3 VWw6Q5beZoUlDa4GvnvYLNxcTNP4+3+82dhd+KvZp2ZLXHVcOOOsIEW34umdA+DK9SvwvcoGm 0EC8hdiV1exUNeP9/7Ke/UbxCgyvJjTDw6d+SK4FTC0I2uqS5PjDkY40BuCh9Lq8CQdGcTpUO ThI1HVLybREd8zAk9qPyulWCnQPQvI2CAXYFzCQpj0i8J9NriI= X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: LF: =?utf-8?q?Ger=c3=a4tebeschreibungen?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MBE0DE57F7-AD84-45E4-A5FD-1CB8BD4F7699" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12472 --------=_MBE0DE57F7-AD84-45E4-A5FD-1CB8BD4F7699 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Die Seefahrtsschule in Bremen r=C3=A4umt auf Es sind eine Unmenge von Ger=C3=A4tebeschreibungen vorhanden. 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--------=_MBE0DE57F7-AD84-45E4-A5FD-1CB8BD4F7699-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 12:43:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SAhnIe029735 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:43:51 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmHIC-0005Xz-Tv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:29:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmHIC-0005Xq-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:29:16 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmHI9-0002BA-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:29:15 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4415B20E31 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xgp0R3P7wz10HW for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:29:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A3F077.7020408@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:29:11 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A3EDA0.8070208@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59A3EDA0.8070208@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz considerations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050809000306010901010608" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12473 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050809000306010901010608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried to see a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks or so. But now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / 101 km. On the 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but probably we are far away from these dips shown in the plots provided by Jim. Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC: > > It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to > see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit > the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to > stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly. > One day we may need to do that on *970 Hz*! I'm working on the next > QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good > results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another > 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by > 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see > something at DL0AO however! Most exciting! > Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 > days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's > just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with > an E field antenna, also during noisy days. > Markus, what do you think? > Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would > give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations. > I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna > current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the > impossible, beyond our garden fences! --------------050809000306010901010608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried to see a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks or so. But now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / 101 km. On the 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but probably we are far away from these dips shown in the plots provided by Jim.

Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC:

It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly.
One day we may need to do that on 970 Hz! I'm working on the next QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most exciting!
Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field antenna, also during noisy days.
Markus, what do you think?
Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations.
I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond our garden fences!
--------------050809000306010901010608-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 12:44:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SAhnIf029735 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:43:57 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmH6b-0005RZ-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:17:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmH6b-0005RQ-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:17:17 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmH6Y-000287-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:17:16 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB14D20E00 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:17:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xgnkZ5Q76z10JJ for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A3EDA0.8070208@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:17:04 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: b2000330e4064ca60a9f57e731b892da Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz considerations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020308020208050405080000" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12474 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020308020208050405080000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Markus, thanks for the good work. It is interesting to see the combioned SNR building up in these very noisy days. On a quiet winter day we could decode the message in a single day maybe. If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise background relative to the other days or the days where i sent the carrier? Also thanks Markus for trying to get further results from stacking the daily transmissions. It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly. One day we may need to do that on *970 Hz*! I'm working on the next QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most exciting! Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field antenna, also during noisy days. Markus, what do you think? Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations. I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond our garden fences! 73, Stefan Am 27.08.2017 22:13, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Daily Eb/N0: > > 23rd -6.2 dB > 24th -16.8 dB > 25th -9.2 dB > 26th -10.3 dB > 27th -9.8 dB > > Combined is -5dB but if I leave out 24th we get -3.7 dB. > No other combination improves on that. > > I tried a 'known phase' decode with the appropriate optimum > list, I took the reference phase from your 2 daytime carriers. > > But not there yet. One good day would do it. The conditions > on the first day of carrier were the best we've seen, it has > been noisy since then. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------020308020208050405080000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul, Markus,

thanks for the good work. It is interesting to see the combioned SNR building up in these very noisy days.
On a quiet winter day we could decode the message in a single day maybe.

If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise background relative to the other days or the days where i sent the carrier?

Also thanks Markus for trying to get further results from stacking the daily transmissions.

It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly.
One day we may need to do that on 970 Hz! I'm working on the next QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most exciting!
Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field antenna, also during noisy days.
Markus, what do you think?
Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations.
I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond our garden fences!

73, Stefan


Am 27.08.2017 22:13, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Daily Eb/N0:

 23rd  -6.2 dB
 24th -16.8 dB
 25th  -9.2 dB
 26th -10.3 dB
 27th  -9.8 dB

Combined is -5dB but if I leave out 24th we get -3.7 dB.
No other combination improves on that.

I tried a 'known phase' decode with the appropriate optimum
list, I took the reference phase from your 2 daytime carriers.

But not there yet.  One good day would do it.   The conditions
on the first day of carrier were the best we've seen, it has
been noisy since then.

