From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 01:18:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA10HxVs013908 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 01:17:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1Mi8-00079k-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 00:13:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1Mi8-00079b-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 00:13:52 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1Mi5-0006uf-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 00:13:51 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A3ED20A8B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 01:13:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t7BXn5Ff0zysV for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 01:13:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 01:13:45 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 5f132ffce194fb93f2267a462d849f2b Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000605020707080704050303" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1053 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9327 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000605020707080704050303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, VLF, A new attempt! *f = 6470.00000 Hz Start time: 01.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC Symbol length: 40 s Characters: 3 CRC 16 Coding 16K25A Duration: 10h, 18m, 40s* *Antenna current: ~ 280 mA * 73, Stefan --------------000605020707080704050303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul, VLF,

A new attempt!

f = 6470.00000 Hz
Start time: 01.11.2016   07:00:00 UTC
Symbol length: 40 s
Characters: 3
CRC 16
Coding 16K25A
Duration: 10h, 18m, 40s

Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

73, Stefan

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x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 62604164-a94a-42ea-7ef6-08d40208bcf1 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1603101340)(1601125047);SRVR:SN1NAM04HT255; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(432015012)(82015046);SRVR:SN1NAM04HT255;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:SN1NAM04HT255; x-forefront-prvs: 01136D2D90 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <3E4FEBA567494549B466814C4075594E@sct-15-1-659-11-msonline-outlook-d08c7.templateTenant> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Nov 2016 03:39:51.8199 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1NAM04HT255 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2016 03:39:58.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E9E8710:01D233F1] X-Scan-Signature: 4ad5f3f1a9241b934aaa5d0e23c9dc57 Subject: LF: Its about that time of year Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA13kdG4014411 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9328 With the A index gradually reducing in number im beginning to see signals from dcf39 coming in over the pole - its still a tadge early for the path to be open but ill be looking in the Eu window circa 136.172/4 and leave op32 running. Also will be running MF wspr2 /jt9 on request rx/tx for poss pre Eu dawn openings - the window is short, id say more fleeting, mostly Dec and January where max mutual darkness exists. Openings to Alaska have not occured every year and 2003 remains the best year to date on 136/7 - lets see if we can beat it this year. There is still a path to VK on 475 from KL7 and further locations which is proving very interesting given "only" wspr2 decode levels are being used. Tx wise Ive installed an Eu tx loop for 136 and the not so efficient Forest bound Marconi for 475. Vy 73 Laurence KL7L bp51. 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Carrier S/N: 16.96 dB in 26.9 uHz. About -63dB in 2.5kHz bandwidth after sferic blanking. I was expecting around +6.5dB based on the daytime carrier measured on 10th October. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 19:45:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY,NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1IjPS5019550 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 19:45:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1dzg-0008PQ-Ev for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:41:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1dzg-0008PH-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:41:08 +0000 Received: from smtp-out01.xworks.net ([31.25.48.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1dzd-0003D9-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from mailbackend1 (cluster06.xworks.net [10.100.1.80]) by smtp-out01.xworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645A36185B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 19:41:04 +0100 (CET) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=kabelmail.de Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kabelmail.de; s=mail; t=1478025664; bh=7bXsPqP+XQkKh9sApnd3f549tYpyVRelgCsxDhlV1nE=; h=In-Reply-To:From:To:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-type; b=MY+TFdAGHmudaBSTIwcOFh+gYLmRFWtMLVXTnj06A+actw195yMEMQAukMt7DzdoV zUPwRZtWLevZjUUBVQQUQTwxydcuEQA4GqjAtQe8P3M8eNt+63t31RHL+RWPXfuIbM iGfi0XwNREYPCOr5F1fwyl0KfLGJBwRKntjnzsdA= In-Reply-To: <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:41:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 0b2d339ae1d48966556dfb6ad64e2bce Subject: AW: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1214 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9330

Stefan,
if possible let the carrier s= tay on the air this night pse=2E
73
Uwe/dj8wx

 
Von: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo= =2Ede>
Gesendet: 01=2E11=2E2016 03:17
An: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg= >
Bet= reff: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-test= s: 6=2E47kHz
 
Hi Pa= ul, VLF,

A new attempt!

f =3D 6470=2E00000 Hz
= Start time: 01=2E11=2E2016   07:00:00 UTC
Symbol length: 4= 0 s
Characters: 3
CRC 16
Coding 16K25A
Duration: 10h, 18m, = 40s

Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

73= , Stefan
 
From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 20:20:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1JKFtu019669 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:20:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1eY3-00005B-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:16:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1eY3-000052-IW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:16:39 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1eY1-0003Q7-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:16:38 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFF132099D for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:16:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t7gvN49zNzyvF for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:16:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5818EA0F.3070000@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:16:31 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9331 short message frlm my smartphone: congrats paul. next message tomorrow 7 utc agn. more later... 73 Am 01.11.2016 19:23, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 6470.00000 Hz > > Start time: 01.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 40 s > > Characters: 3 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > Duration: 10h, 18m, 40s > > Antenna current: ~ 280 mA > > Copied 'YES' at Eb/N0 = +5.7dB, BER = 35.6% > > Constant reference phase. > > Carrier S/N: 16.96 dB in 26.9 uHz. > > About -63dB in 2.5kHz bandwidth after sferic > blanking. > > I was expecting around +6.5dB based on the > daytime carrier measured on 10th October. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 20:46:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1JkWpS019765 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:46:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1ewx-0000C5-NV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1ewx-0000Bw-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from smtp01.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.123] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1ewu-0003YU-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 19:42:22 +0000 Received: from PCPMF ([109.219.86.9]) by mwinf5d77 with ME id 2jiF1u0060C5QDZ03jiFYb; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:42:17 +0100 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:42:17 +0100 X-ME-IP: 109.219.86.9 Message-ID: From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:42:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161101-0, 01/11/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: LF: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01D23480.6DC7BAF0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9332 Ce message est composi et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D23480.6DC7BAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI All. I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output. 73 Andy. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D23480.6DC7BAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI All.
 
I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output.
 
73 Andy.
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01D23480.6DC7BAF0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 21:07:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1K7Pkr019892 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:07:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fI1-0000J4-Ht for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:04:09 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fHu-0000Iv-R2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:04:02 +0000 Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1fHs-0003eu-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:04:01 +0000 Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id z190so211870263qkc.2 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JmyqlXkiadY429yg2yOMnV6gkf5qyiGuRiXBSy8a0M0=; b=M0h5Bs8BH/7h8WQ2R1IxhqYX657vQ478408b08v1eE+eZzGjZWkApliD5NMDyH9RnR OeBo3vJ9zGdJdvp7wI+xspBF5///9J3VoPcb+UHDAWLeiZKKW7muZv2793uvllCjikd/ pOrwR/BXqmyhHPf5u+RxArh9LnnlYjgplCRs2ULOvSVdL5UNvGO8MAOy37MUlIy31jyQ CA4ix28x9GeAEJM87+2f2oJ3rVqxyu2+LRsNUdAsmdaIjUdcwS478zXEWn96s47ZX30i m5g4LrW7YGQPdz/F+udzAxPR51jou4pWH+UPCppgE4KOxnX6Fjxz+1druwtiaHXsEcgY BvpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JmyqlXkiadY429yg2yOMnV6gkf5qyiGuRiXBSy8a0M0=; b=eS4JPfDfPbqylaALeWj7Ccbuw4AbwdSnlAdhXu4YvRRK4Hd9cuA8kKtMmLLdnJ3G3M RfLrls7rMYWmjMSBPWx4ktr8BpHTp4O0Bm3oZZKFd1NJAeRJbn3M74I8KUMBqPX5MNff QSHl5Rxoz/eeIlKCyTxfkbnMbtTYVFqoZeolNF5+ObzStTYqa39WrHAP+wzJC7VK6bAJ pQm0Dim8gGLzIiEa+1vS1Old5hov/vtvK9quGlq0VlnDTvWKxkqdQ769o+aMCWlpzTpY yldBOlhocn8bqx8HYeMDPeOPBmSTIOIX4KAERe+VRNoQZFEouVwi+MbyZsWME/bNKWF0 buZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvc+vfQ1kVQDueaaH5PkYMx2e4zDoK0F+m8x+lYKNINWxClAlLDBr3ixNh0aAafyQSbv9v+HoHs+7sQw1Q== X-Received: by 10.55.11.130 with SMTP id 124mr13775920qkl.112.1478030635545; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:03:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.118.195 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:03:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eric Van Offelen Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114d73caffb9a9054042d24f X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1284 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9333 --001a114d73caffb9a9054042d24f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Andy, thank you for the QSO. Beautifull signal here with your 1 W TX !!! 73 de Eric ON5TA 2016-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB : > HI All. > > I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output. > > 73 Andy. > --001a114d73caffb9a9054042d24f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy, thank you for the QSO.

Beautifull si= gnal here with your 1 W TX !!!

73 de Eric ON5TA

20= 16-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB <f6cni@orange.fr>:
HI All.
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I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output.
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73 Andy.

--001a114d73caffb9a9054042d24f-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 21:11:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1KBtvJ019909 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:11:55 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fMf-0000Ow-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:08:57 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fMf-0000On-CT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:08:57 +0000 Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1fMc-0003hH-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:08:56 +0000 Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p16so101063196qta.0 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zlbD9lYRNbGHg6J7KnG0o463j+hcsSQz37i1MaIEyuQ=; b=i9fz9Q/se13ZgP7THvVnlvsxINESOYi8a2GNDP5sRogUSgdJn45kbtDN+g2RTHapM1 Wg4Np1cXCjjdaaGB9LKq1UoMgjHm7lENvKQrplTFkvdOYi4srwvvVfZ+hukR6COnYdjz 28u4FWfYwQF7f6Qd9ZC4213yPhJQtwZ2Oy/5GGDvXoxJYGgdpqRIvE6oMqAPzazPResu /dUSnfDTe5UiBV24Eq7gz/gETMnBGQhJOcoV/zcfnXrwn5BWmjzPQa2SCRejLJb0FenJ EQUn6IvErOBVliepSuSO4tYOYgXtRGh4h9nPSV/7dEITj8vV1xmTu2YaDHexsIC+ngWJ DZnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=zlbD9lYRNbGHg6J7KnG0o463j+hcsSQz37i1MaIEyuQ=; b=DDWzjFG6KuqLCu7wi6dhkdAaBvoKPAL9JVJAMhYG4xHSnb3jXFZ9LEGxTs+WgvH5qw dvMkS9mxnarQupO75SKa/3gFj6/RV8Spg6u9OL9u1eIApc/KPXLIRoposjM1fdK+4g5q cCt7dA3/YMob7Ch21sLP/XC0KZXpr/fr6G3Ul3Yeej+OF4ANL2mU0FgAP2AEVGWmMZQS nILv374DAq0aHK8bsD5+a0CtZYaDgDE1snPLqJ5PBFYwGFkRW+55gIN/Pj494dA1Q7+W 6Pu67/XAzASF9EYhyQyxNsI1IXXTroVScNMvBOI+DIZ9sfGUwLPU5cTwZgXgNsn8dU40 CrQA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdPbyZ4EXVJPfUSvmA5/cs8ImEneWOubQJDsgUDiOyK4q0lvZpTHtCrSsbpaMWroAnRTjLnrnPlsvrQTw== X-Received: by 10.200.45.129 with SMTP id p1mr6661507qta.96.1478030932687; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.55.118.195 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eric Van Offelen Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f45b8b5c0c6054042e4c7 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1383 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9334 --001a113f45b8b5c0c6054042e4c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Andy, thank you for the QSO. Very nice signal here with your 1 W TX !!! 73 de Eric ON5TA 2016-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB : > HI All. > > I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output. > > 73 Andy. > --001a113f45b8b5c0c6054042e4c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy, thank you for th= e QSO.

Very nice signal here= with your 1 W TX !!!

73 de Eric ON5TA
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2016-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB <f6cni@orange.= fr>:
HI All.
=C2=A0
I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output.
=C2=A0
73 Andy.

--001a113f45b8b5c0c6054042e4c7-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 21:14:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1KEdmU019919 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:14:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fOf-0000SD-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:11:01 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1fOe-0000Rv-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:11:00 +0000 Received: from smtp01.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.123] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1fOb-0003iu-Lo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:10:59 +0000 Received: from PCPMF ([109.219.86.9]) by mwinf5d77 with ME id 2kAw1u0060C5QDZ03kAwlc; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:10:56 +0100 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:10:56 +0100 X-ME-IP: 109.219.86.9 Message-ID: From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:10:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161101-0, 01/11/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: 17343f7e400f1005b5081acbd4115359 Subject: LF: Re: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D23484.6FB424D0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2993 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9335 Ce message est composi et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D23484.6FB424D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot Eric, and have a lot of fun on the MF band ! Here I am a fan of QRPP MF, all modes, also normal CW... 73 @++ Andy. From: Eric Van Offelen=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9 Hi Andy, thank you for the QSO.=20 Beautifull signal here with your 1 W TX !!! 73 de Eric ON5TA 2016-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB : HI All. I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt output. 73 Andy. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D23484.6FB424D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Thanks a lot Eric, and have a lot of fun on the MF band !
 
Here I am a fan of QRPP MF, all modes, also normal CW...
 
73 @++ Andy.
 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DE F6CNI QRV MF JT9
 
Hi Andy, thank you for the QSO.=20
 
Beautifull signal here with your 1 W TX !!!
 
73 de Eric ON5TA
 
2016-11-01 20:42 GMT+01:00 F6CNI - Andy - = JN19QB <f6cni@orange.fr>:
HI All.
 
I am now QRV JT9 on 630 m band with my QRP TX 1 Watt = output.
 
73 Andy.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D23484.6FB424D0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 21:57:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1Kv9Cq020010 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:57:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1g3S-0000cr-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:53:10 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1g39-0000ci-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:52:51 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca ([64.59.136.137]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1g34-0003vd-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 20:52:49 +0000 Received: from StevePC ([24.108.60.123]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id 1g2xcY2JNKjjy1g2zc9i3K; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 14:52:41 -0600 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=shaw.ca Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1478033561; bh=mLo+pOUUfJaUdehbBBNS4XTD9iz/EuXNNoHcGWbyeso=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=JKHKROy9Fvkd5MZKpK2nTwco7fp5EvRhIJ+D+NdtPeLo2vJj1lFShipcqpKu1j5lS 7x3/TSjpLagTqdr/HKCaIzR4Td1BfpSj2XM4brso98WIW1iYR/CFT45t3FHUCSGTDY iWhAVGyBVusBnYSCwtap2NKvWG9qvPkb/p7EZ3lZasergDPEx9jAVjCivykBFxRB6Z 6wzRqAUefXuRH8Bm8lyFmlZtfapZRXPnuV5Wrta9Yv57p4XhLCHDFx85NSvVf1wzeq +8Cjr7smTly/Ff/knY4+/YXhmv+ee/PmOGl7OLx6i+1Q0glnP2KZaQEqd13uIhny5Q M4zX3ijC6iZlQ== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=SPoybKnH c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:117 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=eL5lqVd3AAAA:8 a=NCUXY5yLhfJsR1yo3Z8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=E7Y_wEwiPtwA:10 a=c-cOe7UV8MviEfHuAVEQ:22 a=r5fwSD0_7PCr-xOGcPf9:22 Message-ID: From: "Steve" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:52:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPCbDZINghizSK496RCIFct8g+FqNIrb6EwXXmhrXTfGA9ZGNSzJIx39b+U9Dqjf6GmxarRT0KbsLPf7elSIIQZEimXAtkQh2aewyCGCgOeDGlrA3Ojb UAEZZm/4MRd+TzQrfSBiCX7x21rMr4Q/3F4qk/t7Hq0G622hwOzUIcUA X-Scan-Signature: 4d4a9e8f68fb15c54898568240f542c5 Subject: LF: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9336 Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR bridge on 630m and if so, what did you find out? Thanks, Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 22:32:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1LWCg4020091 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:32:12 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1gat-0000k6-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:27:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1gaW-0000jx-AU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:27:20 +0000 Received: from omr-a014e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1gaR-000464-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 21:27:18 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com [172.27.21.15]) by omr-a014e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 69BB33800045 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acd05a.mail.aol.com (core-acd05.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.15]) by mtaomg-aao01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EB8C238000088 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-a43.mail.aol.com (10.72.52.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15821c9eeb0-9a5-1727c@webprd-a43.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1478035632; bh=X+Xel5mPNqmSkBg5mwXxZwWj/bO6rbWGoYFj+zAbkYA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rq/t3/TUD/VgbX4dfLqqOFKCsybzbYOugGL+ENocCUf8030HKvGL96lvSwDKB9AR/ ureC3CMNM6si8lfeazv9vsCVEa9a7/iwFA0q5PNFWhf6opzl+ncA+fhALJwWiM9BFR q6MewM/cE+BSHCRqQC87AmVAPTACo/dAN5bzYrh8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b150f581908af2795 X-Scan-Signature: 59677119386dcf9f1872cb454dc1331d Subject: LF: Italian Hell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_120083_225546718.1478035631790" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9337 ------=_Part_120083_225546718.1478035631790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice Hell transmissions around 476.18 kHz, currently from IW4DXW, IK0VVE and IK1HGI. 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73 and have a good time,
Markus (DF6NM)

------=_Part_120083_225546718.1478035631790-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 23:07:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA1M7Hek020188 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 23:07:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1h9e-0000r2-OQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 22:03:38 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1h9Y-0000qr-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 22:03:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1h9U-0004GG-LX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 22:03:31 +0000 Received: from AGB ([109.180.89.5]) by mwinf5d51 with ME id 2m3M1u00606vait03m3MoC; Tue, 01 Nov 2016 23:03:22 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 23:03:22 +0100 X-ME-IP: 109.180.89.5 Message-ID: <283A17795367434F8F49073CC5161303@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 22:03:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: LF: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1327 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9338 Steve Most seem to work, unlikely to stand the full rated power , as the ferrite is more likely well past its LF working frequency , you can test the meter to a 50 ohm load , just try each way, will give a good idea as to the reliability of the reading , might see phantom return from the load , in which case, the meter is out side its limits .. 136 kit , like the scope-match , can take a hit at 500k , once again, past the LF ferrites max frequency , Gary flashed his , back on 502 I use a bird 250 watt element , with a home made calibration chart , for power measurements and a HF swr meter , at 5 watts for loading the Ae One thing to note is , harmonics back from the tuner , may not get a 1:1 match, if there is a slight harmonic content 73-Graham G0NBD -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:52 PM To: Subject: LF: SWR Bridges > Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR > bridge on 630m and if so, what did you find out? > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > > VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to > Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Tue Nov 1 23:37:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1182; 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x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 078f7a76-a514-424c-8823-08d402a70c36 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(1601124038)(1603103081)(1601125047)(1603101340);SRVR:CO1NAM04HT027; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(432015012)(82015046);SRVR:CO1NAM04HT027;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CO1NAM04HT027; x-forefront-prvs: 01136D2D90 spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Nov 2016 22:33:05.3276 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO1NAM04HT027 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2016 22:33:07.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAD9DDC0:01D2348F] X-Scan-Signature: 783e848a630124d13ae6ef06c152f951 Subject: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BN3PR1101MB1059FE268508B403A6E20290CFA10BN3PR1101MB1059_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 10425 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9339 --_000_BN3PR1101MB1059FE268508B403A6E20290CFA10BN3PR1101MB1059_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve - using the Bird 43 originally with 2-30MHz 1Kw 1000H insert on 475kH= z, and then compared it with a 1Kw 1000P 450kHz-2.5MHz insert and maybe (ma= ybe) the 2-30MHz insert was showing low about 10% on this machine using 200= W carrier power (clean sine) - Note - Ive been told others have different cal tables and the differences w= ere larger but I was surprised my Delta was so low between the plug element= s. Measurements were using a Bird 500W Termaline and confirmed with Pk/Pk s= cope. Im typically using the Dual metered (Phase and Z) M0BMU Tuning meter and t= hough for 136kHz gives good results on 475kHz and although it does affect t= he termination Z and phase a bit according to the AIM4170 I leave it in lin= e and not gone thru a pair of FETS for a year or two - Ive not done the mod= s suggested for 500kHz as its used both for 136/475 Laurence GM4DMA ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org on behalf of Steve Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SWR Bridges Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR bridg= e on 630m and if so, what did you find out? Thanks, Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl The VE7SL Radio Notebook - Shaw Communications members.shaw.ca The Radio DX and Other Amateur Radio Activities of VE7SL, Mayne Island, B.C= .- Canada VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves"= : http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pXjCkPG4GVQ/WBEfYG53EAI/AAAAAAAADqk/D4gFu_izKwY= ysPo4NhPU3wWs9sXxDwU9wCLcB/s320/ypm.jpeg] VE7SL - Steve - Amateur Radio Blog ve7sl.blogspot.ca A blog about amateur radio and homebrewing at VE7SL located on Mayne Island= , BC. topics include 630m, 2200m, 6m, DX, and vintage radios. --_000_BN3PR1101MB1059FE268508B403A6E20290CFA10BN3PR1101MB1059_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steve - using the Bird 43 originally with 2-30MHz 1Kw 1000H insert on 47= 5kHz, and then compared it with a 1Kw 1000P 450kHz-2.5MHz insert and maybe = (maybe) the 2-30MHz insert was showing low about 10% on this machine using = 200W carrier power (clean sine) -


Note - Ive been told others have different cal tables and the difference= s were larger but I was surprised my Delta was so low between the plug elem= ents. Measurements were using a Bird 500W Termaline and confirmed with Pk/P= k scope.


Im typically using the Dual metered (Phase and Z)  M0BMU Tuning met= er and though for 136kHz gives good results on 475kHz and although it does = affect the termination Z and phase a bit according to the AIM4170 I leave i= t in line and not gone thru a pair of FETS for a year or two - Ive not done the mods suggested for 500kHz as its= used both for 136/475


Laurence GM4DMA




From: owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> on behalf of S= teve <VE7SL@shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:52 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: SWR Bridges
 
Has anyone here had experience using (or attemptin= g to use) an HF SWR bridge
on 630m and if so, what did you find out?


Thanks,

Steve


WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook":  http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl

members.shaw.ca
The Radio DX and Other Amateur Radio Activities of VE7SL, Mayne Island, B.C= .- Canada




VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanow= aves":
http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/

ve7sl.blogspot.ca
A blog about amateur radio and homebrewing at VE7SL located on Mayne Island= , BC. topics include 630m, 2200m, 6m, DX, and vintage radios.





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[79.46.134.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j185sm1417306wmg.13.2016.11.02.00.16.03 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Nov 2016 00:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <741E1AE792F64B319A2BB5C60E77BCEF@FaustoPC> From: "ik4nmf" To: References: , In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 08:16:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Scan-Signature: ce3df9f2acd7587159138e0455ceb9aa Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01D234E1.5AE41A30" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 12151 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9340 Messaggio multiparte in formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01D234E1.5AE41A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Laurence,=20 I have tested a 2-30 MHz 1000H slug on my Bird 43 on 475 KHz and he = need about 2.2 KW=20 to read full scale on the meter with clean sine wave signal on 50 ohm = dummy load.=20 I think that not all the H series slug are identical.=20 The 2.5 Kw slug does not work on 475 KHz.=20 73, Fausto IK4NMF=20 From: Laurence KL7 L=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Steve - using the Bird 43 originally with 2-30MHz 1Kw 1000H insert on = 475kHz, and then compared it with a 1Kw 1000P 450kHz-2.5MHz insert and = maybe (maybe) the 2-30MHz insert was showing low about 10% on this = machine using 200W carrier power (clean sine) -=20 Note - Ive been told others have different cal tables and the = differences were larger but I was surprised my Delta was so low between = the plug elements. Measurements were using a Bird 500W Termaline and = confirmed with Pk/Pk scope. Im typically using the Dual metered (Phase and Z) M0BMU Tuning meter = and though for 136kHz gives good results on 475kHz and although it does = affect the termination Z and phase a bit according to the AIM4170 I = leave it in line and not gone thru a pair of FETS for a year or two - = Ive not done the mods suggested for 500kHz as its used both for 136/475 Laurence GM4DMA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = on behalf of Steve Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SWR Bridges=20 Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR = bridge=20 on 630m and if so, what did you find out? Thanks, Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl The = VE7SL Radio Notebook - Shaw Communications members.shaw.ca The Radio DX and Other Amateur Radio Activities of VE7SL, Mayne = Island, B.C.- Canada=20 VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to = Nanowaves":=20 http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ VE7SL - Steve - Amateur Radio Blog ve7sl.blogspot.ca A blog about amateur radio and homebrewing at VE7SL located on = Mayne Island, BC. topics include 630m, 2200m, 6m, DX, and vintage = radios.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01D234E1.5AE41A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Laurence,
 
I have tested a 2-30 MHz 1000H  slug on my Bird 43 on 475 KHz = and he=20 need about 2.2 KW
to read full scale on the meter with clean sine wave signal on 50 = ohm dummy=20 load.
I think that not all the H series slug are identical.
The 2.5 Kw slug does not work on 475 KHz.
 
73, Fausto IK4NMF
 
From: Laurence KL7 L
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:33 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SWR Bridges
 

Steve - using the Bird 43 originally with 2-30MHz 1Kw 1000H insert on = 475kHz,=20 and then compared it with a 1Kw 1000P 450kHz-2.5MHz insert and maybe = (maybe) the=20 2-30MHz insert was showing low about 10% on this machine using 200W = carrier=20 power (clean sine) -

 

Note - Ive been told others have different cal tables and the = differences=20 were larger but I was surprised my Delta was so low between the plug = elements.=20 Measurements were using a Bird 500W Termaline and confirmed with Pk/Pk=20 scope.

 

Im typically using the Dual metered (Phase and Z)  M0BMU Tuning = meter=20 and though for 136kHz gives good results on 475kHz and although it does = affect=20 the termination Z and phase a bit according to the AIM4170 I leave it in = line=20 and not gone thru a pair of FETS for a year or two - Ive not done the = mods=20 suggested for 500kHz as its used both for 136/475

 

Laurence GM4DMA




From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> on behalf of Steve=20 <VE7SL@shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:52=20 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: SWR = Bridges
=20
 
Has anyone here had experience using (or = attempting to use)=20 an HF SWR bridge
on 630m and if so, what did you find=20 out?


Thanks,

Steve


WEB - "The VE7SL Radio=20 Notebook":  http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl=20
The VE7SL Radio Notebook - Shaw = Communications
members.shaw.ca
The=20 Radio DX and Other Amateur Radio Activities of VE7SL, Mayne = Island, B.C.-=20 Canada



VE7SL BLOG = -=20 "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves":
http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/=20
VE7SL - Steve - Amateur Radio Blog
ve7sl.blogspot.ca
A=20 blog about amateur radio and homebrewing at VE7SL located on Mayne = Island,=20 BC. topics include 630m, 2200m, 6m, DX, and vintage=20 = radios.




------=_NextPart_000_0026_01D234E1.5AE41A30-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 10:03:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA293Z7u021724 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:03:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1rOz-0001ZJ-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:00:09 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1rOz-0001ZA-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:00:09 +0000 Received: from smtp10.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.132] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1rOt-0006iK-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:00:08 +0000 Received: from PCPMF ([109.219.86.9]) by mwinf5d88 with ME id 2wzy1u00E0C5QDZ03wzyDh; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:00:00 +0100 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:00:00 +0100 X-ME-IP: 109.219.86.9 Message-ID: From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:59:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161101-1, 01/11/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: LF: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9341 Hello Steve. Most of the commercial 1.8 to 30 MHz SWR works perfectly on the 630 m band. Here I use an old DAIWA CN101-L which works fine on 630 and 2200m band. The only thing to do is to turn sligtly the two direct and reflected potentiomete to have correct reading in direct and reflected power. I think it is not necessary to built a special bridge if you have an HF Power/SWR meter. 73 Andy. -----Message d'origine----- From: Steve Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SWR Bridges Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR bridge on 630m and if so, what did you find out? Thanks, Steve WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 10:03:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA293bkg021732 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:03:37 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1rOO-0001Z1-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:59:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1rOO-0001Ys-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:59:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-2.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1rOL-0006i2-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:59:31 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.7] ([79.69.147.89]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 1rOJc0dgvg5ct1rOJclXGJ; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:59:28 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=1605; t=1478077168; bh=sbKBcg2jJIMzhwtjVuSs8LctcqdG4YK7ixl7bPJvGMQ=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=cZgdxAhUg6ssgqKsGjfv82VRdVEOwNt5z6UG8uC89W6xgXRqsDw5oP3iAHyca8pQ5 TZ3syHNyDok+plq3cPe80R6avs2xjgNE6mxjCHmb9hNxOTsC7StrYFWbi5LFDLkwtd xxvS8H6ERtEZCt8nq+HEdLgMyY2JYZHZtJwjA2Hk= X-Originating-IP: [79.69.147.89] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.2 cv=bdMpa6HB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hldZTU72ocZcKyiBByZpuQ==:117 a=hldZTU72ocZcKyiBByZpuQ==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=UwszTSzdZEX4AzwweHYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=dN9iOub862w2pECfTrYA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" From: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 08:59:26 +0000 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfLP8QVV497gROtSQ2zCvR5cBBpcnbYAB64RAPHGBK0yhEJXsqP77R8oB4mjFqxqBkmmFZAJFx/bPqjnVmADtqC+uP+oE/Ae0CZScF+rNd0o1dQSxQQng uwUBb8oFJFWo6se3RkYEK6S3Al/8BfNMd8saXMqWEBAG0kFtZzbTG6K0jE/qwEKjuJU45sT4ttu4XEBfQ5DLYAY/KGEFtqqN3mXuRxjAXTmXN+dYaW+ldliC x2270WS9UoWu1/+L8ti9LA== X-Scan-Signature: 8ef270cc2ec30cd34b6313d7ada17a45 Message-Id: Subject: LF: NO INTERNET Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3077D468-7AEC-442B-8FC9-24124416F460_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 3950 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9342 --_3077D468-7AEC-442B-8FC9-24124416F460_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" No internet available during last night for several hours. Maybe a Cyber at= tack. Communications via a third party ie Interenet, Satellites, Cell Phones etc = very vulnerable. Direct communications is preferable like Amateur Radio and especially mode= s like CW / SSB/AM/FM. I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup system on LF/MF/H= F otherwise in the event of a Big Bang Destroying the Satellite system which includes GPS navigation there would b= e chaos. Already cyber attacks are causing concern.=20 The vulnerability includes Broadcasting services that are dependent on sate= llites and Internet. It is noticeable on HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY as= back up, quite active at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 Mhz= .=20 Maybe others have noticed this trend De G3KEV Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --_3077D468-7AEC-442B-8FC9-24124416F460_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

No internet available during last ni= ght for several hours. Maybe a Cyber attack.

Commun= ications via a third party ie Interenet, Satellites, Cell Phones etc very v= ulnerable.

Direct communications is preferable like= Amateur Radio and=C2=A0 especially modes like CW / SSB/AM/FM.

I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup syst= em on LF/MF/HF otherwise in the event of a Big Bang

Destroying the Satellite system which includes GPS navigation there would = be chaos.

Already cyber attacks are =C2=A0causing c= oncern.

The vulnerability includes Broadcasting se= rvices that are dependent on satellites and Internet.

It is noticeable on HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY= as back up, quite active at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 = Mhz.