--
Paul Nicholson
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--------------020308020208050405080000-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 13:25:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=4 Fuz1=4 Fuz2=4 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SBPQhB029812 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:25:27 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmHd1-0005fm-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:50:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmHd1-0005fd-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:50:47 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmHcy-0002Hj-8z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 11:50:45 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B2C20BE3 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xgpTH1GfZz10HZ for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A3F582.30109@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:50:42 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A3EDA0.8070208@posteo.de> <59A3F077.7020408@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59A3F077.7020408@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 69d86b33142413363dd56bd312139bf4 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz considerations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000303090005030907070408" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12475 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000303090005030907070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PPS: Sorry, i was wrong. Stacking 2 days means (up to) 3 dB. So we need 16 days for 12 dB. About 8 months to reach DL0AO. That's maybe a bit much. I need more power... Am 28.08.2017 12:29, schrieb DK7FC: > PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried > to see a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks > or so. But now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / > 101 km. On the 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but > probably we are far away from these dips shown in the plots provided > by Jim. > > Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC: >> >> It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to >> see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit >> the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to >> stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly. >> One day we may need to do that on *970 Hz*! I'm working on the next >> QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good >> results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another >> 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by >> 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see >> something at DL0AO however! Most exciting! >> Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 >> days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's >> just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance >> with an E field antenna, also during noisy days. >> Markus, what do you think? >> Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would >> give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations. >> I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna >> current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the >> impossible, beyond our garden fences! --------------000303090005030907070408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PPS: Sorry, i was wrong. Stacking 2 days means (up to) 3 dB. So we need 16 days for 12 dB. About 8 months to reach DL0AO. That's maybe a bit much. I need more power...

Am 28.08.2017 12:29, schrieb DK7FC:
PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried to see a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks or so. But now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / 101 km. On the 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but probably we are far away from these dips shown in the plots provided by Jim.

Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC:

It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly.
One day we may need to do that on 970 Hz! I'm working on the next QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most exciting!
Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field antenna, also during noisy days.
Markus, what do you think?
Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations.
I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond our garden fences!
--------------000303090005030907070408-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 19:31:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SHVkLM030441 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:31:48 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmNmm-0006DT-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:25:16 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmNml-0006DK-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:25:15 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmNmh-0003NN-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:25:14 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+A0b/PlXId5/7zzgQVge+VgSxTCOkTpk441M1PEg3kk=; b=TXDlwxpy+744XDgoLfd6TD4BDz YOCsVWlfXUnf9of4X7O1cq2epyX1IyImcUGoEDE3WqeAfrk8BOpumnUfEhowZR6g1KuOcWStd7T23 avp1xX/nqQalh06H2fSnLxmZTnq5Myzx37xLXHHuX9hgb0605ZD/K/lMBJZdB+iDuzUE=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:52521 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmNmd-00010S-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:25:08 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C331400883 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:24:56 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:24:55 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12476 Joe VO1NA wrote: > Testing the coil amp and dds ... [24th] > 8 uW. > Off at ~1600 utc today. [27th] http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170828a.gif That's two daytime signals, 25th and 26th 10:00 to 20:00, combined coherently, bin width is 27.8 uHz. S/N of the combined days is 16.0 dB. Adding the two days non-coherently gives only 9 dB. I couldn't get anything useful out of the nighttime signal. I'll be glad when you get a GPS locked carrier, it's a bit tricky coherently combining recordings when the frequency is not known! -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 19:55:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SHtrXZ030485 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 19:55:54 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmO8F-0006Ki-0A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:47:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmO7N-0006KQ-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:46:33 +0100 Received: from omr-a011e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmO7I-0003SK-Ve for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:46:31 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.208]) by omr-a011e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E8C13380004D for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx05h.mail.aol.com (core-acx05.mail.aol.com [10.76.14.46]) by mtaomg-aab02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 330EC38000086 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.44.165 by webjas-vab046.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.18.49) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:46:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:46:26 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e29f39d4b-c09-1712e@webjas-vab046.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <59A3F582.30109@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.44.165] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a; t=1503942386; bh=lKVo4CnpM5szbLLBzEBMTQEwZY+biIG8kUDvyWVHXPs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:From:To: Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K0pv1p8L7USEWesitbH7f7VxIjGCJwColEhueNRaply8c3xN/SzhmYvF9syZhjQTD ql0xQ+tadHEzKwsRMhKEEYTb2dZXUDwSQEbNzyuEl1ShF76xN4WNL4Nb5X/XdQxQLi n1D2S/BUmI5BGlisnsjLnHHbrIiGPVqb/F1vX5PA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7ed059a456f24fca X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz considerations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110042_593468434.1503942384971" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12477 ------=_Part_110042_593468434.1503942384971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, > Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? Here you go - the DL0AO grabber now has a 970 Hz spectrogram below the othe= r narrowband images. Unfortunately the low frequency is more contaminated w= ith a bogus line from 1pps remnants I also don't know how good the directiv= ity of the cardioid really is down there, because the frequency responses f= rom the E-field probe and the ground antenna are probably different. > I need more power... Well I think that you could probably run up to around 100 mA at 970 Hz, per= haps by repairing your multistack-coil and loading it with a few kilograms = of laminated transformer iron. Best 73, Markus =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mo, 28. Aug 2017 12:52 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz considerat= ions PPS: Sorry, i was wrong. Stacking 2 days means (up to) 3 dB. So we need 16 = days for 12 dB. About 8 months to reach DL0AO. That's maybe a bit much. I n= eed more power... Am 28.08.2017 12:29, schrieb DK7FC:=20 PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried to se= e a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks or so. But= now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / 101 km. On the = 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but probably we are far away= from these dips shown in the plots provided by Jim. Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC:=20 It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see = where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number= of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than= 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly.=20 One day we may need to do that on 970 Hz! I'm working on the next QRO step= on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 = km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will n= ot be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. T= hen stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most e= xciting! Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days = to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2= weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field anten= na, also during noisy days. Markus, what do you think? Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give = an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations. I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current = at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond o= ur garden fences! ------=_Part_110042_593468434.1503942384971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

> Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz sp= ectrogram from W and EW?
Here you go - the DL0AO grabber now has a = 970 Hz spectrogram below the other narrowband images. Unfortunately th= e low frequency is more contaminated with a bogus line from 1pps remnants I= also don't know how good the directivity of the cardioid really is do= wn there, because the frequency responses from the E-field probe and the gr= ound antenna are probably different.

> I need more power...<= br>Well I think that you could probably run up to around 100 mA at 970= Hz, perhaps by repairing your multistack-coil and loading&n= bsp;it with a few kilograms of laminated transformer iron.

Best= 73,
Markus

  

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilun= g-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group &= lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 28. Aug 2017 12:52Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test + 970 Hz consider= ations

PPS: Sorry, i was wrong. Stacking 2 days means (up to) 3 dB. So we need 16 days for 12 dB. About 8 months to reach DL0AO. That's maybe a bit much. I need more power...

Am 28.08.2017 12:29, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 PS: Maybe even Paul can find something. I remember last year we tried to see a trace on Paul's side, on 2970 Hz when i run 3 kV for 7 weeks or so. But now we saw and know the propagation challenge on 2970 Hz / 101 km. On the 309 km band, the ERP is much lower (abt 27 dB) but probably we are far away from these dips shown in the plots provided by Jim.

Am 28.08.2017 12:17, schrieb DK7FC:
=20 =20
It would be interesting to analyse the different VLF and ULF bands to see where the daily diurnal phase is most constant. That would limit the number of stackable days to get better results. We never tried to stack more than 9 days (that was on 2970 Hz) if i remember correctly.
One day we may need to do that on 970 Hz! I'm working on the next QRO step on that 309 km band! I think i will need +12 dB to get good results at 50 km distance. To reach DL0AO would maybe require another 12 dB, which will not be possible. All in all i may rise the power by 15 dB relative to now. Then stacking of 4 days would help to see something at DL0AO however! Most exciting!
Hmmm, now, when thinking about that: would it maybe work to stack 16 days to see a trace at DL0 AO, now with the 5 kV (3 nW ERP)? That's just about 2 weeks! :-) I got 15 dB in 47 uHz in 27.2 km distance with an E field antenna, also during noisy days.
Markus, what do you think?
Maybe, can i ask for a 424 uHz spectrogram from W and EW? That would give an impression on the diurnal noise and daily variations.
I could set up my modified mains transformer to run 15 mA antenna current at 970.005 Hz for several weeks! Maybe we will see the impossible, beyond our garden fences!
------=_Part_110042_593468434.1503942384971-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Aug 28 22:10:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7SK9v8m030792 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:09:58 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmQHI-0006d0-AK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:04:56 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmQHH-0006cr-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:04:55 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmQHD-0003rG-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:04:54 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7SK4Ywo031142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:34:44 -0230 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:34:34 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12478 I didn't think anyone was listening -- many thanks Paul. The module is expected to arrive soon and new halyards are in place. It should be an interesting autumn. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, Paul Nicholson wrote: > > Joe VO1NA wrote: > >> Testing the coil amp and dds ... [24th] >> 8 uW. > >> Off at ~1600 utc today. [27th] > > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170828a.gif > > That's two daytime signals, 25th and 26th 10:00 to 20:00, > combined coherently, bin width is 27.8 uHz. > > S/N of the combined days is 16.0 dB. > > Adding the two days non-coherently gives only 9 dB. > > I couldn't get anything useful out of the nighttime signal. > > I'll be glad when you get a GPS locked carrier, it's a bit > tricky coherently combining recordings when the frequency is > not known! > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 29 21:48:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7TJmQJw002105 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:48:28 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmmLU-0000G0-7P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:38:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dmmLT-0000Fr-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:38:43 +0100 Received: from simone.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmmLQ-0007jZ-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 20:38:42 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by simone.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v7TJcSbR000955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:08:31 -0230 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:08:28 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 9769dc1fd6241281ce50b20c60b79e34 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12479 On again 8 uW but still undisciplined. 73 Joe VO1NA From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Aug 29 23:40:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: EATSERVER: mailn 1166; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7TLe0gq002313 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 23:40:03 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dmoA1-0000V9-3j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:60198 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dmo9v-00008q-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:34:55 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D6A4007D7 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:34:55 +0000 (UTC) References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:34:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12480 Still no decode, not even with known phase. Daily Eb/N0: 23rd -6.2 dB 24th -16.8 dB 25th -9.2 dB 26th -10.3 dB 27th -9.8 dB 28th -15.8 dB 29th -8.0 dB Combined -2.5 dB leaving out 24th and 28th. > If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that > it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise > background relative to the other days or the days where i sent > the carrier? Yes I've done that in previous tests, dropping out days with a high background. Also dropping out one day at a time, then two. After that there are too many permutations (each with a full phase search). -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 13:42:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UBfsUU004029 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:41:55 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn1Ep-0001tt-DN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:32:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn1Eo-0001tk-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:32:50 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn1El-0001ga-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:32:49 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CB6520BFD for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xj3Jr6X4Pzyrx for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:32:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A6A25C.9090305@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:32:44 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 66d07794ca19cd68f7d6cc289cd4ac18 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12481 Hi Paul, Thanks for the interesting overview. Do you have phase informations for each day too? It was interesting to see the daily phase variations during our stacking attempts in last winter, it was the 'TEST' message from 11th to 17th November. BTW if we manage to get a decode, then it will be the (new) lowest frequency where amateurs managed to send a message from DL to UK, i.e. an international one way contact! Yesterday i saw that it will be a good day (low QRN), today looks even better, so far. 73, Stefan Am 29.