Maybe others have noticed this trend

 

De G3KEV

 

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= --_3077D468-7AEC-442B-8FC9-24124416F460_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 10:46:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA29keh7021909 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:46:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1s3k-0001mD-Nv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:42:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1s3k-0001m4-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:42:16 +0000 Received: from rgout0202.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.201] helo=rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1s3g-0006xv-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:42:15 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.186.175.50 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: c.ashby435@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=8/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.10.25.164217:17:8.707,ip=,rules=NO_URI_FOUND, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND, NO_MESSAGE_ID, TO_MALFORMED, NO_URI_HTTPS Received: from IBM7FFA209F07C (86.186.175.50) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.07.01-1) (authenticated as c.ashby435@btinternet.com) id 57F4D2C7060775DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:42:10 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1478079732; bh=z5bLTquSK7Js/xxZOQcM2Kc7Xbs3bagG0M8C6S6//Hw=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=tXepdNprHCv9+Z46ukf5H+fxHcEE00THOk0xC7tnYqkxqsttg8mGsJp9QF3DLtApokq08aOBoGnLtMh9susBsYAaZ52+9rGvaZyvWWRmzOaC/qpXUY05qtgexhF3osqX9QKe2x3RxTf+v04PCd3SfF1eMiC0jwuZDdFoQc26vi8= Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:42:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9343 Hi Steve, I found a lack of sensitivity with my 1.8 - 160MHz Welz SWR/PWR meter on 630m, so not much good for a few watts, probably OK with high power. I found the best solution was to build one. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:52 PM Subject: LF: SWR Bridges > Has anyone here had experience using (or attempting to use) an HF SWR > bridge on 630m and if so, what did you find out? > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > > VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to > Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 11:17:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2AHnDv022117 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:17:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1sXc-0001tw-Df for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1sXb-0001tn-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:07 +0000 Received: from nm33-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.106]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1sXY-00078c-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:06 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1478081583; bh=+Ya0LKKuNx67dpJWlvZQTj7VUNPaYP3uEVOL2QfCCBc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Anc00hzBuFhN9yS70l80y1CkFdweKgJD5TNY36iPlbwGERWKlgg+Z7jzU+wh9MR1Ig9IA6n5WqVdlT9b7eF9Mw8kO379FJGtxobR0jKjM8NQF8J5kIqOTcnK5RnSbHwTuir6AaXwQPm7EJizAuTJedpLnKq+m7R5zAEIWdkQvLvqFUMJdCrGhYn82NWLx6VY1Vj5BbgSZKcUkEA071jrbZLm/chvChCkYYiDhe1RKhBV9zbmP6ykeVAC605ruqMkNQY22oeXQsn9tRiFBArLCGu09yNPrQ6p8/AGIZ4SDJ0S62Te/0d8m6yHx8dFpOecLpQ0GNKFgpQlOy/lNG+h6w== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.74] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 683910.86661.bm@omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: HLkmYh0VM1k9iBInpTko5BzzV0uKkyZtmpriK.fOF6z1ObPFHuduQHtM6xHjAon w5FV_KTN.DmI9vMjZXQqeBrrtGifmhk7iBHHlknR_Nw99Eu_gHNC1ycEClBAQB2lS3sKgIAoqHuE COIge3j5JPejW4YMn69ycwkOOu0NgmhvRPs9baYiHDXd1HAha3TvuO1NsMxieck1PNSJc6cLuLAv YdSnYrCGVM5qAFTS62CMJMlA.8hD.9v.2.7I.QbQzI.UJ8GzCuVJHcjDsZCWEvic9.DjXY.d_vcc _ERjtbb5oj.eetqDXt7E2.VpdMd3M5dHYkhzrIGqNRq4vWnKvdB82T23B_a3Rrq_9UgQYz6f5pzd aWroH.zEYnFQB_NDZtoOhmlUnc.crzXZSICSy.Vrovtoix64U01ftlfCRebqO8qbezDsMnmaaCTb GRxhCiz0wLQytQrlLJAu4ruAu.y16ZsBRt66.PJlMnZhoBAKqsugsqKX7GfAJ5sov1Bt_3B7eucc A1UP9cV_jIceFOyz5HRTUxfyf9pdMs3w- Received: from jws700039.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 +0000; 1478081583.313 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:13:02 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1941663290.380251.1478081583023@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Re: LF: NO INTERNET Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 9593 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9344 ------=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV -I could not agree more. We are very privileged to have the RSBB to g= uard Ham radio for us. I am doing my own ELF and LF experiments, and have f= ound a good Tesla=C2=A0ELF antenna design that transmits a 1.6 Hz signal ar= ound the globe that can be seen on magnetometers. This antenna will soon be= tested on Long Wave on 162 kHz, sometime after Allouis (France)=C2=A0has c= losed. I really cannot understand why Long Wave broadcasting will soon be g= one in the UK with its amazing coverage. I would like to see the free acces= s=C2=A0to all on the now soon to be empty Long Wave Broadcast band -as is n= ow permitted in the USA. Could that become possible here? This would encour= age much more LF experimenting, and also would be very useful when a disast= er occurs. I think this is why the USA now allows this additional=C2=A0LW u= se=C2=A0-many interested in LF=C2=A0people, in known locations would be ava= ilable=C2=A0to 'draw=C2=A0on' when the unthinkable occurs. Could the RSGB p= ush this LW use for us forward here in the UK too? The USA=C2=A0is very ver= y=C2=A0wise to now have their Hams plus all the additional LW enthusiast in= place and ready for the worst!! With very kind regards to all, Dave.=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 From: "g3kevmal@talktalk.net" To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" ; "rsgb_l= f_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" =20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 8:59 Subject: LF: NO INTERNET =20 No internet available during la= st night for several hours. Maybe a Cyber attack.Communications via a third= party ie Interenet, Satellites, Cell Phones etc very vulnerable.Direct com= munications is preferable like Amateur Radio and=C2=A0 especially modes lik= e CW / SSB/AM/FM.I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup = system on LF/MF/HF otherwise in the event of a Big BangDestroying the Satel= lite system which includes GPS navigation there would be chaos.Already cybe= r attacks are =C2=A0causing concern. The vulnerability includes Broadcastin= g services that are dependent on satellites and Internet.It is noticeable o= n HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY as back up, quite ac= tive at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 Mhz. Maybe others hav= e noticed this trend =C2=A0De G3KEV =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =C2=A0 =20 ------=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3KEV -I could not agree more. We are very privileged to have = the RSBB to guard Ham radio for us. I am doing my own ELF and LF experiment= s, and have found a good Tesla ELF antenna design that transmits a 1.6= Hz signal around the globe that can be seen on magnetometers. This antenna= will soon be tested on Long Wave on 162 kHz, sometime after Allouis (Franc= e) has closed. I really cannot understand why Long Wave broadcasting w= ill soon be gone in the UK with its amazing coverage. I would like to see t= he free access to all on the now soon to be empty Long Wave Broadcast = band -as is now permitted in the USA. Could that become possible here? This= would encourage much more LF experimenting, and also would be very useful = when a disaster occurs. I think this is why the USA now allows this additio= nal LW use -many interested in LF people, in known locations= would be available to 'draw on' when the unthinkable occurs. Cou= ld the RSGB push this LW use for us forward here in the UK too? The USA&nbs= p;is very very wise to now have their Hams plus all the additional LW = enthusiast in place and ready for the worst!! With very kind regards to all= , Dave.
&= nbsp;  



From: "g3kevmal@talktal= k.net" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org>; "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroup= s.co.uk>
Sent: Wed= nesday, 2 November 2016, 8:59
Sub= ject: LF: NO INTERNET

No internet available during last night for several hours. Maybe a Cyber = attack.
Communications via a third party ie Interenet, Satellit= es, Cell Phones etc very vulnerable.
Direct communications is preferable like Amateur Radio and  espec= ially modes like CW / SSB/AM/FM.
I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup system on LF/MF/= HF otherwise in the event of a Big Bang
Destroying the Satellite system which includes GPS navigation there= would be chaos.
Already cyber a= ttacks are  causing concern.
The vulnerability includes Broadcasting services that are dependent on s= atellites and Internet.
It is no= ticeable on HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY as back up= , quite active at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 Mhz.
=
Maybe others have noticed this trend<= /div>
 
De G3KEV
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------=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 12:02:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2B2vm7022324 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:02:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1tFn-00022A-5e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:58:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1tFm-000221-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:58:46 +0000 Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com ([212.50.160.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1tFk-0007N3-37 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:58:45 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.31,583,1473116400"; d="scan'208";a="126248783" Received: from unknown (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([109.176.251.193]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2016 10:58:40 +0000 Message-ID: <5819C6DE.5040300@lineone.net> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:58:38 +0000 From: LineOne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 7b4dbd93955117b98f3a6ac4d7602f88 Subject: LF: LF report for IK1HSS overnight 2-3 Nov. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9345 137.452kHz, WSPR2: From 0000 to 0402 last night, IK1HSS was received with s/n between -26 and -31dB. 73, Hugh, M0DSZ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 12:37:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2BbqAP022455 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:37:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1tnr-00029P-Qv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:33:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1tnr-00029G-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:33:59 +0000 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-11.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1tno-0007Xg-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:33:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([86.31.33.210]) by know-smtprelay-11-imp with bizsmtp id 2zZp1u00P4Y1DuW01zZsgz; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:33:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [86.31.33.210] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=e9z7Mvd/ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jn/JOh/JfiX48zzdjRLp/g==:117 a=jn/JOh/JfiX48zzdjRLp/g==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=wakH9e78iecA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vSV5F5HdAAAA:8 a=uq-75T7-tVO50sAIV_wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=u-bxDfc4td8A:10 a=fR0JnBIas3YA:10 a=lT1yY1oS_GwA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=di3MIpUh8H90Ega2ET35:22 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:33:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5819CF1C.25151.5DD95F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.71.565) Content-description: Mail message body X-Scan-Signature: 6aac716dc074d63ee3780b79bbe46b5d Subject: LF: QRSS60 tests on 136.172 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9346 I will be running some tests today prior to doing overnight transmissions later this week. The tests will be on 136.1726kHz, QRSS60. See DF6NM's grabber (http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/Grabber.htm) to check that I am transmitting. By the way, most of the discussion here concerns 472kHz. But there is still daily activity on 136kHz, mostly Op32 and WSPR, with several of us routinely achieving distances 2000-3000km. Why not join us? Mike, G3XDV From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 12:55:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TINY_FONT,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2BtblP022531 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:55:37 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1u3y-0002Fx-Tj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:50:38 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1u3y-0002Fo-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:50:38 +0000 Received: from smtpcmd0763.aruba.it ([62.149.156.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1u3s-0007e9-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:50:37 +0000 Received: from ik0vve.net ([62.149.158.90]) by smtpcmd07.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id 2zqV1u00S1xJdJu01zqVKX; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:50:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:50:29 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15821c9eeb0-9a5-1727c@webprd-a43.mail.aol.com> References: <15821c9eeb0-9a5-1727c@webprd-a43.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 From: "Max IK0VVE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-XaM3-API-Version: V3(R2) X-SenderIP: 212.66.105.4 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aruba.it; s=a1; t=1478087429; bh=Mm2JAYwLkjTAcyBx7H0mp0/OVovkZmTHn287uot/be8=; h=Date:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:From:To; b=YD5aTkZCb1OZ5IL8K0qCZY9L4idScY9zvOY4LgRxnNXAiHhC1NkHBymoDsPEJUJec 1WSlkx7gSyTZeh5pjYwZm6CeWKk9MOkTtWcq/iAH+fmPOo6k2BPXivyg4QCJnhMDVy JN43qoU86RzoICaw52H/2zJC+wvQ0LceMNauRbX/2S0xw1W6GiURw6yZhyhSAGowlw v9lavMtwx3Uusea7DljYgyXQf+WBBo3Qc6zmiNYYn838EOmd/OKhz8b4ibRW3LEm1+ JZiurBJDXowHXAK2feraFxe/FtHMGxxENcMQy0Dg9X7cxMIXAikGpNq2OUA/jO5/Xv OE6Hs+jM0CAUQ== X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Italian Hell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1478087429.2A.247074.42.20668.52.42.007.432360524" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 4740 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9347 --_=__=_XaM3_.1478087429.2A.247074.42.20668.52.42.007.432360524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AHi Markus and all friends,=0Afor me it was the first time on MF with S= low Hell and I can see that it runs!=0AAs usual Italians done a hell of f= requency, HI HI=C2=A0=0A=0AI hope you enjoyed receiving our messages.=C2=A0= =0A=0A73, Max IK0VVE=C2=A0=0A=0A______________________________=C2=A0...he= re some of my HAM Radio projects...SkyGeM RotatorAntennaDinamicaRCR-DX=0A= www.ik0vve.net=0A=0A=0ADa: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0AA: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org=0ACc: =0AData: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400=0AOg= getto: LF: Italian Hell=0A=0A=0ANice Hell transmissions around 476.18 kHz= , currently=C2=A0from IW4DXW, IK0VVE and IK1HGI. Have a look at the botto= m of=C2=A0our MF grabbers:=0Ahttp://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vl= f/DK7FC_remote_RDF_Grabber.html=0Ahttp://www.df6nm.de/opera/opds.htm=0A=0A= 73 and have a good time,=0AMarkus (DF6NM)=0A=0A --_=__=_XaM3_.1478087429.2A.247074.42.20668.52.42.007.432360524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Markus= and all friends,
for me it was the first time on MF with Slow Hell an= d I can see that it runs!
As usual Italians done a hell of frequency, = HI HI 

I hope you enjoyed receiving our messages. 
73, Max IK0VVE 

= _________________________= _____

 = ;
...here some of my HAM Radio projects...

www.ik0vve.net


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Da= : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Cc: <= /span>
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Data: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400
=0A
Oggetto: LF: Italian Hell
=0A
=0A=
Nice Hell transmissions around 476.18 kHz, currently from I= W4DXW, IK0VVE and IK1HGI. Have a look at the bottom of our MF grabbe= rs:
http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_remote_RDF_Gra= bber.html
http://www.df6nm.de/opera/opds.htm

73 and have a good= time,
Markus (DF6NM)

--_=__=_XaM3_.1478087429.2A.247074.42.20668.52.42.007.432360524-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 13:50:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2CoD3H022715 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:50:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1uvG-0002Ns-QH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:45:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1uvG-0002Nj-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:45:42 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1uv8-0007uk-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:45:41 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BEC320AE4 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:45:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t879j2QXgz106Q for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:45:28 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5819DFE8.9020508@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:45:28 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15821c9eeb0-9a5-1727c@webprd-a43.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: d5ac66e7920295f519efeb68ecc59e6f Subject: Re: LF: Italian Hell Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010108000909080108030809" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 6322 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9348 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010108000909080108030809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Max, It was very nice! Italy is very well QRV on MF (and LF these days), a real radio nation. It was just a day ago that i increased the range of my QRSS3 grabber, then i saw that someone makes use of the full spectrum :-) 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 12:50, schrieb Max IK0VVE: > > Hi Markus and all friends, > for me it was the first time on MF with Slow Hell and I can see that > it runs! > As usual Italians done a hell of frequency, HI HI > > I hope you enjoyed receiving our messages. > > 73, Max IK0VVE > > ______________________________ > > /...here some of my HAM Radio projects.../ > */SkyGeM Rotator/* > */AntennaDinamica/* > */RCR-DX/* > / > / > /www.ik0vve.net/ > > > Da: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: > Data: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400 > Oggetto: LF: Italian Hell > > Nice Hell transmissions around 476.18 kHz, currently from IW4DXW, > IK0VVE and IK1HGI. Have a look at the bottom of our MF grabbers: > http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_remote_RDF_Grabber.html > http://www.df6nm.de/opera/opds.htm > > 73 and have a good time, > Markus (DF6NM) > --------------010108000909080108030809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Max,

It was very nice! Italy is very well QRV on MF (and LF these days), a real radio nation.
It was just a day ago that i increased the range of my QRSS3 grabber, then i saw that someone makes use of the full spectrum :-)

73, Stefan

Am 02.11.2016 12:50, schrieb Max IK0VVE:

Hi Markus and all friends,
for me it was the first time on MF with Slow Hell and I can see that it runs!
As usual Italians done a hell of frequency, HI HI 

I hope you enjoyed receiving our messages. 

73, Max IK0VVE 

______________________________

 
...here some of my HAM Radio projects...



Cc:
Data: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 17:27:11 -0400
Oggetto: LF: Italian Hell

Nice Hell transmissions around 476.18 kHz, currently from IW4DXW, IK0VVE and IK1HGI. Have a look at the bottom of our MF grabbers:
http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_remote_RDF_Grabber.html
http://www.df6nm.de/opera/opds.htm

73 and have a good time,
Markus (DF6NM)

--------------010108000909080108030809-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 14:06:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2D60Po022752 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:06:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1vAe-0002UX-4l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:01:36 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1vAd-0002UO-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:01:35 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1vAb-00080r-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:01:34 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5F6520008 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:01:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t87XC2Fgzz106Q for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:01:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:01:30 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 60cd3dc4440dc5d656099dfe3d5cf4d2 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070704060108030109060102" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 14314 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9349 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070704060108030109060102 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020406050101010605070503" --------------020406050101010605070503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, OK, thanks and congrats, the message is correct :-) It was time to get a decode again so i started with just 3 characters. The antenna current plot is in attachment. As you know, the next message is already running: *f = 6470.00000 Hz Start time: 02.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC Symbol length: 30 s Characters: 7 CRC 16 Coding 16K25A Duration: 10h, 56m, 0s* *Antenna current: ~ 280 mA * The transmission is started automatically by SpecLab. I started to transmit an hour earlier, to heat (and dry!) up the coil so i do get the full antenna current. The phase keying started at 7 UTC. QRN levels are very low today, so we may be lucky? I'm looking forward to the results! So far the 10 character record was by using 100s symbols at 8K19A, this took almost 21 hours. 7 characters would take 17 hours in that mode. Now we try it with 11 hours and a higher coding gain and we can expect lower QRN and less phase variations during the shorter period. Actually not unlikely! :-) 73, Stefan PS: You wrote: -63 dB in 2.5 kHz. That sounds very strong!?? It means +13 dB (good for QRSS/DFCW) in 62.5 uHz, so fine for QRSS-60000. Not bad at all! But 'yes' would take about 2 weeks in that mode... Am 01.11.2016 19:23, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 6470.00000 Hz > > Start time: 01.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 40 s > > Characters: 3 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > Duration: 10h, 18m, 40s > > Antenna current: ~ 280 mA > > Copied 'YES' at Eb/N0 = +5.7dB, BER = 35.6% > > Constant reference phase. > > Carrier S/N: 16.96 dB in 26.9 uHz. > > About -63dB in 2.5kHz bandwidth after sferic > blanking. > > I was expecting around +6.5dB based on the > daytime carrier measured on 10th October. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------020406050101010605070503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul,

OK, thanks and congrats, the message is correct :-) It was time to get a decode again so i started with just 3 characters.
The antenna current plot is in attachment.
As you know, the next message is already running:

f = 6470.00000 Hz
Start time: 02.11.2016   07:00:00 UTC
Symbol length: 30 s
Characters: 7
CRC 16
Coding 16K25A
Duration: 10h, 56m, 0s

Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

The transmission is started automatically by SpecLab. I started to transmit an hour earlier, to heat (and dry!) up the coil so i do get the full antenna current. The phase keying started at 7 UTC.
QRN levels are very low today, so we may be lucky? I'm looking forward to the results!
So far the 10 character record was by using 100s symbols at 8K19A, this took almost 21 hours. 7 characters would take 17 hours in that mode. Now we try it with 11 hours and a higher coding gain and we can expect lower QRN and less phase variations during the shorter period. Actually not unlikely! :-)

73, Stefan

PS: You wrote: -63 dB in 2.5 kHz. That sounds very strong!?? It means +13 dB (good for QRSS/DFCW) in 62.5 uHz, so fine for QRSS-60000. Not bad at all! But 'yes' would take about 2 weeks in that mode...




Am 01.11.2016 19:23, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Stefan wrote:

> f = 6470.00000 Hz
> Start time: 01.11.2016   07:00:00 UTC
> Symbol length: 40 s
> Characters: 3
> CRC 16
> Coding 16K25A
> Duration: 10h, 18m, 40s
> Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

Copied 'YES' at Eb/N0 = +5.7dB, BER = 35.6%

Constant reference phase.

Carrier S/N: 16.96 dB in 26.9 uHz.

About -63dB in 2.5kHz bandwidth after sferic
blanking.

I was expecting around +6.5dB based on the
daytime carrier measured on 10th October.

--
Paul Nicholson
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text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9350 Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my inquiry. It seems that results vary depending upon what meter is being used but it sounds as though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally use the scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' but was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for those that do not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of matching an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be unreliable and only lead to confusion. Steve 73 WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 20:12:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2JCG4E025522 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:12:16 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c20sL-0002v9-Bh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:07:05 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c20sK-0002v0-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:07:04 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c20sF-0001EQ-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:07:03 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCCDC2064A for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:06:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8Hdp6f6Xz1063 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:06:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581A394C.6080703@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:06:52 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5819CF1C.25151.5DD95F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <5819CF1C.25151.5DD95F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Scan-Signature: 980b7b130ae158a85c10dc1040b9d738 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS60 tests on 136.172 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090803070409040706070208" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 73876 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9351 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090803070409040706070208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, Good copy, as usual. 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 12:33, schrieb Mike Dennison: > I will be running some tests today prior to doing overnight > transmissions later this week. The tests will be on 136.1726kHz, > QRSS60. See DF6NM's grabber (http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/Grabber.htm) > to check that I am transmitting. > > By the way, most of the discussion here concerns 472kHz. But there is > still daily activity on 136kHz, mostly Op32 and WSPR, with several of > us routinely achieving distances 2000-3000km. 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19:35:07 +0000 (UTC) From: M0FMT To: Message-ID: <218904496.1344539.1478115307122@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <218904496.1344539.1478115307122.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA2JeGvu025590 Content-Length: 1278 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9352 Hi all Adjust your tuned antenna matching transformer to give maximum current in your " L" or "T" antenna up lead. Measure your current using a suitable incandescent light bulb brought to maximum brightness, about 50p's worth from Halfords. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT GQRP#15097.in IO91UX -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2/11/16, Steve wrote: Subject: LF: Re: SWR Bridges To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2016, 18:12 Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my inquiry. It seems that results vary depending upon what meter is being used but it sounds as though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally use the scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' but was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for those that do not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of matching an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be unreliable and only lead to confusion. Steve  73 WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook":  http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 20:40:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2JeS68025598 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:40:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c21L7-00032i-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:36:49 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c21L6-00032Y-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:36:48 +0000 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c21L3-0001Nm-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:36:47 +0000 Received: from feu11 (10.192.64.21) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.060.43) id 58047486005A64F1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:36:43 +0100 Received: from (82.54.199.177) by wmlighttin.pc.tim.it; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:36:43 +0100 Message-ID: <158268b278b.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:36:43 +0100 (CET) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 82.54.199.177 X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: R: LF: LF report for IK1HSS overnight 2-3 Nov. Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA2JeS68025598 Content-Length: 1480 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9353 Hello Hugh, let me thank you, aswell all the other LFers for reports! See that my wspr transmission, despite the low power, can be received and decoded makes me happy :-) On Halloween eve I had my troubles with RF tricks while looking to finish the fine tuning of the antenna on MF getting very strange readings probably for a bad ground connection.. as usual when such things happens I stop the task and start to mumbling, the day after everything was selfcured and was again able to start to send HIHI the Halloween was passe and troubles too! Just for info to you dear listners the TX has power out of 25 W, antenna current is 0.7A. The antenna is a 10m "tall" vertical with 100m of topload (2x5 sloping wires 10m long) resonated on MF with a coil between the radiator and the top hat, plus a switchable base coil to resonate all on LF; the antenna is hung to my mast (2m on the side of the radiator) and is placed on a 600m² metal roof at 35m from ground level, if you wish to see it from the sky, please hit the link https://www.google.it/maps/@45.0684687,7.6212843,34m/data=!3m1!1e3 Now is time to finish the MF rig. Thanks again everybody for reports 73 Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: dhchurch@lineone.net Data: 2-nov-2016 11.58 A: Ogg: LF: LF report for IK1HSS overnight 2-3 Nov. 137.452kHz, WSPR2: From 0000 to 0402 last night, IK1HSS was received with s/n between -26 and -31dB. 73, Hugh, M0DSZ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 20:55:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2JtEPe025662 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:55:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c21Zm-0003Fe-2k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:51:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c21Zl-0003FU-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:51:57 +0000 Received: from smtp1web.tin.it ([212.216.176.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c21Zi-0001Vi-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:51:56 +0000 Received: from feu11 (10.192.64.21) by smtp1web.tin.it (8.6.060.43) id 58047486005A773D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:51:53 +0100 Received: from (82.54.199.177) by wmlighttin.pc.tim.it; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:51:53 +0100 Message-ID: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:51:53 +0100 (CET) From: "marcocadeddu@tin.it" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 82.54.199.177 X-Scan-Signature: 3f8d74a8c70dd416d0a3a1dbcb9bb89f Subject: R: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1642 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9354 Hi Steve, wish to add just one comment sharing with you my experience. For routine tests or measures on antennas since almost a dozen of years use an home made VNA (I realized the N2PK VNA and still works fine!) this make available visual and numerical datas which very important to understand what I'm doing. As everybody, of course, I like to have an instrument in line while transmitting just to see is everything is "normal" and under control. For this purpose I made a small console which includes the low pass filter, an RF ammeter and an SWR bridge is very easy to design and make yourself such instrument I made mine covering from 137kHz to 160m and I guess it is reliable at least as all "in line" meters. 73 de Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: VE7SL@shaw.ca Data: 2-nov-2016 19.12 A: Ogg: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my inquiry. It seems that results vary depending upon what meter is being used but it sounds as though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally use the scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' but was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for those that do not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of matching an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be unreliable and only lead to confusion. Steve 73 WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 21:01:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2K1Ss4025672 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:01:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c21fJ-0003MD-6n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:57:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c21fI-0003M4-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:57:40 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c21fG-0001ZK-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:57:39 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=IUK253ELQHvIfrRE34ZHJPBCcDLhd3OAPk9Vnv9VKrE=; b=VjZLRnzHcP5M3LSpgWV59pCdok JxiqmyOi5H9w83kWjWhwiN8U4DZCKMMYynGYpDnbXTQmPtqzVlo/+bqR0CJXxp0DJczAIkd2kOw+Q XzPjMLVy8nVnEpi9iDMt7clkRSR+UePPmO8gGcL0T20rggvfBjCPiS8O5ATvKoPucgZA=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:55032 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c21fE-0001v2-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:57:36 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A64400415 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 19:57:35 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 19:57:35 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 4e3b1488273adbbe9757d6bdd5adf219 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9355 Stefan wrote: > f = 6470.00000 Hz > Start time: 02.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC > Symbol length: 30 s > Characters: 7 > CRC 16 > Coding 16K25A > Duration: 10h, 56m, 0s > Antenna current: ~ 280 mA Copied 'SUCCESS' at Eb/N0 = -0.2 dB BER 40.5%. Constant reference phase. Carrier S/N 15.5 dB in 25.4 uHz. -64.4 dB in 2500 Hz after sferic blanking. I was expecting to decode at about +1.2dB based on yesterday's S/N ratio. Today must have been a little noisier and I had to use a more aggressive blanker setting to maximise the Eb/N0. Uwe wrote: > EbNaut RX V0,4d tells me “Error: Not enough memory (trellis)”. You'll need a spare 22 GByte of RAM to decode this one. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 21:10:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2KAVkq025719 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:10:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c21p8-0003Sz-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:07:50 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c21p7-0003Sq-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:07:49 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c21p5-0001dX-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:07:48 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3160120A38 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:07:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8K003B0Cz105k for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:07:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581A4790.2070206@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:07:44 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1194 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9356 Hello Paul, Excellent, another very good result! :-) But now, we are already at -0.2 dB. Would you think a 11 character message will decode? If the reference phase was constant, could we afford a 2 hour longer transmission time, e.g. 6...18 UTC? Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean) for the last decode? It would be interesting to see how the errors are spread. 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 20:57, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 6470.00000 Hz > > Start time: 02.11.2016 07:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 30 s > > Characters: 7 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > Duration: 10h, 56m, 0s > > Antenna current: ~ 280 mA > > Copied 'SUCCESS' at Eb/N0 = -0.2 dB BER 40.5%. > > Constant reference phase. > > Carrier S/N 15.5 dB in 25.4 uHz. > -64.4 dB in 2500 Hz after sferic blanking. > > I was expecting to decode at about +1.2dB based on > yesterday's S/N ratio. Today must have been a little > noisier and I had to use a more aggressive blanker > setting to maximise the Eb/N0. > > Uwe wrote: > > > EbNaut RX V0,4d tells me “Error: Not enough memory (trellis)”. > > You'll need a spare 22 GByte of RAM to decode this one. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 21:28:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2KSoZX025759 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:28:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c226W-0003aN-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:25:48 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c226V-0003aE-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:25:47 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c226S-0001ka-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:25:46 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Reply-To:Subject:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nX9EPqkafmEPwm0QuyJ1Q1iEaVjs8NrNUZ7duacFGBg=; b=kDxmJNMeuLAQW7kcus+h1E7zMX yVMW6jIWc8FerpZXO4+gG8Y0rQHQOdQgXLtf02FhM117KNpk82AXR20k8ejBekUYQ7gc1OVEQC0oq 1yWPBkYbhZwBFeieDLse6V8e+1XN0hLbGW0Dgjy2ccCPrDuK+63vG+C0atAfr+qUgtCk=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:55120 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c226R-0004Mc-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:25:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6CA400008 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC) References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:25:42 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 0a4643e586472c13187d293ec5d096c2 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9357 Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. Using around 50% of the channel capacity. The carrier S/N is about 1.6 dB weaker than expected for that Eb/N0. > Would you think a 11 character message will decode? Yes, with the same signal and noise, it would decode at about +0.8 dB... if the terminator doesn't mess things up. > Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean) http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102a.gif There are 1312 transmitted symbols, 30 seconds each. Each red line indicates a symbol received in error, there are 502 of these. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 21:40:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2KeoIa025785 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:40:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c22I2-0003gW-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c22I2-0003gN-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:42 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c22Hy-0001pb-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:37:40 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DAA7209BD for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:37:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8KfT4lbJzytl for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:37:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581A4E91.8080908@posteo.de> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:37:37 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: c40596c1cc3306f1877076595a921c57 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000708070907030405050507" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2881 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9358 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000708070907030405050507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, OK, very well! Now, let's try: *f = 6470.00000 Hz Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC Symbol length: 30 s Characters: 11 CRC 16 Coding 16K25A Duration: 14h, 08m, 0s* *Antenna current: ~ 280 mA * 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises > the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% > S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. > > Using around 50% of the channel capacity. > > The carrier S/N is about 1.6 dB weaker than > expected for that Eb/N0. > > > Would you think a 11 character message will decode? > > Yes, with the same signal and noise, it would decode > at about +0.8 dB... if the terminator doesn't mess > things up. > > > Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean) > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102a.gif > > There are 1312 transmitted symbols, 30 seconds each. > Each red line indicates a symbol received in error, there > are 502 of these. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > --------------000708070907030405050507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Paul,

OK, very well!
Now, let's try:

f = 6470.00000 Hz
Start time: 03.11.2016   06:00:00 UTC
Symbol length: 30 s
Characters: 11
CRC 16
Coding 16K25A
Duration: 14h, 08m, 0s

Antenna current: ~ 280 mA

73, Stefan




Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises
the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2%
S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz.

Using around 50% of the channel capacity.

The carrier S/N is about 1.6 dB weaker than
expected for that Eb/N0.

> Would you think a 11 character message will decode?

Yes, with the same signal and noise, it would decode
at about +0.8 dB... if the terminator doesn't mess
things up.

> Can you provide a bit error image (you know what i mean)

 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102a.gif

There are 1312 transmitted symbols, 30 seconds each.
Each red line indicates a symbol received in error, there
are 502 of these.

--
Paul Nicholson
--

--------------000708070907030405050507-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 22:04:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2L4j2x025850 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 22:04:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c22ex-0003oS-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:01:23 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c22ex-0003oJ-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:01:23 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c22eu-0001xo-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:01:22 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Reply-To:Subject:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9iVmQLiqLOKMJyK/1PADp/xQBaF3vA2eQ0vncpJ9g68=; b=2LxomgDRwc3t+B1t/AmOLT5e4o S3dJtTTWKhbIR3vibKLdCtUkKbTZpRVKnmiGd7+EaQhPSk6Q9xrq5F9WbcFVKuj1HN24fPJrofc5y 4/D9mKGdeK9fum2RWjiafr2bKroNizGPK9mst+JZU+WZJn/B/7iGS8yfesq3X4ke3e9o=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:55273 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c22et-0007JE-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:01:19 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE69400415 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:01:19 +0000 (UTC) References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:01:18 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9359 I added the relative background noise at 6470 Hz to the error map, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102b.gif Tried some further settings of blanker but no improvement over the +1.7 dB. > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > Symbol length: 30 s > Characters: 11 Should have a good chance if we have another quiet day. I think that 15 chars with 25 second symbols is probably within reach (at about -0.4 dB) but let's try 11 chars first. The error map is useful for planning transmissions. Even though the signal is too weak to plot its amplitude, the error map reveals when the signal is strong enough. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 22:40:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2LeGcF025941 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 22:40:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c23DT-0003wh-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:37:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c23DT-0003wY-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:37:03 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca ([64.59.136.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c23DP-00029Q-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:37:02 +0000 Received: from StevePC ([24.108.60.123]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id 23DJcfvhuKjjy23DKcEoNw; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:36:55 -0600 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=shaw.ca Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1478122615; bh=lj6mU3M7VFRjlJzIRHr+pdnX5PSTeRUlPwEISwY7YeI=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=LYMrar+7Crb1ig/9c6jt5yNduygrqYEIpvM46fFF2V3yXNOWbQ7hx1F/ZV0xjSzK0 mwAVfPOciDSebCK46Z+KpNK7unMdHDhSLZN2w7IeMumAMmSHcQKWfzbos8vV7TmxJ5 AUXO1ayxo3PjlSVoLu0Qb3yQfOkN4y4O4jC90SdrnjF1amvN6RMYFu7/oxbJpNMj5t 9UuT2lTtV1+XaSf3p9oSwH1wd1xPhE5o7xFq4lLZKoSG3KL4LEeRB1dbX7SE4fQHpH m/D1DoC7fk2CqrMZCpyezbxKxkOtusKvHTqNbnpKUooo5CmEY0j9A3PHCAzNWaM8TL lUcX2N0mN836A== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=SPoybKnH c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:117 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=eL5lqVd3AAAA:8 a=ICqx0QUejiOJxpFqzToA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=slCku8JSH3TyizEDQ3pD:22 a=c-cOe7UV8MviEfHuAVEQ:22 a=r5fwSD0_7PCr-xOGcPf9:22 Message-ID: <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> From: "Steve" To: References: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> In-Reply-To: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:36:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIDUbr4vBpnpQf5p+EDaRgEduOfb4QuC8761lfL1yWEGZDBM9LhToj9Es8lh8jjvYvHvV9Ggk7SCy6tKQklSyfJi3WkoYJ+IgMh8yphZpJqCEVsjWJxu Unpigyk8PW/VdMII3IoO8pZZJlfqSzfGKoTlepKpvgZrmzMGEUa2+bnJ X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2147 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9360 Tnx Pete and Marco...yes, I agree that using an RF ammeter to set impedance match, once resonant, is a simple way for those that are without a scopematch. For most LF/MFers however, it is only a matter of time before they construct the scopematch! Steve 73 > > Hi Steve, > > wish to add just one comment sharing with you my experience. > For routine tests or measures on antennas since almost a dozen of > years use an home made VNA (I realized the N2PK VNA and still works > fine!) this make available visual and numerical datas which very > important to understand what I'm doing. As everybody, of course, I like > to have an instrument in line while transmitting just to see is > everything is "normal" and under control. For this purpose I made a > small console which includes the low pass filter, an RF ammeter and an > SWR bridge is very easy to design and make yourself such instrument I > made mine covering from 137kHz to 160m and I guess it is reliable at > least as all "in line" meters. > > 73 de Marco IK1HSS > > > ----Messaggio originale---- > Da: VE7SL@shaw.ca > Data: 2-nov-2016 19.12 > A: > Ogg: LF: Re: SWR Bridges > > Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my inquiry. It > seems > that results vary depending upon what meter is being used but it sounds > as > though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally > use the > scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' > but > was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for those that > do > not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of > matching > an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be > unreliable and only lead to confusion. > > > Steve 73 > > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to > Nanowaves": > http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > > > > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 23:18:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2MIA3b026053 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:18:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c23nV-00043y-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:14:17 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c23nU-00043p-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:14:16 +0000 Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c23nR-0002KT-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:14:15 +0000 Received: from vz-proxy-l002.mx.aol.com ([64.236.82.148]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0OG100B3XCF0PVA0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 17:13:49 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=dNPWoKRb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hkQRW7prCrFMEwk2DGUM9Q==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=L24OOQBejmoA:10 a=ta9lxoqyAAAA:20 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=eL5lqVd3AAAA:8 a=716OBfbPF2OH6hN2xkkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by 74.98.249.189 with SMTP id 51ba128c; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:13:49 GMT Message-id: <1CA1911B969D4902AAD788A5E1DCEB67@MichaelSappPC> From: "Michael Sapp" To: References: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> In-reply-to: <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:13:36 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Scan-Signature: 968492e608ae81f946d7c13a3d073eeb Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 4259 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9361 Steve & All: One weekend last winter I decided to play around with an Elecraft CP-1 dual directional coupler kit which has 25 and 250 watt power ratings depending on how you build it for 1-30MHz (20 and 30 dB coupling options.) I decided to try to modify the high power version designed for 1 to 30 MHz that I previously built which has a 30dB coupling ratio. It uses a pair of FT50-61 cores with 31 turns as the coupling links. I simply changed the FT50-61 cores at 31turns each to FT50-75 cores with 31 turns each. The 30 dB coupling factor remained essentially unchanged from 50 kHz to 500kHz and the return loss into a matched load 50 ohm was > 30 dB. This coupler kit has switchable 2W 5% 50 ohm load resistors as well as RF coupler outputs. I use the RF coupler port outputs and the best (surplus ebay) precision loads I had available to test it out. I have not ran any LF/MF tx power through the modified CP-1 coupler but I use it regularly to check the match on my MF/LF EWE antennas, rx loop antenna projects, etc. The pdf manual for the CP-1 is on the Elecraft web page to review the schematic. What I learned from this exercise was that the coupling factor remained the same for a given number of turns on the coupling toroids in the CP-1 coupler. Apparently one can change the core material to shift the frequency range according to one's needs. One of these days I should run some tests with 77 and 43 cores and compare the results. Anyway, the test results with the FT50-75 cores in the CP-1 coupler are in the dropbox link below... https://www.dropbox.com/s/khtl9m4eoyc0cr9/ELCRCP1.jpg?dl=0 When I get around to building an LF/MF transmitter I will likely use the modified CP-1 and keep an eye on the core temperature with a contactless IR thermometer to determine the usable power limit.... 73, Mike wa3tts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 5:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges > Tnx Pete and Marco...yes, I agree that using an RF ammeter to set > impedance match, once resonant, is a simple way for those that are without > a scopematch. For most LF/MFers however, it is only a matter of time > before they construct the scopematch! > > Steve 73 > > > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> wish to add just one comment sharing with you my experience. >> For routine tests or measures on antennas since almost a dozen of >> years use an home made VNA (I realized the N2PK VNA and still works >> fine!) this make available visual and numerical datas which very >> important to understand what I'm doing. As everybody, of course, I like >> to have an instrument in line while transmitting just to see is >> everything is "normal" and under control. For this purpose I made a >> small console which includes the low pass filter, an RF ammeter and an >> SWR bridge is very easy to design and make yourself such instrument I >> made mine covering from 137kHz to 160m and I guess it is reliable at >> least as all "in line" meters. >> >> 73 de Marco IK1HSS >> >> >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: VE7SL@shaw.ca >> Data: 2-nov-2016 19.12 >> A: >> Ogg: LF: Re: SWR Bridges >> >> Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my inquiry. It >> seems >> that results vary depending upon what meter is being used but it sounds >> as >> though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally >> use the >> scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' >> but >> was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for those that >> do >> not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of >> matching >> an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be >> unreliable and only lead to confusion. >> >> >> Steve 73 >> >> >> >> WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl >> VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to >> Nanowaves": >> http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > > VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to > Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Wed Nov 2 23:32:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2MVw89026100 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:31:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c241Z-0004Aa-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:49 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c241X-0004AR-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:47 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c241T-0002Pl-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 22:28:46 +0000 Received: from Clemens0811 ([79.208.138.60]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lxxw4-1cyPqG2YMe-015KHc for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:28:41 +0100 From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <158269908ce.marcocadeddu@tin.it> <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> In-Reply-To: <3AE1A816B0CB402AB1E75C3CEF20FC47@StevePC> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdI1UWuKO/mDTInYQd622Jkoff85VwABRz3g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:osqzQVP4SSPvLY1hqJ16We62rXgEf7+e8+jrSQ6AuRwvOcqhbaB Ggu9WyuYFgw9/aE+x+SRz87lEi1WbHgfh5Y44UCMgp4d9nm0ZBRM6rPG7sXE17rf/BdOpOG v68mpBmbx+72EBnXiq3TVD/C7K10TRNBQD3/Xstd6N6731tbodyu8Wu9QpvH4LEvlrxJ9u1 ip0W5INh4UfiAvpZgrejg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Fx39JyV5oGQ=:u/apvp/SRJmCqvtG2j7BTo +r7IuVARd2wLamu/NAJa4zCBII0RG0YmIbs/FUaqwCNKLGowllXZ+rv7JO0cfU/ydfCmOMT0N vYnalaNJmMTnfXORRKbZmT6dZJqTD6izshqiq8TMXbx8qqom5EXU57H+SBEne/SJpD0vTJJjl BwiR4YvKkmeXs96bGmeXq41CLhUI2tUfE4DK4UJUll/p7s55p99WNJkIPPT403XV9i7fzek6x 6YKdOhmPi/CB3JP45TFcLGdoc9UVB858U9GDblzVyzmIx5f8lS+aPmMqpRJfh035gbpWjniAg wc+hkyYt4hrsu9QEPARlo3WC8he/cmmh6r+AVW61m+v4mfjbnJdXXvUl2sQ1hzUA7/CY5wfTj CqAqLnGMBkX1TqEBKXI9krrX9xCcLiRwOSiA+Kn5efJH3i9JGVZ+rGnzSCY+vQNWxUMM6+P24 47I3omSTEQANeP3yvvw9M4PgoYbqZ6On5afpzOTL3ql5OhRfOaEAGQ/s7YfFLSmYmTwKpApVV cbACWXUtxcWWcjx1N94lPfzvQTTrehQY6cDx6nnqp0sZGfdl0AkTi5Xn78+txLbn9lRB+zAjb LkLTdZ63GHFszuG2NcYET8zTzGxIatvB5BHuARvI0Q8QchqrMGR63MbmYcIWJ/vIqC9Zt6GhQ DGkctKk6Pp4asxNcTK+yqEM3mpktFibDARlnFW4FQZPulXf7B0eMA62Sj/68yoaGve7IXl69C AUAsbzEVrVdzG1KAjtn/LF7d3zpZTkkPHO/DfLuTwH+Sk2y9pOPx4VNmAxB9kCb9wu8bHdkXg gjAEbZB X-Scan-Signature: e4d79cc1e5beb0f7c63f6aa3ce129e10 Subject: RE: LF: Re: SWR Bridges Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 3075 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9362 Hi Steve, if you prefer a reliable and accurate inline meter there is a ready to use solution but you have to spend some money. It's the digital vector wattmeter LP100A. http://www.telepostinc.com/ You have to buy an extra coupler for LF/MW which covers 100kHz to 20MHz and is capable to take up to 1kW continous power (conservatively rated) maximum. (This may be even too low for some LW/MW operators...) I'm using one myself and I'm very satisfied. You can also use the directional coupler head alone as line sampler for use with e.g. a spectrum analyzer or scope. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:37 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR Bridges > >Tnx Pete and Marco...yes, I agree that using an RF ammeter to >set impedance >match, once resonant, is a simple way for those that are without a >scopematch. For most LF/MFers however, it is only a matter of >time before >they construct the scopematch! > >Steve 73 > > > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> wish to add just one comment sharing with you my experience. >> For routine tests or measures on antennas since almost a dozen of >> years use an home made VNA (I realized the N2PK VNA and still works >> fine!) this make available visual and numerical datas which very >> important to understand what I'm doing. As everybody, of >course, I like >> to have an instrument in line while transmitting just to see is >> everything is "normal" and under control. For this purpose I made a >> small console which includes the low pass filter, an RF >ammeter and an >> SWR bridge is very easy to design and make yourself such instrument I >> made mine covering from 137kHz to 160m and I guess it is reliable at >> least as all "in line" meters. >> >> 73 de Marco IK1HSS >> >> >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: VE7SL@shaw.ca >> Data: 2-nov-2016 19.12 >> A: >> Ogg: LF: Re: SWR Bridges >> >> Many thanks to all of those taking the time to reply to my >inquiry. It >> seems >> that results vary depending upon what meter is being used >but it sounds >> as >> though only a few are having reliable / accurate results. I normally >> use the >> scope match and call it the 'most valuable piece of gear in my shack' >> but >> was curious about suggesting the use of an HF SWR bridge for >those that >> do >> not yet have such a thing, and if it would be a reliable method of >> matching >> an antenna. In some cases 'yes', but it seems, in most cases, may be >> unreliable and only lead to confusion. >> >> >> Steve 73 >> >> >> >> WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl >> VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to >> Nanowaves": >> http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl > >VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m >to Nanowaves": >http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 01:14:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA30ElUV026359 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 01:14:47 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c25cd-0004Jv-Cj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 00:11:11 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c25cc-0004Jm-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 00:11:10 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c25cZ-0002q2-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 00:11:09 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B7CA2044A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 01:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8QNm5nMWzysV for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 01:11:04 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 01:11:04 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 086f3faad0220c9ae57a7913e711a86d Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9363 Yes, RR. The new error map is more informative. The errors are quite equally spread i find. Starting at 7 UTC looks more promising but let's try 6 UTC now. 73, Stefan Am 02.11.2016 22:01, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > I added the relative background noise at 6470 Hz to > the error map, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102b.gif > > Tried some further settings of blanker but no > improvement over the +1.7 dB. > > > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 30 s > > Characters: 11 > > Should have a good chance if we have another quiet > day. I think that 15 chars with 25 second symbols > is probably within reach (at about -0.4 dB) but > let's try 11 chars first. > > The error map is useful for planning transmissions. > Even though the signal is too weak to plot its > amplitude, the error map reveals when the signal > is strong enough. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 11:58:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3AwvSS027807 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 11:58:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2FaJ-0004x2-Ee for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2FaI-0004wt-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:49:26 +0000 Received: from gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com ([94.186.192.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2FaG-0006Ck-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:49:25 +0000 X-Katharion-ID: 1478170138.88946.gmy2-mh804 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.es ([87.216.178.132]) by gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com [(94.186.192.133)] with ESMTP via TCP (TLSv1/TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA); 03 Nov 2016 10:48:58 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 11:48:57 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: Tx WSPR MF druing daylight Thread-Index: AdI1v+IkAYRmIl5WTXSK+i3GANFDtg== Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 10:48:56 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D844C17@servigilant.vigilant.local> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.0.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: LF: Tx WSPR MF druing daylight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D844C17servigilantvigi_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2391 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9364 --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D844C17servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi MF I'm keeping Txing during daylight for test. Getting spots from DJ0ABR, DK7F= C/P and sometimes G8HUH The path from SW to NE and the distance 1398 to 1556Km is what is working with reports at WSPR-2 limit but consistently Maybe be Allan have a good explain for this ;-) 73 de Luis EA5DOM --_000_579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D844C17servigilantvigi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = MF
 
I'm= keeping Txing during daylight for test. Getting spots from DJ0ABR, DK7FC/P= and sometimes G8HUH
 
The= path from SW to NE and the distance 1398 to 1556Km is what is working
wit= h reports at WSPR-2 limit but consistently
 
May= be be Allan have a good explain for this ;-)
 
73 de Luis
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9368 Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 17:36:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3Gap6t028773 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:36:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Kwh-0005rV-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:32:55 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Kwg-0005rM-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:32:54 +0000 Received: from nm14-vm5.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.96.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Kwd-0007rV-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:32:53 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1478190769; bh=KF8fsWk97ynpJMkH5aWP9McQbVUJTn5HGXS3pjLPmok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=faETccPtMM37YaUIyh4lyJvsIoKKUBKKVrZKm+aN5OgVNREMQwh3fiuPZPKWDjB4VqIlRRMnoktsUNfLWFxp8/YRhAaVoJhtIx1wa+YDKRhggeajV7QFGdJSPpF43X812gqxnE7vGJUc3QM98YM5K8hIbq4xhcTurN0BfqZbjLh7sPZW4wGnKzCS4TIZDK8Z49y7kidgdT+73I80KVFfvU6B/9q+JI2VRYJcEPi/Pe+kbjERproqYMIwPU3gUPeBmKjjd92PJd12J22VL1mRBgglLA0j94vxWHkWFCpMjaSO7uHGcdK8wo5EZt6w+jdRoDQntJDqWlERMuSMAo8MwA== Received: from [212.82.98.59] by nm14.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 16:32:49 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.94] by tm12.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 16:32:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 16:32:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 153717.42707.bm@omp1031.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: _TkVKfcVM1mIDwsoJGQ7Soj3x2IvwosKBoULiCq9TR8diQnnasQaVJ4xA2ynECB y3TXuLRcPpRUEeSXD8fpfpo73vxG17sUNEpt5E7i1jBh0Qv6fAs9fEarxKKtq_CMqIaPdNVKtd1m gASm6M2X_LR.iSwxH4nFDh3_faz64RjNahPm86zhC3ThVaSKzY87R2xltWIF2lRP8BBHEhDVLnQG yGLzgzGLN4foVF2Q00.gCa.bp3ZKm0qbYM5_0nKmXI0zmj5vjQh72QMuimb3T15lInk1iPVJUM6L VXpSMZqeNEUIp5leVk01WIspst6id2lMrRdJe0wzZP3XeC8rgjOktaKvNwDntxMDFRchga8AGfFK sAE3C6__XfO9khz291KR49ifV9wuWTs57z30XkM0ExoeMQaTmKtRxmHyxJqtuiFJzXU8lHcYvJ0t rgVVdgnGOhj3SLKRZeA2UMRBX85eF8oadxw9gxjLLGurJ3gCqtayUI6TDxFj1tiAJ.b8Pv1hjUfp pA13okpfEJhROV6TeOw1Egw9E9vOczew- Received: from jws700059.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:32:48 +0000; 1478190768.754 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 16:32:01 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1127299165.1072437.1478190721402@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: e4d79cc1e5beb0f7c63f6aa3ce129e10 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1072436_518700890.1478190721400" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 6197 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9369 ------=_Part_1072436_518700890.1478190721400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, Although this is a bit different, but also=C2=A0to do with noise= , I bought a very cheap kitchen broadcast=C2=A0radio from Tesco for =C2=A39= . It has=C2=A0 Long Wave on it,=C2=A0and I am amazed it is the only LW=C2= =A0radio I have that can receive all the stations that still are on LW with= out any background noise=C2=A0once a station is tuned in. It can be mains p= owered and next to a computer or TV, and still no=C2=A0local noise!! The mo= del number of this Tesco kitchen=C2=A0radio=C2=A0is RAD - 113B. On tuning t= o a station, it suddenly 'locks on' to it with a small=C2=A0'jump'. Then th= e local noise totally disappears, leaving only the required LW=C2=A0program= me interference free!! Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap ra= dio detects the signal? If so, the detection=C2=A0method used in this cheap= =C2=A0radio would be very useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is= always a big problem. Perhaps someone here=C2=A0also owns this Tesco=C2=A0= radio, and can answer why it is=C2=A0so quiet indoors where all my other Lo= ng Wave (and much more expensive)=C2=A0receivers are all=C2=A0swamped by lo= cal noise when used indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 From: DK7FC To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22 Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? =20 Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending=20 on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for=20 a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold=20 levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts=20 in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is=20 evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and=20 automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each=20 burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) 73, Stefan =20 ------=_Part_1072436_518700890.1478190721400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan, Although this i= s a bit different, but also to do with noise, I bought a very cheap ki= tchen broadcast radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It has  Long Wave o= n it, and I am amazed it is the only LW radio I have that can rec= eive all the stations that still are on LW without any background noise&nbs= p;once a station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and next to a compute= r or TV, and still no local noise!! The model number of this Tesco kit= chen radio is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it suddenly 'lo= cks on' to it with a small 'jump'. Then the local noise totally disapp= ears, leaving only the required LW programme interference free!! Why i= s this? -could it be the way this very cheap radio detects the signal? If s= o, the detection method used in this cheap radio would be very us= eful for LF work, in which local mains noise is always a big problem. Perha= ps someone here also owns this Tesco radio, and can answer why it= is so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave (and much more expen= sive) receivers are all swamped by local noise when used indoors?= ? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.  


From:= DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
Sent= : Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22
Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!?=

Hi all,

Last night i thought a bit about noi= se cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending
on the band and distance and strengt= h of the QRN, different settings for
a noise blanker are used, or optim= al. Different rise times, treshold
levels and so on.
I thought about= propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts
in the time dom= ain, requiring different blanker settings.

Is it possible to program= an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is
evaluating the input sp= ectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and
automatically sets in= dividual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each
burst?
Or do i mi= ss something here?

Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who= has this idea :-)

73, Stefan



<= /div>
------=_Part_1072436_518700890.1478190721400-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 18:18:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3HIYB1028886 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:18:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Lar-00061v-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:14:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Laq-00061l-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:14:24 +0000 Received: from rgout0106.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.126] helo=rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Lao-000852-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:14:23 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.178.51.135 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.11.3.165116:17:12.731,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __MIME_TEXT_P2, __MIME_TEXT_H2, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY_POUND, __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN_DIG, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __INT_PROD_TV, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_BOLD, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_TAG_NAME_RND_CAP, __HTML_TAG_DIV, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_3000_MORE, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_H1, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __FRAUD_MONEY_CURRENCY, __FRAUD_MONEY_BIG_COIN, __FRAUD_MONEY_VALUE, __FRAUD_MONEY, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __MIME_TEXT_H, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS Received: from gnat (86.178.51.135) by rgout01.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.07.01-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 581B44720004D63D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:14:20 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1478193262; bh=EiwdxrJ36zV77bXm0qwpnvdFQ16zQwiFiY3UZ19QugU=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=YiFEuXyVod6ST/cQC3DywslUPgwyhekGdVetdIztggK/CEmHPZShEjJb9HbyuTeo7FNwJ2q0TRdMEm8UtQ8V/9YNNBVZ5M8JeWEMUR8MCrJHgB+vgwCr569C/W7IktAw4qGyX0ERlltwY6XOFKhaMbS8bjLb/nXtzRF7SnydgSU= Message-ID: From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <1127299165.1072437.1478190721402@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:14:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: edae4bc128aa121544439b7b7cfd26a1 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01D235F5.B07CE340" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 9429 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9370 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01D235F5.B07CE340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, what describe (jump to frequency as you tune a station in) = sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio electronics. It suggests = that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called enhanced = sideband detection I think. I dont have details to hand but it would = allow a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver = bandwidth than the 18kHz of the bog standard diode detector usually used = on cheapies. It also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the = effects of fading (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality. It may sound unlikely at first sight at that price But sophisicated MSF = synching clocks are available for about the same price. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Hine=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Hi Stefan, Although this is a bit different, but also to do with = noise, I bought a very cheap kitchen broadcast radio from Tesco for = =C2=A39. It has Long Wave on it, and I am amazed it is the only LW = radio I have that can receive all the stations that still are on LW = without any background noise once a station is tuned in. It can be mains = powered and next to a computer or TV, and still no local noise!! The = model number of this Tesco kitchen radio is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a = station, it suddenly 'locks on' to it with a small 'jump'. Then the = local noise totally disappears, leaving only the required LW programme = interference free!! Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap = radio detects the signal? If so, the detection method used in this cheap = radio would be very useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is = always a big problem. Perhaps someone here also owns this Tesco radio, = and can answer why it is so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave = (and much more expensive) receivers are all swamped by local noise when = used indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David. =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: DK7FC To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22 Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending = on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings = for=20 a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold=20 levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts = in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that = is=20 evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic = and=20 automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for = each=20 burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01D235F5.B07CE340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi David, what describe (jump to = frequency as you=20 tune a station in) sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio = electronics.=20 It suggests that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called = enhanced sideband detection I think. I dont have details to hand = but it=20 would allow a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver = bandwidth=20 than the 18kHz of the bog standard diode detector usually used on = cheapies.=20 It also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading=20 (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality.
 
 It may sound unlikely at = first sight at=20 that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are available for about = the same=20 price.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Hine
Sent: Thursday, November 03, = 2016 4:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi Stefan,=20 Although this is a bit different, but also to do with noise, I = bought a=20 very cheap kitchen broadcast radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It = has  Long=20 Wave on it, and I am amazed it is the only LW radio I have = that can=20 receive all the stations that still are on LW without any background=20 noise once a station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and = next to a=20 computer or TV, and still no local noise!! The model number of = this Tesco=20 kitchen radio is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it = suddenly=20 'locks on' to it with a small 'jump'. Then the local noise = totally=20 disappears, leaving only the required LW programme interference = free!!=20 Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap radio detects the = signal? If=20 so, the detection method used in this cheap radio would be = very=20 useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is always a big = problem.=20 Perhaps someone here also owns this Tesco radio, and can = answer why=20 it is so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave (and much = more=20 expensive) receivers are all swamped by local noise when = used=20 indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, = David.  


From: DK7FC=20 <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To: = "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 3 = November=20 2016, 13:22
Subject: LF: = Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi=20 all,

Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on = LF/VLF.=20 Depending
on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, = different=20 settings for
a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise = times,=20 treshold
levels and so on.
I thought about propagation changes = and=20 different shapes of QRN bursts
in the time domain, requiring = different=20 blanker settings.

Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' = noise=20 blanking system that is
evaluating the input spectrum, looking at = the=20 shape/type of a sferic and
automatically sets individual dynamic = noise=20 blanker parameters for each
burst?
Or do i miss something=20 here?

Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has = this idea=20 :-)

73,=20 Stefan



<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01D235F5.B07CE340-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 18:25:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3HP9nC028906 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:25:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Li9-000682-O0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:21:57 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Li9-00067t-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:21:57 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Li6-00088I-HB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:21:56 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p190so515802wmp.1 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YPQ5kQsdv0uIuBU2LT6Ec0UsELCi5gmLm+E7ur7XEjU=; b=XUdp2id4CC7eUtqurUeLdEmORsqqR/W+t/hvi0h+1/uKimn12lJBe35ASzweK61j4D 7i/3xJvJoCtHfhbonwqbGeDwPMonfrd9HZz0oa+lzPiyka39bQJtoljli7O60Wns8ypF KKG5AcFdDHGogvjAEYWCWoeHPw5RBdgYXNaLS+ujnVYbPfm1SJWAltdLZjoQEcw7tKft jxhKxbRm5HUR8qa6+JKYAr3CzCHHUHkBH7GLi8HlDREnAJypRPfHMm9tJPIFfQiKPR1s Z6tNbzJun/nrpp1dgu1W9FpsLlQAw6NJqkG199SDtl5cYH7rd2b23Br0dsHhUTVGztwQ mT/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YPQ5kQsdv0uIuBU2LT6Ec0UsELCi5gmLm+E7ur7XEjU=; b=mkz5U+zdm+/cyKbJ6dWwcYK2Pc9tls3lAT094mE/fowi3aliLd9OFNe5dzvpUh9CEG gtJ5wqQOnJ9LHhoFD1AQRzXqhKM0ukgyo7jgO/C1MBdiud/82YDIlUAJcGrGyMrFQEo+ gEn8pYLLjcqIqUffawFszGlOeHuh6VaDOlOGcyX07d+OYpcABMVR/Ju3VNWIN4haUZgu klQGEhVPQ8ZUZH4l0IE6RVSnrLs8avuBOfLHJrOtq/tNJDI4wcljq5xWj/9oAV9BPcPM +Bzi9c53D9dqfvdhf2nRLN/jdcaJ0SaLSbr9Y2XaKmlyt107HPqTEGA5bxCv/IFZf4H0 AJ+A== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdcfqM4Wg7emYbgDcg9Co1CIM1Dt7qAx8fQ0VI2U10emsQjwUKFkepryssERF4mItAStJGB2g0jJQqciQ== X-Received: by 10.28.175.77 with SMTP id y74mr3026799wme.114.1478193712726; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.209.74 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <1127299165.1072437.1478190721402@mail.yahoo.com> From: Andy Talbot Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 80dfd4418e586cee7526d670ae10acbc Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11439b2e2807b9054068cb23 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 10456 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9371 --001a11439b2e2807b9054068cb23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could it just be that it tunes in 9kHz steps? So will jump stright onto frequency A low cost radio is sure to have a completely digital front end. 'jnt On 3 November 2016 at 17:14, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi David, what describe (jump to frequency as you tune a station in) > sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio electronics. It suggests > that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called enhanced > sideband detection I think. I dont have details to hand but it would allo= w > a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandwidth than > the 18kHz of the bog standard diode detector usually used on cheapies. It > also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading > (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality. > > It may sound unlikely at first sight at that price But sophisicated MSF > synching clocks are available for about the same price. > > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Hine > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? > > Hi Stefan, Although this is a bit different, but also to do with noise, I > bought a very cheap kitchen broadcast radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It ha= s Long > Wave on it, and I am amazed it is the only LW radio I have that can recei= ve > all the stations that still are on LW without any background noise once a > station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and next to a computer or TV= , > and still no local noise!! The model number of this Tesco kitchen radio i= s > RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it suddenly 'locks on' to it with a > small 'jump'. Then the local noise totally disappears, leaving only the > required LW programme interference free!! Why is this? -could it be the w= ay > this very cheap radio detects the signal? If so, the detection method use= d > in this cheap radio would be very useful for LF work, in which local main= s > noise is always a big problem. Perhaps someone here also owns this > Tesco radio, and can answer why it is so quiet indoors where all my other > Long Wave (and much more expensive) receivers are all swamped by local > noise when used indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* DK7FC > *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > *Sent:* Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22 > *Subject:* LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? > > Hi all, > > Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending > on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for > a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold > levels and so on. > I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts > in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. > > Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is > evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and > automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each > burst? > Or do i miss something here? > > Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > > --001a11439b2e2807b9054068cb23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could it just be that it tunes in 9kHz steps? So will jump= stright onto frequency
A low cost radio is sure to have a completely d= igital front end.

'jnt


On 3 November = 2016 at 17:14, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi David, what describe (jump to frequ= ency as you=20 tune a station in) sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio electron= ics.=20 It suggests that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called=20 enhanced sideband detection I think. I=C2=A0dont have details to hand but i= t=20 would allow a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandw= idth=20 than the 18kHz of the=C2=A0bog standard diode detector usually used on chea= pies.=20 It also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading=20 (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0It may=C2=A0sound unlikely at fi= rst sight at=20 that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are available for about the= same=20 price.
=C2=A0
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Hine
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4= :32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi Stefan,=20 Although this is a bit different, but also=C2=A0to do with noise, I bough= t a=20 very cheap kitchen broadcast=C2=A0radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It has=C2= =A0 Long=20 Wave on it,=C2=A0and I am amazed it is the only LW=C2=A0radio I have that= can=20 receive all the stations that still are on LW without any background=20 noise=C2=A0once a station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and next t= o a=20 computer or TV, and still no=C2=A0local noise!! The model number of this = Tesco=20 kitchen=C2=A0radio=C2=A0is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it suddenl= y=20 'locks on' to it with a small=C2=A0'jump'. Then the local= noise totally=20 disappears, leaving only the required LW=C2=A0programme interference free= !!=20 Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap radio detects the signa= l? If=20 so, the detection=C2=A0method used in this cheap=C2=A0radio would be very= =20 useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is always a big problem.= =20 Perhaps someone here=C2=A0also owns this Tesco=C2=A0radio, and can answer= why=20 it is=C2=A0so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave (and much more= =20 expensive)=C2=A0receivers are all=C2=A0swamped by local noise when used= =20 indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.=C2=A0=C2=A0


From: DK7FC=20 <selberden= ken@posteo.de>
To:= "rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thur= sday, 3 November=20 2016, 13:22
Subject: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi=20 all,

Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF.= =20 Depending
on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different= =20 settings for
a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise tim= es,=20 treshold
levels and so on.
I thought about propagation changes and= =20 different shapes of QRN bursts
in the time domain, requiring differen= t=20 blanker settings.

Is it possible to program an 'intelligent= 9; noise=20 blanking system that is
evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the= =20 shape/type of a sferic and
automatically sets individual dynamic nois= e=20 blanker parameters for each
burst?
Or do i miss something=20 here?

Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has th= is idea=20 :-)

73,=20 Stefan




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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1172020_30841122.1478194490493" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 13493 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9372 ------=_Part_1172020_30841122.1478194490493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, I=C2=A0am certain=C2=A0you are correct, but this Tesco set is much= much quieter than my Eton G3, which also has sync detection. There must be= something else too=C2=A0in that Tesco =C2=A39 cheapie -but what is it?? I = know another user of one of these he bought for TMS on R4 LW, and he says i= t's the only LW=C2=A0radio he can use anywhere without any=C2=A0interferenc= e. Perhaps get one before they disappear from the shelves? I bought several= , as=C2=A0they are so cheap, with the view to one day=C2=A0discovering this= radio's 'secret'. I feel this 'secret' could be valuable to know=C2=A0for = other LF applications. Perhaps someone in this group has the answer? Very k= ind regards, David.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 17:14 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? =20 Hi David, what describe (jump to frequency as you tune a station in) sounds= like a little bit of sophisticated radio electronics. It suggests that the= unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called enhanced sideband dete= ction I think. I=C2=A0dont have details to hand but it would allow a clear = signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandwidth than the 18kHz = of the=C2=A0bog standard diode detector usually used on cheapies. It also h= as the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading (apparent ov= er-modulation) on the audio quality.=C2=A0=C2=A0It may=C2=A0sound unlikely = at first sight at that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are avail= able for about the same price.=C2=A0AlanG3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hine To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart no= ise cancelling?!?=20 Hi Stefan, Although this is a bit different, but also=C2=A0to do with no= ise, I bought a very cheap kitchen broadcast=C2=A0radio from Tesco for =C2= =A39. It has=C2=A0 Long Wave on it,=C2=A0and I am amazed it is the only LW= =C2=A0radio I have that can receive all the stations that still are on LW w= ithout any background noise=C2=A0once a station is tuned in. It can be main= s powered and next to a computer or TV, and still no=C2=A0local noise!! The= model number of this Tesco kitchen=C2=A0radio=C2=A0is RAD - 113B. On tunin= g to a station, it suddenly 'locks on' to it with a small=C2=A0'jump'. Then= the local noise totally disappears, leaving only the required LW=C2=A0prog= ramme interference free!! Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap= radio detects the signal? If so, the detection=C2=A0method used in this ch= eap=C2=A0radio would be very useful for LF work, in which local mains noise= is always a big problem. Perhaps someone here=C2=A0also owns this Tesco=C2= =A0radio, and can answer why it is=C2=A0so quiet indoors where all my other= Long Wave (and much more expensive)=C2=A0receivers are all=C2=A0swamped by= local noise when used indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 From: DK7FC To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22 Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? =20 Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending=20 on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for=20 a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold=20 levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts=20 in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is=20 evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and=20 automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each=20 burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) 73, Stefan =20 ------=_Part_1172020_30841122.1478194490493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alan, I am certain you are correct, but this Tesco set is muc= h much quieter than my Eton G3, which also has sync detection. There must b= e something else too in that Tesco =C2=A39 cheapie -but what is it?? I= know another user of one of these he bought for TMS on R4 LW, and he says = it's the only LW radio he can use anywhere without any interferen= ce. Perhaps get one before they disappear from the shelves? I bought severa= l, as they are so cheap, with the view to one day discovering thi= s radio's 'secret'. I feel this 'secret' could be valuable to know for= other LF applications. Perhaps someone in this group has the answer? Very = kind regards, David.   



From: Alan Meli= a <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 17:14
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise can= celling?!?

=
Hi David, what describe (= jump to frequency as you=20 tune a station in) sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio electron= ics.=20 It suggests that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called=20 enhanced sideband detection I think. I dont have details to hand but i= t=20 would allow a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandw= idth=20 than the 18kHz of the bog standard diode detector usually used on chea= pies.=20 It also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading=20 (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality.
 
 It may sound unlikely at fi= rst sight at=20 that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are available for about the= same=20 price.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Hine
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 = 4:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi Stefan,=20 Although this is a bit different, but also to do with noise, I bough= t a=20 very cheap kitchen broadcast radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It has&nb= sp; Long=20 Wave on it, and I am amazed it is the only LW radio I have that= can=20 receive all the stations that still are on LW without any background=20 noise once a station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and next t= o a=20 computer or TV, and still no local noise!! The model number of this = Tesco=20 kitchen radio is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it suddenl= y=20 'locks on' to it with a small 'jump'. Then the local noise totally= =20 disappears, leaving only the required LW programme interference free= !!=20 Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap radio detects the signa= l? If=20 so, the detection method used in this cheap radio would be very= =20 useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is always a big problem.= =20 Perhaps someone here also owns this Tesco radio, and can answer= why=20 it is so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave (and much more= =20 expensive) receivers are all swamped by local noise when used= =20 indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.  


From: DK7FC=20 <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:= Thursday, 3 November=20 2016, 13:22
Subject: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi=20 all,

Last night i thought a bit abou= t noise cancelling on LF/VLF.=20 Depending
on the band and distance and strength of the= QRN, different=20 settings for
a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Dif= ferent rise times,=20 treshold
levels and so on.
I thought= about propagation changes and=20 different shapes of QRN bursts
in the time domain, req= uiring different=20 blanker settings.

Is it possible to = program an 'intelligent' noise=20 blanking system that is
evaluating the input spectrum,= looking at the=20 shape/type of a sferic and
automatically sets individu= al dynamic noise=20 blanker parameters for each
burst?
O= r do i miss something=20 here?

Just a thought. I guess i'm no= t the first one who has this idea=20 :-)

73,=20 Stefan




------=_Part_1172020_30841122.1478194490493-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 18:41:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3Hfvl4028968 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:41:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2LxU-0006JM-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:37:48 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2LxT-0006J6-CR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:37:47 +0000 Received: from nm22-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2LxQ-0008FR-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:37:46 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1478194663; bh=Sc7Z2oKjtp6s2GopGSFN5YOuDDuo1elMRf3oce7ccAo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Qvkf3tNyJOis4zb+R2x6v+wm4FrO5AeRIUjNvBW+MiHxZtqsUvagcI16NiZAL+mBVmDdEXw6ovs/ErHvme4BmByrJC5PpUrDC9Vvn28vDY210ZdlPnlQBAhM4Bdexd6yVy5QmDleLzsdB14Leh0uYRsvSEILbKhmfdHSMCFBtOI97euYzO3fo89kejK8tjLb+gLhck4zPmSIlZiPe3wdbiqobJHnVhhaSozGeFaAZCE10vg8WirGPCLJgqG5+wYcFQ2zE/KjkB3Y8AFuHEiEnXNLFmjOh7XUNnpw46TULoACXe9VxHEhzEmvn2kLm2iaJ5bD7LeymWVP4nU3mZ0CGQ== Received: from [212.82.98.62] by nm22.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 17:37:43 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.73] by tm15.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 17:37:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2016 17:37:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 403323.7867.bm@omp1010.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: pEMvknMVM1nQh1gKkop.EkSHWqom4laC2gi1y6YLqn3vLc1sIB13pRgjasrknED AWi7y5SdGJkAvme6HNwE7gpLnnc05e162c6UhIjavciuOUH3XGa5gS0HRzbSlE.VlraQeni5X.hr fhMNc0BFxPKCdfs59SUOwrihCfr3tKKxBVJ6IICwEj6PfhFx5LeKrvDJJSROsmz74YnY8ZmsgP2D dUZA101ntkDK1zPIO0JU9D.VJj0dgU1RGpOv07lvS7CKL2z8G86ag6MufTjoSTu170AVnacA8P_u vl.JYpjF2bayu6HKnP2941M2hayDV0sPrhnG5CHUJtlUJMMkJgFLWLKzq17oMgDQ07zdhIPYGlo1 8MdPMghIOqBy7oj5fMlYXHZY6wSFet5tGmt9QtZJ8B0jTHZdRvR6tQSCi2vzqTGXb2Attx7TYqLo kA_I8RXCX.DMfYR5bbG3ze8lXK_nv2yUmdpwdHbteTn5c7M0wUMz2tGukZEd.xqNcYgXGn6H7B1m G0rSTqiqNCiZSJKCnxu7tCgBj4xB8XLHDyhk- Received: from jws700049.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:37:43 +0000; 1478194663.006 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:37:42 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1347108937.1193383.1478194662511@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <1127299165.1072437.1478190721402@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: bb953ecadee360a40f72202c1637b86b Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1193382_1481745263.1478194662508" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 14390 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9373 ------=_Part_1193382_1481745263.1478194662508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could be, but why is it much ch=C2=A0quieter than an Eton G3 using sync det= ection? From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 17:21 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? =20 Could it just be that it tunes in 9kHz steps? So will jump stright onto fre= quencyA low cost radio is sure to have a completely digital front end. 'jnt On 3 November 2016 at 17:14, Alan Melia wrote: Hi David, what describe (jump to frequency as you tune a station in) sounds= like a little bit of sophisticated radio electronics. It suggests that the= unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called enhanced sideband dete= ction I think. I=C2=A0dont have details to hand but it would allow a clear = signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandwidth than the 18kHz = of the=C2=A0bog standard diode detector usually used on cheapies. It also h= as the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading (apparent ov= er-modulation) on the audio quality.=C2=A0=C2=A0It may=C2=A0sound unlikely = at first sight at that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are avail= able for about the same price.=C2=A0AlanG3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hine To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart no= ise cancelling?!?=20 Hi Stefan, Although this is a bit different, but also=C2=A0to do with no= ise, I bought a very cheap kitchen broadcast=C2=A0radio from Tesco for =C2= =A39. It has=C2=A0 Long Wave on it,=C2=A0and I am amazed it is the only LW= =C2=A0radio I have that can receive all the stations that still are on LW w= ithout any background noise=C2=A0once a station is tuned in. It can be main= s powered and next to a computer or TV, and still no=C2=A0local noise!! The= model number of this Tesco kitchen=C2=A0radio=C2=A0is RAD - 113B. On tunin= g to a station, it suddenly 'locks on' to it with a small=C2=A0'jump'. Then= the local noise totally disappears, leaving only the required LW=C2=A0prog= ramme interference free!! Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap= radio detects the signal? If so, the detection=C2=A0method used in this ch= eap=C2=A0radio would be very useful for LF work, in which local mains noise= is always a big problem. Perhaps someone here=C2=A0also owns this Tesco=C2= =A0radio, and can answer why it is=C2=A0so quiet indoors where all my other= Long Wave (and much more expensive)=C2=A0receivers are all=C2=A0swamped by= local noise when used indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 From: DK7FC To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016, 13:22 Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? =20 Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending=20 on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for=20 a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold=20 levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts=20 in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is=20 evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and=20 automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each=20 burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. I guess i'm not the first one who has this idea :-) 73, Stefan =20 ------=_Part_1193382_1481745263.1478194662508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could be, but why is it much ch quieter than an Eton G3 using sync de= tection?



= From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4j= nt@gmail.com>
To: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent= : Thursday, 3 November 2016, 17:21
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!?

Could it just be that it tunes in 9kHz steps? So will jump stright onto fr= equency
A low cost radio is= sure to have a completely digital front end.