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Still no decode, not even with known phase. > > Daily Eb/N0: > > 23rd -6.2 dB > 24th -16.8 dB > 25th -9.2 dB > 26th -10.3 dB > 27th -9.8 dB > 28th -15.8 dB > 29th -8.0 dB > > Combined -2.5 dB leaving out 24th and 28th. > > > If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that > > it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise > > background relative to the other days or the days where i sent > > the carrier? > > Yes I've done that in previous tests, dropping out days with a > high background. Also dropping out one day at a time, then > two. After that there are too many permutations (each with a > full phase search). > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 13:53:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UBrHXn004053 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:53:18 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn1S4-00020l-Qx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:46:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn1S4-00020c-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:46:32 +0100 Received: from rgout0801.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.148]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn1S1-0001l7-Lk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:46:31 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.30.111816:17:12.455,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __INT_PROD_LOC, __FORWARDED_MSG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1800_1899, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 58BFF080125577A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:46:29 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1504093589; bh=YeLBz/xiJBCBFUqT2l83DtNftOUJ2STTV7RvN24FbZI=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=K4AIy0cgSAz5tWxqBn5IyOqqnF3WWhDPRqMLE2Wn+07YPc7anPgqmchRXIxG3pToVYRhkzZzfSGWmoUV3YidVucG4H9Fs42vAVs8cSEudSb1Fh1amQ8hPyItzNtw/Qh/YtgnzQkUWQWy1OGK91DgpOfgjs0X/u6kyHsk/uM3j1Q= Message-ID: <385C9CB0F9B441D997EE83C8DBCC2986@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A6A25C.9090305@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:46:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: d7907c3bf895ca41e0bedc3fa074f0d4 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12482 Hi Stefan does EbNaut give you some kind of S/N for these frequencies??. I am interested to know whether the noise reduces with a depressed Dst index or whether the S/N is sensibly the same in the far-field. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:32 PM Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for the interesting overview. Do you have phase informations for > each day too? It was interesting to see the daily phase variations during > our stacking attempts in last winter, it was the 'TEST' message from 11th > to 17th November. > > BTW if we manage to get a decode, then it will be the (new) lowest > frequency where amateurs managed to send a message from DL to UK, i.e. an > international one way contact! > > Yesterday i saw that it will be a good day (low QRN), today looks even > better, so far. > > 73, Stefan > > > > Am 29.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Paul Nicholson: >> >> Still no decode, not even with known phase. >> >> Daily Eb/N0: >> >> 23rd -6.2 dB >> 24th -16.8 dB >> 25th -9.2 dB >> 26th -10.3 dB >> 27th -9.8 dB >> 28th -15.8 dB >> 29th -8.0 dB >> >> Combined -2.5 dB leaving out 24th and 28th. >> >> > If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that >> > it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise >> > background relative to the other days or the days where i sent >> > the carrier? >> >> Yes I've done that in previous tests, dropping out days with a >> high background. Also dropping out one day at a time, then >> two. After that there are too many permutations (each with a >> full phase search). >> >> -- >> Paul Nicholson >> -- >> > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 14:52:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: wuwien: mailn 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UCq5q9004218 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:52:07 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn2Oz-0002FA-HN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:47:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn2Oz-0002F1-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:47:25 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn2Ow-00021W-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:47:23 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DF6B20E20 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xj4yt6mRzzyrx for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A6B3D5.7000408@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:47:17 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A6A25C.9090305@posteo.de> <385C9CB0F9B441D997EE83C8DBCC2986@gnat> In-Reply-To: <385C9CB0F9B441D997EE83C8DBCC2986@gnat> X-Scan-Signature: c6a8ca7629fac3d35507e5a7fd3cbf17 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12483 Hi Alan, Am 30.08.2017 13:46, schrieb Alan Melia: > Hi Stefan does EbNaut give you some kind of S/N for these frequencies?? Yes. Paul can give you (us) these values since he is the receive station :-) > . I am interested to know whether the noise reduces with a depressed > Dst index or whether the S/N is sensibly the same in the far-field. From my observations, the SNR is dominated by the QRN, lightning activity. In this frequency range, the local lightnings (< 3000 km) begin to play a more dominant role than on 8.27 kHz. But i'm just a band observer, not a paper reader... 73, Stefan > > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Thanks for the interesting overview. Do you have phase informations >> for each day too? It was interesting to see the daily phase >> variations during our stacking attempts in last winter, it was the >> 'TEST' message from 11th to 17th November. >> >> BTW if we manage to get a decode, then it will be the (new) lowest >> frequency where amateurs managed to send a message from DL to UK, >> i.e. an international one way contact! >> >> Yesterday i saw that it will be a good day (low QRN), today looks >> even better, so far. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >> >> Am 29.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Paul Nicholson: >>> >>> Still no decode, not even with known phase. >>> >>> Daily Eb/N0: >>> >>> 23rd -6.2 dB >>> 24th -16.8 dB >>> 25th -9.2 dB >>> 26th -10.3 dB >>> 27th -9.8 dB >>> 28th -15.8 dB >>> 29th -8.0 dB >>> >>> Combined -2.5 dB leaving out 24th and 28th. >>> >>> > If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that >>> > it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise >>> > background relative to the other days or the days where i sent >>> > the carrier? >>> >>> Yes I've done that in previous tests, dropping out days with a >>> high background. Also dropping out one day at a time, then >>> two. After that there are too many permutations (each with a >>> full phase search). >>> >>> -- >>> Paul Nicholson >>> -- >>> >> > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 17:51:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UFpOR0004550 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:51:26 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn5B4-0002eU-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:45:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn5B3-0002eL-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn5Az-0002hR-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:45:12 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C12CA20915 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:45:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xj8w11z2tz104v for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:45:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A6DD80.2070605@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:45:04 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A6A25C.9090305@posteo.de> <385C9CB0F9B441D997EE83C8DBCC2986@gnat> <59A6B3D5.7000408@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <59A6B3D5.7000408@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: ULF: transformer components Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12484 Hi ULF, I've ordered some components to build a mains transformer (actually just a coil) for further 970 Hz experiments. It has an EI core, to allow adding an air gap to align the inductivity! http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/EI%20transformer%20components.jpg It is very nice, the quality is very good and it is not so expensive. Worth to play with. The idea is to build a few identical coils for 970 Hz (magnetically isolated to each other) which allow to run more voltage and antenna current down on 970 Hz... 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 18:08:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UG8VAa004572 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:08:32 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn5Sv-0002mE-Ql for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:03:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn5Sv-0002m5-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:03:41 +0100 Received: from omr-m007e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn5Sr-0002nA-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:03:40 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-aad02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aad02.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.228]) by omr-m007e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 491C538001A0 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acx02a.mail.aol.com (core-acx02.mail.aol.com [10.76.5.147]) by mtaomg-aad02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 34F9D38000086 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80.146.228.119 by webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net (10.96.35.94) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:03:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:03:32 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15e33e223c2-c04-25a32@webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e22f07cc0-c10-16e0a@webjas-vaa018.srv.aolmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [80.146.228.119] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5800.7501/120549 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1504109015; bh=NAy0O0S/QXSRR388rF8FhJ867MH30n2hg4V7aRVNsJM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a3d0z0plxyu8wMSR2lhJ583wg0GQD57zVDV/x89k28ux0M4EuvSL1ccXQNteB5Vxn QczRA73pVPdAUisLn5xWX9qojVsi4UlcN/dClpgKWTJoFtcXJhD+z37n2LD4/BgZMF sxqyOTj5dRMFF9vW7B9Isb+PwtPeD7xwCLT22YCI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7fe459a6e1d5043c X-Scan-Signature: af5cbdb1bd8719c0c42cc590345d3147 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_181509_1530171121.1504109011906" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12485 ------=_Part_181509_1530171121.1504109011906 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_181508_81568712.1504109011906" ------=_Part_181508_81568712.1504109011906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, nothing from 27th and 28th.=20 Yesterday (29th) QRN was much lower. Unfortunately the DL0AO computer faile= d shortly before the full EbNaut export would have been completed at 20:27 = UT. But we do have the "0331" files, ending at 18:27 after 97% of the seque= nce duration. But these alone still didn't decode, neither on the EW or W a= ntennas. However stacking the partial data from 23rd and 29th did help a lot, with a= good decode now also from the W cardioid: ________________________ Carrier Eb/N0 (dB, from 97%) EW W 23rd 0.3 nil 29th nil nil both 2.7 1.6 ________________________ Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 27. Aug 2017 11:05 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test No correct results from the 25th and 26th either. I didn't try more stackin= g because adding in noisy days seemed to make things worse rather than bett= er. The best decode was the one from the 23rd alone, EW antenna (log attach= ed). Best 73, Markus PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer apparently crashes when trying to show = details of a wav file with "zero" nominal samplerate. =20 PS2: Your receiver on the tree seems to have gone off yesterday night. -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: DK7FC An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 20:06 Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Hi Stefan, no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN al= ready in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still fou= nd the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR. Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is co= nstant now. This is an improvement. Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a = few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very releva= nt on that 67 km band. 73, Stefan ------=_Part_181508_81568712.1504109011906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