'jnt

=
On 3 November 2016 at 17:14, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi David, what describe (= jump to frequency as you=20 tune a station in) sounds like a little bit of sophisticated radio electron= ics.=20 It suggests that the unit employs synchronous detection, somtimes called=20 enhanced sideband detection I think. I dont have details to hand but i= t=20 would allow a clear signal to be received in a much narrower receiver bandw= idth=20 than the 18kHz of the bog standard diode detector usually used on chea= pies.=20 It also has the advantage that it greatly reduces the effects of fading=20 (apparent over-modulation) on the audio quality.
 
 It may sound u= nlikely at first sight at=20 that price But sophisicated MSF synching clocks are available for about the= same=20 price.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Hine
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 = 4:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi Stef= an,=20 Although this is a bit different, but also to do with noise, I bough= t a=20 very cheap kitchen broadcast radio from Tesco for =C2=A39. It has&nb= sp; Long=20 Wave on it, and I am amazed it is the only LW radio I have that= can=20 receive all the stations that still are on LW without any background=20 noise once a station is tuned in. It can be mains powered and next t= o a=20 computer or TV, and still no local noise!! The model number of this = Tesco=20 kitchen radio is RAD - 113B. On tuning to a station, it suddenl= y=20 'locks on' to it with a small 'jump'. Then the local noise totally= =20 disappears, leaving only the required LW programme interference free= !!=20 Why is this? -could it be the way this very cheap radio detects the signa= l? If=20 so, the detection method used in this cheap radio would be very= =20 useful for LF work, in which local mains noise is always a big problem.= =20 Perhaps someone here also owns this Tesco radio, and can answer= why=20 it is so quiet indoors where all my other Long Wave (and much more= =20 expensive) receivers are all swamped by local noise when used= =20 indoors?? I hope this is useful. Regards, David.  


From: DK7FC=20 <selberdenk= en@posteo.de>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November=20 2016, 13:22
= Subject: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Hi=20 all,

Last night i thought a bit abou= t noise cancelling on LF/VLF.=20 Depending
on the band and distance and strength of the= QRN, different=20 settings for
a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Dif= ferent rise times,=20 treshold
levels and so on.
I thought= about propagation changes and=20 different shapes of QRN bursts
in the time domain, req= uiring different=20 blanker settings.

Is it possible to = program an 'intelligent' noise=20 blanking system that is
evaluating the input spectrum,= looking at the=20 shape/type of a sferic and
automatically sets individu= al dynamic noise=20 blanker parameters for each
burst?
O= r do i miss something=20 here?

Just a thought. I guess i'm no= t the first one who has this idea=20 :-)

73,=20 Stefan






------=_Part_1193382_1481745263.1478194662508-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 18:58:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, PLING_QUERY,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3HwAGs029054 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:58:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2MEG-0006UB-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:55:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2MEG-0006U1-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:55:08 +0000 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2MEC-0008Mx-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:55:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.101] ([217.82.26.117]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ls7Kh-1d03iL3Kyl-013zXC for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:55:02 +0100 From: Peter To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:55:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:T4xR2a7H6uRuevgoa0Te4X+ajT2TdFgjvdvancYKcVVfRTkU7YJ yMN1fwQLL6JHBC9enJ+Wkkm8jMcp2Ffiketq8DSMcFSHsQZgaxt9SPiXB9tG6c+3tnprRND eb4st/6FM9C+8AjG1K8zCgCCHUbwx3Jeh0ithMtu+r7JTboX1t7qJ9lSgpkNLqWeAvse291 +yTONe4JegNyAqYvcNKtA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:T3hwAZhwtk8=:eVZhjwJ0BgJqf/mTF4wDtd lwmhgzhdnyvrxF0hqUFv7jbGz3Jq6CRfQLvcE71LOXT4KDslAvnCR9IZQJKMs+MAgoe3D5IUX E4QIs7fqNWkJIj6Ej8anO+etOUbt8H9/z2ru29f8latOXhCJMBOhGqO1ckajqVV2K86O5Imvl 2hGdhSXWH1cvmOrWXGx4LTANltbqdJsUhTUBFn6GMuXdQni9nrvoqKnyxpog8WFMvP9wK5k0G S7kG6sKX7+kpgGHTAmg3LGR5+AJENFrALm+NagejPJ11dMLhtAE+AeunA8f68xrkWPlG6Swnr oXyTtVODyi+Ky++TUrZztTl3EbI/UychYe7AhHz5xf7ZIor5ll+UXW1+f9D/zfw7aCweAuQvO uRlRgY85G/xD5um4giDgZBqHSFn7JhfgmXIwhWGjfUdrBlK9rzak77tyOBzjLe4G2YRu4HY3c mBBrjdto0qF1linsPYigBKmnTgLRsxy/eCQR4nny7btsAGXaM8atC7ZgzRQuA9Q68LoAMCByf SfOCBcl79PcLHHdK0cOdRpMERZLQsESAfqPkhf1FEjmhuSWHndNEK4psDncNUjEuemMo5wQ3+ ybrHdROM5K0VImm13hMN+1OU78dOXoaQHv9HZmJIgtUOeWBDc5yPf6U/tZLo55TEUf+pyI0Hu WYsROjPHia4txi5z1SWxM7boZUmfYVt4fdvh9m4HJP00pFAAqNlDPCN7KOvZ/gl4l5X4zvWgQ aTc6Hoid5WeqI+z7 X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1402 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9374 Hi Stefan et al., On 03.11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote: >... > Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. > ... Running an experimental receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi 3) I chose an almost non-parametric procedure running in frequency domain. It works as follows: Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the power spectrum. Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next choose a time period (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the lowest median, plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median values" are more robust to outliers compared to other averaging procedures. See what happened when switching from simple averaging to median selection algorithm (~16:50 utc): http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/show_wf.cgi?date=16-10-02 I know that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal detection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm detecting such very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a regular basis. Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may be useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 sec. as a selection window strong time service transmitters nearly vanished since the algorithm will unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. Therefore I'm using only the spectral part between 15 and 50 kHz for computing the median values. 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= --_96CDB959-6352-44A0-9BF7-D0ED5DD0599B_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 19:41:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, PLING_QUERY,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3If4Nn029141 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:41:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Mtf-0006hc-0Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:37:55 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Mte-0006hT-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:37:54 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Mtb-00009C-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 18:37:53 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 306BE20861 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:37:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t8txm5fDyz105k for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:37:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:37:48 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2813 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9376 Hi Peter, That sounds interesting and looks convincing. But it only works for 'compressed' spectra covering several kHz and hours, right? As far as i understand this method can't be done for weak signal detections because you 'need' all the energy available from the weak signal to fill the bin (one pixel) and just throw away what causes a reduction of the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts are blanked and most of the signal is coming through whereas your method selects just a small fraction of the incoming energy (?). My idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of QRN has different optimum blanker settings. Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises > the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% > S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. So, if propagation changes, the optimal blanker settings will change. So they vary all the time. If a post-processing of a transmission/recording taking several hours and night/day changes, it could be useful to dynamically vary the blanker settings. So these blanker setting levels would have to be determined/calculated by the incoming signal and then applied in a next step. This may be CPU-load intensive, i don't know, it's behind my current skills. But the idea is there... 73, Stefan Am 03.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Peter: > Hi Stefan et al., > > On 03.11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote: >> ... >> Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. > > ... > > Running an experimental receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi > 3) I chose an almost non-parametric procedure running in frequency > domain. It works as follows: > Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the power > spectrum. Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next > choose a time period (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the > lowest median, plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median > values" are more robust to outliers compared to other averaging > procedures. > > See what happened when switching from simple averaging to median > selection algorithm (~16:50 utc): > http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/show_wf.cgi?date=16-10-02 > > I know that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal > detection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm > detecting such very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a > regular basis. > > Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may be > useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 sec. as a > selection window strong time service transmitters nearly vanished > since the algorithm will unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 4622 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9382 Stefan, Some thoughts related to self-adaptive (set and forget) VLF noise cancellation [including lightning and cultural (man-made) noise, separately or together], supported by experiments and literature: Adaptive neural (echo state, recurrent...) nonlinear blind noise cancellation techniques can provide 30dB to 50dB improvement in SNR for signals of known type, even with initial SNR of 0dB, and even with very complex mixtures of natural and cultural noise. I don't know if any of these are mature enough for permanent set-and-forget operation, and they can be on the computationally-heavy side, but: - They are effective with mixtures of noise that are intractable for conventional noise-cancellation tools, and: - They do not require knowledge of the noise characteristics; in fact, to a considerable extent, the more complex the noise, the better the results; so it is unnecessary to program characteristics such as rise time, blanking time, threshold, etc. There are many publications describing these techniques, from which one can see that the methods are efficient and effective for signals in (for example) the VLF frequency range and with noise characteristics such as are found in the VLF spectrum. I have been tinkering with intelligent-algorithm cancellation of ULF and VLF cultural noise for many years, with some success for particular types of difficult noise such as switchmode noise (motors, power supplies, monitors, power lines sourcing the above, etc). In the process I have characterized ULF and VLF noise in many environments, and these characterizations have led me to believe that despite some success with non-neural/non-adaptive* intelligent-algorithm cancellation of specific difficult noise types [such as switchmode converter noise and radiation from power lines sourcing current to switchmode converters (i.e. most building-wiring and most utility power lines)], that: Adaptive neural blind noise cancellation may be a particularly effective approach for most practical VLF situations, because the multiplicity of ULF/VLF noise sources with complex time-domain and frequency-domain characteristics in or near (for example) homes, residential areas, vehicles, overhead/underground utility power lines and personal electronics, to name a few, makes successful aggregation of non-neural/non-adaptive*/non-blind intelligent-algorithm cancellation for each of the difficult noise types unlikely. The performance of individual non-neural/non-adaptive*intelligent algorithms focused on specific types of noise tends to degrade when the type of noise that they are intended to cancel is immersed in complex noises of other types. For example, the performance of a non-neural/non-adaptive* intelligent lightning-noise canceller might tend to degrade in the presence of substantial switchmode-power noise, and vice-versa. Adaptive neural blind noise cancellation approaches can overcome this limitation while maintaining reasonable computational burden. Many adaptive neural blind noise cancellation approaches work better with aggregations of difficult noise sources than with simple noise profiles; and have worked well with types of noise and signals found in VLF; and to one of your specific points, do not require programming of characteristics such as rise time, blanking time, threshold, etc., and in fact do not require knowledge of the noise characteristics at all. * (non-adaptive in the above meaning: cancellation methods in which the algorithm does not automatically redefine its basic architecture, logical connectivity, and allocation of computational resources based on ongoing results) 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DK7FC Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 9:23 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Hi all, Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. Depending on the band and distance and strength of the QRN, different settings for a noise blanker are used, or optimal. Different rise times, treshold levels and so on. I thought about propagation changes and different shapes of QRN bursts in the time domain, requiring different blanker settings. Is it possible to program an 'intelligent' noise blanking system that is evaluating the input spectrum, looking at the shape/type of a sferic and automatically sets individual dynamic noise blanker parameters for each burst? Or do i miss something here? Just a thought. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA3JQAPS029304 Content-Length: 1297 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9383 Mike - there is still no path over the Pole with this mornings Aurora doing a very good impression of the opening titles of the original Dr Who series with globs of light coming in the from the North and pulsing Southwards bright enough to make you want to duck. Im exercising the Eu/vK loop at midpower 1Kw TPO on dfcw 137.776 for a while to add my bit in global warming the D layer and worms. Its not going far im sure given the Solar. New Hans GPS module (was using the earliest slowest gps before) driving the Ultimate 2 driving 2 modules of Decca into 500 ft perimeter loop 006/186 degT 65ft high, 9ft low return. Cant see dcf39 more then a couple of dBs above noise- not good. Cheers Laurence WE2XPQ KL7L Palmer Wasilla Alaska > On Nov 2, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Mike Dennison wrote: > > I will be running some tests today prior to doing overnight > transmissions later this week. The tests will be on 136.1726kHz, > QRSS60. See DF6NM's grabber (http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/Grabber.htm) > to check that I am transmitting. > > By the way, most of the discussion here concerns 472kHz. But there is > still daily activity on 136kHz, mostly Op32 and WSPR, with several of > us routinely achieving distances 2000-3000km. Why not join us? > > Mike, G3XDV > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 20:34:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3JYpAD029330 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:34:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2NjO-0007aG-CS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:31:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2NjN-0007a7-RR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:31:21 +0000 Received: from rgout0404.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.217] helo=rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2NjK-0000db-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:31:20 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.178.51.135 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.11.3.191217:17:12.455,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODY_SIZE_4000_4999, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, NO_URI_HTTPS, MSG_THREAD, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE Received: from gnat (86.178.51.135) by rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.07.01-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 581B462A0008A038 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:31:13 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1478201478; bh=e1XE+iDC+K2dHeX8CqCBvh+2YDEXAGi1zN65ihh/rs0=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=ND5lI6JHWrmwMAoMwznPSgkEx+M04JXJQEJpktlceLLc0SX8zliop4nVdiIVVp1TDkyLhf1+C+E2svuBEUhOm70ZUi24SHwkm8V1mgYwcT+S42xlJQSIfeGWBYi+0L0RRyVHs5sdFWccTl9PYuDq5D/Nd+z+d9l3aJH1Y6rsZxU= Message-ID: <22185768CF114BE0A22668E235A933A2@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:24:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 4022 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9384 This is an interesting idea. We often said in the early days of LF that LF "noise" was not Gaussian. I do remember attending a lecture at work by one of the resident maths team. (Pitching for customers) He was considering telecom "noise" not radio. But he demonstrated the standard processes, which assume Gaussian noise were not effective on his example. He then introduced a "new" parameter he called "burstiness". He was using Burst Error Rate as a metric, I think, rather than S/N but the ideas were quite interesting. He was also investigating different error-detection/correction algorithms against the "burstness" index.. I am afraid it was mid 1980s and I dont remember much detail (or even a name to follow for references) A few faces in the audience were quite blank, one or two were leaning forward and some sprawled backward as if to say "What's the problem, if its noisy, close the door" :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 6:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? > Hi Peter, > > That sounds interesting and looks convincing. But it only works for > 'compressed' spectra covering several kHz and hours, right? > > As far as i understand this method can't be done for weak signal > detections because you 'need' all the energy available from the weak > signal to fill the bin (one pixel) and just throw away what causes a > reduction of the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts are blanked and most > of the signal is coming through whereas your method selects just a small > fraction of the incoming energy (?). > > My idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of QRN > has different optimum blanker settings. > > Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson: >> >> Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises >> the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% >> S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. > > So, if propagation changes, the optimal blanker settings will change. So > they vary all the time. If a post-processing of a transmission/recording > taking several hours and night/day changes, it could be useful to > dynamically vary the blanker settings. So these blanker setting levels > would have to be determined/calculated by the incoming signal and then > applied in a next step. > This may be CPU-load intensive, i don't know, it's behind my current > skills. But the idea is there... > > > 73, Stefan > > > Am 03.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Peter: >> Hi Stefan et al., >> >> On 03.11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote: >>> ... >>> Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. >> > ... >> >> Running an experimental receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi 3) I >> chose an almost non-parametric procedure running in frequency domain. It >> works as follows: >> Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the power >> spectrum. Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next choose >> a time period (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the lowest >> median, plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median values" are >> more robust to outliers compared to other averaging procedures. >> >> See what happened when switching from simple averaging to median >> selection algorithm (~16:50 utc): >> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/show_wf.cgi?date=16-10-02 >> >> I know that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal >> detection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm >> detecting such very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a >> regular basis. >> >> Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may be >> useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 sec. as a selection >> window strong time service transmitters nearly vanished since the >> algorithm will unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. Therefore I'm using only >> the spectral part between 15 and 50 kHz for computing the median values. >> >> Peter, df3lp >> > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 20:49:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3JnWhx029398 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:49:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2NxD-0007hs-1s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:45:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2NxC-0007hj-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:45:38 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Nx9-0000jE-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:45:37 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id a197so8544445wmd.0 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 12:45:35 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GxaiJlqd9ImZPxbN/BKZHRRS8bmFZVccSvzWqTtpwYU=; b=yAdXkcEhnuueaDEmSnIVK9Hn+/5SWjfbKxr15qZ1WQOB+WJ2H5lwPmXLUJCPyH8kp1 hun/P13SmkGzhlC4d/NqmbPmWPFDzVzRjVUcjf3ZdT6L0faJtEDl7ClrCn5355qQEq7m YPx3yqTJxbo87ugywtiOiCS+G+mE+acC/38HSAI/147RTW+0fpT5mgoNjyAx/Mf+5XnW AMBReYorpvRoCwbfU8Z7LT4E16JeUp2cdQ9Am/CSdLpavaNw97vnzmOt+e0YZ45nDdLW /e+4/kb9S7ZZne4Pi8+T9ZUTECXNx2PSs1rbOnCecWjVxatDln48js7TSqzqZLly7TVF 5+Dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GxaiJlqd9ImZPxbN/BKZHRRS8bmFZVccSvzWqTtpwYU=; b=mw2v3fVZuOUBXdDdfX7AOicID/h7T1MppVNMvpQWIVH82YLKj6T0rPSdCoztfZWiVr j2iyui/CVez9MbS/g0yhdQYgSgx5c9r9zbW3ubfPXKg4scNNGcFuR4PBIixcNgehykEc wVhwsoBmkYnHa9OMq2bDsr/Y8NgYNt621dGtI1/HDLDxxfiRYFX12WEWfaoUkwO4nbfI WAu1fsy5bZE8bWpmWo6xqLAQQai74dGRpOYZhDrT/k1dJGNiBha+ZSWOkNj4ehjo5kvA Yk71lZW1jHbMT0PA382V92mWsyM0iR5s4ggi8q6sEIzbRMp4XrhL8jpiAtQJgPMSkF72 ZDWg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveSJ5XnLlK0scjr+76MIq2UfHfh5axBa8fDhUMxlQBs7nxWeB464aTMXVOn81FaQAa4Pzpa757D/wiIIA== X-Received: by 10.28.150.134 with SMTP id y128mr10770624wmd.6.1478202333564; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 12:45:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.209.74 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22185768CF114BE0A22668E235A933A2@gnat> References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> <22185768CF114BE0A22668E235A933A2@gnat> From: Andy Talbot Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:45:32 +0000 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: caa2bbf6eb61e70e03599bec833fb637 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b4386ff95ef05406acc7d X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 11927 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9385 --001a114b4386ff95ef05406acc7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any narrow band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non Gaussian or bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back in the 1990's. 73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then existing Decca signals and other stuff. But when Peter examined the output from the narrow filters, (the FFT bins) it lookdd like, and appeared to show itself to be Gaussian. He said it passed the tests for Gaussian noise A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth. In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the bandwidth of the filter. Andy G4JNT On 3 November 2016 at 19:24, Alan Melia wrote: > This is an interesting idea. We often said in the early days of LF that LF > "noise" was not Gaussian. > I do remember attending a lecture at work by one of the resident maths > team. (Pitching for customers) He was considering telecom "noise" not > radio. But he demonstrated the standard processes, which assume Gaussian > noise were not effective on his example. He then introduced a "new" > parameter he called "burstiness". He was using Burst Error Rate as a > metric, I think, rather than S/N but the ideas were quite interesting. He > was also investigating different error-detection/correction algorithms > against the "burstness" index.. I am afraid it was mid 1980s and I dont > remember much detail (or even a name to follow for references) A few faces > in the audience were quite blank, one or two were leaning forward and some > sprawled backward as if to say "What's the problem, if its noisy, close the > door" :-)) > > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? > > > Hi Peter, >> >> That sounds interesting and looks convincing. But it only works for >> 'compressed' spectra covering several kHz and hours, right? >> >> As far as i understand this method can't be done for weak signal >> detections because you 'need' all the energy available from the weak signal >> to fill the bin (one pixel) and just throw away what causes a reduction of >> the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts are blanked and most of the signal >> is coming through whereas your method selects just a small fraction of the >> incoming energy (?). >> >> My idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of QRN >> has different optimum blanker settings. >> >> Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson: >> >>> >>> Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises >>> the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2% >>> S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz. >>> >> >> So, if propagation changes, the optimal blanker settings will change. So >> they vary all the time. If a post-processing of a transmission/recording >> taking several hours and night/day changes, it could be useful to >> dynamically vary the blanker settings. So these blanker setting levels >> would have to be determined/calculated by the incoming signal and then >> applied in a next step. >> This may be CPU-load intensive, i don't know, it's behind my current >> skills. But the idea is there... >> >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >> Am 03.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Peter: >> >>> Hi Stefan et al., >>> >>> On 03.11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote: >>> >>>> ... >>>> Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF. >>>> >>> > ... >>> >>> Running an experimental receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi 3) >>> I chose an almost non-parametric procedure running in frequency domain. It >>> works as follows: >>> Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the power >>> spectrum. Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next choose a >>> time period (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the lowest median, >>> plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median values" are more >>> robust to outliers compared to other averaging procedures. >>> >>> See what happened when switching from simple averaging to median >>> selection algorithm (~16:50 utc): >>> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/show_wf.cgi?date=16-10-02 >>> >>> I know that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal >>> detection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm >>> detecting such very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a regular >>> basis. >>> >>> Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may be >>> useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 sec. as a selection >>> window strong time service transmitters nearly vanished since the algorithm >>> will unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. Therefore I'm using only the >>> spectral part between 15 and 50 kHz for computing the median values. >>> >>> Peter, df3lp >>> >>> >> > > --001a114b4386ff95ef05406acc7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any= narrow band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non = Gaussian or bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually= become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH

We first ealised this= in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back in the 1990's. =C2=A0 73kHz= was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then existing Decca signals= and other stuff. =C2=A0 But when Peter examined the output from the narrow= filters, (the FFT bins) =C2=A0it lookdd like, and appeared to show itself = to be Gaussian. =C2=A0 He said it passed the tests for Gaussian noise
=

A mathematician could probably prove that any random no= n Gaussian signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnatur= e, would end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth.=C2=A0

In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite com= ponents repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the bandwidth of= the filter.

Andy =C2=A0G4JNT

On 3 November 2016 at 19:2= 4, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
=
This is an interesting idea. We often said i= n the early days of LF that LF "noise" was not Gaussian.
I do remember attending a lecture at work by one of the resident maths team= . (Pitching for customers) He was considering telecom "noise" not= radio. But he demonstrated the standard processes, which assume Gaussian n= oise were not effective on his example. He then introduced a "new"= ; parameter he called "burstiness". He was using Burst Error Rate= as a metric, I think, rather than S/N but the ideas were quite interesting= . He was also investigating different error-detection/correction algorithms= against the "burstness" index.. I am afraid it was mid 1980s and= I dont remember much detail (or even a name to follow for references) A fe= w faces in the audience were quite blank, one or two were leaning forward a= nd some sprawled backward as if to say "What's the problem, if its= noisy, close the door" :-))

Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message ----- From: "DK7FC" <selberdenken@posteo.de> To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!?


Hi Peter,

That sounds interesting and looks convincing. But it only works for 'co= mpressed' spectra covering several kHz and hours, right?

As far as i understand this method can't be done for weak signal detect= ions because you 'need' all the energy available from the weak sign= al to fill the bin (one pixel) and just throw away what causes a reduction = of the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts are blanked and most of the sig= nal is coming through whereas your method selects just a small fraction of = the incoming energy (?).

My idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of QRN has= different optimum blanker settings.

Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson:

Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises
the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2%
S/N 16.10 dB in 25.4 uHz.

So, if propagation changes, the optimal blanker settings will change. So th= ey vary all the time. If a post-processing of a transmission/recording taki= ng several hours and night/day changes, it could be useful to dynamically v= ary the blanker settings. So these blanker setting levels would have to be = determined/calculated by the incoming signal and then applied in a next ste= p.
This may be CPU-load intensive, i don't know, it's behind my curren= t skills. But the idea is there...


73, Stefan


Am 03.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Peter:
Hi Stefan et al.,

On 03.11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote:
...
Last night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF.
> ...

Running an experimental receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi 3) I c= hose an almost non-parametric procedure running in frequency domain. It wor= ks as follows:
Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the power spectrum.= Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next choose a time peri= od (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the lowest median, plot it= , drop all the others. The key is that "Median values" are more r= obust to outliers compared to other averaging procedures.

See what happened when switching from simple averaging to median selection = algorithm (~16:50 utc):
http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/test/show= _wf.cgi?date=3D16-10-02

I know that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal de= tection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm detec= ting such very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a regular basi= s.

Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may be us= eful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 sec. as a selection wind= ow strong time service transmitters nearly vanished since the algorithm wil= l unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. Therefore I'm using only the spectr= al part between 15 and 50 kHz for computing the median values.

Peter, df3lp





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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01D23613.8D9CD5B0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 6102 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9387 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D23613.8D9CD5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy things have changed since then. Real time FFTs were just = beginning to be possible but not many had much experience at that time. = I remember the cleverest stuff I saw was from a graduate student. It = closed down some more traditional work, like an adaptive modem in weeks. = Guessing from the comments on the latest modes now I think there seems = to be little left to achieve in efficiency.=20 Most of us were still thinking in analogue ways then :-)) "Just 'cos it = digital doesn't mean its better" I heard a number of times....we were to = be converted ! Of course a well respected physicist opined in 1900 that there was = little new left to discover in the field. Fortunately for me and the = rest of the profession, he was slightly wrong :-)) =20 Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any narrow band = mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non Gaussian = or bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually = become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back in = the 1990's. 73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then existing = Decca signals and other stuff. But when Peter examined the output from = the narrow filters, (the FFT bins) it lookdd like, and appeared to show = itself to be Gaussian. He said it passed the tests for Gaussian noise A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian = signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would = end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth.=20 In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite = components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the = bandwidth of the filter. Andy G4JNT ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D23613.8D9CD5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Andy things have changed since then. = Real time=20 FFTs were just beginning to be possible but not many had much experience = at that=20 time. I remember the cleverest stuff I saw was from a graduate student. = It=20 closed down some more traditional work, like an adaptive modem in = weeks.=20 Guessing from the comments on the latest modes now I think there = seems to=20 be little left to achieve in efficiency.
 
Most of us were still thinking in = analogue ways=20 then :-))  "Just 'cos it digital doesn't mean its better" I heard a = number=20 of times....we were to be converted !
 
Of course a well respected physicist = opined in 1900=20 that there was little new left to discover in the field. Fortunately for = me and=20 the rest of the profession, he was slightly wrong :-))  =
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: Thursday, November 03, = 2016 7:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as = any narrow=20 band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non = Gaussian or=20 bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually become = Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH

We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back = in the=20 1990's.   73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then = existing=20 Decca signals and other stuff.   But when Peter examined the = output from=20 the narrow filters, (the FFT bins)  it lookdd like, and appeared = to show=20 itself to be Gaussian.   He said it passed the tests for Gaussian = noise

A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian = signal=20 if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would end = up=20 Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth. 

In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite=20 components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the = bandwidth of=20 the filter.

Andy  G4JNT

 
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01D23613.8D9CD5B0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 22:14:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3LESdh029682 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:14:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2PHq-00086B-LG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:11:02 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2PHq-000862-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:11:02 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22d]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2PHn-00016h-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:11:01 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id n67so12378192wme.1 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=nriOnZsSmlmBMj+CwLcyBJ1cGJDrcWGC0M21n/VW628=; b=kqVfhJRcOpIiKvW7TDnnIiKgyhTvNOnCPieZW5zppIhw2lR9/VxS9oHua7uR5UXQVj noov0K2wYjiIxIPQtPxnRBm1HbCy905snVGpYHUNYDMi+iT+U0j2FrXAoC5e8qt1T+ry DDX1ECSn5f4PKf26OlDzU8tUJbOBLZtK1wXOx9jSy7GMVUC+oVxCx9fTo18aA2aPdzbi OMWqcA0cf4sHLaCptb+FO5kupeSZWGHKZ/M+z9l6xX2lb55T+BeYHm7+izpa/pIOyzsr MJEy93h4xRGOCd0TORGOebmh/iAcEwscSeHGVhlBHb8FPDbsXk0ZevzWf68XuDfHGcvn e7jQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=nriOnZsSmlmBMj+CwLcyBJ1cGJDrcWGC0M21n/VW628=; b=iDsyGy3GNdV63qhcEa8FPHLFl/E33tagUg9GgAh645Ebp1qE2UAkY7ElB7L9NgD8gY c8d+tlvJPZ8fNvKctwOMGMw46UqbidDl2n8bYMKzXEi77gbe7pVBPmKPJGAh6NM+vMYJ OFveIWqzl1KCKz0n+8Hjw6KiPc1RLA8Z85y+KR5Oyr7g/x+aQ4IXycpS5x789IwZ7AUP fS/1Ruwe342EosFzN3xolalv7jQ7kEeaK4CkpnBnnIqxBkBMjmed9QlqWLMcCYqGQPf4 plV/9/cvJlv26BRH9sI5ZLhPesIeWTR0yucVviVaVgnLvNMnO/FMZtrGg8jHH7wKxMUJ ATJA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveX21PZxk0UJqU3vOVR0cZDkrT/TMAY1oZCuwHB6Blj/wy+u6X0SwsvyrEsHAtt+QhkoG5pflan0U7QZw== X-Received: by 10.194.240.129 with SMTP id wa1mr8807199wjc.116.1478207457810; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.209.74 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9C401CC1F6BE43FFBE56056A1062B525@gnat> References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> <22185768CF114BE0A22668E235A933A2@gnat> <9C401CC1F6BE43FFBE56056A1062B525@gnat> From: Andy Talbot Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 21:10:57 +0000 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: 7c995d39cde70605aa76dd18810a4256 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d1db26d60a705406bfe57 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 8237 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9388 --089e013d1db26d60a705406bfe57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Not sure what you're saying, Alan By "narrow band filtering" I actually DO mean the digital filtering applied in the FFT process. It was the ability to go down to 30 milli-Hz bandwidth and lower that showed Peter the bursty impulses etc were being filtered to something that passed the tests for being Gaussian Back then the digitisation and first stages of decimation had to be done on external Motorola DSP cards, communicating with a PC for display and further slower decimation and filtering. Programming DSP chips in assembler was great fun then - far more interesting than doing it in high level code for soundcards I still have three Motorola 56002EVM modules - doubt they're worth anything now ;-) Blowing the 27128 EEPROMS they use to store the code is not that easy to do now - wonder if anyone kept their old EEPROM programmers? Andy On 3 November 2016 at 20:47, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Andy things have changed since then. Real time FFTs were just beginning > to be possible but not many had much experience at that time. I remember > the cleverest stuff I saw was from a graduate student. It closed down some > more traditional work, like an adaptive modem in weeks. Guessing from the > comments on the latest modes now I think there seems to be little left to > achieve in efficiency. > > Most of us were still thinking in analogue ways then :-)) "Just 'cos it > digital doesn't mean its better" I heard a number of times....we were to be > converted ! > > Of course a well respected physicist opined in 1900 that there was little > new left to discover in the field. Fortunately for me and the rest of the > profession, he was slightly wrong :-)) > > Alan > G3NYK > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? > > But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any narrow band > mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non Gaussian or > bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually become > Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH > > We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back in the > 1990's. 73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then existing Decca > signals and other stuff. But when Peter examined the output from the > narrow filters, (the FFT bins) it lookdd like, and appeared to show itself > to be Gaussian. He said it passed the tests for Gaussian noise > > A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian signal > if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would end up > Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth. > > In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite components > repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the bandwidth of the > filter. > > Andy G4JNT > > > > --089e013d1db26d60a705406bfe57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure what you're saying, Alan
=C2=A0By "n= arrow band filtering" =C2=A0 I actually DO mean the digital filtering = applied in the FFT process.=C2=A0 It was the ability to go down to 30 milli= -Hz bandwidth and lower =C2=A0that showed Peter the bursty impulses etc wer= e being filtered to something that passed the tests for being Gaussian

Back then the digitisation and first stages of decimat= ion had to be done on external Motorola DSP cards, communicating with a PC = for display and further slower decimation and filtering.

Programming =C2=A0DSP chips in assembler was great fun then - far mo= re interesting than doing it in high level code for soundcards

I still have three Motorola 56002EVM modules - doubt they&= #39;re worth anything now ;-) =C2=A0 =C2=A0Blowing the 27128 EEPROMS they u= se to store the code is not that easy to do now - wonder if anyone kept the= ir old EEPROM programmers?

Andy


On 3 Nove= mber 2016 at 20:47, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com><= /span> wrote:
Hi Andy things have changed since then= . Real time=20 FFTs were just beginning to be possible but not many had much experience at= that=20 time. I remember the cleverest stuff I saw was from a graduate student. It= =20 closed down some more traditional work, like an adaptive modem=C2=A0in week= s.=20 Guessing from the comments on the latest modes now=C2=A0I think there seems= to=20 be little left to achieve in efficiency.
=C2=A0
Most of us were still thinking in anal= ogue ways=20 then :-))=C2=A0 "Just 'cos it digital doesn't mean its better&= quot; I heard a number=20 of times....we were to be converted !
=C2=A0
Of course a well respected physicist o= pined in 1900=20 that there was little new left to discover in the field. Fortunately for me= and=20 the rest of the profession, he was slightly wrong :-))=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Alan
G3NYK
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7= :45=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as a= ny narrow=20 band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non Gaussi= an or=20 bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will eventually become=20 Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH

We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back in = the=20 1990's. =C2=A0 73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh t= hen existing=20 Decca signals and other stuff. =C2=A0 But when Peter examined the output = from=20 the narrow filters, (the FFT bins) =C2=A0it lookdd like, and appeared to = show=20 itself to be Gaussian. =C2=A0 He said it passed the tests for Gaussian=20 noise

A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian si= gnal=20 if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would end up= =20 Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth.=C2=A0

In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite=20 components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the bandwid= th of=20 the filter.

Andy =C2=A0G4JNT

=C2=A0

--089e013d1db26d60a705406bfe57-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Thu Nov 3 23:40:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,PLING_QUERY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA3MepTF029857 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 23:40:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2QcZ-0008Eq-0H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:36:31 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2QcY-0008Eh-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:36:30 +0000 Received: from rgout0301.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.207] helo=rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2QcV-0001R8-Ns for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:36:29 +0000 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.178.51.135 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=12/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.11.3.221517:17:12.731,ip=,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __MIME_TEXT_P2, __MIME_TEXT_H2, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_MEDIA_BODY, ECARD_WORD, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_TAG_NAME_RND_CAP, __HTML_TAG_DIV, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_3000_MORE, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_H1, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __MIME_TEXT_H, __MIME_TEXT_P, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS Received: from gnat (86.178.51.135) by rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.07.01-1) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 581B45AB000DBC97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:36:26 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1478212587; bh=AGoz42vgeIAu3I5LUsASHVS/AZz81xRc5HQv4fTf67o=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=Gf1WW5vgd4IA/p+ilMzYDdvfrueugPZJFkES16e2JDmnsoKYTKsZvcLFLDnjwhgPyR16umUG4NAA13hD4v08aDQES5BoiN04QdVNR0J9n4hGe+VdqXl6hC7gGL5HOYvvpKEf08Pue5ZNHmJEw1WtYCK3Tz2TF9Gn4ntCu0FHk1Q= Message-ID: <47E490A24C8544289C92C8CD58CACDDA@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <581B3A1F.5060609@posteo.de> <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> <22185768CF114BE0A22668E235A933A2@gnat> <9C401CC1F6BE43FFBE56056A1062B525@gnat> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 22:28:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: b322dc0956bb435e223041a6879534f9 Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01D23621.A61636A0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 12109 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9389 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01D23621.A61636A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy yesI still have the ability to burn images to '128, 256, 512, = and 1000, UV roms.If you need or want an image blown. I kept mine in an = ISA motherboard :-)) it is the only machine that will handle some of the = older programmable PMR radios. some of those held the synth code in = PROM. I think I am just remembering maybe 10 years earlier than you :-)) I = played with "slow" FFTs written in Basic !! to try and get the hang of = filters and spectral effects, leakage and windowing were all very new = words to me in the early 80s. Once you see and understand the effects = you perhaps can get a better practical feel. Even then I was mainly = using my kit to do early exchange line-card testing. but quickly.=20 Still I'm getting boring so will quit. :-)) Alaan =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 9:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Not sure what you're saying, Alan By "narrow band filtering" I actually DO mean the digital filtering = applied in the FFT process. It was the ability to go down to 30 = milli-Hz bandwidth and lower that showed Peter the bursty impulses etc = were being filtered to something that passed the tests for being = Gaussian Back then the digitisation and first stages of decimation had to be = done on external Motorola DSP cards, communicating with a PC for display = and further slower decimation and filtering. Programming DSP chips in assembler was great fun then - far more = interesting than doing it in high level code for soundcards I still have three Motorola 56002EVM modules - doubt they're worth = anything now ;-) Blowing the 27128 EEPROMS they use to store the code = is not that easy to do now - wonder if anyone kept their old EEPROM = programmers? Andy On 3 November 2016 at 20:47, Alan Melia = wrote: Hi Andy things have changed since then. Real time FFTs were just = beginning to be possible but not many had much experience at that time. = I remember the cleverest stuff I saw was from a graduate student. It = closed down some more traditional work, like an adaptive modem in weeks. = Guessing from the comments on the latest modes now I think there seems = to be little left to achieve in efficiency.=20 Most of us were still thinking in analogue ways then :-)) "Just = 'cos it digital doesn't mean its better" I heard a number of times....we = were to be converted ! Of course a well respected physicist opined in 1900 that there was = little new left to discover in the field. Fortunately for me and the = rest of the profession, he was slightly wrong :-)) =20 Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any narrow = band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any wideband non = Gaussian or bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will = eventually become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH=20 We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX back = in the 1990's. 73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh then = existing Decca signals and other stuff. But when Peter examined the = output from the narrow filters, (the FFT bins) it lookdd like, and = appeared to show itself to be Gaussian. He said it passed the tests = for Gaussian noise A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian = signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, would = end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth.=20 In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have definite = components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the = bandwidth of the filter. Andy G4JNT =20 ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01D23621.A61636A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Andy yesI still have the ability to = burn images=20 to '128, 256, 512, and 1000, UV roms.If you need or want an image blown. = I=20 kept mine in an ISA motherboard :-)) it is the only machine that = will=20 handle some of the older programmable PMR radios. some of those held the = synth=20 code in PROM.
 
I think I am just remembering maybe 10 = years=20 earlier than you :-))  I played with "slow" FFTs written in Basic = !! to try=20 and get the hang of filters and spectral effects, leakage and = windowing=20 were all very new words to me in the early 80s. Once you see and = understand the=20 effects you perhaps can get a better practical feel. Even then I was = mainly=20 using my kit to do early exchange line-card testing. but=20 quickly. 
 
Still I'm getting boring so will quit.=20 :-))
 
Alaan
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy=20 Talbot
Sent: Thursday, November 03, = 2016 9:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise=20 cancelling?!?

Not sure what you're saying, Alan
 By "narrow band filtering"   I actually DO mean the = digital=20 filtering applied in the FFT process.  It was the ability to go = down to=20 30 milli-Hz bandwidth and lower  that showed Peter the bursty = impulses=20 etc were being filtered to something that passed the tests for being=20 Gaussian

Back then the digitisation and first stages of decimation had to = be done=20 on external Motorola DSP cards, communicating with a PC for display = and=20 further slower decimation and filtering.

Programming  DSP chips in assembler was great fun then - far = more=20 interesting than doing it in high level code for soundcards

I still have three Motorola 56002EVM modules - doubt they're = worth=20 anything now ;-)    Blowing the 27128 EEPROMS they use to = store the=20 code is not that easy to do now - wonder if anyone kept their old = EEPROM=20 programmers?

Andy


On 3 November 2016 at 20:47, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Andy things have changed since = then. Real=20 time FFTs were just beginning to be possible but not many had much=20 experience at that time. I remember the cleverest stuff I saw was = from a=20 graduate student. It closed down some more traditional work, like an = adaptive modem in weeks. Guessing from the comments on the = latest modes=20 now I think there seems to be little left to achieve in = efficiency.=20
 
Most of us were still thinking in = analogue ways=20 then :-))  "Just 'cos it digital doesn't mean its better" I = heard a=20 number of times....we were to be converted !
 
Of course a well respected = physicist opined in=20 1900 that there was little new left to discover in the field. = Fortunately=20 for me and the rest of the profession, he was slightly wrong = :-)) =20
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Andy Talbot
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, November = 03, 2016=20 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Smart = noise=20 cancelling?!?

But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - = as any=20 narrow band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any = wideband non=20 Gaussian or bursty noise when applied to this narrow filter will=20 eventually become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH=20

We first ealised this in teh original QRSS tests with G3PLX = back in=20 the 1990's.   73kHz was full of spikes and 'crud' from teh = then=20 existing Decca signals and other stuff.   But when Peter = examined the=20 output from the narrow filters, (the FFT bins)  it lookdd = like, and=20 appeared to show itself to be Gaussian.   He said it passed = the tests=20 for Gaussian noise

A mathematician could probably prove that any random non = Gaussian=20 signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, = would=20 end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth. 

In fact, to end up non-Gaussian, it would have to have = definite=20 components repeating at rates very close to the reciprocal of the=20 bandwidth of the filter.

Andy  G4JNT

 

------=_NextPart_000_008A_01D23621.A61636A0-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 07:33:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TINY_FONT,PLING_QUERY, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA46XbU4031062 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:33:37 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Xx2-0000DW-0e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:26:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2Xx1-0000DN-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:26:07 +0000 Received: from smtpcmd0648.aruba.it ([62.149.156.48] helo=smtpcmd01229.aruba.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2Xww-00032g-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:26:06 +0000 Received: from ik0vve.net ([62.149.158.90]) by smtpcmd06.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id 3iRz1u0011xJdJu01iRzpK; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 07:26:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:25:59 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <581B83FC.6060600@posteo.de> References: =?iso-8859-1?q?=3C581B3A1F=2E5060609=40posteo=2Ede=3E_=3Ce44cf075=2D7?= =?iso-8859-1?q?dd2=2D699b=2D6af3=2D656831b7c8df=40df3lp=2Ede=3E_=3C58?= =?iso-8859-1?q?1B83FC=2E6060600=40posteo=2Ede=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 From: "Max IK0VVE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-XaM3-API-Version: V3(R2) X-SenderIP: 212.66.105.4 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aruba.it; s=a1; t=1478240760; bh=ir95BG2ShwvE3np0xf7K4vcpvE2bzGilOXXnvJvc1Lk=; h=Date:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:From:To; b=A3inX9E9yHpbbNnkaSwQ815It9oSWNnajcgh2Bw3o3ptS9ERRdeNFZNlUBeTvHS7v v7gu7PdIHpLQ9c1t2HNvbbu7Ki0iQRP4PIUErocd9TwgmCAKO5EbBSRJHWDUEzlfIX 2pWUz5KPYmtpbHDAhDht+sepZqJvhGngknl39wJKBcPp6q9//lQdZ/bAkBGxwiVQ6K 6/4UjX8WyXVurcl4yn5T8XEoMpC6IPi7p4nBNsfHkfkRwVjhfXfni/8ZAFflsA/otr cHqCyJxTWJsHP/dILKxrrmqybbxfH9K0OZkmhdImpwLmCntHiIv1e1mKaC1y6qqV43 5yCcEgTtfsxWA== X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1478240759.2A.689794.42.6333.52.42.007.354709621" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 12478 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9390 --_=__=_XaM3_.1478240759.2A.689794.42.6333.52.42.007.354709621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends,=0A=0Ain the list there is an elite of eminent professionals= , so my participation to this post could sound like a cry of a newborn, H= I, but I would give my 1/2 =E2=82=ACcent to discussion.=C2=A0=0AAre about= 2 years that I receive strong noise from neighbour LED PS light, strong = means that I'm completely deaf from 0 to 150 MHz! The only real solution = I've found is the use of the X-phase killer with a little upgrade to bett= er work on MF and LF. Now I can hear your signals again, it works great.=0A= So thinking to VLF that is an "audio" frequency, could it be possible to = use the same principle and put the noise in 180=C2=B0 antiphase receiving= sferics with another RX some khz far (also a cheap LW radio) from main f= req as some noise cancelling headphones do?=C2=A0=0AProbably there is som= e problem that I didn't considered yet (band wide, delay, etc...)=0A=0ATh= anks to all.=0A=0A73, Max IK0VVE=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A________= ______________________=C2=A0...here some of my HAM Radio projects...SkyGe= M RotatorAntennaDinamicaRCR-DX=0Awww.ik0vve.net=0A=0A=0ADa: owner-rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org=0AA: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=0ACc: =0AData: Th= u, 03 Nov 2016 19:37:48 +0100=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!= ?=0A=0A=0AHi Peter,=0A=C2=A0=0AThat sounds interesting and looks convinci= ng. But it only works for =0A'compressed' spectra covering several kHz an= d hours, right?=0A=C2=A0=0AAs far as i understand this method can't be do= ne for weak signal =0Adetections because you 'need' all the energy availa= ble from the weak =0Asignal to fill the bin (one pixel) and just throw aw= ay what causes a =0Areduction of the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts= are blanked and =0Amost of the signal is coming through whereas your met= hod selects just a =0Asmall fraction of the incoming energy (?).=0A=C2=A0= =0AMy idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of QR= N =0Ahas different optimum blanker settings.=0A=C2=A0=0AAm 02.11.2016 21:= 25, schrieb Paul Nicholson:=0A>=C2=A0=0A> Even more aggressive sferic bla= nking raises=0A> the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2%=0A> S/N 16.10 dB i= n 25.4 uHz.=0A=C2=A0=0ASo, if propagation changes, the optimal blanker se= ttings will change. So =0Athey vary all the time. If a post-processing of= a transmission/recording =0Ataking several hours and night/day changes, = it could be useful to =0Adynamically vary the blanker settings. So these = blanker setting levels =0Awould have to be determined/calculated by the i= ncoming signal and then =0Aapplied in a next step.=0AThis may be CPU-load= intensive, i don't know, it's behind my current =0Askills. But the idea = is there...=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A73, Stefan=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AAm 03.11.2= 016 18:55, schrieb Peter:=0A> Hi Stefan et al.,=0A>=C2=A0=0A> On 03.11.20= 16 14:22, DK7FC wrote:=0A>> ...=0A>> Last night i thought a bit about noi= se cancelling on LF/VLF.=0A> > ...=0A>=C2=A0=0A> Running an experimental = receiver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi =0A> 3) I chose an almost no= n-parametric procedure running in frequency =0A> domain. It works as foll= ows:=0A> Do a windowed FFT, compute the median (by sorting) from the powe= r =0A> spectrum. Store all spectra and corresponding median values. Next = =0A> choose a time period (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the =0A= > lowest median, plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median =0A= > values" are more robust to outliers compared to other averaging =0A> pr= ocedures.=0A>=C2=A0=0A> See what happened when switching from simple aver= aging to median =0A> selection algorithm (~16:50 utc):=0A> http://lf-radi= o.de/cgi-bin/test/show_wf.cgi?date=3D16-10-02=0A>=C2=A0=0A> I know that t= his won't work in case of searching for coherent signal =0A> detection, o= r would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm =0A> detecting su= ch very weak signals from far east like NDI or RTZ on a =0A> regular basi= s.=0A>=C2=A0=0A> Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information = which may be =0A> useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 se= c. as a =0A> selection window strong time service transmitters nearly van= ished =0A> since the algorithm will unerringly choose the gaps [^_^]. The= refore =0A> I'm using only the spectral part between 15 and 50 kHz for co= mputing =0A> the median values.=0A>=C2=A0=0A> Peter, df3lp=0A>=C2=A0=0A=C2= =A0 --_=__=_XaM3_.1478240759.2A.689794.42.6333.52.42.007.354709621 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear friends,=

in the list there is an elite of eminent professionals, so my par= ticipation to this post could sound like a cry of a newborn, HI, but I wo= uld give my 1/2 =E2=82=ACcent to discussion. 
Are about 2 years t= hat I receive strong noise from neighbour LED PS light, strong means that= I'm completely deaf from 0 to 150 MHz! The only real solution I've found= is the use of the X-phase killer with a little upgrade to better work on= MF and LF. Now I can hear your signals again, it works great.
So thin= king to VLF that is an "audio" frequency, could it be possible to use the= same principle and put the noise in 180=C2=B0 antiphase receiving sferic= s with another RX some khz far (also a cheap LW radio) from main freq as = some noise cancelling headphones do? 
Probably there is some prob= lem that I didn't considered yet (band wide, delay, etc...)

Thanks= to all.

73, Max IK0VVE 
 
 


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Oggetto= : Re: LF: Smart noise cancelling?!?
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Hi Peter,<= /div>
 
That sounds interesting and looks convincing. = But it only works for
'compressed' spectra covering several kH= z and hours, right?
 
As far as i understand thi= s method can't be done for weak signal
detections because you = 'need' all the energy available from the weak
signal to fill t= he bin (one pixel) and just throw away what causes a
reduction= of the SNR, so just the stronger QRN bursts are blanked and
m= ost of the signal is coming through whereas your method selects just a
small fraction of the incoming energy (?).
 
My idea/question came from the consideration that different kind of= QRN
has different optimum blanker settings.
 <= /div>
Am 02.11.2016 21:25, schrieb Paul Nicholson:
>&nbs= p;
> Even more aggressive sferic blanking raises
&= gt; the decode to Eb/N0 +1.7 dB BER 38.2%
> S/N 16.10 dB in = 25.4 uHz.
 
So, if propagation changes, the opti= mal blanker settings will change. So
they vary all the time. I= f a post-processing of a transmission/recording
taking several= hours and night/day changes, it could be useful to
dynamicall= y vary the blanker settings. So these blanker setting levels
w= ould have to be determined/calculated by the incoming signal and then
applied in a next step.
This may be CPU-load intensive,= i don't know, it's behind my current
skills. But the idea is = there...
 
 
73, Stefan
 
 
Am 03.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Peter:
> Hi Stefan et al.,
> On 03.= 11.2016 14:22, DK7FC wrote:
>> ...
>> Las= t night i thought a bit about noise cancelling on LF/VLF.
> = > ...
> Running an experimental rece= iver at VLF/LF for SID-detection (on RPi
> 3) I chose an al= most non-parametric procedure running in frequency
> domain= . It works as follows:
> Do a windowed FFT, compute the medi= an (by sorting) from the power
> spectrum. Store all spectr= a and corresponding median values. Next
> choose a time per= iod (let's say 100ms), pick the spectrum with the
> lowest = median, plot it, drop all the others. The key is that "Median
= > values" are more robust to outliers compared to other averaging
> procedures.
> See what happ= ened when switching from simple averaging to median
> selec= tion algorithm (~16:50 utc):
> http://lf-radio.de/cgi-bin/te= st/show_wf.cgi?date=3D16-10-02
> I know= that this won't work in case of searching for coherent signal
> detection, or would be hard to implement. But using this method I'm=
> detecting such very weak signals from far east like NDI = or RTZ on a
> regular basis.
> Drawbacks? Yes; it's throwing away a lot of information which may b= e
> useful. Another pitfall has to be mentioned: using 1 se= c. as a
> selection window strong time service transmitters= nearly vanished
> since the algorithm will unerringly choo= se the gaps [^_^]. Therefore
> I'm using only the spectral = part between 15 and 50 kHz for computing
> the median value= s.
> Peter, df3lp
> <= /div>
 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9391 Andy wrote: > But surely, when narrowband filtering is in place - as any > narrow band mode will of necessity be doing internally - any > wideband non Gaussian or bursty noise when applied to this > narrow filter will eventually become Gaussian IN THAT BANDWIDTH Was about to chip in with the same point but you beat me. > A mathematician could probably prove that any random non Gaussian > signal if filtered sufficiently narrow in comparison to itsnature, > would end up Gaussian in the filtered bandwidth. I guess, a consequence of the central limit theorem. After all, the FFT is just a sum of lots of time domain samples. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 07:55:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA46tQw1031112 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:55:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2YMY-0000Qe-KQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:52:30 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2YMW-0000QV-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:52:28 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2YMT-0003Eo-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:52:27 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=k4QJPbP//MaS/rqjKMNUpx/2YPxHdSHIGbjP0DmuLsw=; b=caoGCn5l2S0MZRt67i2Yz+xBhi jqDbkZYS46WhROCGM1PVo2mJGX5dC5H5eiCmNWr8VlOUFPgjuVMOIhKNKKf2hJcJQb0ZqbUihhrMV 7sruvbUuIcTSQLGJEJ2KWh/nEobQhEkUTpRGmvaR/TnNy8nddYpuI9eHq61yAU/CKNRM=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:33741 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2YMS-0003mn-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:52:24 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68FA400486 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:52:23 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:52:23 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9392 http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102b.gif Stefan wrote: > The new error map is more informative. The errors > are quite equally spread i find. Yes. There are thinner bits and thicker ones, but I suppose if just random red lines were plotted, the eye would be drawn to random bunches and voids which actually have no significance. Difference between success and failure is only a few bits, eg Eb/N0 = +1.7 dB bit error rate = 501/1312 Virtually certain decode Eb/N0 = -0.2 dB bit error rate = 531/1312 ~95% chance Eb/N0 = -0.5 dB bit error rate = 535/1312 ~80% chance Eb/N0 = -1.0 dB bit error rate = 541/1312 ~50% chance Eb/N0 = -1.7 dB bit error rate = 551/1312 Almost no chance Something like 20 bits between a good chance and no chance. Cliff effect. Still working on 2016-11-03 06:00 16K25A S30 C11, so far no decode but a couple of settings remain to try. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 14:06:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA4D6GXS032142 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:06:16 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2e6b-0000lz-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2e6a-0000lq-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:24 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2e6X-0004p7-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:00:23 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDD17209C5 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:00:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t9MPs0vBdz106c for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:00:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:00:16 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 33d261536bb1467bb13d5764461d5ec4 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1655 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9393 Hi Paul, Am 04.11.2016 07:52, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/161102b.gif A few more thoughts: -The error density is not really higher during times of higher noise. So the SNR may be as good as in daylight? Time for a night-transmission test! -There are short periods in which the error density is very high, it's RED!! Probably this is the Terminator (II) which passes to that time between our path and that misterious 46 km band? How many terminators are there? And when do they pass? - I find it interesting to focus on errors rather than on the actual signal :-) They also contain relevant information to study the band over our path. > Difference between success and failure is only a few bits, eg > > Eb/N0 = +1.7 dB bit error rate = 501/1312 Virtually certain decode > Eb/N0 = -0.2 dB bit error rate = 531/1312 ~95% chance > Eb/N0 = -0.5 dB bit error rate = 535/1312 ~80% chance > Eb/N0 = -1.0 dB bit error rate = 541/1312 ~50% chance > Eb/N0 = -1.7 dB bit error rate = 551/1312 Almost no chance Very interesting. It helps to better understand what a successful decode depends on. > Still working on 2016-11-03 06:00 16K25A S30 C11, so far no decode > but a couple of settings remain to try. Good luck for us! It's a bit a pity that the phase varies so much between day and night. I would have fun to try a message with 1000 second symbols and 20 characters. Even if they take 2 weeks, no problem! Ah, and another thing: Did you ever see a frequency offset or (relevant) time offset on my transmissions. If so, it would be useful to get a feedback. 73, Stefan > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 14:48:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA4DmaMY032253 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:48:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2enW-0000th-W9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:44:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2enU-0000tY-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:44:44 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2enS-00052G-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:44:43 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vfka+otOgD8ByVG+e1/5K3mh01eZtojfEaI+t5cbhWs=; b=CrHpx1G0PLjiXUW64onNplS238 etgvQCcbfHg5+qYySxzyQP5fprfAaiI1PHWYrkl9mLiWz6/nP1rwaYmAod5BABcc9c6f1tU+4V3HL 8JeHcsFf7DoMRbXplUkHbX7t9l6K+3zTHZmGJWoOVozwSkEHwCRmYdgOFtZUlK7TXhxI=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:35685 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2enQ-00050B-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:44:40 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAAC40073E for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:44:39 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:44:39 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: a6b6ffaf48fdddf1ed5c25dc4bf03ee1 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1081 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9394 > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > Symbol length: 30 s > Characters: 11 No decode of this one. > Time for a night-transmission test! Let's try. > Did you ever see a frequency offset or (relevant) time > offset on my transmissions. Frequency ok, carrier and successful decodes showed no phase shift over long periods. Signal too weak to check for short period phase changes. I haven't looked to bit clock offsets, I assume with these long symbols that it won't be a problem. > There are short periods in which the error density is > very high, Eg 13:30 to 14:30 but the noise was low. And there are short periods when it is completely red. Even random noise would only give half red. Probably just statistics. > It's a bit a pity that the phase varies so much between > day and night. No so much, 60 degrees, and I can compensate for that before the decoder. Day/night phase change should be less of a problem as we go to lower frequencies. LWPC is not much help without a better ionosphere model than its basic LWPM model. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 15:10:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA4EAXsC032312 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 15:10:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2f83-00010V-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:05:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2f81-00010H-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:05:57 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2f7x-00059O-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:05:56 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41F5520A34 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 15:05:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t9NsS64nvz103w for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 15:05:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 15:05:48 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 138e3b341e0543401afa7e97ee054540 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2456 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9395 Paul, Thanks for the results. BUT! Another idea: You know the mode "WOLF", used on LF years ago and rarely these days (maybe someone will use it again now? :-) ). A message is sent several times and the sequences are added until a decode appears. (Sorry for the bad formulation). Couldn't we do that the same way on VLF? In SpecLab i'm steering the PA and PSK and Start/Stop times of the carrier directly, in the periodic actions. See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/EbNaut_SL.png At 5 UTC (when i am deeply sleeping) the TX starts and warms up the coil. At 6 UTC the message / PSK keying is started. At 20:08 UTC the carrier / transmission is stopped after the end of the last symbol. This procedure is repeated day by day, endlessly, or, until the electric bill arrives. I could just run it for another day and you can build an overlay of the two transmissions, right? This is a different thing then, a different league compared to single/'normal' EbNaut transmissions. Would you agree that this makes sense? If so, i would repeat the message just like the first one that did not decode so far, as you say. If this will work, we could even think about shorter symbol periods to concentrate on the low QRN periods. 73, Stefan Am 04.11.2016 14:44, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 30 s > > Characters: 11 > > No decode of this one. > > > Time for a night-transmission test! > > Let's try. > > > Did you ever see a frequency offset or (relevant) time > > offset on my transmissions. > > Frequency ok, carrier and successful decodes showed no > phase shift over long periods. Signal too weak to check > for short period phase changes. > > I haven't looked to bit clock offsets, I assume with these > long symbols that it won't be a problem. > > > There are short periods in which the error density is > > very high, > > Eg 13:30 to 14:30 but the noise was low. And there are > short periods when it is completely red. Even random > noise would only give half red. Probably just statistics. > > > It's a bit a pity that the phase varies so much between > > day and night. > > No so much, 60 degrees, and I can compensate for that before > the decoder. Day/night phase change should be less of a > problem as we go to lower frequencies. LWPC is not much > help without a better ionosphere model than its basic > LWPM model. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Fri Nov 4 19:47:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1002; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_PASS,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA4IlSmX000678 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 19:47:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2jOO-0001KC-O7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:39:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2jON-0001K3-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:39:07 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-1.talktalk.net ([62.24.135.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2jOK-0006SO-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:39:06 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:192.168.1.7] ([79.69.147.89]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id 2jOHcBHY30Kuv2jOIcP40v; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:39:02 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=talktalk.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=talktalk.net; s=1605; t=1478284742; bh=jSBzcApmDvKxRMzjVtwZtCio1bUFkX8GHiU1eL9lJ1U=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=m3h8qfdQvKYDmG7KmDuqDIK8GI4OtBptX8Q7r9/JIS1JDEjKhV/NhHwUdGl/R7R22 Hs9OHVaIzhgBsyXw5sEQ2YF9BjRgbSapwCKoiPfUB8HyY2+mq4x6sfE73wrmPgQ55a RreRJMWi4Xgc2VJ8IQoO9WOQUhLis+OMQtkLcInc= X-Originating-IP: [79.69.147.89] X-Spam: 0 X-OAuthority: v=2.2 cv=RZjSMBlv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=hldZTU72ocZcKyiBByZpuQ==:117 a=hldZTU72ocZcKyiBByZpuQ==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=1vIow4nYZM09GgNKA-MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Ul_nfymqEN8A:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=4iV0oah55bhXaW75qi8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" From: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:39:02 +0000 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBWGpkzucJ8JIiai+hp+FGFemrhFsJomPgoB9xNMqb/xFz6mdcACSeiqMbGuy8+B7Vu6FQE2GFL5mQLa2JXwmtTV6Kpl/C0m5NSUzejK06ihuM2DUGO4 Lj1pYG93XaoO4hT7VENEbuDLpI6t2I3JsJqVa6AaDS6p4ESO+5ReoplDOEJKl2EY8ls61ZZI7+BSRAU78XHX/SxT+MUFTcod96yGt15IDOBKKRac1mQmCzQT cnY3X+0zpDW+0gsAq7tEMg== X-Scan-Signature: 195b836cb7437e99aa05107459888659 Message-Id: Subject: LF: MF HELL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_B02F585B-9E7C-41C6-B39B-22F410E72C6F_" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1938 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9396 --_B02F585B-9E7C-41C6-B39B-22F410E72C6F_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" IW4DXW NICE SIG ON HELL AT PRESENT, PERFECT COPY MAL/G3KEV Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --_B02F585B-9E7C-41C6-B39B-22F410E72C6F_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

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= --_B02F585B-9E7C-41C6-B39B-22F410E72C6F_-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 10:48:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA59mTBs002507 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 10:48:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2xS6-0001zO-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:39:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2xS6-0001zF-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:39:54 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2xS3-0001Ab-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:39:53 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BGfigeNXL/3xK2fB/tv4vFLDmIX4qvogRSYVyoJrw6k=; b=VsujwUiZcRSoOCr+Yt0i2yP9Rb WsEup/SnkZ3HFa6fTGq2CB29YUdzEYVOXfcmeAqRgZzoIIq7t5MKaKDzae2/5AQSvpcvGAV0d4LBY ZI+/NboHz81JFv/FcPjrBF/Yau2952daY17mCD8uZw1JF7BH94GwqTgWvgOeFHivIugk=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:40997 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2xS1-000115-Jt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:39:49 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC6B400486 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:39:48 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:39:48 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9397 Tried to decode *** messages from the overnight carrier Oct 10th/11th 18:00 to 06:00 and the best result was 2 chars 50 second symbols 16K25A with 18 bit CRC at +1.0 dB, BER 42.8%, constant reference phase. It was an averagely noisy night. Looks like we'll have to use daytime signal and combine multiple days. Probably a method we will need for 2970 Hz. > A message is sent several times and the sequences are > added until a decode appears. If added coherently. Or send with longer symbols, splitting the sending across multiple days. Well I can test those two methods here with simulated signal and noise. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 11:20:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5AK460002569 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:20:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2y0h-00026w-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:15:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2y0h-00026n-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:15:39 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2y0e-0001KI-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:15:38 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id t79so92400022wmt.0 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 03:15:36 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=A2cHpoUIJaS0MrmdLyQPMJvRC5s3+BvGPrT+782P+ug=; b=B0qY7okVsiOaOkDMAhnorNMTGCRGHjxWS/tSlnipWJeV/YQPfcCQ9VfAoskEh957Dl gTwmERxCIATJ/K/aGStYCjUqNNCtkapFXUs+AUn+eBsnT1rLRdMZMM5pMvB6X66O7uuY AddQh2Ed6aX5VRwh0GpV+P9awlQxdO3TFPBljLk2ckyJHajLDkHKFSV6CUGM6gshXzsw Nfo35sncAqg/pmBYmUIl2x282BOGfAYRVsww5WMhknGiVWSNhQAk9Wa64t3GViqgFyiU 4H4Ueis7DCJuu9526rWD6NKfkjfi7k7amnHUQh1wEYGDCbFK7O7pY3pomxFCIVFWx3dN S55A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=A2cHpoUIJaS0MrmdLyQPMJvRC5s3+BvGPrT+782P+ug=; b=gQmB2pm08qt9jtlKcqRkqSroyh7iU0iGAuB1l4J3b1hBWjgn7ukEalYIVYLDYX8cLR 7EobYsz7UDzGU0XrQNJiJn1JbGuhlFWRVqrg6nHUaXy4IyFRujH71WMs3qEkHiR/exWU HTCWJ1QBnKbhwaeXSCURjSaAfiJp4245Je9joLTMNTyS8KBTVLJJ+zyHcOqPxsAK1y8L KAexq97BMXvEFqxsNgBgvmoERcYjP400DXNDkjhf0ge53qXafLP/q8nD9f7Io4PYComs zxxIQT93a1p0DgE+Q7EcySvAOFRM/7JIUGZ5bAwubLetAtoEjrsg8CTr20we+a0zyd7o W67w== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveHkYC4PM/d/i5FocZya8O+WEXaAGTqTlSn6hbxzv6QSzbdf16J8nTh8eVx4ivIqQ== X-Received: by 10.28.21.21 with SMTP id 21mr1170157wmv.132.1478340934360; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 03:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t186sm1385838wmt.22.2016.11.05.03.15.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Nov 2016 03:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Rabson Message-Id: <1B6E0A56-9CD8-4821-8C11-52C3C3980207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:15:31 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Scan-Signature: 4d4a9e8f68fb15c54898568240f542c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: LF: Equivalent to Argo (134 or 143) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA5AK460002569 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9398 I ran these programs under Windows XP and found them very useful. Is there something that will provide similar functionality under OS X El Capitan? I would prefer not to get involved in Wine or anything similar. John F5VLf john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 11:55:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5Atn3J002624 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:55:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c2yZj-0002EL-1b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c2yZi-0002EC-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:51:50 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c2yZg-0001Th-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:51:49 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1406320A36 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:51:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3t9wW50LzPz106F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 11:51:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 11:51:44 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9399 A second transmission is running now but it is a rainy day so the antenna current is a bit lower. Same message, symbol length, phase orientation and start time as on 03.Oct.2016. 73, Stefan Am 05.11.2016 10:39, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Tried to decode *** messages from the overnight carrier Oct > 10th/11th 18:00 to 06:00 and the best result was 2 chars 50 > second symbols 16K25A with 18 bit CRC at +1.0 dB, BER 42.8%, > constant reference phase. > > It was an averagely noisy night. > > Looks like we'll have to use daytime signal and combine > multiple days. Probably a method we will need for 2970 Hz. > > > A message is sent several times and the sequences are > > added until a decode appears. > > If added coherently. Or send with longer symbols, splitting > the sending across multiple days. > > Well I can test those two methods here with simulated signal and > noise. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 13:27:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5CRW4v002782 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 13:27:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c300I-0002Of-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 12:23:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c300H-0002OW-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 12:23:21 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c300E-0001nZ-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 12:23:20 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NYrtiX26skGrnc5nvlNPtNSTRFvngOdlvCJZwltpRsY=; b=wYntD4K+LZVpfAq80R+5+S/MNM LDHFgp7tL2AuF22I6lAeS9ZkocCafHsooKzwdOQ4EHqdUrS5yHqHiIUp6Ut5wfyFQkl1wcnB8h2IQ uw84WiMNYZ+Ge9wCpD3kUks4pwaAOaD+9k3pcqKZhFYQ79EDP4pbPfTH7SwGrT6YQH04=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:41389 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c300D-0001fN-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 12:23:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A37400411 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:23:10 +0000 (UTC) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 12:23:10 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 6aac716dc074d63ee3780b79bbe46b5d Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9400 > Same message, symbol length, phase orientation and > start time as on 03.Oct.2016. Great. If it doesn't decode, I'll add it coherently to the Oct 3rd message and try the decoder on the sum. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 17:31:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5GVrwi003192 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:31:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c33of-0002ef-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c33oe-0002eW-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:27:36 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c33ob-0002Zj-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:27:35 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56305209AC for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:27:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tB3yV009czyp1 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:27:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2016 17:27:29 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: ddae800c6581715278ab3184b42d46db Subject: LF: FR5ZX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9401 MF, FR5ZX is back on MF WSPR. Give it a try! I'm in Heidelberg so i can't switch to MF this night... 73, GL Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 17:54:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5GsQFc003238 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:54:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c34BP-0002lJ-Mb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:51:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c34BO-0002lA-Uo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:51:06 +0000 Received: from gmy2-mh865.smtproutes.com ([94.186.192.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c34BM-0002fi-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:51:05 +0000 X-Katharion-ID: 1478364651.75220.gmy2-mh865 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.es ([87.216.178.132]) by gmy2-mh865.smtproutes.com [(94.186.192.194)] with ESMTP via TCP (TLSv1/TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA); 05 Nov 2016 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:50:47 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: FR5ZX Thread-Index: AQHSN4JOPN+UrsYXN02Y3DooNApefKDKmZ0e Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local> References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org>,<581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [82.213.215.27] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 5c335215f1b3de26d890ee84d49616ce Subject: LF: Re: FR5ZX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA5GsQFc003238 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9402 Pity ! I had to fold down antenna due to winds and rain in the coming days :( Ken, ZS6KN is also QRV for a couple of hours at terminator. Don't think this is the best schedule according to the experience of last winter with FR5ZX He is using Icom 718 and full size +-50m end to end multi band traveling wave antenna at 12m Good luck 73 de Luis EA5DOM ________________________________________ De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de DK7FC [selberdenken@posteo.de] Enviado: sbado, 5 de noviembre de 2016 17:27 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: LF: FR5ZX MF, FR5ZX is back on MF WSPR. Give it a try! I'm in Heidelberg so i can't switch to MF this night... 73, GL Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sat Nov 5 22:05:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA5L54GJ003687 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 22:05:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c381q-0002xk-Tj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 20:57:30 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c381q-0002xb-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 20:57:30 +0000 Received: from omr-m004e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c381n-0003Rr-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 20:57:29 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.79]) by omr-m004e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B9004380006E for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-acd05a.mail.aol.com (core-acd05.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.15]) by mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 791F838000081 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 188.192.95.60 by webprd-m32.mail.aol.com (10.74.63.40) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:57:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:57:22 -0400 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-Id: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [188.192.95.60] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1478379442; bh=BCabg4cylZlCvOnDRTFVfphKKZyQGh5a0OXXZD2LfAE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D8OJhqK8IMARQU/JoFTTBVePC1zyDDMqOqRoQo7Q5wr3Lh3Jg3BqgJpp5D4Bt+KV0 DgMLNqfa9JHM7KwTh9iJlamtTZrzILfKiujFpkQKGjtc9sgHpzOci/Hw1nUFvUW+uU B1/VcyTJkL5ADZxv1NVdz5lnjD2uAf3pw8nhtBbs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4f581e47b20366 X-Scan-Signature: 5c1f37c04fc013ebbc2288fd3791d043 Subject: LF: Loran and Alpha Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60157_705476946.1478379441374" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1948 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9403 ------=_Part_60157_705476946.1478379441374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East chain (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air regularly since Sep 21st. On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running only "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about the outage? Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_Part_60157_705476946.1478379441374 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East chain (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable

American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air regularly since Sep 21st.

On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running only "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about the outage?