nothing from 27th and 28th.

Ye= sterday (29th) QRN was much lower. Unfortunately the DL0AO comput= er failed shortly before the full EbNaut export would have been comple= ted at 20:27 UT. But we do have the "0331" files, ending at 18:27 = ;after 97% of the sequence duration. But these alone still didn't= decode, neither on the EW or W antennas.

However stacking the = partial data from 23rd and 29th did help a lot, with a good decode now= also from the W cardioid:
________________________
Carrier Eb/N0 (dB= , from 97%)

         &n= bsp;  EW    W
23rd      0.3=    nil
29th      nil   = ; nil
both      2.7  1.6
____= ____________________

Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCn= gliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com><= br>An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So= , 27. Aug 2017 11:05
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut = test

No correct results f= rom the 25th and 26th either. I didn't try more stacking because adding in = noisy days seemed to make things worse rather than better. The best de= code was the one from the 23rd alone, EW antenna (log attach= ed).

Best 73,
Markus

PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer a= pparently crashes when trying to show details of a wav file with "zero= " nominal samplerate.  
PS2: Your receiver on the tree se= ems to have gone off yesterday night.

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mittei= lung-----
Von: DK7FC <selb= erdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt= : Fr, 25. Aug 2017 20:06
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbN= aut test



Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated= SNR.

Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is constant now. This is an improvement.
Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very relevant on that 67 km band.

73, Stefan

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References: <15e33e223c2-c04-25a32@webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net> In-Reply-To: <15e33e223c2-c04-25a32@webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net> X-Scan-Signature: 0c28add2673aaa1c8f62f1695e18ff8b Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050504010901070903090900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12486 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050504010901070903090900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, Thank you, that's interesting! The signal of 29th can't be far away from a decode. So your stacking tools seems to work well. Now the other Windows users can use it too. RN3AUS would be a candidate, most interesting on that path. I already thought about a new and longer message when Paul has completed the decode. It would require several days then for both of you. A real challenge for the stacking tool! But let's see first... 73, Stefan Am 30.08.2017 18:03, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > > nothing from 27th and 28th. > > Yesterday (29th) QRN was much lower. Unfortunately the DL0AO computer > failed shortly before the full EbNaut export would have been completed > at 20:27 UT. But we do have the "0331" files, ending at 18:27 after > 97% of the sequence duration. But these alone still didn't decode, > neither on the EW or W antennas. > > However stacking the partial data from 23rd and 29th did help a > lot, with a good decode now also from the W cardioid: > ________________________ > Carrier Eb/N0 (dB, from 97%) > > EW W > 23rd 0.3 nil > 29th nil nil > both 2.7 1.6 > ________________________ > > Best 73, > Markus > > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Markus Vester > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: So, 27. Aug 2017 11:05 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > > No correct results from the 25th and 26th either. I didn't try more > stacking because adding in noisy days seemed to make things worse > rather than better. The best decode was the one from the 23rd alone, > EW antenna (log attached). > > Best 73, > Markus > > PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer apparently crashes when trying to > show details of a wav file with "zero" nominal samplerate. > PS2: Your receiver on the tree seems to have gone off yesterday night. > > -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: DK7FC > > An: rsgb_lf_group > > Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 20:06 > Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > > > > Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester: > > Hi Stefan, > > no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much > increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine > 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but > with deteriorated SNR. > > > Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase > is constant now. This is an improvement. > Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! > In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is > very relevant on that 67 km band. > > 73, Stefan > --------------050504010901070903090900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus,

Thank you, that's interesting! The signal of 29th can't be far away from a decode. So your stacking tools seems to work well. Now the other Windows users can use it too. RN3AUS would be a candidate, most interesting on that path.

I already thought about a new and longer message when Paul has completed the decode. It would require several days then for both of you. A real challenge for the stacking tool! But let's see first...

73, Stefan

Am 30.08.2017 18:03, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

nothing from 27th and 28th.

Yesterday (29th) QRN was much lower. Unfortunately the DL0AO computer failed shortly before the full EbNaut export would have been completed at 20:27 UT. But we do have the "0331" files, ending at 18:27 after 97% of the sequence duration. But these alone still didn't decode, neither on the EW or W antennas.

However stacking the partial data from 23rd and 29th did help a lot, with a good decode now also from the W cardioid:
________________________
Carrier Eb/N0 (dB, from 97%)

            EW    W
23rd      0.3   nil
29th      nil    nil
both      2.7  1.6
________________________

Best 73,
Markus


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 27. Aug 2017 11:05
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test

No correct results from the 25th and 26th either. I didn't try more stacking because adding in noisy days seemed to make things worse rather than better. The best decode was the one from the 23rd alone, EW antenna (log attached).

Best 73,
Markus

PS1: Under Win-10, Windows Explorer apparently crashes when trying to show details of a wav file with "zero" nominal samplerate.  
PS2: Your receiver on the tree seems to have gone off yesterday night.

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Fr, 25. Aug 2017 20:06
Betreff: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test



Am 25.08.2017 15:25, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,

no decodes from yesterday Aug, 24, likely due to the much increased QRN already in the afternoon. I also tried to combine 23rd and 24th and still found the correct decode in the list, but with deteriorated SNR.

Well at least the decode has a 0.3 dB higher Eb/N0 and the ref phase is constant now. This is an improvement.
Again it was a very noisy day here. But soon that time will be gone! In a few weeks i don't expect local thunderstorms any more, which is very relevant on that 67 km band.

73, Stefan

--------------050504010901070903090900-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 19:55:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UHsjNE004688 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:54:46 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn77M-0003B4-Uc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:49:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn77M-0003Av-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:49:32 +0100 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn77J-0003C7-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:49:31 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PaNL3+4ks07M95P7NOd4ouxS83HGfYuPGOTc1KOY49M=; b=yRSCTI/0yRBM+qVJm5kJI0+M0T TC21K4iDiGTNVt+nIIBNDzhjze4lOOWx3nkwcqe6ZYLO4fBFKl/k/k1Y7EXfVWTPEQ9aEDVeWqnoA LZTC2aNiL7H6qW0P0tRhLRmMm905HNleRLKsEHjasi3XwxCe7DZ99xJNmgOG+sfAWetI=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:38778 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn77H-00079O-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:49:27 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817F740041B for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:49:26 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e33e223c2-c04-25a32@webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net> <59A6EAF1.1020703@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:49:26 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59A6EAF1.1020703@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12487 Stefan wrote: > I already thought about a new and longer message I may have some interruptions to E-field reception here - continuing to track down a 0.13 dB extra noise floor in the new rx compared with the old. Correlation of background noise is quite good, 97.6 % in a 3kHz bandwidth at 10kHz, after sferic removal. That means most of the noise from the two rxs is the same - natural background not system noise. But the new rx is 0.13 dB higher, on average, than the old. Every comparison run ranges 0.0 dB to about 0.3 dB, it's pretty consistent. Some recent readings on S/N of alpha at 11904.7619 Hz, (each a 20 minute average): Old 37.27 dB, New 36.95 dB; Old 41.99 dB, New 41.86 dB; Old 41.95 dB, New 41.79 dB; You see what I mean. I've eliminated the sound cards, timing system and DSP, isolating transformers and feeder, line drivers and the filter stage before the line driver. Now I'm at the output of the front-end and still the 0.13 dB remains. The front-end has been measured to death and is well modeled. I'm beginning to wonder if there's something wrong with the antenna, an extra source of noise from somewhere. The old rx has just about had it, I can't expect it will last another winter. New one should be better - not worse! Well I have to get on with this mystery, so some interruptions. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Aug 30 20:02:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: mailn 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7UI2826004703 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 20:02:09 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dn7Fu-0003IQ-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:58:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dn7Ft-0003IH-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:58:21 +0100 Received: from rgout0701.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dn7Fr-0003FQ-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:58:20 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.185.176.70 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.8.30.174216:17:12.455,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __INT_PROD_LOC, __FORWARDED_MSG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS Received: from gnat (86.185.176.70) by rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.13-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 598528DE02635A90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:58:17 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1504115899; bh=aGYj13xCdFOCx2PU9H+9T1YKfW58jIJwEFTGkuuGf1Q=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=KTrSHFilRMGwc1RZtnbBA1RD7nMrgiGl59Rz4nwcURGYqJnqcbTAlg4a0pj7O2aZF/WY2RlLnPvUTLcznNlO0oZGOt8T9VrO15tMwg4IUGisre1fxHmW6kWPkXdyACt85OjKYkQLl7vS0uS6KhlYDy0V1tkG9Wr3WMwecALECwM= Message-ID: <03507C8A3CB441689A8977E6421B6140@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <15e1991abae-c08-d02c@webjas-vac137.srv.aolmail.net> <59A066BA.7060608@posteo.de> <99e04e4a-b978-829d-dabe-1bd1551f9a19@abelian.org> <22e7826e-60f1-9170-397e-494ad2cab3bd@abelian.org> <59A6A25C.9090305@posteo.de> <385C9CB0F9B441D997EE83C8DBCC2986@gnat> <59A6B3D5.7000408@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:58:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12488 Hi Stefan, Ah yes of course, for some reason I was not thinking of lightning ...even at this time of year ! There is always a certain amount of it within 3000km so out of area noise is irrelevant. Keep up the good (and interesting) work :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:47 PM Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test > Hi Alan, > > Am 30.08.2017 13:46, schrieb Alan Melia: >> Hi Stefan does EbNaut give you some kind of S/N for these frequencies?? > Yes. Paul can give you (us) these values since he is the receive station > :-) >> . I am interested to know whether the noise reduces with a depressed Dst >> index or whether the S/N is sensibly the same in the far-field. > From my observations, the SNR is dominated by the QRN, lightning activity. > In this frequency range, the local lightnings (< 3000 km) begin to play a > more dominant role than on 8.27 kHz. But i'm just a band observer, not a > paper reader... > > 73, Stefan >> >> Alan >> G3NYK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:32 PM >> Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test >> >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> Thanks for the interesting overview. Do you have phase informations for >>> each day too? It was interesting to see the daily phase variations >>> during our stacking attempts in last winter, it was the 'TEST' message >>> from 11th to 17th November. >>> >>> BTW if we manage to get a decode, then it will be the (new) lowest >>> frequency where amateurs managed to send a message from DL to UK, i.e. >>> an international one way contact! >>> >>> Yesterday i saw that it will be a good day (low QRN), today looks even >>> better, so far. >>> >>> 73, Stefan >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 29.08.2017 23:34, schrieb Paul Nicholson: >>>> >>>> Still no decode, not even with known phase. >>>> >>>> Daily Eb/N0: >>>> >>>> 23rd -6.2 dB >>>> 24th -16.8 dB >>>> 25th -9.2 dB >>>> 26th -10.3 dB >>>> 27th -9.8 dB >>>> 28th -15.8 dB >>>> 29th -8.0 dB >>>> >>>> Combined -2.5 dB leaving out 24th and 28th. >>>> >>>> > If the message would be unknown, could you still fin out that >>>> > it is better to leave the 24th out, just by checking the noise >>>> > background relative to the other days or the days where i sent >>>> > the carrier? >>>> >>>> Yes I've done that in previous tests, dropping out days with a >>>> high background. Also dropping out one day at a time, then >>>> two. After that there are too many permutations (each with a >>>> full phase search). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Paul Nicholson >>>> -- >>>> >>> >> >> > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 31 22:18:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,T_DKIM_INVALID,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: Etherboy: mailn 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7VKI62h015345 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:18:08 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dnVks-0006jR-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:07:58 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dnVkP-0006jG-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:07:29 +0100 Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dnVkJ-0007bP-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:07:26 +0100 Received: from resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.100]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id nVjHdNwUiBI9ynVkDdEXeW; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:07:17 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1504210037; bh=Y/QeZOqFxrVYUGoyH9KzXpleTk/i7YRoPIhRJ4HfOd0=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZY/E+nN3yyfvlFNqZBPQGfchEpyMA/pca8RuaCUnTIORVqTxL0l6kt8PNdQsl693P qz8ypx/ZdUIGu6OunVQ78PoSkKGtNEE1ldId+Z34vIKLiu87bH3Qdys4qlFs8U1ZRL HIUBNDnfq7j8647c9GYixqtunRQS0whyIWcLii+uSyzsg7fK/rZwTPbQ+/0ISzo+dV DxA5BSwCzPa0u24XJO9UV+zJ+BNcRxbFjTlaUz/Yo1LKH2OPrfBvVKufm8AiTfEatY 7lwt0J5+Yl42/bwy2baaApQZRxIgRE79JvDgknplQjM5AMWVupDCoEjf5T8wx6Doa7 FH/8xaryQ7RoA== Received: from Owner ([IPv6:2601:140:8500:7f9f:78f6:dd:b547:d008]) by resomta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id nVkAdRuMSSUVJnVkBdNtCq; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 20:07:16 +0000 From: To: References: <15e1104432f-c04-c80b@webjas-vac074.srv.aolmail.net> <599EB51C.1040204@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:07:06 -0400 Message-ID: <04e001d32294$b965d840$2c3188c0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKQErfqg6fpuuqyiVtVqjj+KTnWhALwACsXAXamCDUBsb5JrwFkpOrroOjTleA= Content-Language: en-us X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKZ44Ny8FPEhizujPQfyUDhDDoRarFLQSvc1aVQNJ3xrdlgT4uoFMwr0Q8JU6mpkC9RiXQOQ/S2hsq2gXqSGEsGA8o1Kmk+jp3gf0XjmhWK5rFxHaRkE sE8rTWZFsZNid/C2TEZlPjNyh/SlHtUVcM0= X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: RE: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lipkowski.org id v7VKI62h015345 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12489 Wow! Paul, do these results meet your standard criteria for confirmation? 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 8270.00709 Hz Joe VO1NA wrote: > Testing the coil amp and dds ... [24th] > 8 uW. > Off at ~1600 utc today. [27th] http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/170828a.gif That's two daytime signals, 25th and 26th 10:00 to 20:00, combined coherently, bin width is 27.8 uHz. S/N of the combined days is 16.0 dB. Adding the two days non-coherently gives only 9 dB. I couldn't get anything useful out of the nighttime signal. I'll be glad when you get a GPS locked carrier, it's a bit tricky coherently combining recordings when the frequency is not known! -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Aug 31 22:42:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Spam-DCC: MGTINTERNET: mailn 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by lipkowski.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id v7VKgPmr015512 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:42:26 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1dnWDy-0006qA-7d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:38:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1dnWDx-0006q1-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:38:01 +0100 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dnWDt-0007gq-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:37:59 +0100 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A6ED20B45 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:37:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3xjvMQ2jdpzyp0 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:37:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59A873A1.1090501@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:37:53 +0200 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15e33e223c2-c04-25a32@webjas-vad091.srv.aolmail.net> <59A6EAF1.1020703@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: VLF: Carrier on 4470.005 Hz! - EbNaut test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090306040009090803020900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.75 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12490 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090306040009090803020900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Paul, Am 30.08.2017 19:49, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > I may have some interruptions to E-field reception here OK, i'll wait some days longer with the longer message, until you completed the new RX. This weekend i will be in France again, JN29OD96SK , on a field day with the radio club. I plan to receive the 4470 Hz signal with a small loop and its new preamp and the octo soundcard. Thus i want to run a carrier again on 4470.005 Hz. Tomorrow, Friday, i will transmit the EbNaut message again. After that, the carrier will continue until sunday. With some luck i hope you can decode the message when including the friday transmission. If not, i could continue to transmit on monday... 73, Stefan --------------090306040009090803020900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Paul,

Am 30.08.2017 19:49, schrieb Paul Nicholson:
I may have some interruptions to E-field reception here
 OK, i'll wait some days longer with the longer message, until you completed the new RX.

This weekend i will be in France again, JN29OD96SK , on a field day with the radio club. I plan to receive the 4470 Hz signal with a small loop and its new preamp and the octo soundcard. Thus i want to run a carrier again on 4470.005 Hz. Tomorrow, Friday, i will transmit the EbNaut message again. After that, the carrier will continue until sunday. With some luck i hope you can decode the message when including the friday transmission. If not, i could continue to transmit on monday...

73, Stefan
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