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)  
 
------=_Part_60157_705476946.1478379441374-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 05:02:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6423E4004381 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 05:02:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Eaf-0003H6-3U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 03:57:53 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Eae-0003Gx-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 03:57:52 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca ([64.59.136.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3EaY-0004hp-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 03:57:51 +0000 Received: from StevePC ([24.108.60.123]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id 3EaRc3a4PKjjy3EaScSf7t; Sat, 05 Nov 2016 21:57:41 -0600 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=shaw.ca Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20150330; t=1478404661; bh=n7Dq3o+bKGPKJBh4EvslWWGVhy7Ov2x0bVq3VdiZ1TU=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=L2WmfiobYju7mqx3s5z4glnguqC77SmZya6EwWuEHmHfDs42EjKqQBXC5/qmxuuyM biCctUPsrUaxw59DaapylinKkJTdFRkt+0tx4ceUgwbb++G7LA5K0OMDDeTOuumvih CBIboi+QIVyUjCmOeU/xzvyCIH//M646vEZeRdCOPQqyVhe7TV3iHmLNjv8A1Fspa7 Hl2dWnDrERoc/l4N3JeeCzG4iyoWoEgTQPFs58Fc5JO7BBmOlbY5C952FVPWvArIs1 UiMEMWr1nWwyZGg3mR0Rr2XsQfUXZMem6yJ4Jd+Q4HaANzxt83aLg+kWJcFA5EWkEH eJ+Pmmr1ChH5w== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=SPoybKnH c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:117 a=02AN2SbtWL/JWAP7bjKH1A==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=giydrZjGAAAA:8 a=eL5lqVd3AAAA:8 a=XakZVnvoAAAA:8 a=f0RPBRECAAAA:8 a=_Dj-zB-qAAAA:8 a=98DnYak8AUIoO2d2PQgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GyA8q4goil0A:10 a=JyT0kAtC2-hSCwV5kcG3:22 a=r5fwSD0_7PCr-xOGcPf9:22 a=xxZW640QTTI_Cp2RIoNx:22 a=zjcYse0341Ve5FZVLbGU:22 a=c-cOe7UV8MviEfHuAVEQ:22 Message-ID: From: "Steve" To: References: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 20:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDcgd+g2fAa8tsARLFVvdhaNHOg+M0H7dhsGEfL0lDe6RNpDqmB0VcCIBeuZGqi7rrQqYB9TgYbWN0YKoy8kSDJ3E/54NZ3qQyzqgy1cmf+/OXiZ3l+B cGfzfufn4letYSMuztxi1KVk/BGQe8qqFHzLOhNRMqHgNkhyVvR5Im5A X-Scan-Signature: 61577e2058c0d3bf1737d7de6ed6eb16 Subject: LF: Upcoming 630m Crossband Night - Saturday, Nov 12th Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 2873 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9404 I know there are several folks on this list that are interested in 630m band actvities here in NA. Some of you may even be planning to get on 630 when it becomes a ham band in the U.S. Here in Canada, we've had the band for a couple of years now and regular 'crossband' QSO events have allowed interested amateurs in North America to explore the band's potential by working the 630m Canadians. The next 'crossband evening' will be one week from tonight, on Saturday, November 12th. As in previous events, the participating Canadian CW stations will be calling CQ on specific allocated frequencies and will be listening on their announced HF (QSX) frequencies, within the 160, 80 and 40m bands. In past crossband nights, transcontinental CW QSO's have been completed as have contacts between the west coast and Hawaii. The popularity of this event has continued to increase each year as more and more amateurs become interested in this part of the spectrum (472 - 479 kHz). Hopefully this trend will continue next weekend and that you will consider taking part in the one night event. As in the past, numerous U.S. 'experimental' stations will be active on the band, either running CW beacons or seeking two-way QSO's with other stations in the experimental service. As well, some may be operating WSPR or JT9 modes. All are interested in your reception reports and most of the experimental callsigns can be found via a QRZ.com lookup. The Maritime Radio Historical Society are also promising activity, as KSM / KPH in Bolinas, California will be activated for the night, sending weather notices, press bulletins and possibly engaging in two-way work with historical naval ships involved with the MHRS. All told, there will be six different participating Canadian stations that will cover most regions of the continent, should propagation co-operate! More information as well as a detailed schedule of times and frequencies may be found here: http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/2016/10/novembers-630m-activity-cw-crossband.html As well, if you have not participated previously, you will find some useful hints to help you out. Details were previously released on both the ARRL and RAC 'news' pages, here: http://www.arrl.org/news/630-meter-special-event-set-for-mid-november and here: http://wp.rac.ca/ I will also post a reminder next Friday, one day before the event. I would also ask and encourage you to pass this information forward within your blogs / Facebook / Twitter pages as well so that as many amateurs as possible are aware of the activity. Please e-mail me if you have any questions and we all hope to see as many participants as possible next Saturday night! 73, Steve / VE7SL WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl VE7SL BLOG - "Homebrewing and Operating Adventures From 2200m to Nanowaves": http://ve7sl.blogspot.ca/ From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 14:58:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6DwhUK005429 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:58:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Nqd-000572-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:50:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Nqc-00056t-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:50:58 +0000 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Nqb-0006uh-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:50:57 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.216]) by mwinf5d17 with ME id 4dqm1u0014g1yCn03dqmD5; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:50:56 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:50:56 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.216 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:50:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161106-0, 06/11/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: 2E0ILY by UA4WPF Loc LO66PU Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01D23834.C61CD980" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 174467 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9405 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01D23834.C61CD980 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0018_01D23834.C61CD980" ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01D23834.C61CD980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rx at Sat, 05 Nov 2016 21:53:21 GMT >From 2E0ILY by UA4WPF Loc LO66PU Frequency: 0.136 MHz (2200m), OPERA, -40dB Distance: 3502 km bearing 60=B0 Looks like the real thing to me , decode , 3502 Km -40 right on the lim= it .. 73-G, --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_001_0018_01D23834.C61CD980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 

Rx at Sat, 05 Nov 2016 21:53:21 = GMT
From 2E0ILY by UA4WPF Loc LO66PU
Frequency: 0.136 M= Hz (2200m), OPERA, -40dB
Distance: 3502 km bearing 60=B0

 
 
Looks like the  real thing to me , decode ,  3502 Km  -= 40 right on the  limit ..
 
 
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Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6EBDuR005460 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:11:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3O6y-0005Dk-Kx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:07:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3O6y-0005Db-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:07:52 +0000 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3O6v-00070G-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:07:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([86.31.33.210]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 4e7k1u0034Y1DuW01e7nYp; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:07:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [86.31.33.210] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=Ha/pNXw8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jn/JOh/JfiX48zzdjRLp/g==:117 a=jn/JOh/JfiX48zzdjRLp/g==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=wakH9e78iecA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=fF0BDCFzpmr292zBQz0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ShfwlZvjYTKADRB-jT1f:22 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 14:07:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <581F392D.7574.6079F88@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> References: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.71.565) Content-description: Mail message body X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: Loran and Alpha Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1179 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9406 The good condtions to Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on 137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My transmissions were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS (2420km) at 2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF (3503km) at 2153. Mike, G3XDV ============ > Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East chain > (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk > (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite > rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable > > American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air > regularly since Sep 21st. > > On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off > air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running only > "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for > navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about the > outage? > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release Date: > 11/06/16 From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 17:48:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6GmZHu005903 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:48:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3QYK-0005Qi-17 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:44:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3QYJ-0005QZ-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:44:15 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3QY3-0007cD-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:44:14 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CE2420ADC for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:43:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tBhGz5DnTz106P for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:43:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581F5DCB.6030206@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:43:55 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org>,<581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local> X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: LF: ZS6KN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1395 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9407 Hi Luis, Interesting. Are you in contact with him? Do you know more details? How does he use the dipole? As a short dipole or as a T-antenne against a clean (separate, not the house) earth? Any band limiting components? In the WSPR database i can see he got decodes down to the 80m band in the last 2 weeks. So it works basically. In this moment, the grey line is crossing his location and he appears on the map. VK stations should have a much better chance i assume. But nothing so far. Maybe he is even reading the reflector? :-) 73, Stefan Am 05.11.2016 17:50, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernndez: > Pity ! I had to fold down antenna due to winds and rain in the coming days :( > > Ken, ZS6KN is also QRV for a couple of hours at terminator. Don't think this is the best > schedule according to the experience of last winter with FR5ZX > > He is using Icom 718 and full size +-50m end to end multi band traveling wave antenna at 12m > > Good luck > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > ________________________________________ > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de DK7FC [selberdenken@posteo.de] > Enviado: sbado, 5 de noviembre de 2016 17:27 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Asunto: LF: FR5ZX > > MF, > > FR5ZX is back on MF WSPR. Give it a try! 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Sun, 06 Nov 2016 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.67.75 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 09:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alex R7NT Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:42:43 +0300 Message-ID: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Scan-Signature: c8f89d347648298cef9c3b88c7a1cae2 Subject: LF: Nov 5-6 Best QRB/reports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113dbe4e49eb2f0540a56f19 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 69230 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9408 --001a113dbe4e49eb2f0540a56f19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 *Nov 5-6 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 / WSPR2 >450km / OP32 / OPds32 :* 2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA *4563*km 137477.000Hz 2mHz -35.4dBOp 92% 19.1dB DF6NM (7) 2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA *4421*km 137477.000Hz 2mHz -37.8dBOp 97% 19.8dB DK7FC (6) 2016-11-05 23:15 R7NT 0.137602 -26 0 KN97lf 200 UA0SNV OO18jb *4294* 50 (18) 2016-11-05 23:18 R7NT *4294*km 137541.946Hz 4mHz -38.5dBOp 100% 19.5dB UA0SNV (10) 2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA *4189*km 137477.188Hz 14mHz -36.0dBOp 97% 16.5dB DF2JP (1) 06:31 136 VO1NA de PA7EY Op32 *4040* km -40 dB F:8% in Amsterdam (1) 06:31 136 VO1NA de G3XDV Op32 *3730* km -36 dB F:7% in Welwyn (2) 21:53 136 2E0ILY de UA4WPF Op32 Deep Search *3502* km -40 dB in Izhevsk (1) 2016-11-05 19:15 R7NT 0.137603 -34 0 KN97lf 200 G8HUH IO81mg *3033* 294 (2) 19:21 136 G3XDV de RA3TGZ Op32 Deep Search *2857* km -43 dB in Sarov 1536,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1) 18:18 136 R7NT de G3XDV Op32 *2835* km -38 dB F:11% in Welwyn with 200w + EsLoop (3) 2016-11-05 21:31 2E0ILY *2523*km 137497.406Hz 119mHz -45.0dBOp 97% 18.5dB RN3AUS (1) 21:49 136 2E0ILY de RN3AUS Op32 -37 dB F:14% in KO85fn (*2523* km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137498.9 Hz (1) 2016-11-05 16:15 R7NT 0.137427 -17 0 KN97lf 200 PA7EY JO22jj *2493* 296 (11) 20:18 136 R7NT de PA7EY Op32 *2492* km -31 dB F:9%_End in Amsterdam (7) 2016-11-06 11:06 WE2XPQ 0.137579 -19 0 BP51ip 0.2 W7IUV DN07dg *2455* 117 (14) 2016-11-05 20:48 G3XDV *2421*km 137531.815Hz 2mHz -36.8dBOp 100% 20.3dB RN3AUS (3) 21:06 136 G3XDV de RN3AUS Op32 -39 dB F:49% in KO85fn (*2420* km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137533.2 Hz (1) 2016-11-06 00:15 R7NT 0.137603 -29 0 KN97lf 200 DF2JP JO31hh *2369* 293 (9) 2016-11-06 00:18 R7NT *2369*km 137542.303Hz 2mHz -37.9dBOp 82% 17.6dB DF2JP (2) 2016-11-05 20:44 IK1HSS 0.137450 -27 0 JN35tb 0.2 RN3AUS KO85fn *2332* 50 (4) 2016-11-05 17:16 G3XDV *2266*km 137534.892Hz 4mHz -44.7dBOp 100% 18.6dB SV8RV (2) 17:21 136 G3XDV de SV8RV Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -41 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl.GREECE 1534,9 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1) 17:21 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-12 Op32 Deep Search *2265* km -41 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1535,3 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1) 2016-11-05 21:18 R7NT *2234*km 137542.035Hz 2mHz -41.7dBOp 90% 19.7dB DK7FC (5) 2016-11-05 22:30 R7NT 0.137602 -24 0 KN97lf 200 SM2DJK KP03au *2180* 335 (15) 23:18 136 R7NT de SM2DJK Op32 *2179* km -31 dB F:8%_End in Umea (6) 2016-11-05 20:30 R7NT 0.137602 -26 0 KN97lf 200 DF6NM JN59nj *2060* 287 (11) 2016-11-05 17:18 R7NT *2060*km 137542.036Hz 4mHz -37.9dBOp 97% 20.4dB DF6NM (12) 2016-11-05 20:36 2E0ILY 0.137550 -27 0 IO82qv 0.01 EW6BN KO45jl *2046* 69 (3) 2016-11-05 21:48 2E0ILY *2046*km 137500.720Hz 140mHz -43.6dBOp 67% 19.1dB EW6BN (1) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de EW6BN/6 Op32 *2045* km -29 dB F:1% in Polotsk 1999,1 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (1) 19:09 136 RK2Y de PA7EY Op32 Deep Search *1969* km -42 dB End in Amsterdam (1) 2016-11-05 22:40 G8HUH 0.137422 -28 0 IO81mg 0.1 SM2DJK KP03au *1939* 35 (3) 2016-11-05 21:06 G3XDV *1939*km 137535.121Hz 7mHz -40.7dBOp 87% 18.6dB EW6BN (3) 21:06 136 G3XDV de EW6BN/6 Op32 *1938* km -33 dB F:2% in Polotsk 2033,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2) 2016-11-05 18:30 R7NT 0.137602 -28 0 KN97lf 200 SV8RV KM07ks *1811* 241 (14) 2016-11-05 18:30 R7NT 0.137603 -26 0 KN97lf 200 SV8RV-12 KM07ks *1811* 241 (14) 2016-11-05 22:18 R7NT *1811*km 137541.860Hz 2mHz -38.6dBOp 100% 19.4dB SV8RV (11) 19:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV Op32 *1809* km -35 dB F:25% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl.GREECE 1541,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (10) 22:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV-10 Op32 *1809* km -38 dB F:8% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1542,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8 ) 19:18 136 R7NT de SV8RV-12 Op32 1809 km -33 dB F:18% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE with 200w + EsLoop (12) 21:06 136 G3XDV de SM2DJK Op32 *1781* km -31 dB F:3% in Umea (2) 2016-11-05 22:50 2E0ILY 0.137551 -14 0 IO82qv 0.01 SM2DJK KP03au *1780* 38 (10) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de SM2DJK Op32 *1779* km -24 dB F:1% in Umea (1) 22:45 136 G6AVK de PA7EY Op32 *1768* km -34 dB F:1% in Amsterdam (1) 2016-11-05 18:05 RK2Y *1658*km 137516.554Hz 4mHz -37.4dBOp 100% 21.0dB DF6NM (3) 2016-11-05 23:58 DC0DX 0.137569 -12 0 JO31lk 0.2 SM2DJK KP03au *1578* 24 (18) 2016-11-06 04:14 DC0DX 0.137528 -22 0 JO31lk 0.2 EW6BN KO45jl *1506* 64 (9) 02:18 136 R7NT de RA1ADF Op32 -31 dB F:45% (*1505* km) 137542.9 Hz (6) 2016-11-05 23:30 R7NT 0.137602 -18 0 KN97lf 200 UA4WPF LO66pu 1446 37 (33) 01:18 136 R7NT de UA4WPF Op32 *1445* km -24 dB F:8%_End in Izhevsk (10) 04:47 136 RK2Y de SM2DJK Op32 *1431* km -27 dB F:22%_End in Umea (2) 2016-11-05 16:40 IK1HSS 0.137452 -21 0 JN35tb 0.2 SV8RV KM07ks *1368* 122 (20) 2016-11-05 19:48 IK1HSS 0.137452 -25 0 JN35tb 0.2 G0LUJ/1 IO83ls *1235* 325 (8 ) 2016-11-05 20:56 2E0ILY 0.137550 -29 0 IO82qv 0.01 DJ0ABR JN68nt *1192* 106 (1) 2016-11-05 19:48 IK1HSS 0.137452 -23 0 JN35tb 0.2 M0DSZ IO82ls *1156* 322 (5) 2016-11-06 02:18 R7NT *1155*km 137542.087Hz 3mHz -41.0dBOp 95% 17.0dB EW6BN (5) 02:18 136 R7NT de EW6BN/6 Op32 *1154* km -40 dB F:18% in Polotsk 2040,6 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (5) 2016-11-05 19:56 IK1HSS 0.137452 -27 0 JN35tb 0.2 2E0ILY IO82qv *1146* 323 (1) 2016-11-05 19:40 IK1HSS 0.137452 -26 0 JN35tb 0.2 G3XKR IO70ux *1102* 311 (6) 2016-11-05 16:02 M0DSZ 0.137534 -28 0 IO82ls 0.1 DF6NM JN59nj *1056* 105 (1) 2016-11-05 20:44 IK1HSS 0.137453 -21 0 JN35tb 0.2 G8HUH IO81mg *1043* 315 (16) 2016-11-05 19:58 2E0ILY 0.137551 -16 0 IO82qv 0.01 DF6NM JN59nj *1033* 107 (6) 2016-11-05 21:48 2E0ILY *1033*km 137500.661Hz 145mHz -39.6dBOp 94% 21.0dB DF6NM (1) 20:18 136 R7NT de RV3APM Op32 *964* km -38 dB F:8% in Moscow 1542,4 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (2) 2016-11-05 21:52 IK1HSS 0.137459 -26 0 JN35tb 0.2 G8LCO IO91vu *950* 325 (5) 2016-11-05 21:15 R7NT 0.137601 -21 0 KN97lf 200 RN3AUS KO85fn *943* 350 (26) 2016-11-05 21:00 R7NT *943*km 137538.782Hz 10mHz -28.7dBOp 100% 19.7dB RN3AUS (14) 21:18 136 R7NT de RN3AUS Op32 -25 dB F:44% in KO85fn (*942* km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137540.2 Hz (6) 20:18 136 R7NT de RA3TGZ Op32 *908* km -21 dB F:8%_End in Sarov 1543,5 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (15) 2016-11-05 19:56 IK1HSS 0.137452 -25 0 JN35tb 0.2 G6AVK JO01ho *892* 327 (2) 2016-11-05 21:10 2E0ILY 0.137551 -20 0 IO82qv 0.01 DK7FC JN49ik *878* 111 (9) 2016-11-05 20:30 G8HUH 0.137422 -29 0 IO81mg 0.1 DK7FC JN49ik *851* 99 (1) 2016-11-05 15:57 G3XDV *843*km 137535.069Hz 9mHz -29.3dBOp 100% 21.9dB DF6NM (5) 2016-11-05 16:32 IK1HSS 0.137453 -19 0 JN35tb 0.2 PA7EY JO22jj *841* 347 (34) 2016-11-05 22:12 IK1HSS 0.137452 -26 0 JN35tb 0.2 PI4THT JO32kf *799* 356 (11) 2016-11-05 14:54 DC0DX 0.137469 -18 0 JO31lk 0.2 G3XKR IO70ux *785* 271 (27) 2016-11-05 22:45 G6AVK *781*km 137499.986Hz 3mHz -47.0dBOp 100% 17.3dB DF6NM (1) 2016-11-05 19:40 IK1HSS 0.137444 -28 -1 JN35tb 0.2 HAN JO21ww *775* 351 (1) 04:47 136 RK2Y de RA1ADF Op32 -38 dB F:24% (*765* km) 137516.3 Hz (1) 2016-11-05 13:48 DC0DX 0.137529 -7 0 JO31lk 0.2 G0LUJ/1 IO83ls *723* 295 (32) 2016-11-05 22:02 IK1HSS 0.137452 -17 0 JN35tb 0.2 DF2JP JO31hh *699* 354 (25) 2016-11-05 13:48 DC0DX 0.137529 -7 0 JO31lk 0.2 M0DSZ IO82ls *698* 286 (30) 2016-11-05 21:18 DC0DX 0.137470 -7 0 JO31lk 0.2 G8HUH IO81mg *688* 272 (5) 2016-11-05 20:06 G8HUH 0.137422 -22 0 IO81mg 0.1 PI4THT JO32kf *685* 77 (6) 2016-11-06 11:02 G3XDV *682*km 137535.071Hz 9mHz -27.0dBOp 77% 21.6dB DK7FC (2) 2016-11-06 00:30 DC0DX 0.137468 -18 0 JO31lk 0.2 2E0ILY IO82qv *673* 288 (13) 2016-11-05 16:02 M0DSZ 0.137533 -18 0 IO82ls 0.1 PI4THT JO32kf *673* 91 (2) 2016-11-05 21:10 2E0ILY 0.137550 -28 0 IO82qv 0.01 DC5AL-R JO31lk *673* 100 (4) 2016-11-05 20:56 2E0ILY 0.137550 -26 0 IO82qv 0.01 DL6OW-R JO31kk *667* 100 (5) 2016-11-05 20:50 G8HUH 0.137422 -20 0 IO81mg 0.1 DF2JP JO31hh *666* 86 (6) 2016-11-05 20:56 2E0ILY 0.137551 -9 0 IO82qv 0.01 DF2JP JO31hh *655* 102 (19) 2016-11-05 21:48 2E0ILY *655*km 137500.989Hz 128mHz -57.0dBOp 66% 17.8dB DF2JP (1) 2016-11-05 19:58 2E0ILY 0.137550 -10 0 IO82qv 0.01 PI4THT JO32kf *646* 93 (19) 2016-11-05 22:24 IK1HSS 0.137452 -17 0 JN35tb 0.2 F4HBT JN08qx *643* 315 (3) 2016-11-05 18:44 I5EFO *617*km 137497.859Hz 5mHz -46.0dBOp 100% 16.1dB DF6NM (1) 2016-11-05 20:50 G8HUH 0.137414 -23 0 IO81mg 0.1 HAN JO21ww *614* 80 (4) 20:40 136 RK2Y de RA3TGZ Op32 *614* km -28 dB F:1% in Sarov 1517,0 Hz (4) 2016-11-05 21:14 IK1HSS 0.137452 -20 0 JN35tb 0.2 DJ0ABR JN68nt *590* 43 (6) 2016-11-05 19:34 2E0ILY 0.137543 -13 0 IO82qv 0.01 HAN JO21ww *586* 97 (8 ) 2016-11-05 22:58 2E0ILY 0.137550 -20 0 IO82qv 0.01 F4GUK JN18gt *581* 139 (6) 2016-11-05 22:50 IK1HSS 0.137452 -21 0 JN35tb 0.2 F4GUK JN18gt *568* 319 (13) 2016-11-05 19:56 IK1HSS 0.137452 -9 0 JN35tb 0.2 DF6NM JN59nj *549* 27 (42) 2016-11-05 20:06 G8HUH 0.137423 -16 0 IO81mg 0.1 PA7EY JO22jj *547* 74 (6) 2016-11-06 07:26 DC0DX 0.137529 -17 0 JO31lk 0.2 M0XDK IO92ne *545* 282 (22) 18:05 136 RK2Y de US5EKL Op32 -36 dB F:26% in KN78MJ (*544* km) Dnipro + Dipol160 137518.9 Hz (1) 2016-11-05 15:58 M0DSZ 0.137535 -14 0 IO82ls 0.1 PA7EY JO22jj *531* 91 (2) 2016-11-05 21:18 DC0DX 0.137469 -22 0 JO31lk 0.2 DJ0ABR JN68nt *527* 121 (1) 2016-11-05 12:00 G0MJI 0.137473 -26 0 IO83ni 0.01 PA7EY JO22jj *525* 99 (9) 2016-11-05 22:58 2E0ILY 0.137551 -15 0 IO82qv 0.01 F4HBT JN08qx *518* 146 (3) 2016-11-05 20:18 2E0ILY 0.137552 -5 0 IO82qv 0.01 PA7EY JO22jj *503* 93 (19) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de PA7EY Op32 *502* km -16 dB End in Amsterdam (1) 2016-11-05 21:14 IK1HSS 0.137452 -15 0 JN35tb 0.2 DK7FC JN49ik *493* 9 (20) 2016-11-05 17:30 R7NT 0.137602 -20 0 KN97lf 200 UT7GH KN66hq *484* 265 (7) 18:18 136 R7NT de UT7GH Op32 *484* km -27 dB F:17% in Kherson 1542.1 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (4) 2016-11-06 07:58 DC0DX 0.137569 -7 0 JO31lk 0.2 F4HBT JN08qx *482* 238 (17) 2016-11-05 22:00 G8HUH 0.137422 -23 0 IO81mg 0.1 F4GUK JN18gt *478* 123 (2) 2016-11-05 17:16 G3XDV *475*km 137535.377Hz 8mHz -22.0dBOp 60% 19.2dB DF2JP (3) 2016-11-05 14:34 RK2Y *432*km 137516.604Hz 12mHz -35.8dBOp 93% 19.0dB EW6BN (5) 14:34 136 RK2Y de EW6BN/6 Op32 *432* km -29 dB F:0% in Polotsk 2015,1 Hz (4) 19:09 136 RK2Y de RV3APM Op32 Deep Search *352* km -43 dB in Moscow 1515,9 Hz (1) 11:02 136 G3XDV de PA7EY Op32 *347* km -2 dB F:8%_End in Amsterdam (3) 18:18 136 R7NT de US5EKL Op32 -31 dB F:46% in KN78MJ (*319* km) Dnipro + Dipol160 137544.4 Hz (1) 22:45 136 G6AVK de PA7EY Op32 *298* km -34 dB End in Amsterdam (1) 2016-11-05 20:23 RK2Y *291*km 137512.307Hz 3mHz -21.2dBOp 54% 19.0dB RN3AUS (5) 19:04 136 RK2Y de RN3AUS Op32 -25 dB F:0% in KO85fn (*290* km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137513.8 Hz (2) 22:45 136 G6AVK de M0DSZ Op32 *281* km -34 dB F:6% in NW Shropshire 1500.2 Hz with 80w + 11m x 21m base loaded Inverted L (1) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de G6AVK Op32 *264* km -12 dB F:5% in Essex, JO01ho 1500.7 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (1) 17:16 136 G3XDV de M0DSZ Op32 *220* km -5 dB F:0% in NW Shropshire 1535.3 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (3) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de G3XDV Op32 *203* km -4 dB F:0% in Welwyn with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (1) 15:57 136 G3XDV de 2E0ILY Op32 *203* km -15 dB F:0% in Whitchurch, Shropshire 1535.0 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2) 22:45 136 G6AVK de G3XDV Op32 *62* km -14 dB F:0% in Welwyn with 80w + 11m x 21m base loaded Inverted L (1) 21:48 136 2E0ILY de M0DSZ Op32 *31* km +6 dB F:0% in NW Shropshire 1500.9 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX, Mini Whip RX (1) *WSPR15:* TX-1 RX-10 *WSPR2 >450km:* TX-7 RX-24 *OP32:* TX-7 RX-15 RXds-7 (n) - it's the total number of the reports - it's the best result of the reports - it's the first result over time with the same levels EsLoop + 200W Output 73! 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Nov 5-6 Best QRB/reports WSPR15 /=C2=A0WSPR2 >450km=C2=A0/=C2=A0=C2=A0OP32=C2=A0/=C2=A0OPds32=C2=A0:
2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA= =C2=A0 =C2=A04563km 137477.000Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -35.4dBO= p=C2=A0 92% 19.1dB DF6NM (7)
2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA=C2= =A0 =C2=A04421km 137477.000Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -37.8dBOp= =C2=A0 97% 19.8dB DK7FC (6)
2016-11-05 23:15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UA0SNV =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 OO18jb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A04294=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 50 (18)
2016-11-05 23:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= 4294km 137541.946Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A04mHz -38.5dBOp 100% 19.5dB= UA0SNV (10)
2016-11-06 06:29 VO1NA=C2=A0 =C2=A04189
km 137477.188Hz=C2=A0 14mHz -36.0dBOp=C2=A0 97% 16.5dB DF2JP = (1)
06:31=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 VO1NA de PA7EY Op32=C2=A04040=C2=A0km -40 dB F:8% in Amsterdam (1)
06:31= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 VO1NA de G3XDV Op32=C2=A03730=C2=A0km -3= 6 dB F:7% in Welwyn (2)
21:53=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de U= A4WPF Op32 Deep Search=C2=A03502=C2=A0km -40 dB in Izhevsk= (1)
2016-11-05 19:15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137603 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -34 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A03033=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 294 (2)19:21=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de RA3TGZ Op32 Deep Search=C2=A02857=C2=A0km -43 dB in Sarov 1536,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1)=
18:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de G3XDV Op32=C2=A028= 35=C2=A0km -38 dB F:11% in Welwyn with 200w + EsLoop (3)2016-11-05 21:31 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A02523km 13749= 7.406Hz 119mHz -45.0dBOp=C2=A0 97% 18.5dB RN3AUS (1)
21:49= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de RN3AUS Op32 -37 dB F:14% in KO85fn (252= 3=C2=A0km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137498.9 Hz (1)
2016-11-05 16:15 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137427 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 2493=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 296 (11)
20:18=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 136 R7NT de PA7EY Op32=C2=A02492=C2=A0km -31 dB F:9= %_End in Amsterdam (7)
2016-11-06 11:06 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 WE2XPQ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137579 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -19 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 BP51ip =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 W7IUV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DN07dg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02455=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 117 (14)
2016-11-05 20:4= 8 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A02421km 137531.815Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -= 36.8dBOp 100% 20.3dB RN3AUS (3)
21:06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3X= DV de RN3AUS Op32 -39 dB F:49% in KO85fn (2420=C2=A0km) nr= Moscow + MiniWhip 137533.2 Hz (1)
2016-11-06 00:15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137603 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF2JP =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31hh =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02369=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 293 (9)
2016-11-06 00:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A02369km 137542.303Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -37.9dBOp=C2=A0= 82% 17.6dB DF2JP (2)
2016-11-05 20:44 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137450 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R= N3AUS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO85fn =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02332=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 50 (4)
2016-11-05 17:16 G3XD= V=C2=A0 =C2=A02266km 137534.892Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A04mHz -44.7dB= Op 100% 18.6dB SV8RV (2)
17:21=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de S= V8RV Op32 Deep Search=C2=A02265=C2=A0km -41 dB in Zakyntho= s(Zante) isl.GREECE 1534,9 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1)
17:21=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 136 G3XDV de SV8RV-12 Op32 Deep Search=C2=A02265=C2=A0= km -41 dB in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1535,3 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (1= )

2016-11-05 21:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A02234<= /strong>km 137542.035Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A02mHz -41.7dBOp=C2=A0 90% 19.7dB DK7FC (= 5)
2016-11-05 22:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM2DJK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP03au =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02180=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 335 (15)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px;line-height:17.472px">23:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SM2DJK Op32=C2=A02179=C2=A0km -31 dB F:8%_End in Umea (6)
2016-11-05 20:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF6NM= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN59nj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02060=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 287 (11)

2016-11-05 17:18 R7NT=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A02060km 137542.036Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A04mHz -37.9dBO= p=C2=A0 97% 20.4dB DF6NM (12)
2016-11-05 20:36 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -27 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 EW6BN =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO45jl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A02= 046=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 69 (3)
2016-11-05 = 21:48 2E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A02046km 137500.720Hz 140mHz -43.6dB= Op=C2=A0 67% 19.1dB EW6BN (1)
21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0IL= Y de EW6BN/6 Op32=C2=A02045=C2=A0km -29 dB F:1% in Polotsk= 1999,1 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (1)
19:09=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de PA7EY Op32 Deep Search=C2=A019= 69=C2=A0km -42 dB End in Amsterdam (1)
2016-11-0= 5 22:40 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137422 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -28 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM2DJK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP03au =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A01939=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 35 (3)
2016-11-05 21:06 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A01939km 137535.1= 21Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A07mHz -40.7dBOp=C2=A0 87% 18.6dB EW6BN (3)
21:06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de EW6BN/6 Op32=C2=A01938= =C2=A0km -33 dB F:2% in Polotsk 2033,6 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2)2016-11-05= 18:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -28 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2= 00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SV8RV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A01811=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 241 (14)
2016-11-05 18:30 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137603 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 SV8RV-12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 1811=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 241 (14)
2016-11-05 = 22:18 R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01811km 137541.860Hz=C2=A0 =C2= =A02mHz -38.6dBOp 100% 19.4dB SV8RV (11)
19:18=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV Op32=C2=A01809=C2=A0km -35 dB F:25% = in Zakynthos(Zante) isl.GREECE 1541,8 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (10)
22:18= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-10 Op32=C2=A01809=C2=A0km = -38 dB F:8% in Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE 1542,2 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (8= )
19:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de SV8RV-12 Op32 1809 km -33 dB F:18% in = Zakynthos(Zante) isl. GREECE with 200w + EsLoop (12)

21:06= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de SM2DJK Op32=C2=A01781=C2=A0km -= 31 dB F:3% in Umea (2)
2016-11-05 22:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -14 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 SM2DJK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP03au =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01780=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 38 (10)
21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0= 136 2E0ILY de SM2DJK Op32=C2=A01779=C2=A0km -24 dB F:1% i= n Umea (1)
22:45=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G6AVK de PA7EY Op32=C2= =A01768=C2=A0km -34 dB F:1% in Amsterdam (1)
2016-11-05 18:05 RK2Y=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01658km 137= 516.554Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A04mHz -37.4dBOp 100% 21.0dB DF6NM (3)
2016-11-05 23:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137569 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SM2DJK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KP03au =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01578=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 24 (18)<= /span>
2016-11-06 04:14 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.137528 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -22 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EW6BN =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = KO45jl =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01506=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 64 (9)
02:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RA1ADF Op32 -31 = dB F:45% (1505=C2=A0km) 137542.9 Hz (6)
2016-11-05 23:30 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -18 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 UA4WPF =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LO66pu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1446 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 37 (33)
01:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de UA4= WPF Op32=C2=A01445=C2=A0km -24 dB F:8%_End in Izhevsk (10)=
04:47=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de SM2DJK Op32=C2=A01= 431=C2=A0km -27 dB F:22%_End in Umea (2)
2016-11= -05 16:40 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SV8RV =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KM07ks =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A01368=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 122 (20)2016-11-05 19:48 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1= 37452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -25 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G0LUJ/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO83l= s =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01235=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 325= (8 )
2016-11-05 20:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -29 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DJ0ABR =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 JN68nt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01192=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 106 (1)
2016-11-05 19:48 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 M0DSZ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01156=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 322 (5)
2016-11-06 02:18= R7NT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A01155km 137542.087Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03m= Hz -41.0dBOp=C2=A0 95% 17.0dB EW6BN (5)
02:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0= 136 R7NT de EW6BN/6 Op32=C2=A01154=C2=A0km -40 dB F:18% i= n Polotsk 2040,6 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (5)
2016-11-05 19:= 56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= -27 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A01146=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 323 (1)
= 2016-11-05 19:40 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G3XKR =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO70ux =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01102=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 311 (6)
2016-11-05 16:02 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M0DSZ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0.137534 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -28 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO= 82ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF6NM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN5= 9nj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01056=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1= 05 (1)

2016-11-05 20:44 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137453 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01043=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 315 (16)
2016-11-05 19:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = DF6NM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN59nj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01033=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 107 (6)
2016-11-05 21:48 2= E0ILY=C2=A0=C2=A01033km 137500.661Hz 145mHz -39.6dBOp=C2= =A0 94% 21.0dB DF6NM (1)
20:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RV= 3APM Op32=C2=A0964=C2=A0km -38 dB F:8% in Moscow 1542,4 Hz= with 200w + EsLoop (2)
2016-11-05 21:52 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137459 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 G8LCO =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO91vu =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0950=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 325 (5)
2016-11-05 21:15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7N= T =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137601 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RN3AUS = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KO85fn =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0943=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 350 (26)
2016-11-05 21:00 R7NT=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0943km 137538.782Hz=C2=A0 10mHz -28.7dBOp 100%= 19.7dB RN3AUS (14)
21:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RN3AUS = Op32 -25 dB F:44% in KO85fn (942=C2=A0km) nr Moscow + Mini= Whip 137540.2 Hz (6)
20:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de RA3TGZ= Op32=C2=A0908=C2=A0km -21 dB F:8%_End in Sarov 1543,5 Hz = with 200w + EsLoop (15)
2016-11-05 19:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -25 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 G6AVK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO01ho =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0892=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 327 (2)
2016-11-05 21:10 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -2= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 878=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 111 (9)
2016= -11-05 20:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137422 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 -29 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0851=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 99 (1)
2016-11-05 15:57 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0843km 13= 7535.069Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A09mHz -29.3dBOp 100% 21.9dB DF6NM (5)
2016-11-05 16:32 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137453 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -19 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0841=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 347 (34)<= /span>
2016-11-05 22:12 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PI4THT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 JO32kf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0799=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 356 (11)
2016-11-05 14:54 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137469 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -18 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G3XKR = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO70ux =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0785=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 271 (27)
2016-11-05 22:45 G6AVK= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0781km 137499.986Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -47= .0dBOp 100% 17.3dB DF6NM (1)
2016-11-05 19:40 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137444 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -28 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 -1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 HAN =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO21ww =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0775= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 351 (1)
04:47=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 136 RK2Y de RA1ADF Op32 -38 dB F:24% (765=C2=A0km) 137= 516.3 Hz (1)
2016-11-05 13:48 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137529 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -7 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G0LUJ/1 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO83ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0723=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 295 (32)
2016-11-05 22:02 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 DF2JP =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31hh =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A06= 99=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 354 (25)
2016-11-05 1= 3:48 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137529 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -7 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.= 2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M0DSZ =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0698=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 286 (30)
= 2016-11-05 21:18 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137470 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -7 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0688=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 272 (5)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px;line-height:17.472px">2016-11-05 20:06 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1= 37422 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -22 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PI4THT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO32kf= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0685=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77 (6= )
2016-11-06 11:02 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0682<= /strong>km 137535.071Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A09mHz -27.0dBOp=C2=A0 77% 21.6dB DK7FC (= 2)
2016-11-06 00:30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137468 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -18 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0673=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 288 (13)
2016-11-05 16:02 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M0DSZ= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137533 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -18 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PI4THT = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO32kf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0673=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 91 (2)
2016-11-05 21:10 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -28 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 DC5AL-R =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0673
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 (4)

2016-11-05 = 20:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0= .01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DL6OW-R =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31kk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0667=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 100 (5)
2016-11-05 20:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137422 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF2JP =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31hh =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0666=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 86 (6)
<= span class=3D"gmail-bbc_color" style=3D"font-size:12.48px;line-height:17.47= 2px;color:blue">2016-11-05 20:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -9 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF2JP =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = JO31hh =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0655=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 102 (19)

2016-11-05 21:48 2E0ILY=C2=A0 =C2=A06= 55km 137500.989Hz 128mHz -57.0dBOp=C2=A0 66% 17.8dB DF2JP (1)
2016-11-05 19:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -10 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO= 82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PI4THT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 J= O32kf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0646=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 93 (19)

2016-11-05 22:24 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4HBT =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 JN08qx =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0643=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 315 (3)
2016-11-05 18:44 I5EFO=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0617km 137497.859Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A05mHz -46.0dBOp 100= % 16.1dB DF6NM (1)
2016-11-05 20:50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8= HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137414 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HAN = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO21ww =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0614=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 80 (4)
20:40=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y d= e RA3TGZ Op32=C2=A0614=C2=A0km -28 dB F:1% in Sarov 1517,0= Hz (4)
2016-11-05 21:14 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DJ0ABR =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 JN68nt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0590=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 43 (6)
2016-11-05 19:34 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2= E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137543 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -13 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HAN= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO21ww =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0586=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 97 (8 )
2016-11-05 22:58 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137550 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -20 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 F4GUK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN18gt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A05= 81=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 139 (6)
2016-11-05 22= :50 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 -21 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0= .2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4GUK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN18gt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0568=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 319 (13)
= 2016-11-05 19:56 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -9 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DF6NM =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN59nj =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0549=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 27 (42)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px;line-height:17.472px">2016-11-05 20:06 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1= 37423 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -16 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO81mg= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0547=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 74 (6)=
2016-11-06 07:26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.137529 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -17 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M0XDK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 IO92ne =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0545=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 282 (22)
18:05=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de US5EKL Op32= -36 dB F:26% in KN78MJ (544=C2=A0km) Dnipro + Dipol160 13= 7518.9 Hz (1)
2016-11-05 15:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M0DSZ = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137535 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -14 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82ls =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0531=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 91 (2)
2016-11-05 21:18 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137469 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -22 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 DJ0ABR =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN68nt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0527= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 121 (1)
2016-11-05 12:0= 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G0MJI =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137473 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -= 26 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO83ni =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 525=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 99 (9)
2016-= 11-05 22:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137551 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 -15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4HBT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN08qx =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0518=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 146 (3)
2016-11-05 20:18 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2E0ILY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137= 552 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -5 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO82qv = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.01 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PA7EY =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO22jj = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0503=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 93 (19= )
21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de PA7EY Op32=C2=A0502
=C2=A0km -16 dB End in Amsterdam (1)

2016-11= -05 21:14 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IK1HSS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137452 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 -15 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN35tb =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DK7FC =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN49ik =C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0493=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 9 (20)
2016-11-05 17= :30 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R7NT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137602 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = -20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN97lf =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 200 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 UT7GH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 KN66hq =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 484=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 265 (7)
18:18=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de UT7GH Op32=C2=A0484=C2=A0km -27 dB = F:17% in Kherson 1542.1 Hz with 200w + EsLoop (4)
=C2=A02016-11-06 07:58 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DC0DX =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.137569 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -7 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JO31lk =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 0.2 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4HBT =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN08qx =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0482=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 238 (17)
2016-11-05 22:00 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 G8HUH =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= 0.137422 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -23 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 IO= 81mg =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0.1 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F4GUK =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JN1= 8gt =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0478=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 12= 3 (2)

2016-11-05 17:16 G3XDV=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0= 475km 137535.377Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A08mHz -22.0dBOp=C2=A0 60% 19.2dB DF2= JP (3)
2016-11-05 14:34 RK2Y=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0432km 137516.604Hz=C2=A0 12mHz -35.8dBOp=C2=A0 93% 19.0dB EW6BN (= 5)
14:34=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de EW6BN/6 Op32=C2=A0432=C2=A0km -29 dB F:0% in Polotsk 2015,1 Hz (4)
19:09=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de RV3APM Op32 Deep Search=C2=A0352=C2=A0km -43 dB in Moscow 1515,9 Hz (1)
11:02=C2=A0= =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de PA7EY Op32=C2=A0347=C2=A0km -2 dB F:8= %_End in Amsterdam (3)
18:18=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 R7NT de US5E= KL Op32 -31 dB F:46% in KN78MJ (319=C2=A0km) Dnipro + Dipo= l160 137544.4 Hz (1)
22:45=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G6AVK de PA7EY= Op32=C2=A0298=C2=A0km -34 dB End in Amsterdam (1)<= br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.48px;line-height:17.472px">2016-11-05 20:23 RK2Y=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0291k= m 137512.307Hz=C2=A0 =C2=A03mHz -21.2dBOp=C2=A0 54% 19.0dB RN3AUS (5)
19:04=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 RK2Y de RN3AUS Op32 -25 dB F:0% in KO85f= n (290=C2=A0km) nr Moscow + MiniWhip 137513.8 Hz (2)
22:45=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G6AVK de M0DSZ Op32=C2=A0281=C2=A0km -34 dB F:6% in NW Shropshire 1500.2 Hz with 80w + 11m x 21m b= ase loaded Inverted L (1)

21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de= G6AVK Op32=C2=A0264=C2=A0km -12 dB F:5% in Essex, JO01ho = 1500.7 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip RX (1)
17:16=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de M0DSZ Op32=C2=A0220= =C2=A0km -5 dB F:0% in NW Shropshire 1535.3 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (3)
21:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de G3XDV Op32=C2=A0203<= /strong>=C2=A0km -4 dB F:0% in Welwyn with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 M= ini Whip RX (1)

15:57=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G3XDV de 2E0ILY Op3= 2=C2=A0203=C2=A0km -15 dB F:0% in Whitchurch, Shropshire 1= 535.0 Hz with ERP0.4w + inv-L (2)
22:45=C2=A0 =C2=A0 136 G= 6AVK de G3XDV Op32=C2=A062=C2=A0km -14 dB F:0% in Welwyn w= ith 80w + 11m x 21m base loaded Inverted L (1)
21:48=C2=A0= =C2=A0 136 2E0ILY de M0DSZ Op32=C2=A031=C2=A0km +6 dB F:0= % in NW Shropshire 1500.9 Hz with 0.1w + Marconi T for TX,=C2=A0 Mini Whip = RX (1)
=C2=A0WSPR15:=C2=A0 TX-1=C2=A0 RX-10
WSPR2 >450km:
=C2=A0TX-7 RX-24

OP3= 2:=C2=A0 TX-7 RX-15=C2=A0RXds-7
(n) - it's the total number of the reports -= it's the best result of the reports - it's the first result over t= ime with the same levels
Es= Loop + 200W Output
73! Alex R7NT =C2=A0136.73.ru
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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 6662 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9410 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050902080607010502050500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex, Do you also run a VLF grabber there? Or would it be possible? One day i would like to try a test on VLF using a carrier and/or EbNaut. And i think you are the man to ask about that. Is there any interest? 73, Stefan Am 06.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF, Mike. > On the website of my grabber http://rn3aus.136.su/grabber.html it is > possible to see screenshots of the signals decoded at the moment also. > The archive of decodes (Op32Rx software) and opds is also available. > Perhaps, it will be interesting that the grabber is completely > automatic. Computer, receiver, power supply system and recharge of the > accumulator, heating system and control system - all this is > established in an uninhabited lodge (shower cabin) on my seasonal > dacha. In the winter nobody lives in radius of several kilometers, > only the grabber "listens" to air and upload spots and decodes by the > 3G-modem. I can also operate the grabber remotely. So when you receive > decodes from my grabber, imagine the snowy forest and a small dark and > cold lodge where day and night the grabber automatic machine works... :) > 73 de rn3aus/Alex > > Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 17:07 +03:00 от "Mike Dennison" > : > > The good condtions to Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on > 137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My transmissions > were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS (2420km) at > 2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF > (3503km) at 2153. > > Mike, G3XDV > ============ > > > Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East > chain > > (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk > > (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite > > rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable > > > > American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air > > regularly since Sep 21st. > > > > On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off > > air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running > only > > "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for > > navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details > about the > > outage? > > > > Best 73, > > Markus (DF6NM) > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release Date: > > 11/06/16 > > > > --------------050902080607010502050500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex,

Do you also run a VLF grabber there? Or would it be possible?
One day i would like to try a test on VLF using a carrier and/or EbNaut. And i think you are the man to ask about that. Is there any interest?

73, Stefan

Am 06.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Alex K:
Hello LF, Mike.
On the website of my grabber http://rn3aus.136.su/grabber.html  it is possible to see screenshots of the signals decoded at the moment also. The archive of decodes (Op32Rx software) and opds is also available. Perhaps, it will be interesting that the grabber is completely automatic. Computer, receiver, power supply system and recharge of the accumulator, heating system and control system - all this is established in an uninhabited lodge (shower cabin) on my seasonal dacha. In the winter nobody lives in radius of several kilometers, only the grabber "listens" to air and upload spots and decodes by the 3G-modem. I can also operate the grabber remotely. So when you receive decodes from my grabber, imagine the snowy forest and a small dark and cold lodge where day and night the grabber automatic machine works... :)
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 17:07 +03:00 от "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>:

The good condtions to Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on
137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My transmissions
were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS (2420km) at
2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF
(3503km) at 2153.

Mike, G3XDV
============
 
> Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East chain
> (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk
> (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite
> rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable
>
> American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air
> regularly since Sep 21st.
>
> On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off
> air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running only
> "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for
> navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about the
> outage?
>
> Best 73,
> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release Date:
> 11/06/16




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<15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> <1478454926.206391990@f319.i.mail.ru> <581F7078.4080005@posteo.de> <1478456049.979585980@f320.i.mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <1478456049.979585980@f320.i.mail.ru> X-Scan-Signature: d2a449809c9c1ff1983612d049372878 Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: LF: Re[2]: LF: Loran and Alpha Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030900010309080807010801" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 10117 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9412 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030900010309080807010801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex, Thanks so far. Is there no chance to put a second soundcard to the USB of the PC so you can run two grabbers? Would the internet connection allow such a data rate? I think it would be a better solution, and more challenging! Reaching such a distance is not unrealsitic. Maybe you could even install a RX loop pointing to NE/SW. Next, do you know how to set up a spectrogram in SpecLab using something like 10 uHz FFT bin width and a suitable reference signal? Leaving a trace on your side is not easy, we may need several attempts, so it may become to much effort if you have to go the the second location each time... 73, Stefan Am 06.11.2016 19:14, schrieb Alex K: > Hello Stefan! > The computer of the grabber has only one sound card on which the > signal from the LF receiver is given. Therefore in the nearest future > I won't manage to adjust also VLF reception on the grabber. However, I > have one more reception position where there is a VLF receiver (but no > internet :( ). I could try to accept your VLF carrier if I will know > the moment of the beginning of transfer in one-two days that to adjust > everything. > > > Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 21:03 +03:00 от DK7FC > : > > Hi Alex, > > Do you also run a VLF grabber there? Or would it be possible? > One day i would like to try a test on VLF using a carrier and/or > EbNaut. And i think you are the man to ask about that. Is there > any interest? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 06.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Alex K: >> Hello LF, Mike. >> On the website of my grabber http://rn3aus.136.su/grabber.html >> it is possible to see screenshots of the signals decoded at the >> moment also. The archive of decodes (Op32Rx software) and opds is >> also available. Perhaps, it will be interesting that the grabber >> is completely automatic. Computer, receiver, power supply system >> and recharge of the accumulator, heating system and control >> system - all this is established in an uninhabited lodge (shower >> cabin) on my seasonal dacha. In the winter nobody lives in radius >> of several kilometers, only the grabber "listens" to air and >> upload spots and decodes by the 3G-modem. I can also operate the >> grabber remotely. So when you receive decodes from my grabber, >> imagine the snowy forest and a small dark and cold lodge where >> day and night the grabber automatic machine works... :) >> 73 de rn3aus/Alex >> >> Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 17:07 +03:00 от "Mike Dennison" >> : >> >> The good condtions to Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on >> 137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My >> transmissions >> were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS >> (2420km) at >> 2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF >> (3503km) at 2153. >> >> Mike, G3XDV >> ============ >> >> > Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian >> Far-East chain >> > (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk >> > (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which >> is quite >> > rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be >> favourable >> > >> > American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has >> been on air >> > regularly since Sep 21st. >> > >> > On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently >> been off >> > air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is >> running only >> > "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be >> unusable for >> > navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details >> about the >> > outage? >> > >> > Best 73, >> > Markus (DF6NM) >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release >> Date: >> > 11/06/16 >> >> >> >> > --------------030900010309080807010801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex,

Thanks so far. Is there no chance to put a second soundcard to the USB of the PC so you can run two grabbers? Would the internet connection allow such a data rate? I think it would be a better solution, and more challenging! Reaching such a distance is not unrealsitic. Maybe you could even install a RX loop pointing to NE/SW.
Next, do you know how to set up a spectrogram in SpecLab using something like 10 uHz FFT bin width and a suitable reference signal? Leaving a trace on your side is not easy, we may need several attempts, so it may become to much effort if you have to go the the second location each time...

73, Stefan

Am 06.11.2016 19:14, schrieb Alex K:
Hello Stefan!
The computer of the grabber has only one sound card on which the signal from the LF receiver is given. Therefore in the nearest future I won't manage to adjust also VLF reception on the grabber. However, I have one more reception position where there is a VLF receiver (but no internet :( ). I could try to accept your VLF carrier if I will know the moment of the beginning of transfer in one-two days that to adjust everything.


Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 21:03 +03:00 от DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>:

Hi Alex,

Do you also run a VLF grabber there? Or would it be possible?
One day i would like to try a test on VLF using a carrier and/or EbNaut. And i think you are the man to ask about that. Is there any interest?

73, Stefan

Am 06.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Alex K:
Hello LF, Mike.
On the website of my grabber http://rn3aus.136.su/grabber.html  it is possible to see screenshots of the signals decoded at the moment also. The archive of decodes (Op32Rx software) and opds is also available. Perhaps, it will be interesting that the grabber is completely automatic. Computer, receiver, power supply system and recharge of the accumulator, heating system and control system - all this is established in an uninhabited lodge (shower cabin) on my seasonal dacha. In the winter nobody lives in radius of several kilometers, only the grabber "listens" to air and upload spots and decodes by the 3G-modem. I can also operate the grabber remotely. So when you receive decodes from my grabber, imagine the snowy forest and a small dark and cold lodge where day and night the grabber automatic machine works... :)
73 de rn3aus/Alex

Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 17:07 +03:00 от "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>:

The good condtions to Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on
137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My transmissions
were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS (2420km) at
2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF
(3503km) at 2153.

Mike, G3XDV
============
 
> Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East chain
> (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk
> (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is quite
> rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be favourable
>
> American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on air
> regularly since Sep 21st.
>
> On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off
> air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running only
> "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for
> navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about the
> outage?
>
> Best 73,
> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release Date:
> 11/06/16





--------------030900010309080807010801-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 20:08:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6J880f006174 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:08:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sje-00069G-9y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:04:06 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sjd-000697-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:04:05 +0000 Received: from gmy2-mh809.smtproutes.com ([94.186.192.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Sjb-0008L5-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:04:04 +0000 X-Katharion-ID: 1478459026.77876.gmy2-mh809 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.es ([87.216.178.132]) by gmy2-mh809.smtproutes.com [(94.186.192.138)] with ESMTP via TCP (TLSv1/TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA); 06 Nov 2016 19:03:46 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:03:41 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: ZS6KN Thread-Index: AQHSOE3Vz+YuyCRhv0OKywsGPQ1RdaDMTi+c Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:03:40 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846CE4@servigilant.vigilant.local> References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org>,<581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local>,<581F5DCB.6030206@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: <581F5DCB.6030206@posteo.de> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [95.17.61.163] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 2e2f7cbbe9f38dd7bf3fac4fc012e6fc Subject: LF: Re: ZS6KN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA6J880f006174 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9413 Hi Stefan, MF Yes, I'm exchanging some emails with Ken. He has just sent a screendump showing his WSPR waterfall and is quite clear that he has a lot of noise in MF He is changing band on every period, so in MF he is just sampling periods at random intervals. Very low chances to get a decode, I'm afraid :-( 73 de Luis EA5DOM Hi Luis, Interesting. Are you in contact with him? Do you know more details? How does he use the dipole? As a short dipole or as a T-antenne against a clean (separate, not the house) earth? Any band limiting components? In the WSPR database i can see he got decodes down to the 80m band in the last 2 weeks. So it works basically. In this moment, the grey line is crossing his location and he appears on the map. VK stations should have a much better chance i assume. But nothing so far. Maybe he is even reading the reflector? :-) 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 20:14:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6JEm2a006189 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:14:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sr5-0006G6-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:11:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sr4-0006Fx-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:11:46 +0000 Received: from gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com ([94.186.192.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Sr1-0008OI-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:11:45 +0000 X-Katharion-ID: 1478459493.57028.gmy2-mh804 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.es ([87.216.178.132]) by gmy2-mh804.smtproutes.com [(94.186.192.133)] with ESMTP via TCP (TLSv1/TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA); 06 Nov 2016 19:11:33 +0000 Received: from servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448]) by servigilant.vigilant.local ([fe80::c40d:8140:d722:5448%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:11:28 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?VIGILANT_Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: ZS6KN Thread-Index: AQHSOE3Vz+YuyCRhv0OKywsGPQ1RdaDMTi+cgAADqIg= Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846D15@servigilant.vigilant.local> References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org>,<581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local>,<581F5DCB.6030206@posteo.de>,<579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846CE4@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846CE4@servigilant.vigilant.local> Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [95.17.61.163] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: LF: Re: ZS6KN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA6JEm2a006189 Content-Length: 1212 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9414 Ooops ! As usual ....forgot to add the screenshot Find it here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7162072/Docs/Ken%20ZS6KN%20WSPR%20monitor.png 73 de Luis EA5DOM _______________________________________ De: VIGILANT Luis Fernndez Enviado: domingo, 6 de noviembre de 2016 20:03 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: ZS6KN Hi Stefan, MF Yes, I'm exchanging some emails with Ken. He has just sent a screendump showing his WSPR waterfall and is quite clear that he has a lot of noise in MF He is changing band on every period, so in MF he is just sampling periods at random intervals. Very low chances to get a decode, I'm afraid :-( 73 de Luis EA5DOM Hi Luis, Interesting. Are you in contact with him? Do you know more details? How does he use the dipole? As a short dipole or as a T-antenne against a clean (separate, not the house) earth? Any band limiting components? In the WSPR database i can see he got decodes down to the 80m band in the last 2 weeks. So it works basically. In this moment, the grey line is crossing his location and he appears on the map. VK stations should have a much better chance i assume. But nothing so far. Maybe he is even reading the reflector? :-) 73, Stefan From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 20:18:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6JIkUh006199 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:18:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sv1-0006MH-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:15:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Sv0-0006M8-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:15:50 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Sux-0008Ry-NR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:15:49 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 244D820A7B for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:15:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tBlf96Pr1z106S for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581F8161.7080200@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:15:45 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org>,<581E0871.3080902@posteo.de> <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D84670F@servigilant.vigilant.local>,<581F5DCB.6030206@posteo.de> <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846CE4@servigilant.vigilant.local> In-Reply-To: <579355A36AEE9D4FA555C45D556003AB5D846CE4@servigilant.vigilant.local> X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: Re: LF: Re: ZS6KN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1347 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9415 Hi Luis, OK, so 630m is not his priority. And then he probably didn't optimise his system for 630m, he's just there because the RX covers the band (?) I think it is unlikely to get a decode then. But the situation may change if he sees that FR5ZX is getting decodes ;-) FR5ZX isn't there this evening however :-/ Anyway, we'll see what's possible... 73, Stefan Am 06.11.2016 20:03, schrieb VIGILANT Luis Fernndez: > Hi Stefan, MF > > Yes, I'm exchanging some emails with Ken. He has just sent a screendump showing > his WSPR waterfall and is quite clear that he has a lot of noise in MF > He is changing band on every period, so in MF he is just sampling periods > at random intervals. Very low chances to get a decode, I'm afraid :-( > > 73 de Luis > EA5DOM > > Hi Luis, > > Interesting. Are you in contact with him? Do you know more details? How > does he use the dipole? As a short dipole or as a T-antenne against a > clean (separate, not the house) earth? Any band limiting components? > In the WSPR database i can see he got decodes down to the 80m band in > the last 2 weeks. So it works basically. > In this moment, the grey line is crossing his location and he appears on > the map. VK stations should have a much better chance i assume. But > nothing so far. > Maybe he is even reading the reflector? :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 21:15:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64,SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE, SUBJECT_EXCESS_BASE64 autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6KFroD006295 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 21:15:54 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Tn9-0006Wr-1E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:11:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Tn8-0006Wi-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:11:46 +0000 Received: from f264.i.mail.ru ([94.100.179.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Tn3-0000Dw-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:11:45 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=mail.ru Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail2; h=References:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-ID:Reply-To:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=gkp4EdiY68YEFVUfbuZCz2btI8QmG6YFfsRbT6XWIfQ=; b=pwn4PTR3IFGdFCBXDFyhrhhW+qu/49rg6Dwq97LC6sXqTVRw0c3o37iOtcg12O8CFW1IIrk6bLgyNpvhxph0HFDjGof1R7Y33FAmmr2l/TY/vmZTz+QnbGBrHu7X6Dnw6BjDFDdgAeOO93NUU0RdfylR6L706Eb2XWgG9qNvvUA=; Received: from [109.252.90.4] (ident=mail) by f264.i.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1c3Tn0-0005pi-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 23:11:39 +0300 Received: from [109.252.90.4] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 23:11:38 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBL?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mail.Ru Mailer 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [109.252.90.4] Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 23:11:38 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1478463098.355838418@f264.i.mail.ru> Authentication-Results: f264.i.mail.ru; auth=pass smtp.auth=rn3aus@mail.ru smtp.mailfrom=rn3aus@mail.ru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ailru-Sender: D3F6BA37D7F52B4862F080B7C177B6B90D7C38DE8DE9CA483F81DDC41C41D846409410DB660C1E1E X-Mras: OK X-Spam: undefined In-Reply-To: <581F7979.7070901@posteo.de> References: <15836480ce0-1a63-b9bf@webprd-m32.mail.aol.com> <1478456049.979585980@f320.i.mail.ru> <581F7979.7070901@posteo.de> X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?B?UmVbMl06IExGOiBSZVsyXTogTEY6IFJlWzJdOiBMRjogTG9yYW4gYW5kIEFs?= =?UTF-8?B?cGhh?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA6KFroD006295 Content-Length: 4351 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9416 yes Stefan, I tried to accept last summer on VLF very slow modes like QRSS60000 with synchronization from GBZ. This week I will try to prepare the equipment on the second position for VLF-test reception. 73! > Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 21:42 +03:00 от DK7FC : > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks so far. Is there no chance to put a second soundcard to the USB > of the PC so you can run two grabbers? Would the internet connection > allow such a data rate? I think it would be a better solution, and more > challenging! Reaching such a distance is not unrealsitic. Maybe you > could even install a RX loop pointing to NE/SW. > Next, do you know how to set up a spectrogram in SpecLab using > something like 10 uHz FFT bin width and a suitable reference signal? > Leaving a trace on your side is not easy, we may need several attempts, > so it may become to much effort if you have to go the the second > location each time... > > 73, Stefan > > Am 06.11.2016 19:14, schrieb Alex K: Hello > Stefan! > >The computer of the grabber has only one sound card on which the signal > from the LF receiver is given. Therefore in the nearest future I won't > manage to adjust also VLF reception on the grabber. However, I have one > more reception position where there is a VLF receiver (but no internet > :( ). I could try to accept your VLF carrier if I will know the moment > of the beginning of transfer in one-two days that to adjust everything. > > > > > >>Воскресенье, 6 ноября 2016, 21:03 +03:00 от DK7FC : > >> > >>Hi Alex, > >> > >>Do you also run a VLF grabber there? Or would it be possible? > >>One day i would like to try a test on VLF using a carrier and/or > EbNaut. And i think you are the man to ask about that. Is there any > interest? > >> > >>73, Stefan > >> > >>Am 06.11.2016 18:55, schrieb Alex K: Hello > LF, Mike. > >>>On the website of my grabber http://rn3aus.136.su/grabber.html   > it > is possible to see screenshots of the signals decoded at the moment > also. The archive of decodes (Op32Rx software) and opds is also > available. Perhaps, it will be interesting that the grabber is > completely automatic. Computer, receiver, power supply system and > recharge of the accumulator, heating system and control system - all > this is established in an uninhabited lodge (shower cabin) on my > seasonal dacha. In the winter nobody lives in radius of several > kilometers, only the grabber "listens" to air and upload spots and > decodes by the 3G-modem. I can also operate the grabber remotely. So > when you receive decodes from my grabber, imagine the snowy forest and > a small dark and cold lodge where day and night the grabber automatic > machine works... :) > >>>73 de rn3aus/Alex > >>> > >>>>Воскресенье, > 6 ноября 2016, 17:07 +03:00 от "Mike Dennison" : > >>>> > >>>>The good condtions to > Russia were confirmed by Op32 results on > >>>>137kHz. I received R7NT at 1818, 2218 and 0322UTC. My transmissions > >>>>were reported by RA3TGZ (2859km) at 1921UTC and RN3AUS (2420km) at > >>>>2106UTC. 2E0ILY made it to RN3AUS (2523km) at 2149 and UA4WPF > >>>>(3503km) at 2153. > >>>> > >>>>Mike, G3XDV > >>>>============ > >>>>  > >>>>> Yesterday and tonight, Loran stations from the Russian Far-East > chain > >>>>> (GRI 7950) have become visible here: Ussuriisk, Alexandrovsk > >>>>> (Sachalin), and also weakly Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) which is > quite > >>>>> rare. Thus LF conditions over northerly paths seem to be > favourable > >>>>> > >>>>> American eLoran from Wildwood (New Jersey, GRI 8970) has been on > air > >>>>> regularly since Sep 21st. > >>>>> > >>>>> On VLF, the Russian Alpha station Krasnodar has apparently been off > >>>>> air for a couple of months since Sep 12th. So RSDN-20 is running > only > >>>>> "on two legs" (Novosibirsk and El-Ban) and would be unusable for > >>>>> navigation. Does anyone in the group happen to know details about > the > >>>>> outage? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best 73, > >>>>> Markus (DF6NM) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> No virus found in this message. > >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>> Version: 2016.0.7859 / Virus Database: 4664/13358 - Release Date: > >>>>> 11/06/16 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > > > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 21:54:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6KsqL4006372 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 21:54:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3UOj-0006g1-T4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:50:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3UOj-0006fs-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:50:37 +0000 Received: from porthos.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3UOg-0000Pg-Jq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:50:36 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=abelian.org Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abelian.org ; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Reply-To:Subject:Sender:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=VIh47Macxz9fwdXTYHN1d3/dIP5ia5uCx+TUADu9jSM=; b=fOV9PtMP++jSan2bYqwdUKPcaM l6tTe14fIGVkWRIuHZ+4QgHELBPTgeSHE5wB49UH1sHgzAvoTbysrQfAxA9I7l/Ey63UaloVEbqZn qYIOOLvSLLNdEDWKWaWP0eF+7jh7W8PpqpCHD/1Ga9O0+0uoVdUKc23KgKH5XlI2D/PI=; Received: from i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.52.83]:48351 helo=pn.abelian.org) by porthos.netcom.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3UOe-00077R-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:50:32 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pn.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FF24000AE for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:50:31 +0000 (UTC) References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Paul Nicholson Message-ID: <581F9797.9060709@abelian.org> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:50:31 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - porthos.netcom.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - abelian.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: porthos.netcom.co.uk: authenticated_id: catchall@abelian.org X-Authenticated-Sender: porthos.netcom.co.uk: catchall@abelian.org X-Scan-Signature: 739d4fb39bd02fc5a2de5437a39bb056 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9417 Stefan wrote: > f = 6470.00000 Hz > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > Symbol length: 30 s > Characters: 11 > CRC 16 > Coding 16K25A and > A second transmission is running now [5th Nov] > Same message, symbol length, phase orientation > and start time... No decode of either message. I added the two days coherently and that also failed to decode. I tested the processing with simulated signals and that gave the expected 3dB gain. Looked at the cross correlation of the two days but can see nothing. The simulated signals at about Eb/N0 0.0dB are visible on a cross correlation. This will only work if the received phase doesn't change much from one day to another. We may need some luck, some stable weather and ionosphere. To keep the office warm, the computer is trying some range of phase shifts between the two days. -- Paul Nicholson -- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Nov 6 22:11:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=3 Fuz1=3 Fuz2=3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA6LBWsh006393 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Ug3-0006nM-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:31 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3Ug2-0006nD-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:30 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3Ug0-0000VY-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:08:29 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 335E420914 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:08:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tBp885dDnzyyT for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2016 22:08:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <581F9BC8.8010905@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 22:08:24 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154c32c4dba-373a-24653@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com> <573CAF79.9040701@abelian.org> <573CBBF0.4030701@posteo.de> <573E5907.6020107@posteo.de> <573EA094.3040205@abelian.org> <573EF90F.1080201@posteo.de> <573FC4DA.3080107@abelian.org> <5740842D.3030000@posteo.de> <5744FA27.6010703@posteo.de> <57F56531.3060205@posteo.de> <5817DE39.9010506@posteo.de> <5818DDAB.7000804@abelian.org> <5819E3AA.3020906@posteo.de> <581A452F.6060506@abelian.org> <581A4BC6.9030106@abelian.org> <581A541E.9050406@abelian.org> <581A8098.8050909@posteo.de> <581C3027.8050003@abelian.org> <581C8660.1070709@posteo.de> <581C90C7.5030809@abelian.org> <581C95BC.6010602@posteo.de> <581DA8E4.5010701@abelian.org> <581DB9C0.10602@posteo.de> <581DCF2E.5090902@abelian.org> <581F9797.9060709@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <581F9797.9060709@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: VLF: EbNaut transmissions on lower frequencies?, pre-tests: 6.47kHz / ULF coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 1774 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9418 Hi Paul, Thanks for the most ineresting experiments, even if the result is negative sometimes. Well it's not as easy as expected it seems. I did expect that the decode will be no problem with the added signals. Local experiments are not useful since my distance to the tree grabber is just 3.5 km. Anyway it is a real experiment with some path, so maybe i will do some QRP tests anyway. Today the WX wasn't really good here and i've been motivated to continue to work on the large ULF coil. A very big step was done today, variometer is completed and i calculated that i need a 6th stack which must have 8 layers. Now 7 of them are completed! I will finish the winding today! That work took several month, 6 kg of cu wire is used, about 150€ just for the wire. More later... 73, Stefan Am 06.11.2016 21:50, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > Stefan wrote: > > > f = 6470.00000 Hz > > Start time: 03.11.2016 06:00:00 UTC > > Symbol length: 30 s > > Characters: 11 > > CRC 16 > > Coding 16K25A > > and > > > A second transmission is running now [5th Nov] > > Same message, symbol length, phase orientation > > and start time... > > No decode of either message. > > I added the two days coherently and that also failed to > decode. I tested the processing with simulated signals > and that gave the expected 3dB gain. > > Looked at the cross correlation of the two days but can > see nothing. The simulated signals at about Eb/N0 0.0dB > are visible on a cross correlation. > > This will only work if the received phase doesn't change > much from one day to another. We may need some luck, some > stable weather and ionosphere. > > To keep the office warm, the computer is trying some > range of phase shifts between the two days. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Nov 7 16:19:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA7FJdMN012656 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:19:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3lZP-0007ss-0H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:10:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3lZO-0007sj-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:10:46 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3lZL-0004lu-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:10:45 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id f82so124536000wmf.1 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 07:10:43 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=F6Yibt4kjB+7+s53ecJ4cEIBe+RHdTXtZpmF/QlSapE=; b=uvEMYd7GXRUeK//5WHELZVLafx/+JboeBPqPl1qMOsRAR+6KGoOMPNVsc59XVMyLsF wpPGHfHUqPNBN1TdsfldPf7cGUwQSWPrnEjBM9s8d2xsh1vuTgf1oh6E/ynBiS5CVhYM ghmdfzQYKfe9ZPXIf7ZqXppb9ZEiKO+TO0bf/O9yxk9dFVxlnpOTUq3z3dSOUO6JbNXy xZ2KjxHI7XiCi98pc/moyka30RACdeB4SxS/VnN3uwxk6bAuz7NDNeV9xTIYico9f/qn pED7f9hk/Y0Im4bSKd6kJ4DA/QIA7IOokrZHOLsvvZ1VgeUOry/8UR/YhjQHVrjKwSIQ gxHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=F6Yibt4kjB+7+s53ecJ4cEIBe+RHdTXtZpmF/QlSapE=; b=SWQBbPdKhhx4uJd75RRcvUcn8hhadQLdObgwb/MyMkJmL+IXh4fM+n0sRCfILvuS+c n1s9c9wrLQmBzIRA5hMdbzdKHCoTn4qzb1/RdoNGFmdMX19pmJckUPhU9aG0kdog76pB b9YRdv7h6ptwHqyHZ6yVHuDomzM+074b03JlBB97kT7DUUXpJ1pzpx06N1sB/PhaOX6V xqeCtb3NdISMvyfQDRm0kUiWLwrGcUzWfqe8fhQizIW9XH+92OJmLIhc3yNtXoOVTrso l8Ln5OJ0wLLxXz3r/krBUCGB8nUjdG8M6jh9N34OYFiilSEz4UwHycElOeo2GBk29ot4 7yuw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfu0eC9A9FISQi+c+wkQf0MU1KW4n5N+D6Efd+xpTK1MPkmBaRN6dz5xSp7vYaWvQ== X-Received: by 10.28.229.17 with SMTP id c17mr4908438wmh.72.1478531442258; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 07:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([82.98.23.94]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n6sm31533974wjg.30.2016.11.07.07.10.40 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Nov 2016 07:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Rabson Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:10:38 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Scan-Signature: e90dcb17768c7e768f13e0721cc1c0c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: LF: =?utf-8?Q?M0BMU_electromechanical_receiver_=E2=80=93_intellectua?= =?utf-8?Q?l_property_rights?= X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id uA7FJdMN012656 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9419 I am preparing an article for the CREG Journal on SAQ (the VLF station in Sweden) and would like to include details of Jim’s electromechanical receiver. G3YXM (on whose website the material appears) has kindly provided a couple of email addresses to try: james.moritz@btinternet.com and james.moritz@btopenworld.com but these have not produced any response. I have a snail-mail address for Jim but has anyone any other suggestions, please? Given that the material has appeared on G3YXM’s website, it would seem unlikely that Jim would object to my reusing some of it, but as a matter of courtesy I would like to get agreement to this. John F5VLF/G3PAI john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Nov 7 17:48:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA7GmV5p014116 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:48:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3n1W-00084b-W0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:43:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3n1U-00084S-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:43:52 +0000 Received: from nm27-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3n1P-0005DZ-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:43:50 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1478537024; bh=DVMo+SCFePQkzpBAfUxelRIgddTqSBEEq/FDnfrnwS8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=qXXKxcAyxMNggwIsojnJ1yI5eli8HYhAppukK3zZzlVH6UiEXR92d8nD5/hmACbuvRmgHMZvR4nnuFDgFUiIvHMt0ryGESkDjw1Ad3iBYcTHg/gP8fdbKBXAh0BI8o3l4DKCm5Taq8q/xg67il/SI9wctQIj0Uk8a6rdOEtIdGztWkKBAMsbq/4IsnjXkeopt7I/f+ngOJrAaBdG4PCmB8A0wLB+KG+p/SHOwnrtfY0dZrlI8MJMokLPE9wjTOS06i45nuexqjakVIaK2ieqTQX+LO2UhGfCtc3FVTeWXPDwabqAtT0pvpcNe4GFhifbcEyjfFcAn9QgnDvFKDkm5w== Received: from [212.82.98.125] by nm27.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2016 16:43:44 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.75] by tm18.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2016 16:43:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2016 16:43:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 332745.98266.bm@omp1012.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: RAy19lkVM1lbr4TnZyUcZNPa1MOpPEDzE_dRRJ3yOr0QQcRAN8tUvsXYLoNwbw6 A86Wj8fqv4b3FAXjsRidWem8N4XKOlnSGCshO6ZzimE2qCoI92Z4.d6EeUVn6jzcFG.v8wrVq8I9 nWqfh1OzsXC.5ZCqg3hWeHalu9pqRK6GmMhjvKnESzgYZA634xBbgWgX_Kt0ki1HC4FodzvzFRM4 FrrcuTa_5BX76_DOBOkd6lr2WTFwTmGMaKVtriZZnEZPJVDuwXVKzbTCM73tY0SLKnPyh6KykuNf 9uJj._5HQLFE74foe8Ko1IEif_tHvvsi_7XfhETDRqNhSeBZICQ4GReNUTAGlYB_w1axZm9iaqwX S1r1dcKAmUU24Mu51ZjptExWbOnr5Wf63Fw38DP3_3b_T4zedoyhSUymawWKLPAxDbpWniEzoQOx uofocS1jxCHuWz_GsbyRpvNhy5YasF4DhYJRamffUtbbdPz.YuARGuqNYasSrAkRYjpFA6XK0DZL UfYsmxbz01Y68NPGEIs5dDwZYteSXNA-- Received: from jws700050.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:43:43 +0000; 1478537023.956 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <400285107.4049148.1478537023333@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 4f449c45f7b1894a9195a328eedaeb30 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_LF:_M0BMU_electromechanical_rec?= =?UTF-8?Q?eiver_=E2=80=93_intellectual_property_rights?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4049147_44509866.1478537023331" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 5197 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9420 ------=_Part_4049147_44509866.1478537023331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw on YouTube some time ago a working totally mechanical VLF receiver an= d small TX=C2=A0with no valves or transistors, but I cannot recall the exac= t details. I think stepper motors out of computer printers=C2=A0were involv= ed in the TX.=C2=A0David From: John Rabson To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 7 November 2016, 15:10 Subject: LF: M0BMU electromechanical receiver =E2=80=93 intellectual prope= rty rights =20 I am preparing an article for the CREG Journal on SAQ (the VLF station in S= weden) and would like to include details of Jim=E2=80=99s electromechanical= receiver. G3YXM (on whose website the material appears) has kindly provide= d a couple of email addresses to try: james.moritz@btinternet.com and james.moritz@btopenworld.com but these have not produced any response. I have a = snail-mail address for Jim but has anyone any other suggestions, please? Given that the material has appeared on G3YXM=E2=80=99s website, it would s= eem unlikely that Jim would object to my reusing some of it, but as a matte= r of courtesy I would like to get agreement to this. John F5VLF/G3PAI john.rabson07@gmail.com Researching history of RABSON, BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE =20 ------=_Part_4049147_44509866.1478537023331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw on YouTube some time ago a working totally mechanical VL= F receiver and small TX with no valves or transistors, but I cannot re= call the exact details. I think stepper motors out of computer printers&nbs= p;were involved in the TX. David



From: John Rabs= on <john.rabson07@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 7 N= ovember 2016, 15:10
Subject: LF: M0BMU electromechanical receiver =E2=80=93 intellectual property= rights

I am preparing an article for the CREG Journ= al on SAQ (the VLF station in Sweden) and would like to include details of = Jim=E2=80=99s electromechanical receiver. G3YXM (on whose website the mater= ial appears) has kindly provided a couple of email addresses to try: james.moritz@btin= ternet.com <mailto:james.moritz@btinternet.com> and james.moritz@btopenworld.com <mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com> but these have not produced any res= ponse. I have a snail-mail address for Jim but has anyone any other suggest= ions, please?

Given that the material has appeared on G3YXM=E2=80=99= s website, it would seem unlikely that Jim would object to my reusing some = of it, but as a matter of courtesy I would like to get agreement to this.
John F5VLF/G3PAI

john.rabson07@gmail.com

Researching history of RABSON,= BLACKSHAW, GAUNTLETT, VERLANDER and ROBSONNE






------=_Part_4049147_44509866.1478537023331-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Nov 7 21:26:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA7KQD8K019724 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:26:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3qQU-0008Pb-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:21:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3qQL-0008PS-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:21:45 +0000 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3qQ4-00064b-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:21:44 +0000 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E72B20851 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:21:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3tCP3V0K4vz104N for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:21:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5820E245.8010702@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:21:25 +0100 From: DK7FC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <400285107.4049148.1478537023333@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <400285107.4049148.1478537023333@mail.yahoo.com> X-Scan-Signature: 57e0cde493e8693c157b9fc5f4a8c508 Subject: LF: More and more WSPR stns on MF... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000509050505080702080402" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 59141 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9421 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000509050505080702080402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crazy, i've got spots from more than 100 stations within the last 24 hours. Where does this end? :-) 108 spots: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az 2016-11-07 02:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XSH/17 FN42pb 5927 294 2016-11-06 22:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -26 0 JN49ik 1 EB8ARZ IL18uk 3153 231 2016-11-07 02:16 DK7FC 0.475681 -17 0 JN49ik 1 RX3DHR KO94ks 2125 62 2016-11-07 03:06 DK7FC 0.475683 -13 0 JN49ik 1 RN3AGC KO85sv 2055 59 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475682 +4 0 JN49ik 1 SM2BYC KP25ax 2040 20 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475783 -23 0 JN49ik 1 OH6JKN KP22xk 1789 30 2016-11-07 18:00 DK7FC 0.475682 -24 -1 JN49ik 1 UA1ASB KO59ar 1775 42 2016-11-07 03:06 DK7FC 0.475682 +5 0 JN49ik 1 OH3LMN/RX KP11wm 1640 29 2016-11-07 02:06 DK7FC 0.475682 -13 0 JN49ik 1 OH3NE KP11ul 1631 29 2016-11-07 19:40 DK7FC 0.475683 -5 0 JN49ik 1 SV8RV KM07ks 1621 139 2016-11-07 20:00 DK7FC 0.475682 -1 0 JN49ik 1 SV8CS KM07js 1617 139 2016-11-07 19:40 DK7FC 0.475685 -4 0 JN49ik 1 9H1GB JM75fu 1581 161 2016-11-06 22:16 DK7FC 0.475683 +5 0 JN49ik 1 9H1ES JM75fv 1576 161 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475691 -12 0 JN49ik 1 9H1CG JM75fw 1572 161 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475683 -1 0 JN49ik 1 LA9IY JP53 1567 4 2016-11-07 18:40 DK7FC 0.475683 +2 0 JN49ik 1 LA1TN JP33sa 1512 358 2016-11-07 18:00 DK7FC 0.475681 -12 0 JN49ik 1 EA5DOM-1 IM98xn 1395 213 2016-11-07 01:56 DK7FC 0.475683 -15 0 JN49ik 1 LZ1UBO KN12wv 1372 116 2016-11-07 17:50 DK7FC 0.475682 -24 0 JN49ik 1 EA1FAQ IN71pn 1360 235 2016-11-07 20:00 DK7FC 0.475679 -20 0 JN49ik 1 EA5TT IM99sl 1323 217 2016-11-07 01:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -1 0 JN49ik 1 IZ7SLZ JN80nu 1159 142 2016-11-07 06:16 DK7FC 0.475682 -15 0 JN49ik 1 LA8AV JO59cs 1153 4 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475682 -24 1 JN49ik 1 EA2BCJ IN91mp 1146 225 2016-11-07 18:20 DK7FC 0.475682 -3 0 JN49ik 1 LA6LU JO59eq 1145 5 2016-11-06 21:16 DK7FC 0.475682 -6 0 JN49ik 1 EC2AGL IN91mq 1142 225 2016-11-06 22:26 DK7FC 0.475683 -19 0 JN49ik 1 YU1XX KN04ft 1025 116 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475684 -13 0 JN49ik 1 SA6BSS/RX JO68sc 1014 16 2016-11-07 01:56 DK7FC 0.475682 +1 0 JN49ik 1 LA3EQ JO28xj 1012 351 2016-11-07 16:50 DK7FC 0.475681 +4 0 JN49ik 1 G0LUJ/1 IO83ls 942 305 2016-11-07 16:00 DK7FC 0.475682 -13 0 JN49ik 1 G3XKR IO70ux 940 285 2016-11-07 17:40 DK7FC 0.475682 -4 0 JN49ik 1 SP5XSB KO02ld 911 66 2016-11-07 17:20 DK7FC 0.475684 -14 0 JN49ik 1 G3WCB IO80ei 888 281 2016-11-07 02:56 DK7FC 0.475682 +3 0 JN49ik 1 HA7LC KN07bc 883 103 2016-11-07 17:50 DK7FC 0.475682 -16 0 JN49ik 1 G4CPD IO94hc 865 311 2016-11-07 02:16 DK7FC 0.475682 -9 0 JN49ik 1 G4MSN IO93fu 860 309 2016-11-07 01:56 DK7FC 0.475683 +13 0 JN49ik 1 G8HUH IO81mg 851 288 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475683 +5 0 JN49ik 1 M0PPP IO93gm 837 307 2016-11-07 19:40 DK7FC 0.475682 -16 0 JN49ik 1 G4FRE IO82uc 827 295 2016-11-07 18:50 DK7FC 0.475682 -18 0 JN49ik 1 G4RGH IO93ik 822 307 2016-11-07 00:36 DK7FC 0.475682 +4 0 JN49ik 1 F6GEX IN97na 758 253 2016-11-07 20:10 DK7FC 0.475682 +4 0 JN49ik 1 M0XDK IO92ne 739 298 2016-11-07 18:20 DK7FC 0.475683 -28 0 JN49ik 1 I55387FI JN52hx 733 168 2016-11-06 20:56 DK7FC 0.475682 +7 0 JN49ik 1 IZ3ATX/P JN85fp 718 123 2016-11-07 00:16 DK7FC 0.475682 +10 0 JN49ik 1 G4FTC IO91pi 700 291 2016-11-07 18:00 DK7FC 0.475682 -22 0 JN49ik 1 G7NKS IO92ub 697 298 2016-11-07 02:16 DK7FC 0.475687 +12 0 JN49ik 1 G8LCO IO91vu 683 297 2016-11-07 17:30 DK7FC 0.475684 -7 0 JN49ik 1 F1AFJ JN06ht 667 247 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475681 -15 0 JN49ik 1 G7UVW JO01bn 651 295 2016-11-07 01:56 DK7FC 0.475682 +2 0 JN49ik 1 OE3GBB JN87 646 107 2016-11-07 00:16 DK7FC 0.475682 +12 0 JN49ik 1 G6AVK JO01ho 620 296 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475682 -13 0 JN49ik 1 OE3BUB JN88fg 581 100 2016-11-07 18:20 DK7FC 0.475681 +4 0 JN49ik 1 F59706 JN07th 574 248 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475682 +7 0 JN49ik 1 IW4DXW JN64bw 563 151 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475681 +16 0 JN49ik 1 DK6XY JO53jv 516 15 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475686 -6 0 JN49ik 1 IU1GLI JN34pv 516 192 2016-11-06 20:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +18 0 JN49ik 1 DG3LV JO53gv 512 14 2016-11-07 20:00 DK7FC 0.475650 -4 0 JN49ik 1 F5NFB JN18do 477 261 2016-11-06 22:06 DK7FC 0.475682 +7 0 JN49ik 1 F4DTL/2 JN18fp 464 261 2016-11-07 18:00 DK7FC 0.475683 -6 0 JN49ik 1 DF1VB/2 JO33pl 460 348 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475682 +5 0 JN49ik 1 PA3BHT JO33li 452 345 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475685 +10 0 JN49ik 1 IK1HGI JN45jj 449 179 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475682 +8 0 JN49ik 1 PA0A JO33de 449 339 2016-11-06 20:56 DK7FC 0.475682 -9 0 JN49ik 1 IZ1SBX JN45hk 445 181 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475786 -26 -1 JN49ik 1 PA7EY JO22jj 428 322 2016-11-07 19:20 DK7FC 0.475685 0 0 JN49ik 1 ON5LT JO10nu 428 294 2016-11-07 00:16 DK7FC 0.475684 +13 0 JN49ik 1 PA0RDT JO11tm 428 305 2016-11-07 20:10 DK7FC 0.475683 +16 0 JN49ik 1 IW2OHP JN45lq 417 177 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475689 +2 0 JN49ik 1 IW2MVI JN45mt 404 176 2016-11-07 02:56 DK7FC 0.475682 +10 0 JN49ik 1 DL0HT JO43jb 403 1 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475625 +5 0 JN49ik 1 HB9PNI JN45lv 394 177 2016-11-07 17:50 DK7FC 0.475682 +6 0 JN49ik 1 F6CNI JN19qb 389 266 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475684 -3 0 JN49ik 1 ON5VW JO10vv 386 297 2016-11-07 16:40 DK7FC 0.475681 +15 0 JN49ik 1 PA3ABK/2 JO21it 386 315 2016-11-07 02:16 DK7FC 0.475682 +3 0 JN49ik 1 ON4CDJ JO11xc 385 301 2016-11-07 17:40 DK7FC 0.475784 -28 0 JN49ik 1 DL-SWL JO52hp 381 20 2016-11-07 02:16 DK7FC 0.475685 -1 0 JN49ik 1 DL1HI JO52ho 377 20 2016-11-07 17:50 DK7FC 0.475682 -2 0 JN49ik 1 DK2CH JO52 373 24 2016-11-07 18:00 DK7FC 0.475681 +3 0 JN49ik 1 PA0LPN JO21ux 353 324 2016-11-07 17:40 DK7FC 0.475678 +18 0 JN49ik 1 DH5RAE JN68qv 345 98 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475678 +4 0 JN49ik 1 HAN JO21ww 342 325 2016-11-07 16:20 DK7FC 0.475682 +8 0 JN49ik 1 PI4THT JO32kf 336 338 2016-11-07 18:50 DK7FC 0.475682 +22 0 JN49ik 1 DJ0ABR JN68nt 329 101 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475782 -22 0 JN49ik 1 DL4RAJ JN68kj 326 109 2016-11-07 16:30 DK7FC 0.475698 -9 0 JN49ik 1 DL3JMM JO60it 323 60 2016-11-07 05:46 DK7FC 0.475682 +8 0 JN49ik 1 DF6MK JN68ik 313 109 2016-11-07 00:16 DK7FC 0.475690 +8 0 JN49ik 1 ON5TA JO20 292 295 2016-11-07 06:26 DK7FC 0.475680 -11 0 JN49ik 1 DL6OW-R JO31kk 257 330 2016-11-07 01:36 DK7FC 0.475682 +6 0 JN49ik 1 DF2JP JO31hh 256 325 2016-11-07 16:50 DK7FC 0.475682 +9 0 JN49ik 1 DC5AL-R JO31lk 255 332 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475682 +21 0 JN49ik 1 DL4MAU JN58vj 253 116 2016-11-07 20:00 DK7FC 0.475686 -7 1 JN49ik 1 DL8YCA JO31pl 248 337 2016-11-07 01:56 DK7FC 0.475682 -11 0 JN49ik 1 DG9BEW JO31rm 248 340 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.471482 -2 0 JN49ik 1 DG7RJ JN58th 247 119 2016-11-07 20:10 DK7FC 0.475676 -14 -1 JN49ik 1 DL5AKF JO50mx 239 43 2016-11-06 20:16 DK7FC 0.475682 0 0 JN49ik 1 DL2IC JO30br 234 309 2016-11-07 03:46 DK7FC 0.475682 -1 0 JN49ik 1 DK8FT JN58oe 230 126 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475682 -15 0 JN49ik 1 F/PE3ES JN28uw 225 257 2016-11-07 20:10 DK7FC 0.475682 +10 0 JN49ik 1 HB9LFT JN47cl 221 190 2016-11-06 20:26 DK7FC 0.475682 +8 0 JN49ik 1 DL6RCN JN58kg 205 128 2016-11-07 05:36 DK7FC 0.475682 -1 0 JN49ik 1 DL3KAV JO30mr 186 321 2016-11-07 19:40 DK7FC 0.475677 +3 0 JN49ik 1 F4KJI JN38un 122 217 2016-11-07 19:10 DK7FC 0.475682 -10 0 JN49ik 1 DJ7KA JN48mm 105 166 2016-11-07 16:50 DK7FC 0.475682 +11 0 JN49ik 1 DF5FF JO40kd 80 9 2016-11-07 01:36 DK7FC 0.475707 +12 0 JN49ik 1 DF4PV JN49ax 77 322 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475683 +10 0 JN49ik 1 DK2DB JN48fw 58 198 2016-11-07 01:06 DK7FC 0.475788 -16 0 JN49ik 1 DK6UG JN49cm 37 285 2016-11-07 17:40 DK7FC 0.475751 -20 0 JN49ik 1 DF3WG JN49ep 33 314 2016-11-07 19:30 DK7FC 0.475683 +40 0 JN49ik 1 DK7FC/P JN49ik 0 0 --------------000509050505080702080402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Crazy, i've got spots from more than 100 stations within the last 24 hours. Where does this end? :-)

108 spots:

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2016-11-07 02:46   DK7FC   0.475682   -26   0   JN49ik   1   WD2XSH/17   FN42pb   5927   294 
 2016-11-06 22:46   DK7FC   0.475682   -26   0   JN49ik   1   EB8ARZ   IL18uk   3153   231 
 2016-11-07 02:16   DK7FC   0.475681   -17   0   JN49ik   1   RX3DHR   KO94ks   2125   62 
 2016-11-07 03:06   DK7FC   0.475683   -13   0   JN49ik   1   RN3AGC   KO85sv   2055   59 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475682   +4   0   JN49ik   1   SM2BYC   KP25ax   2040   20 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475783   -23   0   JN49ik   1   OH6JKN   KP22xk   1789   30 
 2016-11-07 18:00   DK7FC   0.475682   -24   -1   JN49ik   1   UA1ASB   KO59ar   1775   42 
 2016-11-07 03:06   DK7FC   0.475682   +5   0   JN49ik   1   OH3LMN/RX   KP11wm   1640   29 
 2016-11-07 02:06   DK7FC   0.475682   -13   0   JN49ik   1   OH3NE   KP11ul   1631   29 
 2016-11-07 19:40   DK7FC   0.475683   -5   0   JN49ik   1   SV8RV   KM07ks   1621   139 
 2016-11-07 20:00   DK7FC   0.475682   -1   0   JN49ik   1   SV8CS   KM07js   1617   139 
 2016-11-07 19:40   DK7FC   0.475685   -4   0   JN49ik   1   9H1GB   JM75fu   1581   161 
 2016-11-06 22:16   DK7FC   0.475683   +5   0   JN49ik   1   9H1ES   JM75fv   1576   161 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475691   -12   0   JN49ik   1   9H1CG   JM75fw   1572   161 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475683   -1   0   JN49ik   1   LA9IY   JP53   1567   4 
 2016-11-07 18:40   DK7FC   0.475683   +2   0   JN49ik   1   LA1TN   JP33sa   1512   358 
 2016-11-07 18:00   DK7FC   0.475681   -12   0   JN49ik   1   EA5DOM-1   IM98xn   1395   213 
 2016-11-07 01:56   DK7FC   0.475683   -15   0   JN49ik   1   LZ1UBO   KN12wv   1372   116 
 2016-11-07 17:50   DK7FC   0.475682   -24   0   JN49ik   1   EA1FAQ   IN71pn   1360   235 
 2016-11-07 20:00   DK7FC   0.475679   -20   0   JN49ik   1   EA5TT   IM99sl   1323   217 
 2016-11-07 01:46   DK7FC   0.475682   -1   0   JN49ik   1   IZ7SLZ   JN80nu   1159   142 
 2016-11-07 06:16   DK7FC   0.475682   -15   0   JN49ik   1   LA8AV   JO59cs   1153   4 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475682   -24   1   JN49ik   1   EA2BCJ   IN91mp   1146   225 
 2016-11-07 18:20   DK7FC   0.475682   -3   0   JN49ik   1   LA6LU   JO59eq   1145   5 
 2016-11-06 21:16   DK7FC   0.475682   -6   0   JN49ik   1   EC2AGL   IN91mq   1142   225 
 2016-11-06 22:26   DK7FC   0.475683   -19   0   JN49ik   1   YU1XX   KN04ft   1025   116 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475684   -13   0   JN49ik   1   SA6BSS/RX   JO68sc   1014   16 
 2016-11-07 01:56   DK7FC   0.475682   +1   0   JN49ik   1   LA3EQ   JO28xj   1012   351 
 2016-11-07 16:50   DK7FC   0.475681   +4   0   JN49ik   1   G0LUJ/1   IO83ls   942   305 
 2016-11-07 16:00   DK7FC   0.475682   -13   0   JN49ik   1   G3XKR   IO70ux   940   285 
 2016-11-07 17:40   DK7FC   0.475682   -4   0   JN49ik   1   SP5XSB   KO02ld   911   66 
 2016-11-07 17:20   DK7FC   0.475684   -14   0   JN49ik   1   G3WCB   IO80ei   888   281 
 2016-11-07 02:56   DK7FC   0.475682   +3   0   JN49ik   1   HA7LC   KN07bc   883   103 
 2016-11-07 17:50   DK7FC   0.475682   -16   0   JN49ik   1   G4CPD   IO94hc   865   311 
 2016-11-07 02:16   DK7FC   0.475682   -9   0   JN49ik   1   G4MSN   IO93fu   860   309 
 2016-11-07 01:56   DK7FC   0.475683   +13   0   JN49ik   1   G8HUH   IO81mg   851   288 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475683   +5   0   JN49ik   1   M0PPP   IO93gm   837   307 
 2016-11-07 19:40   DK7FC   0.475682   -16   0   JN49ik   1   G4FRE   IO82uc   827   295 
 2016-11-07 18:50   DK7FC   0.475682   -18   0   JN49ik   1   G4RGH   IO93ik   822   307 
 2016-11-07 00:36   DK7FC   0.475682   +4   0   JN49ik   1   F6GEX   IN97na   758   253 
 2016-11-07 20:10   DK7FC   0.475682   +4   0   JN49ik   1   M0XDK   IO92ne   739   298 
 2016-11-07 18:20   DK7FC   0.475683   -28   0   JN49ik   1   I55387FI   JN52hx   733   168 
 2016-11-06 20:56   DK7FC   0.475682   +7   0   JN49ik   1   IZ3ATX/P   JN85fp   718   123 
 2016-11-07 00:16   DK7FC   0.475682   +10   0   JN49ik   1   G4FTC   IO91pi   700   291 
 2016-11-07 18:00   DK7FC   0.475682   -22   0   JN49ik   1   G7NKS   IO92ub   697   298 
 2016-11-07 02:16   DK7FC   0.475687   +12   0   JN49ik   1   G8LCO   IO91vu   683   297 
 2016-11-07 17:30   DK7FC   0.475684   -7   0   JN49ik   1   F1AFJ   JN06ht   667   247 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475681   -15   0   JN49ik   1   G7UVW   JO01bn   651   295 
 2016-11-07 01:56   DK7FC   0.475682   +2   0   JN49ik   1   OE3GBB   JN87   646   107 
 2016-11-07 00:16   DK7FC   0.475682   +12   0   JN49ik   1   G6AVK   JO01ho   620   296 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475682   -13   0   JN49ik   1   OE3BUB   JN88fg   581   100 
 2016-11-07 18:20   DK7FC   0.475681   +4   0   JN49ik   1   F59706   JN07th   574   248 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475682   +7   0   JN49ik   1   IW4DXW   JN64bw   563   151 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475681   +16   0   JN49ik   1   DK6XY   JO53jv   516   15 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475686   -6   0   JN49ik   1   IU1GLI   JN34pv   516   192 
 2016-11-06 20:46   DK7FC   0.475682   +18   0   JN49ik   1   DG3LV   JO53gv   512   14 
 2016-11-07 20:00   DK7FC   0.475650   -4   0   JN49ik   1   F5NFB   JN18do   477   261 
 2016-11-06 22:06   DK7FC   0.475682   +7   0   JN49ik   1   F4DTL/2   JN18fp   464   261 
 2016-11-07 18:00   DK7FC   0.475683   -6   0   JN49ik   1   DF1VB/2   JO33pl   460   348 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475682   +5   0   JN49ik   1   PA3BHT   JO33li   452   345 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475685   +10   0   JN49ik   1   IK1HGI   JN45jj   449   179 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475682   +8   0   JN49ik   1   PA0A   JO33de   449   339 
 2016-11-06 20:56   DK7FC   0.475682   -9   0   JN49ik   1   IZ1SBX   JN45hk   445   181 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475786   -26   -1   JN49ik   1   PA7EY   JO22jj   428   322 
 2016-11-07 19:20   DK7FC   0.475685   0   0   JN49ik   1   ON5LT   JO10nu   428   294 
 2016-11-07 00:16   DK7FC   0.475684   +13   0   JN49ik   1   PA0RDT   JO11tm   428   305 
 2016-11-07 20:10   DK7FC   0.475683   +16   0   JN49ik   1   IW2OHP   JN45lq   417   177 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475689   +2   0   JN49ik   1   IW2MVI   JN45mt   404   176 
 2016-11-07 02:56   DK7FC   0.475682   +10   0   JN49ik   1   DL0HT   JO43jb   403   1 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475625   +5   0   JN49ik   1   HB9PNI   JN45lv   394   177 
 2016-11-07 17:50   DK7FC   0.475682   +6   0   JN49ik   1   F6CNI   JN19qb   389   266 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475684   -3   0   JN49ik   1   ON5VW   JO10vv   386   297 
 2016-11-07 16:40   DK7FC   0.475681   +15   0   JN49ik   1   PA3ABK/2   JO21it   386   315 
 2016-11-07 02:16   DK7FC   0.475682   +3   0   JN49ik   1   ON4CDJ   JO11xc   385   301 
 2016-11-07 17:40   DK7FC   0.475784   -28   0   JN49ik   1   DL-SWL   JO52hp   381   20 
 2016-11-07 02:16   DK7FC   0.475685   -1   0   JN49ik   1   DL1HI   JO52ho   377   20 
 2016-11-07 17:50   DK7FC   0.475682   -2   0   JN49ik   1   DK2CH   JO52   373   24 
 2016-11-07 18:00   DK7FC   0.475681   +3   0   JN49ik   1   PA0LPN   JO21ux   353   324 
 2016-11-07 17:40   DK7FC   0.475678   +18   0   JN49ik   1   DH5RAE   JN68qv   345   98 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475678   +4   0   JN49ik   1   HAN   JO21ww   342   325 
 2016-11-07 16:20   DK7FC   0.475682   +8   0   JN49ik   1   PI4THT   JO32kf   336   338 
 2016-11-07 18:50   DK7FC   0.475682   +22   0   JN49ik   1   DJ0ABR   JN68nt   329   101 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475782   -22   0   JN49ik   1   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   326   109 
 2016-11-07 16:30   DK7FC   0.475698   -9   0   JN49ik   1   DL3JMM   JO60it   323   60 
 2016-11-07 05:46   DK7FC   0.475682   +8   0   JN49ik   1   DF6MK   JN68ik   313   109 
 2016-11-07 00:16   DK7FC   0.475690   +8   0   JN49ik   1   ON5TA   JO20   292   295 
 2016-11-07 06:26   DK7FC   0.475680   -11   0   JN49ik   1   DL6OW-R   JO31kk   257   330 
 2016-11-07 01:36   DK7FC   0.475682   +6   0   JN49ik   1   DF2JP   JO31hh   256   325 
 2016-11-07 16:50   DK7FC   0.475682   +9   0   JN49ik   1   DC5AL-R   JO31lk   255   332 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475682   +21   0   JN49ik   1   DL4MAU   JN58vj   253   116 
 2016-11-07 20:00   DK7FC   0.475686   -7   1   JN49ik   1   DL8YCA   JO31pl   248   337 
 2016-11-07 01:56   DK7FC   0.475682   -11   0   JN49ik   1   DG9BEW   JO31rm   248   340 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.471482   -2   0   JN49ik   1   DG7RJ   JN58th   247   119 
 2016-11-07 20:10   DK7FC   0.475676   -14   -1   JN49ik   1   DL5AKF   JO50mx   239   43 
 2016-11-06 20:16   DK7FC   0.475682   0   0   JN49ik   1   DL2IC   JO30br   234   309 
 2016-11-07 03:46   DK7FC   0.475682   -1   0   JN49ik   1   DK8FT   JN58oe   230   126 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475682   -15   0   JN49ik   1   F/PE3ES   JN28uw   225   257 
 2016-11-07 20:10   DK7FC   0.475682   +10   0   JN49ik   1   HB9LFT   JN47cl   221   190 
 2016-11-06 20:26   DK7FC   0.475682   +8   0   JN49ik   1   DL6RCN   JN58kg   205   128 
 2016-11-07 05:36   DK7FC   0.475682   -1   0   JN49ik   1   DL3KAV   JO30mr   186   321 
 2016-11-07 19:40   DK7FC   0.475677   +3   0   JN49ik   1   F4KJI   JN38un   122   217 
 2016-11-07 19:10   DK7FC   0.475682   -10   0   JN49ik   1   DJ7KA   JN48mm   105   166 
 2016-11-07 16:50   DK7FC   0.475682   +11   0   JN49ik   1   DF5FF   JO40kd   80   9 
 2016-11-07 01:36   DK7FC   0.475707   +12   0   JN49ik   1   DF4PV   JN49ax   77   322 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475683   +10   0   JN49ik   1   DK2DB   JN48fw   58   198 
 2016-11-07 01:06   DK7FC   0.475788   -16   0   JN49ik   1   DK6UG   JN49cm   37   285 
 2016-11-07 17:40   DK7FC   0.475751   -20   0   JN49ik   1   DF3WG   JN49ep   33   314 
 2016-11-07 19:30   DK7FC   0.475683   +40   0   JN49ik   1   DK7FC/P   JN49ik   0   0 
--------------000509050505080702080402-- From owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mon Nov 7 23:06:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE,HTML_90_100,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA7M6YHg019953 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2016 23:06:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c3rzb-0000BV-3c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:02:15 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c3rzN-0000BL-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:02:01 +0000 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rzL-0006Sg-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:02:00 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.38]) by mwinf5d04 with ME id 5A1t1u00A0pcJ5K03A1tdw; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 23:01:57 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 23:01:57 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.38 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: Cc: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:58:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161107-1, 07/11/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: VO1NA DL-SWL 2200m OPERA 4412 km 05:00:00 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01D23942.13F69E80"; type="multipart/alternative" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 202672 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9422 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01D23942.13F69E80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0015_01D23942.13F69E80" ------=_NextPart_001_0015_01D23942.13F69E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good signal levels from VO1NA last night , peaking at -28 dB with = DL-SWL at 02:00 2016-11-07 02:00:00 VO1NA AA DL-SWL JO52HP 0 136 = -28 Op32_||||||||||||||||||||_~28dB 73-G, Q Any Dynamic spots ? VO1NA DL-SWL 2200m OPERA 4412 km 05:00:00 VO1NA PA7EY 2200m OPERA 4044 km 08:45:51 VO1NA G3XDV 2200m OPERA 3730 km 07:00:01 G3XDV RN3AUS 2200m OPERA 2420 km 20:40:41 RN3AGC PA7EY 2200m OPERA 2147 km 21:35:03 RK2Y PA7EY 2200m OPERA 1969 km 21:19:02 G3XDV EW6BN/6 2200m OPERA 1939 km 20:40:37 G3XDV EW6BN 2200m OPERA 1939 km 20:40:41 G3XDV SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1781 km 20:40:36 RK2Y SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1431 km 21:19:01 RN3AGC SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1310 km 21:35:01 SO5AS SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1302 km 22:38:48 G3XDV DL-SWL 2200m OPERA 742 km 20:40:36 RN3AGC EW6BN 2200m OPERA 550 km 21:35:06 RK2Y EW6BN 2200m OPERA 432 km 21:19:05 RK2Y EW6BN/6 2200m OPERA 432 km 21:19:03 G3XDV PA7EY 2200m OPERA 347 km 20:40:36 RK2Y RN3AUS 2200m OPERA 290 km 21:19:15 RN3AGC RN3AUS 2200m OPERA 77 km 21:35:27 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------=_NextPart_001_0015_01D23942.13F69E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Good signal  levels  from  VO1NA  last night = , peaking  at  -28 dB  with  DL-SWL   at  = 02:00
 
2016-11-07 02:00:00     VO1NA     AA     DL-SWL     JO52HP 0     136     -28     Op32_||||||||||||||||||||_~28dB
 
73-G,
 
 
 
Q Any Dynamic  spots ?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
VO1NA DL-SWL 2200m OPERA 4412 km 05:00:00
VO1NA PA7EY 2200m OPERA 4044 km 08:45:51
VO1NA G3XDV 2200m OPERA 3730 km 07:00:01
G3XDV RN3AUS 2200m OPERA 2420 km 20:40:41
RN3AGC PA7EY 2200m OPERA 2147 km 21:35:03
RK2Y PA7EY 2200m OPERA 1969 km 21:19:02
G3XDV EW6BN/6 2200m OPERA 1939 km 20:40:37
G3XDV EW6BN 2200m OPERA 1939 km 20:40:41
G3XDV SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1781 km 20:40:36
RK2Y SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1431 km 21:19:01
RN3AGC SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1310 km 21:35:01
SO5AS SM2DJK 2200m OPERA 1302 km 22:38:48
G3XDV DL-SWL 2200m OPERA 742 km 20:40:36
RN3AGC EW6BN 2200m OPERA 550 km 21:35:06
RK2Y EW6BN